1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 3 00:00:51,718 --> 00:00:52,802 Damn it. 4 00:02:06,918 --> 00:02:08,169 Fuck! 5 00:02:09,337 --> 00:02:10,463 Fuck! 6 00:03:09,314 --> 00:03:14,319 I'm willing to struggle through the learning process, 7 00:03:14,402 --> 00:03:16,571 even change my approach 8 00:03:16,654 --> 00:03:18,448 just to figure out how to do it. 9 00:03:24,203 --> 00:03:26,372 I never want to back down from a challenge. 10 00:03:31,544 --> 00:03:36,007 If you're convinced that you're going to fail, 11 00:03:36,090 --> 00:03:38,009 that will come to fruition. 12 00:03:55,234 --> 00:03:58,655 I was willing to get hurt along the way, 13 00:03:58,738 --> 00:04:02,241 but I didn't visualize myself getting hurt along the way. 14 00:04:07,789 --> 00:04:10,959 I always approached it like, "This is going to work." 15 00:04:13,419 --> 00:04:15,213 "I'm going to figure this out." 16 00:05:05,972 --> 00:05:07,682 My mom used to like to tell the story 17 00:05:07,765 --> 00:05:10,560 that when she would play tennis with me, 18 00:05:10,643 --> 00:05:14,397 I would purposely just try to hit her with the balls. 19 00:05:18,651 --> 00:05:19,694 She scolded me at one point. 20 00:05:19,777 --> 00:05:20,695 She's like, 21 00:05:20,778 --> 00:05:23,656 "I think you're trying to hit me, Tony. 22 00:05:23,740 --> 00:05:24,866 "I'm not going to play with you 23 00:05:24,949 --> 00:05:26,909 if you're just trying to hurt me." 24 00:05:30,163 --> 00:05:32,373 I don't know what my disorder was, 25 00:05:32,457 --> 00:05:36,252 but I was definitely difficult. 26 00:05:36,335 --> 00:05:38,087 I was determined to have my way 27 00:05:38,171 --> 00:05:42,216 to the point of being very combative. 28 00:05:43,551 --> 00:05:46,471 My mom would say that I was-- 29 00:05:46,554 --> 00:05:48,639 she just said I was very determined. 30 00:05:52,268 --> 00:05:53,644 I was really young, 31 00:05:53,728 --> 00:05:56,731 but I remember my mom was so frustrated with me 32 00:05:56,814 --> 00:05:58,066 'cause I just wouldn't do what she said. 33 00:05:58,149 --> 00:06:00,026 I wanted to do something, I wanted to do something else, 34 00:06:00,109 --> 00:06:02,904 I--and she finally just said, 35 00:06:02,987 --> 00:06:06,032 "If you don't stop being difficult, 36 00:06:06,115 --> 00:06:08,159 I'm going to flush myself down the toilet." 37 00:06:08,242 --> 00:06:11,287 I didn't believe it, I didn't care, I didn't quit, 38 00:06:11,370 --> 00:06:15,917 and she went in the bathroom and flushed the toilet and hid. 39 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:19,295 She watched me lean over, the toilet is swirling, going, 40 00:06:19,378 --> 00:06:21,923 "My mommy!" 41 00:06:33,226 --> 00:06:36,646 - I think she is in the beauty parlor. 42 00:06:36,729 --> 00:06:37,855 - Oh, really? 43 00:06:37,939 --> 00:06:39,023 both: Hi. 44 00:06:41,025 --> 00:06:43,152 - I'm gonna pull her out whenever she's done. 45 00:06:43,236 --> 00:06:44,278 - Okay. 46 00:06:44,362 --> 00:06:45,279 - All right, thank you. 47 00:06:45,363 --> 00:06:46,781 - Thank you. Bye-bye. 48 00:07:01,045 --> 00:07:02,922 - Hi, Mom. 49 00:07:03,005 --> 00:07:04,382 Hi, Mom, it's Tony. 50 00:07:04,465 --> 00:07:06,050 How are you? 51 00:07:09,762 --> 00:07:12,181 How have you been? You look good. 52 00:07:12,265 --> 00:07:14,225 I leave for Montreal next week 53 00:07:14,308 --> 00:07:16,435 for another one of those skate contests. 54 00:07:18,688 --> 00:07:22,108 Keegan is turning 18 in a couple weeks... 55 00:07:24,277 --> 00:07:26,821 Which is a frightening prospect. 56 00:07:26,904 --> 00:07:28,906 And then once Calvin is out, we only have Kady. 57 00:07:28,990 --> 00:07:31,492 It's gonna be crazy. 58 00:07:31,576 --> 00:07:32,660 But I guess by that time, 59 00:07:32,743 --> 00:07:33,911 the older kids will move back in. 60 00:07:33,995 --> 00:07:35,538 Isn't that what they do? 61 00:07:39,542 --> 00:07:41,085 Maybe not. Your kids didn't. 62 00:07:44,755 --> 00:07:46,883 'Cause you taught us to be independent. 63 00:07:57,894 --> 00:07:59,103 It was always a big deal 64 00:07:59,187 --> 00:08:01,522 that my mom was 43 when she had me. 65 00:08:03,608 --> 00:08:04,859 People would say, 66 00:08:04,942 --> 00:08:06,402 "Oh, she's much older," you know? 67 00:08:06,485 --> 00:08:08,988 And, "There are lots of risks involved." 68 00:08:09,071 --> 00:08:11,365 - Tony and I are 20 years apart. 69 00:08:11,449 --> 00:08:12,700 I was a junior in college 70 00:08:12,783 --> 00:08:15,244 when my mom told me she was pregnant. 71 00:08:15,328 --> 00:08:17,538 - I was a senior in high school. 72 00:08:17,622 --> 00:08:21,375 All of Tony's siblings, including me, we're older. 73 00:08:21,459 --> 00:08:24,086 - I'm 12 1/2 years older than Tony, 74 00:08:24,170 --> 00:08:25,838 so when he was young, especially, 75 00:08:25,922 --> 00:08:29,759 our relationship was almost as much... 76 00:08:29,842 --> 00:08:31,761 paternal as fraternal. 77 00:08:31,844 --> 00:08:33,763 - I was basically an only child, 78 00:08:33,846 --> 00:08:38,059 and my parents were old enough to be my grandparents. 79 00:08:38,142 --> 00:08:41,395 - He was stuck at home with my mom and dad 80 00:08:41,479 --> 00:08:44,065 at a time when their marriage wasn't so great. 81 00:08:44,148 --> 00:08:45,900 - My dad wasn't working a lot. 82 00:08:45,983 --> 00:08:48,152 He had been retired from the Navy 83 00:08:48,236 --> 00:08:51,113 and kind of finding his way. 84 00:08:51,197 --> 00:08:52,323 - My brother was a surfer. 85 00:08:52,406 --> 00:08:55,785 He drove him, you know, dawn patrol to get the waves. 86 00:08:55,868 --> 00:08:57,370 My sister was a singer. 87 00:08:57,453 --> 00:08:59,622 He was hauling all their band gear. 88 00:08:59,705 --> 00:09:03,209 He was the coach of our baseball team. 89 00:09:04,502 --> 00:09:07,088 The first time I ever went to bat in Little League, 90 00:09:07,171 --> 00:09:09,006 I was probably about eight or nine. 91 00:09:09,090 --> 00:09:11,550 I knew I was gonna hit it. I was gonna get a home run. 92 00:09:11,634 --> 00:09:12,802 Failure was not an option. 93 00:09:12,885 --> 00:09:15,596 I didn't even consider what would happen if I struck out. 94 00:09:15,680 --> 00:09:17,306 And then I remember striking out 95 00:09:17,390 --> 00:09:19,308 and thinking the world had ended. 96 00:09:21,060 --> 00:09:25,606 I always felt a little misplaced 97 00:09:25,690 --> 00:09:28,109 in all of those sports. 98 00:09:28,192 --> 00:09:29,944 I couldn't do the physical things 99 00:09:30,027 --> 00:09:31,279 that most of my peers could do 100 00:09:31,362 --> 00:09:33,656 because they were bigger and they were stronger, 101 00:09:33,739 --> 00:09:36,450 and so I was always just feeling uncomfortable 102 00:09:36,534 --> 00:09:39,662 and kind of disappointed in myself. 103 00:09:39,745 --> 00:09:42,456 - People would say, "Oh, you have adult children, 104 00:09:42,540 --> 00:09:44,750 and you have-- and you have Tony?" 105 00:09:44,834 --> 00:09:47,837 She goes, "Yeah, he's our little mistake." 