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[eerie music plays]
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[man] Friday afternoon, a tip comes in.
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I was an intern, which was unpaid,
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and I was paid in sandwiches…
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[chuckles] …and, like,
an occasional bottle of booze.
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Tips at Deadspin were mostly junk
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or just like, "Hey, here's a funny picture
I took of the weather broadcast
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where the radar pattern
kinda looks like a dick."
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But occasionally someone would give you
a story that at least you could check out.
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And because I was still
sort of the eager college student,
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I thought, "I'll check it out."
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Tip says, "Subject,
Manti Te'o's nonexistent dead girlfriend."
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"I know you guys get thousands of tips
that are out-there or crazy."
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"This is one
that should really be looked into."
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"I was born and raised a Laie boy
on the North Shore of Oahu."
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"While Manti Te'o is a loved native son
here in Hawaii, he is also a fraud."
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"The story about his girlfriend dying
is completely made-up."
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"Please use the actual reporting skills
you have to find the truth."
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"Much aloha, Chris."
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[eerie music builds]
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And I was like,
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"Boy, that would be fucking crazy
if it were true!" [chuckles]
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I sent the tip to Tim Burke.
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Tim is this sort of brilliant,
eccentric master
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of databases and analysis,
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and he just had tools that none of us had
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and that I would wager at that time maybe
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a dozen journalists
in the whole country had.
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[Tim] Before I started working
for Deadspin,
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I traveled
in some interesting online circles,
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including with Anonymous,
the notorious online hacker group,
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and I developed a reputation
as somebody who finds things.
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[eerie music continues]
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This tip is not like most tips.
This tip is different.
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I just googled "Lennay Kekua."
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Every single result,
a story about how she was
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the dead girlfriend
of Notre Dame linebacker Manti Te'o.
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She physically did not exist
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outside of being
Manti Te'o's dead girlfriend,
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which was the whole story to me.
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["Your Sweet Love" by Lee Hazlewood plays]
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♪ Stranger's arms ♪
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♪ Reach out to me ♪
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♪ 'Cause they know ♪
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♪ I'm so lonely ♪
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♪ Then my mind ♪
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♪ Goes back to you ♪
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♪ And your sweet love ♪
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♪ Sees me through ♪
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-["Your Sweet Love" fades]
-[insects chirping]
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[woman breathing deeply]
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[camera shutters clicking]
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[man 1] Welcome to the press conference
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for the annual
78th Memorial Heisman Trophy.
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Tonight, we will name the most outstanding
college football player in 2012.
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[man 2] Look right.
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Look down at the cameras in front.
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[Manti] At this point,
I had got a call two days earlier
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that the girl who I thought was dead
is now alive.
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[man 2] Straight out again.
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[Manti] And I'm at the Heisman Ceremony
in New York.
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And I got a national championship game
that I got to play in.
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I don't know what to think.
I don't know what to do. Like,
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"What's true? What's not true?"
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And I can't tell anybody what's going on.
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I mean, what would you think?
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So I just stuck to the script.
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Manti, you're very resilient.
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You lose your girlfriend
as well as your grandmother
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within the span of 24 hours.
I'm just curious,
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what made you wanna keep playing the game?
Some kids could've taken time off.
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Oh, you know, my faith, you know.
I… I drew strength from my faith,
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um, from Heavenly Father,
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and the same thing
that everybody should draw strength from.
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To me, someone who recognizes
what the Notre Dame football mythos is,
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this was just another part of that.
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Oh, Notre Dame star linebacker
loses family members,
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dedicates his season to them.
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That's a Notre Dame football story.
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[Dickey] Notre Dame football is built
on these foundational myths,
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Rudy, "Win one for the Gipper."
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It's the nexus of football
and… and, literally, religion.
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The mysterious ways, uh,
you know, faith is rewarded.
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The thing that really helped me this year
is my relationship with my Heavenly Father
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and strengthening
my spiritual side of my life,
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and I think I attribute everything
that I've accomplished this year to that.
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Through the sports news media,
there were millions and millions of people
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who knew there was
a Notre Dame football player
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whose grandmother
and girlfriend had died the same night
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and that he dedicated his season to them.
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One problem.
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His girlfriend did not exist.
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[whimsical music plays]
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I started a Google Doc
and sort of laid out
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what I thought the natural progression
of events ought to be.
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The first one's obviously, like,
"Does Lennay Kekua exist?"
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[Dickey] "Where did she die?
How old was she when she died?"
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"Did she die before
or after Manti's grandma?"
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We did this exhaustive search
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of all of the news coverage
of Manti Te'o and Lennay Kekua.
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We found conflicting information reported
in major publications often the same day
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that described events
in wildly different ways.
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You had Sports Illustrated describing
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Manti Te'o's grandmother dying
before Manti Te'o's girlfriend
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and the other two publications reporting
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that the girlfriend died
and then the grandmother.
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And that's a pretty important distinction.
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I saw all of these newspapers,
all of these magazines, ESPN,
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reporting things that I, at that point,
felt quite confident weren't true.
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I thought, "This is a story
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about how Sports Illustrated
and The New York Times and ESPN
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all fell for a hoax."
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The opportunity to make ESPN look stupid?
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Oh my God!
That was what we were there for.
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We wanted to make sure
that we took every step to verify
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that we were on the right track.
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Harassing Stanford to try and tell us
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whether or not Lennay Kekua
had ever been a student there
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and calling every single funeral home
in California
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to see if they buried
someone named Lennay Kekua.
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[Dickey] Death notices, obituaries,
articles about her life
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that don't mention Manti Te'o.
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Nothing in the databases
that we were searching
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that revealed that Lennay existed.
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Then we started to wonder,
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"Could Manti have been involved
in any way?"
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[Tim] Manti Te'o had
an absolutely astounding senior year,
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without question.
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That's still not typically…
the sort of season
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that gets someone invited to New York
as a Heisman finalist.
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The Heisman Trophy is awarded every year
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to college football's
most outstanding player,
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but the winner is chosen by sportswriters.
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I don't think a person can deny
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that the dramatic story
of loss off the field
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helped his Heisman campaign.
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[man] Manti Te'o,
the Fighting Irish, 12 and 0,
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and headed for the BCS championship game
against Alabama.
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Folks, let's hear it for all
of our Heisman Trophy finalists for 2012.
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[Dickey] We did have a pretty good hunch
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that he knew
this thing had happened to him.
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Manti, you're excellent
at studying the nuances of the game.
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When you look at the trophy,
what do you notice about the player there?
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[Manti] We're on stage at the ceremony,
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and I remember I'm asked a question
about Lennay on that stage.
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There were a lot of cameras
around you this year.
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There was so much public sharing
of very private moments.
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Which shared moment will you never forget
above the others?
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[Manti] I remember vividly thinking,
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"What do I say with what I know?"
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I don't know what is going on.
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I don't know what's real and what's not.
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I should just answer their question,
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see if you win the Heisman,
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and we'll figure everything out.
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I'll never forget
the time when I found out
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that, you know,
my girlfriend passed away, and, uh,
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the first person to run to my aid was
my defensive coordinator, Coach Diaco.
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Should I have said
on a national stage at the Heisman that,
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"Hey, I just got a phone call
two days ago that
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the person who said she was dead
is now alive"?
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Do I do that? And that…
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You tell me.
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[woman] And now,
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the 2012 winner
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of the Heisman Memorial Trophy is…
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Johnny Manziel.
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[audience applauding, cheering]
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We start to figure out
what we need to prove
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that this tip is correct
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and that all these stories out there
were incorrect.
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Jack took on finding the identity
of the person behind it,
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and I took on finding the identity
of the person
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who actually appeared in the images.
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You have a mystery woman. Let's find her.
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[Naya] I was losing it.
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I couldn't share with anyone
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how I was feeling,
the pain that I was going through,
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the guilt that I was feeling,
how it was really eating me up inside.
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Like, I couldn't share these feelings
with anyone. It just ate away.
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I lost sense of direction.
I lost every piece of a moral compass.
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I… I lost it all.
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I remember thinking to myself,
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"There's no more hiding, no more running,
no more trying to cover up."
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"I gotta come clean."
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I sat my mom down first,
and I remember sitting there just crying.
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Immediately, she's like,
"We need to talk to your dad."
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I told him about everything,
the life of Lennay and catfishing.
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It was the first time
that I had opened up about…
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my sexuality.
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[Manti] So after the Heisman,
I was able to go home for Christmas.
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I knew I had to tell my parents.
I need somebody's help.
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I told my parents exactly what it was.
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I said, "Listen, I don't know
what's going on, but I got a phone call,
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and I'm not sure,
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um, if Lennay is alive,
if Lennay is dead."
