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I was cold and I had to keep going

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one step at a time.

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That is survival.

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You have to go forward

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one step at a time.

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I told myself,

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"They think I'm alive."

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"If they think I'm alive,

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I can't let them down."

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"So I have to keep going."

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With animals I didn't need any words.

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We were near each other

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in silence

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and understood without words.

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In 2005,

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I was planning on creating

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as a professor of psychology

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a project on

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the story of this young child

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who experienced all these adventures.

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The project

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became a huge,

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magnificent exhibition.

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{\an8}Then we have the idea

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{\an8}to try and bring her to Belgium.

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We watched her get out of the train.

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It was a fascinating sight.

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She was dressed in blue…

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like a shining canary

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with all its colours…

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with two,

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no, three big suitcases!

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She came towards me

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all radiant and beaming.

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Right away, she exhibits

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a very dynamic character,

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very welcoming and very generous.

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When Misha entered the exhibition,

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she collapsed.

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I was not warned of this,

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so when I visited the exhibition,

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I burst into tears

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because it touched me very deeply.

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{\an8}She was so delighted to be there.

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{\an8}But on the other hand,

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we saw the sadness come out

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and the tears, the tears, the tears.

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It was very emotional.

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We were all really traumatised
by her story

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and we all wanted to give

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a bit of joy to this woman

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by showing our creativity

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and our courage, too,

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to show what we felt.

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I missed my parents terribly.

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My face was covered in mud.

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I screamed…

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some nights, from the cold.

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Later on,

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I got a second chance.

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I survived because

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I trusted no one.

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Because I avoided

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contact with humans.

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Misha's story

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had a snowball effect.

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Already millions of books

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had been sold.

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And thereafter,

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we had to work

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to prepare the conferences

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and get her to them.

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So, we were always together.

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At that time, she would often

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come back to our home.

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She would eat with us.

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She was like a member of the family.

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We had dozens of events.

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Of course, we took her to them.

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She was always welcomed

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by the organisers

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and always with a lot

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of kindness and friendliness.

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Everyone left the conferences

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dazzled by this character.

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We are going to talk

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about this strange and wonderful story.

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Misha Defonseca is with us. Hello.

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Hello.

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Thank you for coming to see us
to tell us about this story.

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Misha Defonseca
is a witness of the Holocaust.

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Hello.

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You have to go through all the tragedy

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and all the horrors.

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It's very painful.

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I have known hatred

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and I have known the rage to kill

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because it's my life or his.

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Personally…

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I live it every day.

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I think about my parents
every day, and for me,

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the Holocaust is every day.

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The memory stays with you every day.

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Could you pass me
a bottle of water, please?

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There it is,

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the trailer of Véra Belmont's film.

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It's very touching to see you both here,

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the real person and little Mathilde.

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You seem very emotional.

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It's as if you are reliving this story

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every time you see the film?

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That's right. It's very difficult.

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Do you recognise yourself

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in Mathilde's acting?

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Absolutely, absolutely.

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It's very well expressed.

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She plays magnificently.

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She conveys the emotions very well.

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It was the thought of my mother
that kept me going.

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There is a scene in the film

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which to me is extraordinary.

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The one where she falls

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out of the train

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and she says…

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Cinema, with a beautiful film

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inspired by a true story.

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You're great.

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You're a great actress.

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This story is very, very moving.

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An incredible story

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and yet a true story.

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Cut! Excellent.

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A book, then a film,

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supposedly an autobiography,

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but everything was false.

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It was an incredible story,

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the story of a young Shoah survivor.

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<i>Surviving with Wolves,</i>

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the bestseller that inspired the film

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released last month…

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is not a true story.

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Everything is false.

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It was a big scam.

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But the beautiful story
was entirely false.

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In Belgium, her country of origin,

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historians have discovered Misha Defonseca

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is actually Monique de Wael.

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There was a sort of anger that rose in me

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{\an8}which never left me.

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The students who took part in the project,

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the day I entered the class,

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there was a state of revolt.

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You have to imagine a pack in revolt.

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Rants, tears, cries.

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They were standing up
on the benches.

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I was no longer in control,

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and I usually contained my students
very well.

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I contacted Misha straight away.

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I wanted to be honest
and authentic with her.

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But she said, "Don't worry."

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"It must be the doing

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of the publisher in America."

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Every journalist dreams of a scoop.

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{\an8}The question for me was,

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{\an8}if her story is false,

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then what is her real story?

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What I simply did

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was go through the Brussels phone book

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where there are approximately

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400 de Waels.

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So I started to call them

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one after the other.

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And at the 44th or 43rd name,

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I stumbled across a woman called

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Emma de Wael.