106 00:09:49,839 --> 00:09:52,008 - I really do think that that played a role 107 00:09:52,091 --> 00:09:56,554 in his, um...his psyche. 108 00:09:56,637 --> 00:09:59,348 That she would have had an abortion if she could have 109 00:09:59,432 --> 00:10:00,641 in some ways, I think, 110 00:10:00,725 --> 00:10:04,020 maybe made him want to prove himself. 111 00:10:04,103 --> 00:10:06,230 - Bye, Mom. I love you. We'll see you soon, okay? 112 00:10:09,984 --> 00:10:12,820 - Thanks for the visit. Enjoy your lunch. 113 00:10:17,616 --> 00:10:19,035 Do you see me now? 114 00:10:31,881 --> 00:10:35,051 My mom was always careful with her words, 115 00:10:35,134 --> 00:10:36,677 always positive. 116 00:10:36,761 --> 00:10:38,387 And then, I think, one day, 117 00:10:38,471 --> 00:10:40,222 I was just pushing her buttons, 118 00:10:40,306 --> 00:10:42,641 and she's like, "You know, you're just full of it. 119 00:10:42,725 --> 00:10:44,435 You're just full of it, Tony. Full of it." 120 00:10:44,518 --> 00:10:46,687 I'm like, "What?" She goes, "You're full of... 121 00:10:46,771 --> 00:10:47,980 "shit. 122 00:10:48,064 --> 00:10:49,065 You're full of shit." 123 00:10:49,148 --> 00:10:50,858 And I was like... 124 00:10:50,941 --> 00:10:53,736 - Tony was a bit of a dick when he was little. 125 00:10:53,819 --> 00:10:55,696 Stubborn as fuck. 126 00:10:55,780 --> 00:10:57,656 He and my dad would bicker like crazy. 127 00:10:57,740 --> 00:10:59,158 I got along with Tony way better 128 00:10:59,241 --> 00:11:00,701 when it was just the two of us. 129 00:11:00,785 --> 00:11:02,244 So I would often go off-- we'd go off, 130 00:11:02,328 --> 00:11:03,954 go to the beach or go someplace. 131 00:11:04,038 --> 00:11:06,582 - And I remember he and his friend were skating 132 00:11:06,665 --> 00:11:08,542 in the alleyway, 133 00:11:08,626 --> 00:11:10,086 and there was another skateboard, 134 00:11:10,169 --> 00:11:12,505 this older one that was just sitting there, 135 00:11:12,588 --> 00:11:15,007 and I said, "Well, can I try that one?" 136 00:11:15,091 --> 00:11:18,094 I just was going down the alley, 137 00:11:18,177 --> 00:11:20,262 yelling back, "How do I turn? How do I turn?" 138 00:11:20,346 --> 00:11:22,098 And then I eventually ran into the fence. 139 00:11:22,181 --> 00:11:23,599 It wasn't like the skies parted 140 00:11:23,682 --> 00:11:25,559 and there was some great revelation. 141 00:11:25,643 --> 00:11:28,646 It was more like, "Oh, this is hard." 142 00:11:32,858 --> 00:11:35,945 - You know, that skateboard has gone on to be kind of a thing. 143 00:11:36,028 --> 00:11:38,948 It's now--we-- it's in the Smithsonian. 144 00:11:40,199 --> 00:11:41,659 - Freedom. 145 00:11:41,742 --> 00:11:45,246 I'm moving fast, but I'm in control 146 00:11:45,329 --> 00:11:47,456 and I'm flowing. 147 00:11:47,540 --> 00:11:49,708 I could just cruise the landscape. 148 00:11:49,792 --> 00:11:52,086 Going down hills. 149 00:11:52,169 --> 00:11:55,589 Terrible ramps in our driveway. 150 00:11:55,673 --> 00:11:58,008 Everything about it spoke to me. 151 00:11:58,092 --> 00:11:59,176 - He just needed focus, 152 00:11:59,260 --> 00:12:02,304 and so when he started focusing and skateboarding, 153 00:12:02,388 --> 00:12:04,140 he changed. 154 00:12:10,729 --> 00:12:11,981 - He just calmed down. 155 00:12:12,064 --> 00:12:13,607 He just walked through the world 156 00:12:13,691 --> 00:12:18,154 with a lot more kind of maturity and generosity. 157 00:12:19,822 --> 00:12:23,159 - The main skate park in San Diego was called Oasis. 158 00:12:23,242 --> 00:12:25,995 It was just under a freeway overpass. 159 00:12:26,078 --> 00:12:27,413 And we would see it, and it was like, 160 00:12:27,496 --> 00:12:29,290 "Oh, there's Oasis." 161 00:12:29,373 --> 00:12:32,251 Older kids going way faster 162 00:12:32,334 --> 00:12:34,378 than I had ever seen anyone on a skateboard. 163 00:12:37,256 --> 00:12:40,843 And it just looked scary as hell. 164 00:12:40,926 --> 00:12:43,554 There were these five craters, 165 00:12:43,637 --> 00:12:45,723 and I was going down the crater and up 166 00:12:45,806 --> 00:12:46,891 and then down the crater and up, 167 00:12:46,974 --> 00:12:48,684 and I thought that was super cool. 168 00:12:48,767 --> 00:12:51,187 And this big kid came flying up, 169 00:12:51,270 --> 00:12:53,689 and he jumped over the middle crater, 170 00:12:53,772 --> 00:12:57,359 and I was like, "How did that just happen?" 171 00:12:57,443 --> 00:12:59,195 I just couldn't believe what I saw, 172 00:12:59,278 --> 00:13:01,280 and I said, "Oh, this is it. 173 00:13:01,363 --> 00:13:03,324 I'm doing this. This is my life." 174 00:13:05,242 --> 00:13:07,995 I quit playing baseball and basketball. 175 00:13:19,173 --> 00:13:20,883 - I remember once when I was home from college, 176 00:13:20,966 --> 00:13:22,384 my mom asked me to go pick him up 177 00:13:22,468 --> 00:13:23,552 at the Oasis skate park 178 00:13:23,636 --> 00:13:26,889 because dinner was almost ready. 179 00:13:26,972 --> 00:13:29,433 So I was just gonna run down there and grab him, 180 00:13:29,517 --> 00:13:30,893 but he was in the process 181 00:13:30,976 --> 00:13:32,728 of learning frontside rock and rolls. 182 00:13:32,811 --> 00:13:34,980 And he was getting close, and so of course, 183 00:13:35,064 --> 00:13:37,566 you know, the closer you get, the more you slam, and-- 184 00:13:37,650 --> 00:13:38,692 but he was young enough 185 00:13:38,776 --> 00:13:41,028 where he was actually crying, I think, over this. 186 00:13:41,111 --> 00:13:43,697 And I'm like, "Tony, come on, we got to go." 187 00:13:43,781 --> 00:13:45,074 And he's like, "I'm gonna make"-- 188 00:13:45,157 --> 00:13:47,785 Just, I wasn't even there, you know? 189 00:13:47,868 --> 00:13:53,415 And then finally, he made one clean and rolled away. 190 00:13:53,499 --> 00:13:57,545 And it was like everything kind of lifted. 191 00:13:57,628 --> 00:14:00,297 And he didn't, like, run over and give me a high five. 192 00:14:00,381 --> 00:14:02,049 It was like-- "Okay." 193 00:14:03,884 --> 00:14:06,637 And I've seen that in him a bunch 194 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:07,930 when he's learning something. 195 00:14:08,013 --> 00:14:10,432 He'll get really pissed off, 196 00:14:10,516 --> 00:14:13,602 and then as soon as he makes it, 197 00:14:13,686 --> 00:14:18,816 he's back to being his nice, normal Tony Hawk self. 198 00:14:29,952 --> 00:14:33,581 - I knew of Stacy's name because of the Dogtown crew. 199 00:14:33,664 --> 00:14:36,709 And so I knew more of his reputation 200 00:14:36,792 --> 00:14:38,460 than his skating. 201 00:14:38,544 --> 00:14:40,045 - Stacy had been there. 202 00:14:40,129 --> 00:14:41,380 You know, he'd blazed the trail. 203 00:14:41,463 --> 00:14:42,798 He had been a pro. 204 00:14:42,881 --> 00:14:45,634 He knew what that was all about. 