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They looked at me, and they were confused.
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[hesitates] To me, he appeared like,
"Dad, Dad, she's okay."
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"She's… she's alive.
She's this. She's that."
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And I'm thinking, "What?"
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We just thought, "What sick joke
is someone trying to put on us?"
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We called one of my uncles,
um, who's a lawyer,
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and we told him the whole situation.
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My uncle immediately said,
"I think you're getting catfished."
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And that was the first time
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that somebody ever brought up
the term "catfish."
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I didn't know what catfishing was.
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Even when he explained what it was,
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I still couldn't understand
what that even entailed.
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I told him,
"You put our family in a bad light,
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and you should have known."
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Because he was my oldest
and because he wears that responsibility,
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he should've known.
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Immediately, I'm just like, "Oh crap."
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On December 26th,
Manti shared the information
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that he had learned about the woman
he believed to be his girlfriend.
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The initial response was
total bewilderment.
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And in some ways,
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the most significant question
for the university was,
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"How do we handle
this piece of information we have?"
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An enterprise like a major university has
a lot of outside consultants
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and others who come in with advice,
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and the consistent theme
of the advice was,
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we don't need to say
anything publicly right now,
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but we do need to find out what happened
and be very, very careful.
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This was not the busy newsroom
from your famous journalism movies.
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Jack Dickey was on winter break
at his parents' house in Connecticut.
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I was in my office
in St. Petersburg, Florida,
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and we really got into this workflow
where he would just send me a text.
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[Dickey] There were pictures of a woman,
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so Tim sort of assembled
all the pictures he found on the Internet.
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[Tim] I had probably 20 photos,
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and I start doing
these Google reverse image searches.
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It was a very frustrating process
because there were so many.
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But, on the last image, I got a hit,
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and it linked to a Myspace profile,
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and… [splutters] …there she was.
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But unfortunately, no name.
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[Naya] Now, as a Christian,
I firmly believe in the statement,
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"What is done
in the dark will come to light."
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I didn't know what it was,
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but I knew something…
something was wrong, something was up.
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I knew something was coming.
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[Dickey] We found
that there were some tweets
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that mentioned Ronaiah Tuiasosopo
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was connected to Lennay somehow.
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[Naya] I started to see
some tweets circulating.
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These tweets are coming from individuals
who were connected to Lennay's past.
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And these individuals
had started putting things together
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and figuring out
that Lennay wasn't who she said she was.
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In fact, it just might be Ronaiah.
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Once I started catching wind of this,
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I was like,
"This is about to hit the fan."
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While Dickey's doing all that work,
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I'm on a Myspace profile.
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There's no name,
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so I go through every single post
over a decade,
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and then I get to linking out to a Xanga.
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And so I go to the Xanga,
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and she had published her full name…
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which I then plugged into Facebook.
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And there she was,
Manti Te'o's allegedly dead girlfriend.
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I sent her immediately
a very urgent Facebook message.
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Understandably,
she was very confused by this.
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Working with her to try to piece
how these images might have come out
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really came down to one of those images,
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because of those 20 images that I had,
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19 of them were just taken
from her social media profiles.
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But one of those images
she had sent to a single person.
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And I say, "Who was it?"
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And she says,
"I don't wanna say just yet."
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"I wanna… I wanna talk to him."
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And while Jack Dickey is texting me
with the name "Ronaiah,"
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I say, "Is it Ronaiah?"
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And she hangs up.
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[interviewer] How did you get that photo?
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I asked Diane to write on a paper, like,
a certain sequence of letters and numbers,
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and I said it was for a friend
who was sick or whatever.
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His cousin got in a car accident,
and he needed me to send a picture
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because he was gonna be inspired
to recover.
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Like, as horrible as it felt to do that,
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it was kind of a relief
knowing that I was able to validate,
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still, a girl that wasn't even real.
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[Dickey] And so from there, it was,
"Okay, well, who is Ronaiah?"
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Because Diane didn't really know
Ronaiah that well.
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There were people who said
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Manti had a hand in the creation
of the Lennay character.
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We were trying to figure that out.
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[Tim] We're trying to establish a link
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between Ronaiah Tuiasosopo and Manti Te'o,
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and we found a series of tweets
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where they were interacting
with each other.
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We found people saying he and Manti were
family or friends or something.
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We couldn't get the story
behind why that was.
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[Manti] I thought
I was talking to Lennay's cousin.
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I wasn't gonna turn down
an opportunity to help somebody
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and give him some words of encouragement,
and so I was more than happy to give it.
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At that point, it became really evident
to us that we had a major story.
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[crowd cheering]
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[announcer]
Alabama and Notre Dame come together
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on the football field for the first time
in a generation.
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The unique one-game season
to decide the championship.
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It's been called Alabama Dynasty
versus Notre Dame Destiny.
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Herbie, if you're like me,
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about the only way
we could describe Notre Dame being here
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is Magical Mystery Tour.
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At this time,
I don't know what's going on.
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I don't know what's true, what's not true.
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All I know is I got national championship.
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This is what you dreamed of.
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This is why you came to Notre Dame
is to play on the biggest stage,
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and it doesn't get any bigger
than the national championship.
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This is what it's all about.
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And so I try to push
all of that to the side,
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and I focused on ball.
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[Herbie] He's so instinctive.
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[Manti] It was an escape
from all of that stuff.
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[Herbie continues speaking indistinctly]
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[crowd cheering]
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[commentator] Game on.
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Jones from the one-yard line.
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To the middle and out to about…
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He'll never say it affected his play,
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but you could definitely see
something was up.
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[commentator] Yeldon will follow Johnson.
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Johnson got blown out.
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Yeldon with a second effort breaks free!
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[Herbie] We've seen Manti Te'o miss
a couple tackles,
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something we've not seen all year.
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That national championship game
was really just devastating.
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[spluttering]
It was hard for me to watch that.
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[commentator]
Lacy. Bolts middle. Still going.
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End zone! And Eddie Lacy scores
the first touchdown…
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I could only imagine
how it was to him and his family.
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[commentator] Touchdown Alabama!
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Obviously, when you watch him
play that game, he just wasn't there.
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He's just all over the place.
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[commentator]
He's one of the most decorated
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college football players ever,
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and yet he'd probably trade
all that hardware
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for a 7-7 score right now.
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I wish I could sit in front of you
and say that I was a national champion.
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I gave it everything I had.
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And we… we just… we just lost
to a really good Alabama team, man.
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[somber music playing]
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[Tim] At this point,
Manti had been on this meteoric rise,
349
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and then the whole team collapsed
in the national championship game,
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and now he's moving on to his pro career.
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I'm obviously disappointed…
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[Tim] And it's important that
before you publish a story on someone,
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that you call them for comment.
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It's also important
you put a reasonable limit
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on how long you're going to wait
for that comment.
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People will try to get out in front
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of what they perceive
to be a negative story
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with a much more sympathetic version
of it, quickly.
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We were engaged in conversations
with Manti about,
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"We… This has to be talked about."
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"What's the plan?"
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Manti was working on revealing the story.
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Given that he had a high-powered agent
and had the resources of Notre Dame,
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we hurried because we didn't want, uh,
to get beat on the story.
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00:23:02,214 --> 00:23:05,050
I called Ronaiah probably eight times.
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00:23:05,133 --> 00:23:07,886
Someone from Deadspin
actually texted my phone,
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00:23:08,387 --> 00:23:12,724
and I was just kinda like, "No, I don't…
No, this is not how we're gonna do this."
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00:23:12,808 --> 00:23:15,560
It just wasn't anyone else's place
but my own.
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00:23:16,395 --> 00:23:19,898
[Manti] I get a phone call
from Lennay's cousin, Ronaiah,
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and he just starts apologizing.
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00:23:23,068 --> 00:23:25,278
And he just says, "Hey, man, I just…"
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00:23:25,362 --> 00:23:28,490
His exact… his exact words,
"Before anybody else found out,
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I just wanted to apologize."
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And I said,
"What are you apologizing for?"
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He's like,
"I just wanted to apologize, man."
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[Naya] I don't remember
if I hung up, they hung up.
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00:23:40,127 --> 00:23:41,503
I just remember that was that.
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00:23:42,212 --> 00:23:46,049
And I would never have any communication
or contact with Manti again. Mm-hmm.
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00:23:47,926 --> 00:23:53,306
We called Brian and Manti,
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I want to say somewhere maybe one o'clock
or two o'clock in the afternoon.
381
00:23:58,270 --> 00:24:02,357
I was actually at work,
and I got this message on my voice mail.
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00:24:02,441 --> 00:24:05,610
It was a man. I can't remember his name.
He said he was from Deadspin,
383
00:24:05,694 --> 00:24:09,364
and I didn't pay him any attention.