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My meeting with Emma, Misha's aunt,

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was extraordinary.

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She didn't go off
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Good God, no.

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{\an8}She stayed with
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Emma told me

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her niece had always been delusional,

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that she would create

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imaginary worlds for herself.

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I went and fetched her regularly

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with the number 56 tram to Anderlecht

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and brought her to Schaerbeek.

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In the evenings, I took her back

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to Uncle Ernest.

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Emma de Wael

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told me the truth

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about what happened during the war.

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What happened to Robert de Wael,

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Misha Defonseca's father.

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Robert de Wael worked
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{\an8}He was really very patriotic

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{\an8}and very engaged in his role
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I met Jean-Philippe Tondeur by chance

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but he had a lot of documentation

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on Misha Defonseca's father.

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So I went to consult

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Robert de Wael's file.

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On 10th of May, 1940,
the Germans invade Belgium.

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They crush the Belgian army

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during an 18-day campaign.

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The king surrenders

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and Belgium is occupied.

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Robert de Wael

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joins the resistance…

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and begins to recruit
resistance fighters.

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As a resistance fighter,

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Robert de Wael…

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was involved in gathering weapons…

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activating intelligence networks

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and transmitting intelligence

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to the Belgian government

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which had gone to London.

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Unfortunately, Robert de Wael
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about his activities for the resistance.

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He had a loose tongue.

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He was proud of what he was doing.

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Because I knew he had

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secret documents.

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He even showed them to us at home.

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My father told him to be careful,

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that he was becoming careless.

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He risked arrest.

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He was denounced by

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a Nazi collaborator

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and was quickly arrested.

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Robert de Wael, his wife

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and 41 arrested resistance fighters

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are deported to Germany…

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and sent to the Brauweiler Prison
in Cologne.

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The Cologne prison
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He is interrogated by the Gestapo.

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He starts to scream.

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Robert de Wael cracks.

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Robert de Wael made a deal

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in the Cologne prison.

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This deal involved him handing over

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the names
of his fellow resistance fighters

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in exchange for

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his wife being protected

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and to once again see his daughter,

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Misha Defonseca.

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In August 1942,

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after betraying his fellow officers,

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as the Germans had demanded of him,

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Robert de Wael got one last opportunity

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to see his daughter.

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And that would be

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the end

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for Robert de Wael

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who was later deported.

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Robert and his wife Germaine

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would both die in the German camps.

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We called her "The Traitor's Daughter."

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Because it was said that her father

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sided with the Germans.

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The municipality of Schaerbeek

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would engrave a plaque

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in the name of the resistance fighters

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who died during the war.

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Robert de Wael,

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whose name was listed last…

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was later erased.

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On 22nd of February 2008,

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once things were very clear,

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we published Robert de Wael's whole story,

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the betrayal,

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the falseness
of Misha Defonseca's account.

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And in the hours that followed,

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a statement was issued.

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This is Misha Defonseca's statement.

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"They called me 'The Traitor's Daughter'

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because my father was

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suspected of having

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spoken under torture."

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"This book,

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this story,

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is mine."

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"It is not the actual reality,

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but it was my reality…

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my way of surviving."

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"I ask forgiveness."

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"All I ever wanted

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was to exorcise my suffering."

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I felt so rejected,

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but I could not explain it to myself,

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neither to my grandmother
or my grandfather.

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I am not the girl I thought,

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but there are times…

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when I still hesitate.

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I say to myself,

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"Did I or didn't I experience it?"

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I have to think.

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Particularly with animals.

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Particularly with animals.

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I can still see myself

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rolling on the ground

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with wolves.

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Have you seen my lovely wolves?

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They will always be

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my wolves.

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I will be always at their side.

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Even if I know the truth now.

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I am at their side.

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I got into a bubble,

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a world of my own.

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And this world of mine
was filled with animals.

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Animals that defended me

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against humans.

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You killed a human being with a knife?

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Because I saw the rape

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of a little girl.

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I have enough distance

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to take a more analytical look

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at Misha's character.

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When I saw that, I jumped

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because he turned and came towards me.

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At that moment,
I only thought about one thing…

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to live.

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Because I wanted to live.

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Misha created a world for herself,

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a world of her own belief.

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When he was close,

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I stabbed him in the stomach.

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I slashed everywhere.

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The throat, the face.

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I was covered in blood.

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It was horrible.

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Writing this book

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has caused me to relive

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my nightmares.

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Misha sought refuge in mythomania,

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and with time,

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she slowly becomes

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a character in her own story.

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Every time I stabbed,

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it was for this little girl,
it was for the children,

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it was for my parents.