205 00:14:45,718 --> 00:14:47,803 - He was just this iconic figure. 206 00:14:47,886 --> 00:14:49,972 He formed the Bones Brigade. 207 00:14:55,769 --> 00:14:57,021 - He just seemed like this sort of-- 208 00:14:57,104 --> 00:14:58,772 I wouldn't say father figure, 209 00:14:58,856 --> 00:15:01,150 but definitely a figurehead of skateboarding. 210 00:15:03,694 --> 00:15:06,155 - I was a fixture at every one of these contests. 211 00:15:06,238 --> 00:15:07,615 I was at every pro contest. 212 00:15:07,698 --> 00:15:09,783 I was at every amateur contest. 213 00:15:12,911 --> 00:15:15,247 Tony did not display 214 00:15:15,331 --> 00:15:18,042 any physical talent. 215 00:15:18,125 --> 00:15:20,669 You could watch Tony as a 13-year-old kid 216 00:15:20,753 --> 00:15:23,213 and go, "Dime a dozen," 217 00:15:23,297 --> 00:15:26,925 because he was so weak and so skinny 218 00:15:27,009 --> 00:15:31,555 that he skated as if he was being operated by a puppeteer. 219 00:15:31,639 --> 00:15:33,974 He was just this kind of, like, guy like this. 220 00:15:35,184 --> 00:15:38,646 But the one thing that he did have is, 221 00:15:38,729 --> 00:15:42,149 you could see in this little weakling of a kid 222 00:15:42,232 --> 00:15:45,819 this intense determination. 223 00:15:45,903 --> 00:15:48,364 You could see in there, there was a mind going, 224 00:15:48,447 --> 00:15:50,366 "Do this! Do this!" 225 00:15:54,953 --> 00:15:56,163 - One time, I was at the skate park, 226 00:15:56,246 --> 00:15:57,873 and the Bones Brigade showed up. 227 00:15:57,956 --> 00:15:59,416 And you just knew it immediately. 228 00:15:59,500 --> 00:16:01,251 Like, there was a hush in the skate park. 229 00:16:08,425 --> 00:16:10,219 Everyone on the team were considered 230 00:16:10,302 --> 00:16:11,553 some of the best skaters. 231 00:16:11,637 --> 00:16:13,389 And Stacy was walking in with these guys, 232 00:16:13,472 --> 00:16:16,058 and they all had these, like, cool-colored helmets 233 00:16:16,141 --> 00:16:18,560 and their Bones Brigade shirts. 234 00:16:18,644 --> 00:16:21,772 And I was just like, "This is the future." 235 00:16:21,855 --> 00:16:23,732 - I remember Stacy was at the park, and I'm like, 236 00:16:23,816 --> 00:16:26,527 "Hey, is there any way I can get on your guys' thing?" 237 00:16:26,610 --> 00:16:29,071 Like, "Hey, man, 238 00:16:29,154 --> 00:16:32,199 "I think you should just stick with G&S. 239 00:16:32,282 --> 00:16:34,034 You'd be better on them, man." 240 00:16:34,118 --> 00:16:38,205 He probably had the vision of the Brigade right then. 241 00:16:38,288 --> 00:16:41,625 And maybe he was like, "It's not gonna work, dog." 242 00:16:41,709 --> 00:16:44,712 - Stacy was gonna get his own little phenoms 243 00:16:44,795 --> 00:16:46,547 and younger guys and build it up. 244 00:16:46,630 --> 00:16:48,549 So I was like, "Wow, I can get on the team." 245 00:16:53,595 --> 00:16:54,805 - You know, Stacy Peralta 246 00:16:54,888 --> 00:16:58,934 was a cool kind of, like, mentor 247 00:16:59,017 --> 00:17:02,271 for me at 12 years old riding for Bones Brigade. 248 00:17:02,354 --> 00:17:03,564 There came a point where I was like, 249 00:17:03,647 --> 00:17:04,982 "I want to turn pro." 250 00:17:05,065 --> 00:17:07,609 Stacy was like, "No, you're not ready." 251 00:17:07,693 --> 00:17:09,570 - I lost Christian Hosoi. 252 00:17:09,653 --> 00:17:12,030 His dad didn't think I was moving his career along 253 00:17:12,114 --> 00:17:14,575 fast enough, so I had a vacancy. 254 00:17:14,658 --> 00:17:16,994 And I had been watching Tony. 255 00:17:17,077 --> 00:17:20,497 - He kind of summoned me to Marina del Rey. 256 00:17:20,581 --> 00:17:22,875 My brother offered to drive me up there. 257 00:17:22,958 --> 00:17:25,627 We got up there, he handed me this experimental 258 00:17:25,711 --> 00:17:28,297 Steve Caballero model skateboard, 259 00:17:28,380 --> 00:17:31,341 and I just started skating, and I jumped the channel. 260 00:17:31,425 --> 00:17:34,178 And that was no small feat to jump the Marina channel. 261 00:17:34,261 --> 00:17:35,471 That thing was big. 262 00:17:35,554 --> 00:17:36,972 And basically, he said, 263 00:17:37,055 --> 00:17:38,474 "If you want to be on the Bones Brigade, 264 00:17:38,557 --> 00:17:40,267 we'd love to have you." 265 00:17:40,350 --> 00:17:42,519 - He realized this kid's got grit. 266 00:17:42,603 --> 00:17:43,812 He doesn't give up. 267 00:17:43,896 --> 00:17:46,899 He's also really skilled. 268 00:17:46,982 --> 00:17:48,901 He's also gonna get bigger and get stronger. 269 00:18:05,375 --> 00:18:08,003 - When I was officially on the team of Powell, 270 00:18:08,086 --> 00:18:10,881 that was way scarier than anything else, 271 00:18:10,964 --> 00:18:13,634 where it was suddenly like I was on this next level 272 00:18:13,717 --> 00:18:18,138 of team, of ability, of belief, 273 00:18:18,222 --> 00:18:22,267 and I had so much more to prove. 274 00:18:22,351 --> 00:18:24,520 - The first time I saw Tony, I was like, 275 00:18:24,603 --> 00:18:26,313 "Look at this little kid." 276 00:18:26,396 --> 00:18:30,526 He was probably, I don't know, 60 pounds wet, maybe. 277 00:18:30,609 --> 00:18:31,819 - We were in a hot tub. 278 00:18:31,902 --> 00:18:35,531 We were hazing him like he's the new guy on the team. 279 00:18:35,614 --> 00:18:37,115 I said, "Hey, dude, if you want to--you know, 280 00:18:37,199 --> 00:18:38,367 "if you want to be part of the crew, 281 00:18:38,450 --> 00:18:40,244 you're gonna have to give me your gum." 282 00:18:40,327 --> 00:18:42,704 And I stuck it in between my toes. 283 00:18:42,788 --> 00:18:44,122 And then I gave it back to him. 284 00:18:44,206 --> 00:18:45,666 I go, "You're gonna have to chew this gum 285 00:18:45,749 --> 00:18:47,000 if you want to be part of the crew." 286 00:18:47,084 --> 00:18:48,836 And he did. 287 00:18:48,919 --> 00:18:50,003 - Now with Tony Hawk. 288 00:18:50,087 --> 00:18:51,380 Tony just finished that first round. 289 00:18:51,463 --> 00:18:53,382 Do you think you're gonna make the next cut to eight? 290 00:18:53,465 --> 00:18:55,342 - Uh, I think I have a pretty good chance, 291 00:18:55,425 --> 00:18:57,177 because I stayed on my board, 292 00:18:57,261 --> 00:18:59,263 and that's pretty tough to do in a competition. 293 00:18:59,346 --> 00:19:02,140 - Who do you think your competition's gonna be today? 294 00:19:02,224 --> 00:19:04,768 - Uh, probably-- I'm gonna have a tough time 295 00:19:04,852 --> 00:19:06,770 beating pretty much anyone who entered. 296 00:19:06,854 --> 00:19:10,858 Mainly Lance Mountain, Mike McGill, Stevie Caballero. 297 00:19:17,281 --> 00:19:20,367 - He was a nightmare. Total nightmare. 298 00:19:20,450 --> 00:19:22,202 Complete, total nightmare. 299 00:19:22,286 --> 00:19:24,913 I remember when I first picked him up on the team, 300 00:19:24,997 --> 00:19:26,832 we were at the Upland skateboard park, 301 00:19:26,915 --> 00:19:28,375 and I said, "Well, I'm gonna take you home." 302 00:19:28,458 --> 00:19:30,878 And he goes, "No, I want to go to Chuck E. Cheese." 