I just ignored it, went back to work.
384
00:24:09,448 --> 00:24:12,492
He didn't call back,
and so I called Manti's number.
385
00:24:12,576 --> 00:24:14,536
As far as Deadspin is concerned, I…
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00:24:16,496 --> 00:24:20,459
There was so much coming at one time
that I didn't know what to do.
387
00:24:20,959 --> 00:24:23,378
At that point,
we had the story put together.
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00:24:23,462 --> 00:24:26,965
We had talked to everyone
who would talk to us,
389
00:24:27,632 --> 00:24:32,637
and it wasn't worth it for us
to delay the story any further.
390
00:24:32,721 --> 00:24:38,894
We weren't going to wait to publish
until we knew every little thing,
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00:24:38,977 --> 00:24:41,104
because someone's gonna beat you to it.
392
00:24:41,855 --> 00:24:43,607
An hour after that, we hit publish.
393
00:24:57,621 --> 00:24:59,623
[birds chirping]
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[Manti]
After the national championship game,
395
00:25:02,334 --> 00:25:04,961
I flew to Florida to prepare
for the Combine.
396
00:25:13,512 --> 00:25:15,430
I get a call from my agent. He's like,
397
00:25:15,514 --> 00:25:18,725
"I need you to go to your apartment
and lock yourself in there,
398
00:25:18,808 --> 00:25:19,935
and I'll call you."
399
00:25:20,727 --> 00:25:22,729
I say, "Wait, what… what's going on?"
400
00:25:23,396 --> 00:25:24,272
He's like,
401
00:25:25,607 --> 00:25:27,567
"It's gonna be a long ride, bro."
402
00:25:29,444 --> 00:25:35,200
And so I went on my Twitter at that time,
and… the Deadspin article just leaked.
403
00:25:36,576 --> 00:25:37,994
And I saw everything
404
00:25:38,078 --> 00:25:42,707
just on the feed, just racking up,
everything everybody had to say about me.
405
00:25:50,340 --> 00:25:51,466
And that's when I read it.
406
00:25:56,638 --> 00:25:58,390
But I still couldn't understand.
407
00:26:01,017 --> 00:26:01,977
[sniffles]
408
00:26:11,069 --> 00:26:14,239
[Naya] I got a call from my dad,
and my dad was like, "Come straight home."
409
00:26:14,322 --> 00:26:17,909
"When you come home, walk straight
in the door. Don't answer no questions."
410
00:26:19,035 --> 00:26:21,496
[Manti] My agent called me
when he was outside of my apartment.
411
00:26:21,580 --> 00:26:23,164
He's like, "We're gonna move you."
412
00:26:23,665 --> 00:26:26,293
So I packed up all my bags.
I jumped in the car.
413
00:26:26,376 --> 00:26:31,214
As we approach, as we made the turn
down the road that the front gate is on,
414
00:26:31,298 --> 00:26:33,216
he told me to recline my chair.
415
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:36,886
And so I remember
I… I'm laying in the car,
416
00:26:36,970 --> 00:26:41,349
and as he starts to make the turn,
I kinda, like, look up a little bit,
417
00:26:42,058 --> 00:26:47,105
and I see all the news trucks
in the parking lot across the street.
418
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,152
And I asked him, I was like,
"Is that all for me, man?"
419
00:26:52,235 --> 00:26:54,070
And he's like, "That's all for you."
420
00:26:54,571 --> 00:26:57,032
As we're going closer to our house, like,
421
00:26:57,115 --> 00:27:01,077
I could see the news trucks pulling in
one by one, stacking.
422
00:27:01,161 --> 00:27:05,206
They had, like, huge satellites set up
outside our house.
423
00:27:05,290 --> 00:27:07,667
People were, like, taking pictures
over our backyard fence.
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00:27:07,751 --> 00:27:10,045
-[man] Is that Ronnie?
-[woman] We're late for a flight.
425
00:27:10,128 --> 00:27:11,630
[man] Did you create Lennay?
426
00:27:13,214 --> 00:27:15,425
[Manti] Against their advice,
427
00:27:15,508 --> 00:27:19,596
I left my apartment the next morning
to go to training, right?
428
00:27:27,479 --> 00:27:29,564
And I walk into the cafeteria,
429
00:27:29,648 --> 00:27:32,317
and everybody's just talking,
talking about whatever.
430
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:34,861
And I turn into the cafeteria,
and it goes silent.
431
00:27:38,073 --> 00:27:39,074
And I looked at everybody,
432
00:27:39,157 --> 00:27:42,077
and everybody kind of just looked at me
and looked down,
433
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,413
and nobody was really talking anymore.
And I'm like, "Okay."
434
00:27:46,581 --> 00:27:48,166
And I sat by myself,
435
00:27:48,750 --> 00:27:50,919
and that said everything
436
00:27:52,045 --> 00:27:55,799
that needed to be said
about what my world was like from then on.
437
00:27:57,676 --> 00:27:59,302
And that was just the beginning.
438
00:27:59,386 --> 00:28:02,055
I made the case the university
had to speak before the end of the day.
439
00:28:02,764 --> 00:28:07,060
This was a very elaborate,
very sophisticated hoax
440
00:28:08,353 --> 00:28:11,940
perpetrated for reasons
we can't fully understand.
441
00:28:12,023 --> 00:28:15,819
I don't think anyone can fully appreciate
how big a story it became.
442
00:28:15,902 --> 00:28:17,904
It just swept the news.
443
00:28:17,987 --> 00:28:21,324
And a bizarre story
out of college football is blowing up
444
00:28:21,408 --> 00:28:23,326
across the Internet today.
445
00:28:23,410 --> 00:28:25,328
It does not get any stranger
than this one.
446
00:28:25,412 --> 00:28:29,874
Notre Dame football star Manti Te'o
is at the center of a giant hoax.
447
00:28:29,958 --> 00:28:32,335
[reporter] The story of the hoax
broke on Deadspin,
448
00:28:32,419 --> 00:28:37,048
a popular sports website that's reporting
the girlfriend doesn't even exist.
449
00:28:37,132 --> 00:28:38,967
The girlfriend never even existed.
450
00:28:39,050 --> 00:28:42,345
It turns out
that girl apparently never existed.
451
00:28:42,429 --> 00:28:44,973
That's right.
There was no woman by that name.
452
00:28:45,056 --> 00:28:47,892
It was baffling.
453
00:28:47,976 --> 00:28:51,396
It does rank among
the most wild off-field items we've seen
454
00:28:51,479 --> 00:28:53,314
in recent times in college football.
455
00:28:53,398 --> 00:28:56,693
I think one of the first questions
that everybody asked is,
456
00:28:57,193 --> 00:28:59,195
how could he be so naive?
457
00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:02,240
And then, I think, the second question
everybody started wondering is,
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00:29:02,323 --> 00:29:03,366
was he complicit?
459
00:29:03,450 --> 00:29:07,412
The question tonight is,
is Manti Te'o in on this elaborate hoax?
460
00:29:07,495 --> 00:29:10,206
Was he complicit?
Where was the transparency at Notre Dame?
461
00:29:10,290 --> 00:29:11,833
It seems odd to me
462
00:29:11,916 --> 00:29:14,794
that he would tell the story
about his girlfriend so often
463
00:29:14,878 --> 00:29:17,255
but never mention
that he had never actually met her.
464
00:29:17,338 --> 00:29:21,217
It just was like a huge tidal wave,
and I was drowning.
465
00:29:21,301 --> 00:29:26,389
You can't feel anything, taste anything,
smell anything, nothing.
466
00:29:26,473 --> 00:29:29,517
I remember people talking to me,
and I was just nodding like, "Yeah."
467
00:29:29,601 --> 00:29:31,519
"Thank you. Yeah, okay."
468
00:29:31,603 --> 00:29:35,315
And, in all honesty, I don't even remember
what they were saying.
469
00:29:35,398 --> 00:29:39,027
I could never really remember
if they even asked a question.
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00:29:39,110 --> 00:29:40,403
I was just numb.
471
00:29:40,487 --> 00:29:42,864
I spent the next 36 hours
472
00:29:42,947 --> 00:29:47,076
after we published that story
almost exclusively doing live television.
473
00:29:47,702 --> 00:29:51,122
[reporter 1] Timothy Burke is the reporter
from deadspin.com who broke this story.
474
00:29:51,206 --> 00:29:52,791
-Timothy, good morning.
-Morning, Matt.
475
00:29:52,874 --> 00:29:57,754
Shows that had nothing to do with sports
at all, all wanted to talk Te'o.
476
00:29:57,837 --> 00:29:59,589
Now we're learning
the identity of the woman
477
00:29:59,672 --> 00:30:02,550
whose picture Te'o apparently believed
was the girlfriend.
478
00:30:02,634 --> 00:30:05,678
[reporter 2] Inside Edition
has identified her as Diane O'Meara.
479
00:30:05,762 --> 00:30:08,932
She said she had no idea
her image was being used
480
00:30:09,015 --> 00:30:11,559
and that the man
many say is behind the hoax
481
00:30:11,643 --> 00:30:13,353
has now called to apologize.
482
00:30:13,436 --> 00:30:15,230
Ronaiah has called
483
00:30:15,313 --> 00:30:19,025
and not only confessed,
but he has also apologized.
484
00:30:19,108 --> 00:30:24,739
But I don't think there's anything
you can say to me that would… fix this.
485
00:30:25,698 --> 00:30:29,369
If Lennay Kekua was not a real person,
486
00:30:29,869 --> 00:30:31,830
who was Manti talking to
487
00:30:31,913 --> 00:30:34,374
in these phone conversations
he was having?
488
00:30:34,457 --> 00:30:37,126
A lot of what you write centers
around this mysterious guy…
489
00:30:37,210 --> 00:30:39,045
Ronaiah Tuiasosopo.
490
00:30:39,128 --> 00:30:41,047
The man who was allegedly behind it all.
491
00:30:41,130 --> 00:30:43,967
The next shoe to drop is really gonna be
when Ronaiah,
492
00:30:44,050 --> 00:30:45,969
who's allegedly
the perpetrator of the hoax,
493
00:30:46,052 --> 00:30:48,638
if he comes out and speaks,
that will explain a lot.
494
00:30:58,565 --> 00:31:01,150
My first impressions in meeting Ronaiah
495
00:31:01,234 --> 00:31:07,699
was how immature, naive,
and vulnerable he presented.
496
00:31:07,782 --> 00:31:11,160
We spent, uh, many hours here,
497
00:31:11,244 --> 00:31:14,747
uh, the day we did the interview
before the interview actually started.
498
00:31:15,957 --> 00:31:17,876
It got pretty bizarre at times.
499
00:31:19,043 --> 00:31:22,297
Going into my interview with Dr. Phil
and preparing for that,
500
00:31:22,380 --> 00:31:26,384
of course I want to speak the truth,
of course I want to talk about everything
501
00:31:26,467 --> 00:31:30,930
and be transparent and be honest,
but during that time it was very critical,
502
00:31:31,014 --> 00:31:33,433
because that's when Manti was preparing
for the Draft.
503
00:31:33,516 --> 00:31:36,102
I didn't want to say too much,
504
00:31:36,686 --> 00:31:38,688
but I also didn't want to lie.
505
00:31:39,272 --> 00:31:42,025
A part of me felt like
I still needed to protect him.
506
00:31:42,692 --> 00:31:45,069
As twisted and as confusing as it may be,
507
00:31:45,570 --> 00:31:48,573
um, yeah, I mean, I cared for this person.
508
00:31:48,656 --> 00:31:52,452
Um, I did all that I could to help
this person become a better person.
509
00:31:53,119 --> 00:31:56,581
It's very painful to even talk about,
but, you know,
510
00:31:57,498 --> 00:32:00,376
the truth of it is, is that happened.
511
00:32:00,460 --> 00:32:02,253
I grew feelings. I grew emotions
512
00:32:02,337 --> 00:32:06,966
that, um, I… sooner or later,
I couldn't control anymore.
513
00:32:07,050 --> 00:32:08,593
Were you in love with him?
514
00:32:10,470 --> 00:32:14,015
I mean, yeah. If… if I had…
515
00:32:14,098 --> 00:32:16,559
We were doing our interview,
and everything was good.
516
00:32:16,643 --> 00:32:19,437
Then, um, his interview came out.
517
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:20,647
Today, Manti speaks
518
00:32:20,730 --> 00:32:23,983
in his first television interview
since the scandal broke.
519
00:32:24,067 --> 00:32:26,486
[Manti]
As far as that crisis management period,
520
00:32:26,569 --> 00:32:30,740
I'm gonna be 100% honest.
I was just going with what they told me.
521
00:32:30,823 --> 00:32:34,661
I didn't know who to talk to.
I didn't know who I should talk to.
522
00:32:34,744 --> 00:32:37,413
You know, honestly,
I didn't wanna say anything.
523
00:32:37,497 --> 00:32:41,584
Did you have any involvement
in creating this scam?
524
00:32:42,085 --> 00:32:43,419
No.
525
00:32:43,503 --> 00:32:45,004
I… I… I did not.
526
00:32:45,088 --> 00:32:49,717
One of the theories, many theories,
Manti, making the rounds is
527
00:32:49,801 --> 00:32:53,054
somehow you created this whole scenario
528
00:32:53,137 --> 00:32:55,640
to cover up your sexual orientation.
529
00:32:55,723 --> 00:32:57,350
-[Manti chuckles]
-Are you gay?
530
00:32:57,433 --> 00:32:58,643
No.
531
00:32:58,726 --> 00:33:00,019
Far from it.
532
00:33:00,103 --> 00:33:01,437
Far from that.
533
00:33:01,521 --> 00:33:03,523
-[Manti chuckles]
-[audience laughs]
534
00:33:04,023 --> 00:33:07,110
[Manti] That interview that I did
didn't sit too well with me.
535
00:33:07,610 --> 00:33:09,195
Was it embarrassing for me? Yeah.
536
00:33:09,278 --> 00:33:13,908
But it made me more angry
because my parents were there.
537
00:33:14,826 --> 00:33:16,744
I was angry
because I was being protective.
538
00:33:17,328 --> 00:33:21,082
The hardest part of this whole experience
is seeing my family go through it,
539
00:33:21,165 --> 00:33:23,418
all because of something that I did.
540
00:33:25,420 --> 00:33:28,089
He's not a liar. He's a kid.
541
00:33:28,172 --> 00:33:30,591
He's a 21-year-old kid, and I love him.
542
00:33:33,761 --> 00:33:34,679
I really do.
543
00:33:36,639 --> 00:33:39,392
I asked if I could watch the interview
in a separate room
544
00:33:39,475 --> 00:33:41,853
and if I could watch it with privacy.
545
00:33:41,936 --> 00:33:46,065
I just wanted to be there and to listen
to whatever it was that Manti had to say.
546
00:33:46,149 --> 00:33:50,361
You have no idea who the voice
on the other end of the phone was
547
00:33:50,445 --> 00:33:51,904
for all those months.
548
00:33:52,447 --> 00:33:53,448
Mm-hmm.
549
00:33:53,531 --> 00:33:58,745
Do you think Ronaiah
could've been playing the role of Lennay?
550
00:33:58,828 --> 00:34:01,873
Do you think that might've been a man
on the other end of the phone?
551
00:34:03,416 --> 00:34:04,250
Well,
552
00:34:05,626 --> 00:34:07,211
it didn't sound like a man.
553
00:34:07,295 --> 00:34:11,090
And then… Manti released the voice mails.
554
00:34:11,174 --> 00:34:13,551
[Lennay] Hey, babe,
I'm just calling to say good night.
555
00:34:13,634 --> 00:34:16,054
I love you.
I know that you're probably doing homework
556
00:34:16,137 --> 00:34:19,849
or you're with the boys or grubbing.
What a fatty.
557
00:34:19,932 --> 00:34:22,977
But I just wanted to say I love you
and good night, and I'll be okay tonight.
558
00:34:23,061 --> 00:34:24,812
I'll do my best. Um…
559
00:34:25,313 --> 00:34:29,734
Yeah, so get your rest,
and I'll talk to you tomorrow.
560
00:34:29,817 --> 00:34:31,319
I love you so much, hun.
561
00:34:31,402 --> 00:34:32,987
Sweet dreams.
562
00:34:33,071 --> 00:34:37,158
The damn voice mails!
I was like, "Bro, why did you do that?"
563
00:34:37,241 --> 00:34:40,745
'Cause, like, when…
once he posted those voice mails…
564
00:34:40,828 --> 00:34:44,373
I mean, I get it. You know,
I mean, you needed to get the public
565
00:34:44,457 --> 00:34:46,459
to kinda see where you're coming from.
566
00:34:46,542 --> 00:34:48,795
How could you not think this was a female?
567
00:34:48,878 --> 00:34:52,256
Get it. But it was, like,
the voice mails that, like…
568
00:34:52,757 --> 00:34:56,135
Not only was I having to answer for this.
Now I was, like, having to validate that.
569
00:34:57,011 --> 00:35:02,141
So I contacted the private contractors
for the FBI and the Secret Service.