303 00:19:30,961 --> 00:19:31,962 And I go, "What's that?" 304 00:19:32,045 --> 00:19:33,922 He goes, "I want to go to Chuck E. Cheese." 305 00:19:34,006 --> 00:19:35,090 And I go, "Yeah, what is it?" 306 00:19:35,173 --> 00:19:36,842 He goes, "It's a pizza place where you can play games." 307 00:19:36,925 --> 00:19:38,552 I go, "I'm not going there." 308 00:19:43,891 --> 00:19:45,100 It was a Chuck E. Cheese. 309 00:19:45,183 --> 00:19:46,727 I know what he's talking about. 310 00:19:52,816 --> 00:19:55,569 There was a-- I'm a creature of habit, 311 00:19:55,652 --> 00:19:57,571 and so when we would go skate Upland, 312 00:19:57,654 --> 00:19:58,864 there were only a few restaurants 313 00:19:58,947 --> 00:20:02,951 that I would allow myself to go to. 314 00:20:03,035 --> 00:20:04,995 And Lamppost Pizza was one of them. 315 00:20:05,078 --> 00:20:07,414 Like, a mild version of Chuck E. Cheese. 316 00:20:07,497 --> 00:20:10,459 It was lots of games and counter service. 317 00:20:10,542 --> 00:20:13,962 And they weren't known for their cuisine. 318 00:20:14,046 --> 00:20:15,714 - He got me to take him there. 319 00:20:15,797 --> 00:20:17,507 It was the worst nightmare of my life, 320 00:20:17,591 --> 00:20:19,134 but I'm sitting there going, 321 00:20:19,217 --> 00:20:21,720 "This 13-year-old brat just got me to do something 322 00:20:21,803 --> 00:20:23,347 "I was firmly against doing. 323 00:20:23,430 --> 00:20:25,140 He's got some power." 324 00:20:25,223 --> 00:20:27,643 Just the décor and the sounds 325 00:20:27,726 --> 00:20:30,604 and all the awful food. 326 00:20:30,687 --> 00:20:33,523 And I remember just thinking, "I'm never doing this again. 327 00:20:33,607 --> 00:20:36,360 I'm never coming back to this place again." 328 00:20:36,443 --> 00:20:37,778 - Stacy had the worst job. 329 00:20:37,861 --> 00:20:39,696 I mean, he was-- 330 00:20:39,780 --> 00:20:41,406 he curated this awesome team, 331 00:20:41,490 --> 00:20:43,075 but we were all kids in our own right, 332 00:20:43,158 --> 00:20:45,619 and we're all with our own issues 333 00:20:45,702 --> 00:20:49,331 and looking for validation, looking for support. 334 00:20:49,414 --> 00:20:53,377 And suddenly, he had to be this surrogate dad. 335 00:20:53,460 --> 00:20:55,337 - I think the first time I saw Tony skate 336 00:20:55,420 --> 00:20:58,131 was at Kona Skatepark. 337 00:20:58,215 --> 00:21:00,717 I had just gotten on the team, 338 00:21:00,801 --> 00:21:03,428 and they all came from out west. 339 00:21:03,512 --> 00:21:05,222 And I remember meeting him, 340 00:21:05,305 --> 00:21:06,848 and I was so-- 341 00:21:06,932 --> 00:21:09,351 I tripped out because of how skinny he was. 342 00:21:09,434 --> 00:21:11,478 It was as though he had a hard time 343 00:21:11,561 --> 00:21:13,146 getting up the wall. 344 00:21:13,230 --> 00:21:16,900 But the control he had was insane. 345 00:21:17,734 --> 00:21:21,446 Immediately, you got a sense that he's entirely different. 346 00:21:22,948 --> 00:21:25,826 - Rodney Mullen, like, he and I were on 347 00:21:25,909 --> 00:21:29,162 complete parallel trajectories with our skating. 348 00:21:29,246 --> 00:21:32,791 Rodney was the absolute best freestyler in the world, 349 00:21:32,874 --> 00:21:37,379 a precision level like no other athlete 350 00:21:37,462 --> 00:21:41,049 or performer you've ever seen. 351 00:21:41,133 --> 00:21:44,386 - Because we skated completely different, 352 00:21:44,469 --> 00:21:47,806 that made it easier for me to relate to him, in a sense. 353 00:21:47,889 --> 00:21:50,225 I never had to compete against Tony. 354 00:21:54,646 --> 00:21:57,190 Stacy would ship me down, and I would stay with Tony, 355 00:21:57,274 --> 00:21:59,693 practice for the week at Del Mar. 356 00:21:59,776 --> 00:22:04,197 That's when a real sense of connection, for me, 357 00:22:04,281 --> 00:22:06,575 I had with Tony more than any other skater. 358 00:22:09,953 --> 00:22:11,538 - No one understood us. 359 00:22:13,123 --> 00:22:14,750 But we understood each other. 360 00:22:24,885 --> 00:22:28,305 - I think watching Tony learn and fall 361 00:22:28,388 --> 00:22:31,224 is more interesting than watching him land tricks, 362 00:22:31,308 --> 00:22:34,144 because you can see how fast he rifles 363 00:22:34,227 --> 00:22:36,730 to something called the calculus of variations, 364 00:22:36,813 --> 00:22:38,732 of how he corrects himself 365 00:22:38,815 --> 00:22:41,568 and gets to the right spot fast. 366 00:22:41,651 --> 00:22:45,614 That, to this day, is unparalleled. 367 00:22:45,697 --> 00:22:49,743 - Tony was able to figure out how to overcome 368 00:22:49,826 --> 00:22:51,745 all of the things he didn't have 369 00:22:51,828 --> 00:22:53,747 in order to get what he wanted. 370 00:22:53,830 --> 00:22:55,248 For instance, 371 00:22:55,332 --> 00:22:57,417 when skateboarders originally did aerials, 372 00:22:57,501 --> 00:22:59,086 they'd go up the side of the pool, 373 00:22:59,169 --> 00:23:00,712 and they'd pull the board off 374 00:23:00,796 --> 00:23:02,798 and kind of do a leap into the air. 375 00:23:02,881 --> 00:23:04,132 Tony couldn't do that. 376 00:23:04,216 --> 00:23:06,843 He didn't have the strength to leap. 377 00:23:06,927 --> 00:23:10,055 Most guys touch the board, grab it, leap into the air. 378 00:23:10,138 --> 00:23:13,767 Tony figures out, "I'll ollie into my aerials." 379 00:23:13,850 --> 00:23:16,812 He doesn't touch the board until he's in the air. 380 00:23:16,895 --> 00:23:18,313 You never break your speed. 381 00:23:18,396 --> 00:23:20,107 It's one bang. 382 00:23:20,190 --> 00:23:22,484 Well, we discover it's much more efficient 383 00:23:22,567 --> 00:23:23,944 to do it that way. 384 00:23:25,028 --> 00:23:26,613 - When I figured that out, 385 00:23:26,696 --> 00:23:29,282 that changed everything for me. 386 00:23:29,366 --> 00:23:31,409 I started doing varials and finger flips 387 00:23:31,493 --> 00:23:32,828 way up in the air. 388 00:23:32,911 --> 00:23:34,663 - But of course, when he first did it, 389 00:23:34,746 --> 00:23:35,914 people thought he was cheating. 390 00:23:35,997 --> 00:23:37,207 "That's cheating." 391 00:23:37,290 --> 00:23:39,167 It's a technique. How can you be cheating? 392 00:23:39,251 --> 00:23:41,461 "It's cheating." They thought it was cheating. 393 00:23:41,545 --> 00:23:44,673 You know, and at that time, skateboarding was dominated 394 00:23:44,756 --> 00:23:47,384 by balls-out pool riders, 395 00:23:47,467 --> 00:23:49,344 Duane Peters, people like that 396 00:23:49,427 --> 00:23:52,514 that really had power and flair. 397 00:23:52,597 --> 00:23:53,890 And here comes Tony Hawk 398 00:23:53,974 --> 00:23:56,101 with all these weird little flip tricks. 