570
00:35:03,226 --> 00:35:06,145
They said the chance
that you are the person
571
00:35:06,229 --> 00:35:09,857
on that voice mail
is like one in ten million.
572
00:35:09,941 --> 00:35:10,858
Yup.
573
00:35:10,942 --> 00:35:12,193
That it is not you,
574
00:35:12,276 --> 00:35:13,820
not even possible.
575
00:35:13,903 --> 00:35:17,657
I think it's important
for people to see the voice control
576
00:35:17,740 --> 00:35:21,035
and see you speak in the female voice.
577
00:35:21,119 --> 00:35:22,453
You can read something,
578
00:35:22,537 --> 00:35:26,707
but I think people need
to see you speak in that voice.
579
00:35:26,791 --> 00:35:30,294
-What's the easiest way for you to do it?
-No. I can't, even if I tried.
580
00:35:30,878 --> 00:35:32,880
There's a whole lot that went into
581
00:35:32,964 --> 00:35:35,925
pushing me to do something like that,
to go to that extreme.
582
00:35:36,008 --> 00:35:38,177
It was like a method actor.
583
00:35:38,678 --> 00:35:41,806
He said, "For me to get into character,
584
00:35:42,431 --> 00:35:44,600
I had to be in a dark room,
585
00:35:44,684 --> 00:35:49,897
in this mind space
where I morphed into this character."
586
00:35:49,981 --> 00:35:52,525
[Naya] He had me laying
on this little sofa thing,
587
00:35:52,608 --> 00:35:55,945
and I'm looking at him like, "Dr. Phil,
I don't got no little itty bitty body."
588
00:35:56,028 --> 00:35:58,739
"I'mma need a little bigger…
Let me get, like, a real bed."
589
00:35:59,824 --> 00:36:03,369
Hey, babe. Um, I'm just calling
to say good night and I love you.
590
00:36:04,036 --> 00:36:07,999
I know you're probably doing homework
or with the boys or grubbing.
591
00:36:08,499 --> 00:36:11,502
[chuckles] What a fatty.
But I just wanted to say I love you
592
00:36:11,586 --> 00:36:14,589
and good night, and I'll be okay tonight.
593
00:36:14,672 --> 00:36:15,840
I'll do my best.
594
00:36:16,340 --> 00:36:19,343
Um, yeah, so get your rest,
and I'll talk to you tomorrow.
595
00:36:20,178 --> 00:36:22,471
I love you so much, hun. Sweet dreams.
596
00:36:24,265 --> 00:36:29,478
I brought in, uh, world-class experts
that do voice analysis and all,
597
00:36:29,562 --> 00:36:34,525
and that was him speaking
to Manti Te'o all of this time.
598
00:36:34,609 --> 00:36:36,277
The plot has apparently thickened
599
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,488
in the already bizarre
dead girlfriend hoax.
600
00:36:39,572 --> 00:36:42,033
Since news
of the Manti Te'o love hoax broke,
601
00:36:42,116 --> 00:36:45,912
the story has been bringing more questions
than answers.
602
00:36:45,995 --> 00:36:51,083
I did not believe that this guy,
Ronaiah, could… could actually do
603
00:36:51,167 --> 00:36:54,462
a woman's voice passably for so long
on the phone, but then when you hear it,
604
00:36:54,545 --> 00:36:56,672
to me, it sounded identical.
What do you think?
605
00:36:57,256 --> 00:37:01,219
It was alleged to us
in the days after we published
606
00:37:01,302 --> 00:37:03,346
that there were multiple people involved
607
00:37:03,429 --> 00:37:07,934
in the construction
and operation of… Lennay Kekua.
608
00:37:08,434 --> 00:37:11,604
People underestimate how elaborate it was
609
00:37:11,687 --> 00:37:15,942
in terms of creating this impression, uh,
that they were able to create.
610
00:37:16,025 --> 00:37:19,278
I legit became a computer myself.
611
00:37:19,362 --> 00:37:22,823
It became so automatic.
It was like second nature where…
612
00:37:22,907 --> 00:37:24,325
You know, like tying your shoes.
613
00:37:24,408 --> 00:37:28,037
Like, the moment my phone rang,
and I saw, you know, his name come up,
614
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,666
I would just literally be like,
"Okay, let me walk away." Boom.
615
00:37:31,749 --> 00:37:34,418
There have been many conversations
that I had during that time
616
00:37:34,502 --> 00:37:37,672
where the phone was passed to somebody.
617
00:37:37,755 --> 00:37:39,590
I spoke to a young man.
618
00:37:40,091 --> 00:37:43,052
-You spoke to a young man and young lady.
-And a young lady.
619
00:37:43,135 --> 00:37:47,431
So, there are two people
that at least spoke to us.
620
00:37:47,515 --> 00:37:52,895
If it is Ronaiah alone,
then, I mean, he deserves to be in Disney.
621
00:37:52,979 --> 00:37:57,692
I mean, the amount of voices,
the… the amount of cell phones.
622
00:37:57,775 --> 00:37:59,860
It was just crazy shit.
623
00:37:59,944 --> 00:38:03,114
No, there was never
no other outside influence outside
624
00:38:03,197 --> 00:38:05,116
or like a helping hand in any of this.
625
00:38:05,199 --> 00:38:07,785
It was 100% me the entire time.
626
00:38:11,414 --> 00:38:13,833
-[camera shutters clicking]
-[indistinct chatter]
627
00:38:18,921 --> 00:38:22,133
The hardest part
for me was going in public.
628
00:38:23,926 --> 00:38:26,554
And which once was, "That's Manti Te'o!"
629
00:38:27,972 --> 00:38:30,558
Now was…
[whispers] …"Hey, that's Manti Te'o."
630
00:38:31,809 --> 00:38:33,811
"That's the guy that got catfished."
631
00:38:35,229 --> 00:38:36,897
Your whole world changes.
632
00:38:36,981 --> 00:38:40,192
Te'o, talk us through the moment
you found out your girlfriend was dead.
633
00:38:40,276 --> 00:38:43,863
Well, a couple months ago,
she called me up on the phone,
634
00:38:43,946 --> 00:38:47,366
and she was like,
"Hey, I have bad news. I'm dead."
635
00:38:47,450 --> 00:38:48,409
[audience laughs]
636
00:38:48,492 --> 00:38:53,164
And I said, "Oh no!
Do you need a ride to the funeral?"
637
00:38:53,247 --> 00:38:55,750
[reporter] Fans entering
tonight's Florence Freedom game
638
00:38:55,833 --> 00:39:00,629
were given a voucher for a bobblehead
of Manti Te'o's girlfriend.
639
00:39:00,713 --> 00:39:03,591
We removed Lance Armstrong
from the front page.
640
00:39:03,674 --> 00:39:06,969
It blows Lance Armstrong outta the water.
I'll say that.
641
00:39:07,053 --> 00:39:09,513
Oh boy. You know what?
This is the best thing that ever happened
642
00:39:09,597 --> 00:39:11,307
to Lance Armstrong. You are so right.
643
00:39:11,390 --> 00:39:15,644
Now Lance Armstrong looks
like a Girl Scout compared to this guy.
644
00:39:15,728 --> 00:39:16,854
[audience laughs]
645
00:39:16,937 --> 00:39:18,647
There was an article that came out,
646
00:39:18,731 --> 00:39:22,068
but the title was
"The Most Hated Athletes in the World."
647
00:39:22,151 --> 00:39:23,152
Tiger Woods,
648
00:39:24,653 --> 00:39:25,488
Lance Armstrong,
649
00:39:25,988 --> 00:39:27,239
and Manti Te'o.
650
00:39:28,908 --> 00:39:32,286
I was like,
"What am I doing on that list?"
651
00:39:33,162 --> 00:39:38,626
There was this sort of notion
of fallen heroes going on, right?
652
00:39:38,709 --> 00:39:42,421
[splutters]
Lance fed into Manti, in that regard.
653
00:39:42,922 --> 00:39:47,760
I don't think he had any concept
of how much the media will build you up
654
00:39:47,843 --> 00:39:51,013
and then how quickly
they will tear you down.
655
00:39:51,097 --> 00:39:54,100
You gotta be awfully dumb not to think
that this is gonna blow up in your face.
656
00:39:54,183 --> 00:39:58,229
I mean, anybody who has had
an imaginary girlfriend for three years,
657
00:39:58,312 --> 00:39:59,855
I mean, it just… it boggles your mind.
658
00:39:59,939 --> 00:40:04,151
The aftermath of the story was instructive
659
00:40:04,235 --> 00:40:09,073
in that we had no idea
660
00:40:09,156 --> 00:40:13,911
how little control we'd have
over how people responded to it.
661
00:40:13,994 --> 00:40:17,665
Maybe he was trying to keep
his personal life extremely private.
662
00:40:17,748 --> 00:40:20,000
[reporter] "If a football player wanted
to hide being gay,
663
00:40:20,084 --> 00:40:23,087
a fictitious girlfriend is
a good way to do it."
664
00:40:23,170 --> 00:40:26,882
It's hard to be a Mormon at Notre Dame,
665
00:40:26,966 --> 00:40:29,510
who's a liar and probably gay.
666
00:40:29,593 --> 00:40:33,764
The jump to that…
frankly shocked me a little bit.
667
00:40:33,848 --> 00:40:36,600
There wasn't a whole lot of interest
in trying to understand
668
00:40:37,101 --> 00:40:40,813
the… the real complexity of this story.
669
00:40:40,896 --> 00:40:44,024
Was he gay?
Like, I… I think all of these questions
670
00:40:44,108 --> 00:40:46,861
were things people just wanted to discuss.
671
00:40:46,944 --> 00:40:49,572
Did you ever think, Tim,
in a million years,
672
00:40:49,655 --> 00:40:51,532
that the motivation
behind this whole thing
673
00:40:51,615 --> 00:40:54,285
was because Ronaiah
was in love with Manti Te'o?
674
00:40:54,368 --> 00:40:55,828
To me, this was a story
675
00:40:55,911 --> 00:41:00,166
about how the most powerful
media companies in the world
676
00:41:00,249 --> 00:41:02,835
didn't fact-check things
that they published,
677
00:41:03,544 --> 00:41:06,130
and Deadspin,
a blog with eight employees, did.
678
00:41:06,213 --> 00:41:07,882
He was caught up in an online hoax--
679
00:41:07,965 --> 00:41:11,802
[Tim] But it became something else
that I really did not see coming.
680
00:41:11,886 --> 00:41:13,637
Every single person I talked to said,
681
00:41:13,721 --> 00:41:15,931
"I think he's gay and covering it up."
What do you think?
682
00:41:16,015 --> 00:41:18,267
The Deadspin mission was
683
00:41:18,350 --> 00:41:24,148
to make the mainstream sports media
look… foolish.
684
00:41:24,231 --> 00:41:28,068
I don't care what Manti Te'o…
like, what his sex life is.
685
00:41:28,152 --> 00:41:31,530
I don't care what Ronaiah's… sex life is.
686
00:41:31,614 --> 00:41:36,035
Like, I… I think… that wasn't our…
that wasn't our motivation at all.
687
00:41:37,244 --> 00:41:43,209
If anyone cared about that stuff,
they were wrong to care about that stuff.
688
00:41:43,292 --> 00:41:45,711
-[camera shutters clicking]
-[indistinct chatter]
689
00:41:55,471 --> 00:41:57,348
-[Manti] It's a lot of cameras.
-[man] Questions?
690
00:41:57,431 --> 00:41:59,350
[reporter]
Manti, what's up? How are you feeling?
691
00:41:59,433 --> 00:42:01,060
I'm kinda tired right now.
692
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:05,523
We, uh, had a long day
of, you know, just exams, medical exams.
693
00:42:06,023 --> 00:42:08,484
Um… It's all part of the process.
694
00:42:10,528 --> 00:42:15,658
Prior to the NFL Draft,
I met with 22 teams.
695
00:42:17,243 --> 00:42:20,913
Every one of them asked me
about getting catfished.
696
00:42:20,996 --> 00:42:23,791
Oh yeah, I mean, for me…
you know, I hopefully…
697
00:42:23,874 --> 00:42:28,212
I'm just looking forward to getting ready…
you know, getting straight to football,
698
00:42:28,295 --> 00:42:30,506
and I understand
that, you know, people have questions,
699
00:42:30,589 --> 00:42:33,551
but, you know, I think I've answered
everything I could,
700
00:42:33,634 --> 00:42:37,429
um, and for me,
I… I'd really like to talk about football.
701
00:42:37,513 --> 00:42:39,265
I'm totally aware
702
00:42:39,348 --> 00:42:43,561
there's this huge thing
across my forehead that says,
703
00:42:44,061 --> 00:42:48,941
"This is the guy who got catfished."
And I was afraid this was going to affect,
704
00:42:49,441 --> 00:42:53,195
uh, my NFL future
as far as me being drafted.
705
00:42:53,279 --> 00:42:55,906
Manti Te'o's poor performance
706
00:42:55,990 --> 00:42:57,908
at the BCS championship game
707
00:42:57,992 --> 00:43:02,204
together with this weird Polynesian plot
to embarrass him
708
00:43:02,288 --> 00:43:07,209
has reportedly given some NFL scouts
second thoughts about drafting him.
709
00:43:07,793 --> 00:43:12,006
[Mike Florio] Teams want to know
whether or not Manti Te'o is gay.
710
00:43:12,089 --> 00:43:13,257
They just want to know.
711
00:43:13,340 --> 00:43:15,134
I think he's gonna really be hurt by this,
712
00:43:15,217 --> 00:43:18,262
because one of the main attributes
he was supposed to have
713
00:43:18,345 --> 00:43:19,513
was his leadership.
714
00:43:19,597 --> 00:43:20,931
You know, people would follow him.
715
00:43:21,015 --> 00:43:23,642
He's this inspirational story, Jack,
you've been talking about.
716
00:43:23,726 --> 00:43:26,312
The guys are not gonna look at him
as a leader now.
717
00:43:26,937 --> 00:43:30,899
[man] And welcome, everybody,
to the 2013 NFL Draft.
718
00:43:30,983 --> 00:43:31,942
[crowd cheering]
719
00:43:32,026 --> 00:43:35,237
Manti makes a choice
that he's gonna spend the Draft in Hawaii.
720
00:43:35,321 --> 00:43:36,989
He's gonna surround himself
with his family.
721
00:43:37,072 --> 00:43:38,824
They're not gonna deal
with any of the circus.
722
00:43:38,907 --> 00:43:42,411
It is somewhere over my shoulder here
in one of these beach houses
723
00:43:42,494 --> 00:43:45,748
where the Te'os are sitting,
waiting to watch the Draft.
724
00:43:49,001 --> 00:43:51,629
We had everybody there,
and, you know, it was…
725
00:43:51,712 --> 00:43:53,547
We were all… we were all excited.
726
00:43:53,631 --> 00:43:56,216
My agent was telling me,
"We're gone the first day."
727
00:43:56,300 --> 00:43:59,720
Like, "You're getting picked.
It's just a matter of where and when."
728
00:43:59,803 --> 00:44:03,515
Manti Te'o, as we all know, uh,
was in the news in January.
729
00:44:03,599 --> 00:44:06,143
He jumped from the sports page
to the news page.
730
00:44:06,226 --> 00:44:11,690
There are many people out there interested
in his, uh, status for tonight's Draft.
731
00:44:11,774 --> 00:44:13,817
Where will he wind up?
732
00:44:13,901 --> 00:44:17,821
I really believe, Mooch,
that he's gonna get out of it tonight,
733
00:44:17,905 --> 00:44:20,532
heading somewhere on a plane
with a big smile on his face.
734
00:44:21,742 --> 00:44:26,121
With the first pick,
the Kansas City Chiefs select Eric Fisher.
735
00:44:26,955 --> 00:44:30,084
The Miami Dolphins select Dion Jordan.
736
00:44:30,167 --> 00:44:31,460
Lane Johnson.
737
00:44:31,543 --> 00:44:32,753
Jonathan Cooper.
738
00:44:32,836 --> 00:44:35,005
Eric Reid, defensive back.
739
00:44:35,506 --> 00:44:39,051
I remember
we were going through the Draft,
740
00:44:39,134 --> 00:44:41,303
and I knew
that the Giants really liked me,
741
00:44:41,387 --> 00:44:42,221
but…
742
00:44:43,263 --> 00:44:44,139
I…
743
00:44:44,973 --> 00:44:46,600
I just wasn't sure.
744
00:44:47,685 --> 00:44:51,647
-The New York Giants select Justin Pugh.
-[man] There you go, Coach.
745
00:44:51,730 --> 00:44:55,234
They didn't pick me up, and I'm like,
"Oh man. I'm not gonna get picked."
746
00:44:55,317 --> 00:44:57,444
And the Ravens were the last pick.
747
00:44:57,528 --> 00:45:00,489
So now it's up to, uh, the Ravens
to wrap this puppy up.
748
00:45:00,572 --> 00:45:02,449
And the commissioner comes up.
749
00:45:03,450 --> 00:45:06,453
[reporter] Here it is,
the final first-round selection
750
00:45:06,537 --> 00:45:07,913
of the Draft in 2013.