399 00:23:56,184 --> 00:23:59,479 Those guys are looking at him and going, "What is this?" 400 00:23:59,563 --> 00:24:01,481 - A lot of that shit, dude, I mean, 401 00:24:01,565 --> 00:24:04,025 I still can't understand it when I look at it. 402 00:24:04,109 --> 00:24:08,321 It's like fuckin' flippy doo-da-day bullshit. 403 00:24:08,405 --> 00:24:11,283 Go fucking play with your sister's baton, bro. 404 00:24:13,994 --> 00:24:15,162 - Want me to do it again? 405 00:24:15,245 --> 00:24:16,705 - Yeah, go ahead. 406 00:24:16,788 --> 00:24:17,998 Okay. 407 00:24:18,081 --> 00:24:19,416 What do you think of skateboarding? 408 00:24:19,499 --> 00:24:21,293 - What do I think of it? 409 00:24:21,376 --> 00:24:22,711 Well, I've supported it pretty strong 410 00:24:22,794 --> 00:24:24,504 for a lot of years. 411 00:24:30,969 --> 00:24:33,889 - Confusion. - Confusion? 412 00:24:33,972 --> 00:24:35,223 - My dad wanted to make sure 413 00:24:35,307 --> 00:24:36,766 that there was organization in place, 414 00:24:36,850 --> 00:24:39,895 that if Tony was gonna be this committed to it, 415 00:24:39,978 --> 00:24:43,023 you know, he could actually get some recognition for it. 416 00:24:43,106 --> 00:24:45,775 - My dad helped to form the NSA, 417 00:24:45,859 --> 00:24:48,820 which became the sanctioning body 418 00:24:48,904 --> 00:24:50,572 for all the main events. 419 00:24:50,655 --> 00:24:53,033 - The NSA was the National Skateboard Association. 420 00:24:53,116 --> 00:24:55,410 And people used to say, "No skating allowed." 421 00:24:55,493 --> 00:24:58,538 And especially Mr. Hawk being the guy who was, you know, 422 00:24:58,622 --> 00:25:00,207 yelling at people to get off the ramp. 423 00:25:00,290 --> 00:25:02,417 - Do not come down to the ramp. 424 00:25:02,500 --> 00:25:04,211 Please, get off the ramp. 425 00:25:07,005 --> 00:25:08,465 - He loved yelling at kids. 426 00:25:08,548 --> 00:25:09,925 You know, "Get behind the barrier!" 427 00:25:10,008 --> 00:25:11,760 He loved doing that. 428 00:25:11,843 --> 00:25:14,971 - He just--he always had this grimace about him. 429 00:25:15,055 --> 00:25:15,972 Super serious. 430 00:25:16,056 --> 00:25:20,018 Never saw him smile or laugh about anything. 431 00:25:20,101 --> 00:25:23,104 Just always walking around kind of like a-- 432 00:25:23,188 --> 00:25:24,731 I don't think he drank, but he seemed like 433 00:25:24,814 --> 00:25:27,108 just a pissed-off alcoholic, basically. 434 00:25:27,192 --> 00:25:28,902 - He was a bull in a china shop. 435 00:25:28,985 --> 00:25:32,405 He had no finesse whatsoever. 436 00:25:32,489 --> 00:25:35,408 But he actually had a really, really good heart. 437 00:25:35,492 --> 00:25:37,827 I mean, he came at a time in skateboarding 438 00:25:37,911 --> 00:25:39,913 where skateboarding really needed a guy 439 00:25:39,996 --> 00:25:43,083 like Frank Hawk to say, "Look at this circus carnival. 440 00:25:43,166 --> 00:25:44,918 We got to focus this a little bit." 441 00:25:45,001 --> 00:25:46,461 - And this is giving in those spots, 442 00:25:46,544 --> 00:25:48,171 and they're riding it and going "uh, uh, uh." 443 00:25:48,255 --> 00:25:49,506 - And he did a remarkable job, 444 00:25:49,589 --> 00:25:50,799 and he didn't get anything for it 445 00:25:50,882 --> 00:25:52,634 except crap from people. 446 00:25:52,717 --> 00:25:55,887 - He carried around, like, a little ledger a lot 447 00:25:55,971 --> 00:25:57,597 and was always looking harsh at people. 448 00:25:59,015 --> 00:26:02,310 - I remember going, "Fuck you," to his old man. 449 00:26:02,394 --> 00:26:03,853 Like, "Get the fuck out of here, 450 00:26:03,937 --> 00:26:06,064 "and take these fucking grubby kids with-- 451 00:26:06,147 --> 00:26:07,732 get a fucking job." 452 00:26:07,816 --> 00:26:10,193 I'd go across the fence. 453 00:26:10,277 --> 00:26:12,779 "Get a fucking job." You know. 454 00:26:12,862 --> 00:26:14,698 "Now he wants to bring his Army shit 455 00:26:14,781 --> 00:26:16,574 to the National Skateboarding Associ"-- 456 00:26:16,658 --> 00:26:18,451 you know, blah, blah. 457 00:26:18,535 --> 00:26:21,997 - He just came off as gruff and militant, 458 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:24,082 and they were like, "Fuck that dude. 459 00:26:24,165 --> 00:26:25,125 That's your dad?" 460 00:26:25,208 --> 00:26:28,169 Like, and that would be reflected on me. 461 00:26:33,425 --> 00:26:36,511 - Right....now. 462 00:26:38,638 --> 00:26:41,683 - One of the first times I ever got to skate with pros, 463 00:26:41,766 --> 00:26:45,937 I remember seeing Steve Olson and Duane Peters, 464 00:26:46,021 --> 00:26:47,981 and, of course, I knew both of them. 465 00:26:48,064 --> 00:26:49,316 They're heroes. 466 00:26:49,399 --> 00:26:50,984 So I went over to kind of skate 467 00:26:51,067 --> 00:26:53,194 near the area they were skating 468 00:26:53,278 --> 00:26:56,406 and kept sort of inching my way closer to them. 469 00:26:56,489 --> 00:26:59,492 - They were in a bowl, and we were riding up. 470 00:26:59,576 --> 00:27:04,456 We'd either chase them out or go to the next one. 471 00:27:04,539 --> 00:27:07,375 - I wanted to be near them. 472 00:27:07,459 --> 00:27:10,045 I wanted to be skating with them. 473 00:27:10,128 --> 00:27:11,546 - "Fuck this." 474 00:27:11,629 --> 00:27:14,215 I mean, these geeky kids. 475 00:27:14,299 --> 00:27:15,508 "Hey, we want to follow you." 476 00:27:15,592 --> 00:27:17,552 - And they were laughing about something, 477 00:27:17,635 --> 00:27:18,887 some inside joke. 478 00:27:18,970 --> 00:27:21,222 And I kind of snickered. "Yeah, yeah," you know? 479 00:27:21,306 --> 00:27:23,058 Like, "Yeah, yeah," like I'm in on the joke. 480 00:27:23,141 --> 00:27:27,020 Duane turned towards me, spit on my grip tape, 481 00:27:27,103 --> 00:27:29,397 and was like, "This is punk rock, kid." 482 00:27:29,481 --> 00:27:32,859 - I don't remember spitting on Hawk, but he does. 483 00:27:32,942 --> 00:27:34,527 I did this shit a lot, 484 00:27:34,611 --> 00:27:38,156 especially to guys that are coming in to-- 485 00:27:38,239 --> 00:27:39,657 wanting to be pro. 486 00:27:39,741 --> 00:27:41,576 They're coming in to take our spots. 487 00:27:41,659 --> 00:27:42,702 Fuck you. 488 00:27:52,003 --> 00:27:55,423 - It just reminded me that I don't belong 489 00:27:55,507 --> 00:27:57,175 and this is a mistake 490 00:27:57,258 --> 00:28:01,596 and I can't even fit into the skateboard world. 491 00:28:01,679 --> 00:28:02,931 That was heavy for me. 492 00:28:06,893 --> 00:28:08,603 - He took a lot of shit. 493 00:28:08,686 --> 00:28:12,232 He got a lot--people fired a lot of arrows at him. 494 00:28:12,315 --> 00:28:15,068 He never really let on how much that hurt, I think, 495 00:28:15,151 --> 00:28:17,028 at the time in the skate world. 496 00:28:17,112 --> 00:28:20,156 And he never showed... 497 00:28:22,325 --> 00:28:24,160 Kind of that resentful side 498 00:28:24,244 --> 00:28:26,204 that I'm sure he must've been feeling. 