751
00:45:07,996 --> 00:45:10,416
I remember they said,
"With the 32nd pick…"
752
00:45:10,499 --> 00:45:14,962
With the 32nd pick in the 2013 NFL Draft…
753
00:45:15,045 --> 00:45:16,630
"…the Baltimore Ravens select…"
754
00:45:16,714 --> 00:45:18,841
…the Baltimore Ravens select…
755
00:45:18,924 --> 00:45:20,259
"Ma…"
756
00:45:20,342 --> 00:45:22,344
And my whole family went… [gasps]
757
00:45:22,928 --> 00:45:27,599
…Matt Elam. That concludes
the first round of the NFL Draft.
758
00:45:27,683 --> 00:45:29,101
I was shocked.
759
00:45:30,018 --> 00:45:35,274
I thought Manti could go anywhere
from 15 down to the Ravens at 32.
760
00:45:35,858 --> 00:45:38,777
Is it possible that you looked at him
761
00:45:38,861 --> 00:45:41,488
and you said, "I don't want the drama"?
762
00:45:41,572 --> 00:45:43,991
I don't think a lot of people
would've guessed back in December
763
00:45:44,074 --> 00:45:47,453
that Manti Te'o would not be
a first-round Draft pick,
764
00:45:47,536 --> 00:45:50,414
but certainly a lot has happened
between then and now.
765
00:45:50,497 --> 00:45:53,876
But even Manti has to be surprised,
because he truly believed
766
00:45:53,959 --> 00:45:58,172
that by the end of today, he would know
where he was going to be playing.
767
00:45:58,255 --> 00:46:00,090
Not only are the optics bad
768
00:46:00,174 --> 00:46:03,969
of sliding from the first round
into the second round of the NFL Draft,
769
00:46:04,052 --> 00:46:05,679
but maybe more importantly,
770
00:46:05,763 --> 00:46:08,932
the money and the contracts
change pretty drastically.
771
00:46:09,016 --> 00:46:12,561
So now, this incident had cost him
772
00:46:13,270 --> 00:46:17,775
not only, in some ways, his dignity
but millions and millions of dollars.
773
00:46:19,693 --> 00:46:22,404
I walked down to the beach,
and I just started bawling.
774
00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:28,535
I had a decision, man. I was like,
775
00:46:28,619 --> 00:46:32,539
"You can pout, but you got a whole family
over there celebrating you, dude."
776
00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,334
Like, "Go spend it with them."
777
00:46:35,417 --> 00:46:37,711
So I walked back over there,
hugged all my family.
778
00:46:37,795 --> 00:46:40,756
We were like,
"Man, we're gonna get picked up tomorrow."
779
00:46:41,340 --> 00:46:45,427
With the 38th selection
in the 2013 NFL Draft,
780
00:46:45,511 --> 00:46:47,763
the San Diego Chargers proudly select
781
00:46:48,514 --> 00:46:50,933
Manti Te'o, linebacker, Notre Dame.
782
00:46:51,016 --> 00:46:52,184
[crowd cheering]
783
00:46:53,435 --> 00:46:55,270
[commentator] And there it is!
784
00:46:55,354 --> 00:47:00,442
Manti Te'o, the last guy,
Todd, you had as a first-round grade.
785
00:47:00,526 --> 00:47:02,486
Mel, your best available…
786
00:47:02,986 --> 00:47:06,240
Man, when they announced my name,
oh man, that was…
787
00:47:06,323 --> 00:47:07,699
I was so happy, man.
788
00:47:07,783 --> 00:47:09,785
[all cheering]
789
00:47:45,112 --> 00:47:48,407
After this whole life as Lennay had ended,
790
00:47:48,490 --> 00:47:50,158
I couldn't give Lennay
any more of my time.
791
00:47:53,120 --> 00:47:55,080
And I remember telling myself,
792
00:47:55,163 --> 00:47:57,791
"You want to be a girl, so be a girl."
793
00:48:00,419 --> 00:48:03,213
I actually moved back home
to American Samoa.
794
00:48:04,298 --> 00:48:07,718
It was there where I got in touch
with the LGBTQ community.
795
00:48:08,343 --> 00:48:13,473
And in Samoa, there really is no terms
that specifically identify transgender.
796
00:48:13,974 --> 00:48:17,060
There's a huge community
known as fa'afafine.
797
00:48:17,561 --> 00:48:19,897
You can dress like a woman
or dress like a man.
798
00:48:22,024 --> 00:48:23,650
It's more widely accepted.
799
00:48:25,569 --> 00:48:28,155
I put myself on the back burner
for all those years,
800
00:48:28,238 --> 00:48:32,451
so moving forward,
I just had to start living my life.
801
00:48:32,534 --> 00:48:34,995
[serene music playing]
802
00:48:35,829 --> 00:48:39,374
And I wanted to be able
to live my life as trans.
803
00:48:45,505 --> 00:48:49,593
I used to think I'm never gonna be able
to show my face in public again.
804
00:48:51,637 --> 00:48:53,931
And then I was like, "Why wouldn't I?"
805
00:48:54,514 --> 00:48:57,017
Someone out there needs to hear my story,
806
00:48:57,100 --> 00:49:01,688
and someone out there needs to know
that there is that light of hope.
807
00:49:08,070 --> 00:49:09,404
I still feel horrible,
808
00:49:09,488 --> 00:49:12,574
and sometimes I wish
that everything had been undone.
809
00:49:13,450 --> 00:49:15,702
But then also another part of me was like,
810
00:49:15,786 --> 00:49:20,082
I learned so much about who I am today
811
00:49:20,165 --> 00:49:22,292
and, you know, who I want to become
812
00:49:22,376 --> 00:49:25,879
because of the lessons
that I learned through the life of Lennay.
813
00:49:30,968 --> 00:49:32,970
[crowd cheering]
814
00:49:39,476 --> 00:49:42,604
[Manti] I never will forget
my first preseason game.
815
00:49:44,356 --> 00:49:46,316
When I stood on that sideline…
816
00:49:48,485 --> 00:49:50,529
and I looked across the field,
817
00:49:52,155 --> 00:49:56,410
my… my feet just started to go numb.
818
00:49:56,910 --> 00:50:00,831
And it slowly went up my legs
till everything was tingling.
819
00:50:01,456 --> 00:50:04,334
And I remember
my… my fingers started to sweat,
820
00:50:04,418 --> 00:50:06,628
and everything just started to go numb.
821
00:50:07,504 --> 00:50:09,756
[commentator] Te'o did
a nice job of reading…
822
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:10,757
[Manti] Numb.
823
00:50:11,758 --> 00:50:14,553
First three years
with the Chargers were like that.
824
00:50:15,303 --> 00:50:16,221
Three years.
825
00:50:17,097 --> 00:50:18,765
And I remember praying,
826
00:50:18,849 --> 00:50:21,727
"Don't mess up, bro.
Just please make a play today."
827
00:50:21,810 --> 00:50:23,687
"Just make a play. Just make a play."
828
00:50:23,770 --> 00:50:25,605
[commentator] …just misses Andrew Luck.
829
00:50:25,689 --> 00:50:29,526
[Manti] Every time I stepped on that line,
that anxiety would build up again.
830
00:50:29,609 --> 00:50:31,319
[commentator] Players from solid programs…
831
00:50:31,403 --> 00:50:33,405
[Manti] Right, it's just like,
"Don't mess up, bro."
832
00:50:33,488 --> 00:50:34,823
Like, "Don't mess up."
833
00:50:34,906 --> 00:50:38,035
"Don't miss tackles.
Are you sure you know what you're doing?"
834
00:50:38,118 --> 00:50:42,247
And it was such a huge contrast
to that kid at Notre Dame.
835
00:50:42,330 --> 00:50:45,167
The football field,
that was my domain, you know.
836
00:50:45,250 --> 00:50:49,463
Like, when I'm on the football field,
I feel like nobody can beat me.
837
00:50:49,546 --> 00:50:52,799
And I played free, and I played fast,
and I played physical.
838
00:50:54,301 --> 00:50:56,762
And that was what made me great.
839
00:51:00,891 --> 00:51:02,476
Now I got to the NFL…
840
00:51:04,478 --> 00:51:06,063
and I'm questioning everything.
841
00:51:06,146 --> 00:51:07,814
[commentator]
We're keeping our eye on Te'o.
842
00:51:07,898 --> 00:51:09,399
[Alex] I do remember covering games
843
00:51:09,483 --> 00:51:12,778
where he would come outta the tunnel
and people would heckle him,
844
00:51:12,861 --> 00:51:14,905
and it just became something
he could never escape.
845
00:51:14,988 --> 00:51:18,658
What happened was what happened,
and what I'm here to do is play football,
846
00:51:18,742 --> 00:51:21,036
and, um, hopefully,
you know, guys saw that.