499 00:28:26,287 --> 00:28:27,914 He just put his head down and said, "Fuck it. 500 00:28:27,997 --> 00:28:29,749 "I'm gonna skate as hard as I can, 501 00:28:29,833 --> 00:28:32,168 "I'm gonna get as good as I can, 502 00:28:32,252 --> 00:28:35,296 "and I'm gonna show these assholes that, you know, 503 00:28:35,380 --> 00:28:36,798 I'm the best skater out there." 504 00:28:42,137 --> 00:28:44,305 - Leading up to this Whittier contest, 505 00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:47,559 November of 1982, 506 00:28:47,642 --> 00:28:51,521 I had just done really well at the pro versus am event. 507 00:28:51,604 --> 00:28:53,481 All my peers were pro. 508 00:28:53,565 --> 00:28:55,608 And it was like, "You're next." 509 00:28:55,692 --> 00:28:57,777 At the competition, 510 00:28:57,861 --> 00:28:59,737 we're filling out the entry forms. 511 00:28:59,821 --> 00:29:01,656 It says "pro or amateur" box. 512 00:29:01,739 --> 00:29:03,992 Like, that determines which category you're in. 513 00:29:04,075 --> 00:29:07,996 And I remember feeling Stacy looking over my shoulder. 514 00:29:09,330 --> 00:29:11,291 I just checked pro. 515 00:29:11,374 --> 00:29:13,918 Then I looked up at him, and I go, "Is that okay?" 516 00:29:14,002 --> 00:29:15,837 And he's like, "If that's what you want to do." 517 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:17,505 And then I was pro. 518 00:29:17,589 --> 00:29:19,007 - That was it. - That was it. 519 00:29:20,467 --> 00:29:23,178 There's no-- there's no champagne. 520 00:29:25,847 --> 00:29:30,268 I suddenly felt, "This is super scary." 521 00:29:30,351 --> 00:29:32,937 Duane Peters is skating. 522 00:29:33,021 --> 00:29:36,441 My first thought was, "Don't put me against Duane." 523 00:29:36,524 --> 00:29:39,360 - I went against him on his first contest. 524 00:29:39,444 --> 00:29:41,488 - First head-to-head event as a pro, 525 00:29:41,571 --> 00:29:43,114 I'm going against Duane Peters. 526 00:29:43,198 --> 00:29:46,326 - This is gonna be easy. I'm taking this fucker. 527 00:29:46,409 --> 00:29:47,994 - Duane Peters. These guys go head-on-head. 528 00:29:48,077 --> 00:29:49,162 It's who does better. 529 00:30:00,423 --> 00:30:01,341 - Go! 530 00:30:25,365 --> 00:30:28,868 - I can't see how difficult these tricks are. 531 00:30:28,952 --> 00:30:31,871 They just look fucking lame to me. 532 00:30:31,955 --> 00:30:34,874 - I knew for sure he did not want me to beat him. 533 00:30:34,958 --> 00:30:37,126 My thought was, "Stay on target. 534 00:30:37,210 --> 00:30:39,087 Make your run." 535 00:30:52,183 --> 00:30:54,602 - Tony's dad's all excited. 536 00:30:54,686 --> 00:30:56,604 They're all by the judging thing. 537 00:31:01,359 --> 00:31:04,612 - Tony Hawk beats out Duane Peters at 86.66. 538 00:31:05,822 --> 00:31:06,739 - I heard the scores, 539 00:31:06,823 --> 00:31:08,700 and it took a second for it to register. 540 00:31:08,783 --> 00:31:10,910 And I was thinking, "I beat Duane? 541 00:31:10,994 --> 00:31:12,245 "I beat Duane. 542 00:31:12,328 --> 00:31:14,581 I beat Duane!" 543 00:31:14,664 --> 00:31:18,293 - I was an old guy on his way out. 544 00:31:18,376 --> 00:31:20,169 New crew coming in. 545 00:31:22,338 --> 00:31:26,801 That hurt, and--'cause I was-- 546 00:31:26,884 --> 00:31:28,469 all of a sudden, it mattered to me. 547 00:31:28,553 --> 00:31:30,471 - Was that your last contest? - Yeah. 548 00:31:30,555 --> 00:31:32,265 Pretty much everybody's, yeah. 549 00:31:36,311 --> 00:31:37,478 - Hi, I'm Bob Burbanks, 550 00:31:37,562 --> 00:31:39,439 and welcome to "Weekend Today." 551 00:31:39,522 --> 00:31:41,691 We're gonna take an exciting look at skateboarding. 552 00:31:41,774 --> 00:31:44,777 This is a skateboard. - That's not a skateboard. 553 00:31:44,861 --> 00:31:46,112 - Some neighborhood daredevils... 554 00:31:46,195 --> 00:31:47,614 - We're gonna do a little adjusting here. 555 00:31:47,697 --> 00:31:49,449 - Right here on "Weekend Today." 556 00:31:56,039 --> 00:31:58,124 - Now, this is a skateboard. 557 00:32:11,137 --> 00:32:14,349 - Stacy took a chance putting out money 558 00:32:14,432 --> 00:32:16,768 to make a video of skateboarding. 559 00:32:17,935 --> 00:32:20,021 - We originally made the Bones Brigade videos 560 00:32:20,104 --> 00:32:22,940 thinking that skateboard shops would play them. 561 00:32:23,024 --> 00:32:24,317 And then, we didn't realize, 562 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:26,069 but the release of the first one 563 00:32:26,152 --> 00:32:29,947 coincided with 70% of Americans buying VCRs. 564 00:32:31,658 --> 00:32:32,867 - I think a lot of people, 565 00:32:32,950 --> 00:32:34,535 that's where they first saw me. 566 00:32:38,289 --> 00:32:40,083 - And it also coincided 567 00:32:40,166 --> 00:32:43,211 when Tony started to get strong. 568 00:32:43,294 --> 00:32:45,588 - That was when Tony first kind of came in 569 00:32:45,672 --> 00:32:47,090 as this wunderkind. 570 00:32:47,173 --> 00:32:49,717 So when the first Bones Brigade video came out, 571 00:32:49,801 --> 00:32:52,970 which was the first action sports video ever made, 572 00:32:53,054 --> 00:32:54,931 Tony was on the cover. 573 00:32:55,014 --> 00:32:56,891 - It was so fun to see it. 574 00:32:56,974 --> 00:32:58,559 It was so fun to see everyone 575 00:32:58,643 --> 00:33:01,229 separately but together in the same video. 576 00:33:01,312 --> 00:33:03,481 And Lance was the thread that brought it all in. 577 00:33:03,564 --> 00:33:06,859 And when I saw my part, I thought it was super cool. 578 00:33:06,943 --> 00:33:09,028 I just couldn't believe that he had managed 579 00:33:09,112 --> 00:33:11,239 to make it all work together. 580 00:33:11,322 --> 00:33:13,616 And he's putting things in slo-mo. 581 00:33:13,700 --> 00:33:15,493 I mean, it just felt like-- 582 00:33:15,576 --> 00:33:17,161 like it was my birthday party. 583 00:33:26,963 --> 00:33:30,925 - Caballero and Tony were always in the top five, 584 00:33:31,008 --> 00:33:32,927 and I was kind of fading a bit, you know? 585 00:33:33,010 --> 00:33:35,388 And I was just finding it harder and harder 586 00:33:35,471 --> 00:33:37,098 to get up into that top ten. 587 00:33:37,181 --> 00:33:39,225 And I'm like, "Oh, I guess this is it for me. 588 00:33:39,308 --> 00:33:41,519 I need something, you know, that's"-- 589 00:33:41,602 --> 00:33:43,604 so I started going to some of these camps, 590 00:33:43,688 --> 00:33:45,565 you know, helping to teach. 591 00:33:45,648 --> 00:33:49,527 And at one Swedish camp, I, you know, made this trick 592 00:33:49,610 --> 00:33:53,239 called the McTwist, which is a 540. 593 00:33:53,322 --> 00:33:56,117 People would ask me, "What is that, Mike?" 594 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,620 - Mike McGill came to a Del Mar contest, 595 00:33:59,704 --> 00:34:02,749 and there was all this buzz that he had a new trick. 