847
00:51:21,119 --> 00:51:22,871
He changed so much.
848
00:51:23,497 --> 00:51:25,248
He withdrew himself.
849
00:51:25,332 --> 00:51:27,125
Then the memes started coming out.
850
00:51:32,589 --> 00:51:34,674
The paper in San Diego came out
851
00:51:34,758 --> 00:51:38,929
with a cartoon of him
with his arm around nobody.
852
00:51:42,057 --> 00:51:48,021
Every day was just trying to figure out
how to get rid of this anxiety,
853
00:51:48,105 --> 00:51:51,024
how to get rid
of this numbness, this tingling, right?
854
00:51:51,108 --> 00:51:56,947
I'm trying to figure out
all these ways to reprogram myself.
855
00:51:57,030 --> 00:52:01,118
Right? [spluttering]
I'm watching inspirational talks,
856
00:52:01,201 --> 00:52:03,453
I'm watching old film of me,
857
00:52:03,537 --> 00:52:06,790
I'm trying to rediscover
who I was before everything.
858
00:52:13,547 --> 00:52:15,715
I started calling my agent up,
and I told my agent,
859
00:52:15,799 --> 00:52:17,759
"Tom, like, I need to see somebody."
860
00:52:17,843 --> 00:52:22,848
I was like, "I don't know what I have,
but it's something new, and I need help."
861
00:52:28,019 --> 00:52:31,648
My agent sent me to see this therapist,
and we're just talking in the lobby,
862
00:52:31,731 --> 00:52:35,735
just getting to know each other,
and I'm… I'm kind of laying down.
863
00:52:35,819 --> 00:52:38,196
"What's going on?"
In the back of my head, I'm like,
864
00:52:38,280 --> 00:52:42,284
"Nobody has a cure for this, man.
This guy, he's not gonna help me."
865
00:52:45,078 --> 00:52:48,081
And at the end, he says,
"Let me ask you a question."
866
00:52:48,165 --> 00:52:51,668
"Have you forgiven him?"
I said, "Who are you talking about?"
867
00:52:51,751 --> 00:52:54,838
He said, "Have you forgiven Ronaiah
for what he did to you?"
868
00:52:54,921 --> 00:52:57,632
And I said, "Yeah, I did."
He said, "Okay."
869
00:52:58,466 --> 00:53:00,552
"Let me ask you a second question."
870
00:53:02,470 --> 00:53:04,181
"Have you forgiven yourself?"
871
00:53:05,932 --> 00:53:08,602
I looked at him. I was like,
"What do you mean, forgiven myself?"
872
00:53:08,685 --> 00:53:12,564
He's like, "Have you forgiven yourself?"
I said, "Forgiven myself for what?"
873
00:53:13,690 --> 00:53:17,944
He's like, "Somebody like you
who's always been so confident,
874
00:53:18,695 --> 00:53:20,822
who's never questioned anything he's done,
875
00:53:20,906 --> 00:53:25,660
and all his success has been based
on him trusting in him,
876
00:53:27,245 --> 00:53:29,456
for you to go through
what you went through,
877
00:53:30,916 --> 00:53:33,251
deep down inside,
you're questioning yourself."
878
00:53:35,462 --> 00:53:37,047
"You have to forgive that kid."
879
00:53:39,216 --> 00:53:40,217
"It's okay, uce."
880
00:53:41,509 --> 00:53:43,970
"What happened to you is not your fault."
881
00:53:44,846 --> 00:53:45,680
"It's okay."
882
00:53:46,181 --> 00:53:47,432
"Forgive that kid."
883
00:53:47,515 --> 00:53:49,392
["Waiting" by Alice Boman playing]
884
00:53:51,561 --> 00:53:54,648
The key is this.
There's always gonna be that little kid
885
00:53:54,731 --> 00:53:56,650
that's gonna come up to you
because he loves you.
886
00:53:56,733 --> 00:54:00,654
But if you look at that little kid
like the way this dude just treated you,
887
00:54:00,737 --> 00:54:02,572
you're gonna ruin that little kid.
888
00:54:02,656 --> 00:54:05,367
That is my challenge every day.
889
00:54:05,450 --> 00:54:09,204
When somebody comes up to me
and says, "Manti, I'm a big fan of you,"
890
00:54:09,287 --> 00:54:11,748
that I don't think of the times
that hundreds of people said,
891
00:54:11,831 --> 00:54:13,458
"I'm a big fan. Let me take a picture,"
892
00:54:13,541 --> 00:54:15,877
and I took a picture with them,
and they made fun of me.
893
00:54:15,961 --> 00:54:19,506
If there's anything that I can do,
that's what I'mma do every day.
894
00:54:20,423 --> 00:54:21,299
You know?
895
00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:23,760
I'mma rise above all of that, bro.
896
00:54:24,803 --> 00:54:26,972
No matter how hard it is for me.
897
00:54:28,682 --> 00:54:31,184
I'mma look at all these people
who made fun of me
898
00:54:31,768 --> 00:54:34,688
and the people
who actually believed in me… [choking up]
899
00:54:35,897 --> 00:54:38,566
♪ Haven't had a dream… ♪
900
00:54:38,650 --> 00:54:42,237
I have to take a second to be like,
"They actually love me, man."
901
00:54:43,446 --> 00:54:46,157
"They love you.
They don't wanna make fun of you, bro."
902
00:54:46,783 --> 00:54:50,537
Treat them nice in a world
that's just spit on you.
903
00:54:51,037 --> 00:54:54,291
Remember all those people
in the stands that had the leis on.
904
00:54:59,045 --> 00:55:01,798
Because you're gonna have hundreds
and thousands and millions of people
905
00:55:01,881 --> 00:55:04,134
that tell you,
"You ain't worth nothing, man."
906
00:55:04,217 --> 00:55:07,053
But there's gonna be one that's gonna say,
"You're worth the world to me."
907
00:55:07,137 --> 00:55:09,014
And I play for that person.
908
00:55:09,097 --> 00:55:12,726
♪ I'm waiting ♪
909
00:55:14,311 --> 00:55:15,353
I'll take all this crap.
910
00:55:15,437 --> 00:55:18,315
I'll take all the jokes.
I'll take all the memes
911
00:55:18,815 --> 00:55:21,901
so that I can be an inspiration
to one who needs me to be.
912
00:55:22,861 --> 00:55:24,654
That's the whole reason
why I'm doing this.
913
00:55:28,908 --> 00:55:30,994
And I want everybody to know…
914
00:55:33,830 --> 00:55:37,500
that if Ronaiah ever watched this,
that I forgive him.
915
00:55:45,175 --> 00:55:49,763
And I hope and pray
that him and his family is cool,
916
00:55:51,598 --> 00:55:53,224
'cause that's all that I can wish for him.
917
00:55:54,642 --> 00:55:57,228
Allegations against one basketball ref
918
00:55:57,312 --> 00:56:00,732
of betting the outcome of games
is rocking the NBA.
919
00:56:01,691 --> 00:56:04,402
[man 1] Man, did I fuck my life up.
920
00:56:04,486 --> 00:56:05,779
[tense music playing]
921
00:56:05,862 --> 00:56:10,784
Just like the feel-good hit of the summer,
the Manti Te'o story isn't real.
922
00:56:11,368 --> 00:56:13,036
[man 2] A cruel, twisted hoax.
923
00:56:14,454 --> 00:56:17,624
It was the longest winning streak
in the history of sport.
924
00:56:18,208 --> 00:56:22,337
[man 3] This is the finest day
in the history of Australian sports.
925
00:56:22,420 --> 00:56:25,590
[man 4]
AND1 was making millions of dollars,
926
00:56:25,673 --> 00:56:27,258
but did they respect us?
927
00:56:27,842 --> 00:56:30,678
[man 5] AND1 basketball, baby!
928
00:56:30,762 --> 00:56:33,598
[man 6] Shut your fucking mouth.
Keep it between us.
929
00:56:34,182 --> 00:56:36,309
Stick to the fucking story.
930
00:56:36,893 --> 00:56:39,020
[woman]
Does not get any stranger than this one.
931
00:56:39,104 --> 00:56:40,897
[reporter 1]
Donaghy is under investigation by…
932
00:56:40,980 --> 00:56:43,233
[reporter 2]
It's front-page news all over town.
933
00:56:44,275 --> 00:56:49,197
She physically did not exist outside
of being Manti Te'o's dead girlfriend.
934
00:56:50,949 --> 00:56:55,412
And I was like, "Boy, that would be
fucking crazy if it were true!" [laughs]
935
00:56:56,246 --> 00:56:59,833
[tense music fades out]