596 00:34:02,832 --> 00:34:06,461 And people were purposely not telling me what it was, 597 00:34:06,544 --> 00:34:09,380 because they thought somehow I was gonna learn it. 598 00:34:09,464 --> 00:34:13,342 Mike shows up, and first day of practice, 599 00:34:13,426 --> 00:34:14,510 he does a McTwist. 600 00:34:16,721 --> 00:34:19,474 Full 1 1/2 somersault in the air, 601 00:34:19,557 --> 00:34:22,268 coming down forward, going backside direction, 602 00:34:22,351 --> 00:34:25,605 which means you're totally blind to your landing zone. 603 00:34:25,688 --> 00:34:28,399 And it was just like, "What happened? 604 00:34:28,483 --> 00:34:31,778 Were you training with gymnasts?" 605 00:34:31,861 --> 00:34:33,279 I knew then and there 606 00:34:33,362 --> 00:34:35,281 that I was gonna have to learn it. 607 00:34:35,364 --> 00:34:38,409 - There's a few tricks that have been chased for years. 608 00:34:38,493 --> 00:34:40,661 And it was one that everyone knew could be possible, 609 00:34:40,745 --> 00:34:42,288 but no one knew how to do it 610 00:34:42,371 --> 00:34:45,082 or try it or even have the guts to try it right. 611 00:34:45,166 --> 00:34:47,210 And it took McGill to do it, which was, 612 00:34:47,293 --> 00:34:48,753 you got to do it 6 foot out. 613 00:34:48,836 --> 00:34:50,004 You can't do it low. 614 00:34:50,087 --> 00:34:52,381 Everyone was trying it low to figure it out. 615 00:34:52,465 --> 00:34:55,510 And you had to have the actual wherewithal to, like, 616 00:34:55,593 --> 00:34:58,221 "Oh, I've got to launch into the sky 617 00:34:58,304 --> 00:34:59,931 and see what happens." 618 00:35:00,014 --> 00:35:01,557 - That kind of spiraled me 619 00:35:01,641 --> 00:35:05,770 and put me in the top five every contest. 620 00:35:05,853 --> 00:35:07,230 - You developed the McTwist. 621 00:35:07,313 --> 00:35:08,815 Are you gonna be able to pull that off here in this-- 622 00:35:08,898 --> 00:35:10,608 - Uh, hopefully. 623 00:35:10,691 --> 00:35:12,610 - When I did try it, 624 00:35:12,693 --> 00:35:15,279 I realized how much harder it is 625 00:35:15,363 --> 00:35:16,781 than I thought it would be. 626 00:35:16,864 --> 00:35:18,991 I didn't come close. 627 00:35:19,075 --> 00:35:20,827 I couldn't see my landing zone. 628 00:35:20,910 --> 00:35:23,663 I don't even know if I had a good hold on my board. 629 00:35:23,746 --> 00:35:25,832 - I can imagine how hard you slam on that trick, 630 00:35:25,915 --> 00:35:27,208 'cause you're just spinning freely, 631 00:35:27,291 --> 00:35:29,585 and if you overturn, it's done, dude. 632 00:35:32,755 --> 00:35:36,217 - I was hyper-focused, obsessed with the trick. 633 00:35:36,300 --> 00:35:38,386 I had to figure it out. 634 00:35:38,469 --> 00:35:40,513 I remember being in school 635 00:35:40,596 --> 00:35:43,432 and just knowing the bell's gonna ring 636 00:35:43,516 --> 00:35:44,725 and I'm going straight to the park 637 00:35:44,809 --> 00:35:45,893 and trying McTwists. 638 00:35:45,977 --> 00:35:48,646 That was the only thing I was focused on. 639 00:35:48,729 --> 00:35:51,607 I started getting the spin more consistent. 640 00:35:51,691 --> 00:35:53,860 I started seeing the landing zone, 641 00:35:53,943 --> 00:35:55,528 and then it was pretty obvious, like, 642 00:35:55,611 --> 00:35:57,238 well, there's only one more stage, 643 00:35:57,321 --> 00:36:00,324 and that's just that you got to suck it up and land. 644 00:36:00,408 --> 00:36:01,909 - How hard was that trick to learn? 645 00:36:01,993 --> 00:36:02,952 - Simple. 646 00:36:03,035 --> 00:36:04,620 - Simple? - Mm-hmm. 647 00:36:04,704 --> 00:36:07,039 It's not technique. It's balls. 648 00:36:07,123 --> 00:36:08,332 And I have no problem spinning it, 649 00:36:08,416 --> 00:36:10,501 but do I want to set it down? 650 00:36:10,585 --> 00:36:13,379 That's all just guts. 651 00:36:31,856 --> 00:36:34,066 - The 540 was the trick 652 00:36:34,150 --> 00:36:35,568 that you needed to win competitions, 653 00:36:35,651 --> 00:36:37,194 and once you learned that trick, 654 00:36:37,278 --> 00:36:38,654 you were in top three. 655 00:36:38,738 --> 00:36:40,698 - Did you attempt them? 656 00:36:40,781 --> 00:36:42,408 - I thought about doing them. 657 00:36:42,491 --> 00:36:46,245 And then I did some low stuff like Tony used to do. 658 00:36:46,329 --> 00:36:47,455 And I just started trying to-- 659 00:36:47,538 --> 00:36:48,998 and it was just like, "No way." 660 00:36:49,081 --> 00:36:51,542 So I couldn't do it. I just backed out. 661 00:36:51,626 --> 00:36:53,628 I was like, "It's not gonna work. 662 00:36:53,711 --> 00:36:56,255 - Neil Blender, are you gonna make the finals tomorrow? 663 00:36:56,339 --> 00:36:57,298 - No. 664 00:36:57,381 --> 00:36:59,717 They just called them out. Didn't even make it. 665 00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:02,011 Should've seen me, falling all over the bowl. 666 00:37:02,094 --> 00:37:03,971 - There was contests I couldn't skate at all, 667 00:37:04,055 --> 00:37:06,599 and I'd just do, "Oh, I'll do an axis ollie 540." 668 00:37:06,682 --> 00:37:08,559 Made the cut. Whew. 669 00:37:08,643 --> 00:37:11,145 Money, done. Paid. 670 00:37:11,228 --> 00:37:12,813 Buy diapers. Done deal. 671 00:37:12,897 --> 00:37:14,231 - And it just became 672 00:37:14,315 --> 00:37:16,108 this proving ground, where it was just like, 673 00:37:16,192 --> 00:37:18,361 "Are you doing a McTwist or not?" 674 00:37:18,444 --> 00:37:20,947 'Cause this is where we're all going towards. 675 00:37:40,424 --> 00:37:41,842 - Okay, next skater up, 676 00:37:41,926 --> 00:37:43,678 Christian Hosoi. 677 00:37:45,930 --> 00:37:47,848 - Christian was a showman. 678 00:37:47,932 --> 00:37:49,892 He could show up with his shirt off, 679 00:37:49,976 --> 00:37:51,686 dangling out of his back pocket, 680 00:37:51,769 --> 00:37:53,437 and the crowd was with him. 681 00:37:55,940 --> 00:37:57,942 It was all style and air with Christian, 682 00:37:58,025 --> 00:38:00,319 and it was all technical and tricks with me, 683 00:38:00,403 --> 00:38:02,655 and people had to choose. 684 00:38:02,738 --> 00:38:04,448 - There was a contest at Del Mar. 685 00:38:04,532 --> 00:38:09,370 The fans were like, you know, "Hosoi, Hosoi, Hosoi!" 686 00:38:09,453 --> 00:38:10,830 - Next up, Tony Hawk, 687 00:38:10,913 --> 00:38:12,498 riding for Powell-Peralta and Tracker Trucks. 688 00:38:12,581 --> 00:38:13,874 Tony, whenever you're ready. 689 00:38:15,501 --> 00:38:19,547 - Whenever I would go, they would just be booing. 690 00:38:19,630 --> 00:38:21,590 - You know, at his home park at Del Mar, 691 00:38:21,674 --> 00:38:25,219 I thought, you know, the crowd was pretty rough. 692 00:38:25,302 --> 00:38:28,264 crowd: Christian! Christian! Christian! 693 00:38:28,347 --> 00:38:30,766 Christian! Christian! Christian! 694 00:38:30,850 --> 00:38:34,353 Christian! Christian! Christian! Christian! 695 00:38:34,437 --> 00:38:36,188 - These guys are just getting mad at him, 696 00:38:36,272 --> 00:38:38,107 because they're seeing him do tricks. 697 00:38:38,190 --> 00:38:39,734 Like, they want to see some older shit, 698 00:38:39,817 --> 00:38:41,193 a long lip slide or something, like, 699 00:38:41,277 --> 00:38:42,903 and it's just not gonna happen. 700 00:38:42,987 --> 00:38:47,033 They were pissed, throwing beer cans and whatever else. 701 00:38:47,116 --> 00:38:49,535 - I fell on one of the runs near the end. 702 00:38:49,618 --> 00:38:52,329 And I fell near this beer can. 703 00:38:52,413 --> 00:38:54,331 Like, I almost slid into it. 704 00:38:54,415 --> 00:38:57,585 And I was just like, "Really?" 705 00:38:57,668 --> 00:39:00,129 And so I grabbed it, and I went to throw it 706 00:39:00,212 --> 00:39:01,797 back at them, and I was just like, "Am I-- 707 00:39:01,881 --> 00:39:04,425 "I can't-- I can't play this game. 708 00:39:04,508 --> 00:39:06,635 "I'm gonna lose no matter what. 709 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,846 "I'm never gonna be seen by these guys 710 00:39:08,929 --> 00:39:10,598 "as legitimate or cool. 711 00:39:10,681 --> 00:39:13,768 And I just gotta suck it up and do my own thing." 712 00:39:15,144 --> 00:39:17,438 - 96.666. 713 00:39:17,521 --> 00:39:20,691 - I don't think that people understand 714 00:39:20,775 --> 00:39:22,401 that when you're skateboarding, 715 00:39:22,485 --> 00:39:25,446 it becomes an expression of who you are, your identity. 716 00:39:25,529 --> 00:39:28,616 How you are embraced as a person 717 00:39:28,699 --> 00:39:31,577 is who you are. 718 00:39:31,660 --> 00:39:36,082 That stuff is all on the line during those contests. 719 00:39:36,165 --> 00:39:38,417 - All that noise, I was just like, 720 00:39:38,501 --> 00:39:39,585 "All right, I'm just gonna-- 721 00:39:39,668 --> 00:39:41,003 head down, I'm gonna do the work." 722 00:39:41,087 --> 00:39:42,171 - And he came in, 723 00:39:42,254 --> 00:39:45,424 and he just took it out on 'em. 724 00:39:46,592 --> 00:39:49,136 He was just focused. 725 00:40:55,286 --> 00:40:57,371 - 93.000. 726 00:40:57,454 --> 00:40:58,664 Tony Hawk is the winner! 727 00:41:07,923 --> 00:41:10,384 - When I finally started to have some success 728 00:41:10,467 --> 00:41:11,886 in competition, 729 00:41:11,969 --> 00:41:14,889 I was getting blasted in the magazines. 730 00:41:14,972 --> 00:41:16,807 "Thrasher" would write that there was favoritism 731 00:41:16,891 --> 00:41:17,808 in the competitions 732 00:41:17,892 --> 00:41:19,143 'cause my dad was helping running it 733 00:41:19,226 --> 00:41:21,395 and the finals were always at Del Mar 734 00:41:21,478 --> 00:41:22,396 and that's my local park, 735 00:41:22,480 --> 00:41:24,440 and so the whole thing was just made for me. 736 00:41:24,523 --> 00:41:26,692 He's daddy's boy. 737 00:41:26,775 --> 00:41:29,111 - It was very easy for all the skaters to think 738 00:41:29,195 --> 00:41:31,489 that somehow Frank Hawk's pulling the strings. 739 00:41:31,572 --> 00:41:34,241 Really easy to do that. He couldn't. 740 00:41:34,325 --> 00:41:36,744 You know, all he did was organize this thing. 741 00:41:36,827 --> 00:41:38,621 - Even I did it at some point, you know? 742 00:41:38,704 --> 00:41:41,540 I was like, "Wait a minute. Your son's in the last heat. 743 00:41:41,624 --> 00:41:42,708 How come I'm in the first heat?" 744 00:41:42,791 --> 00:41:45,085 - It was just hard. It was hard being an outcast. 745 00:41:45,169 --> 00:41:48,088 It was hard being a skater 746 00:41:48,172 --> 00:41:50,591 whose style no one appreciated. 747 00:41:50,674 --> 00:41:54,261 And then my dad just added to that formula, 748 00:41:54,345 --> 00:41:56,138 and it was just, like-- I was just ostracized. 749 00:42:05,940 --> 00:42:09,068 I just felt that his presence was too intrusive 750 00:42:09,151 --> 00:42:13,239 and was affecting me and my relationships so much 751 00:42:13,322 --> 00:42:17,868 that there was no escape from it unless he backed off. 752 00:42:19,328 --> 00:42:20,955 Finally I just told him, you know, 753 00:42:21,038 --> 00:42:22,998 "I don't like it when you're at the events. 754 00:42:23,082 --> 00:42:25,584 It's way harder for me." 755 00:42:25,668 --> 00:42:26,794 He didn't take it well. 756 00:42:26,877 --> 00:42:28,212 He wasn't--it wasn't-- 757 00:42:28,295 --> 00:42:29,797 there was not gonna be a compromise. 758 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:31,966 His answer was basically, 759 00:42:32,049 --> 00:42:33,592 "Well, then I just won't-- I won't go. 760 00:42:33,676 --> 00:42:34,760 "I just won't do these events. 761 00:42:34,843 --> 00:42:36,136 You just want me not to be in there at all?" 762 00:42:36,220 --> 00:42:39,014 And I'm like, "Well..." 763 00:42:39,098 --> 00:42:42,142 Things got icy between us, and at the next event, 764 00:42:42,226 --> 00:42:45,062 he purposely tried to keep his distance. 765 00:42:45,145 --> 00:42:47,106 And I guess that's the best I could hope for 766 00:42:47,189 --> 00:42:49,275 without him quitting altogether. 767 00:42:49,358 --> 00:42:51,026 - Now, you're the father of Tony Hawk. 768 00:42:51,110 --> 00:42:52,403 How does it feel when you see your son 769 00:42:52,486 --> 00:42:53,696 go in there and compete? 770 00:42:53,779 --> 00:42:55,281 - Oh, I'm thrilled to death. 771 00:42:55,364 --> 00:42:57,950 I have to kind of force myself to keep subdued 772 00:42:58,033 --> 00:43:00,494 so I don't let people think I'm giving him an advantage 773 00:43:00,577 --> 00:43:01,745 in a contest or something. 774 00:43:01,829 --> 00:43:04,748 So when we get to a contest, we're strangers to each other. 775 00:43:04,832 --> 00:43:06,667 But I'm very proud of him. 776 00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,756 - I think I was 15 or 16. 777 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:14,800 My mom moved to Arizona 778 00:43:14,883 --> 00:43:18,679 to pursue her doctorate in business education. 779 00:43:18,762 --> 00:43:20,723 And so she was gone. 780 00:43:22,057 --> 00:43:24,810 It definitely changed the dynamic in the household. 781 00:43:26,020 --> 00:43:28,856 One day, he came in and he just said, 782 00:43:28,939 --> 00:43:30,524 "Hey, Tony, I think I'm having chest pains. 783 00:43:30,607 --> 00:43:32,901 "I think--you know, I don't know, 784 00:43:32,985 --> 00:43:35,904 "but it feels like something's wrong. 785 00:43:35,988 --> 00:43:38,699 I think we need to call an ambulance." 786 00:43:38,782 --> 00:43:41,994 And I kind of freaked out, 'cause I thought, 787 00:43:42,077 --> 00:43:44,663 "I'm here alone with my dad." 788 00:43:44,747 --> 00:43:48,167 We never had any conversations 789 00:43:48,250 --> 00:43:50,919 that were deep or loving. 790 00:43:51,003 --> 00:43:52,880 And so I told him, I just--you know, 791 00:43:52,963 --> 00:43:54,631 "I want you to know that I'm thankful 792 00:43:54,715 --> 00:43:58,052 for everything you did for me, and I love you." 793 00:43:58,135 --> 00:44:02,389 And he said, "I know you do." 794 00:44:05,517 --> 00:44:08,062 The hardest part about that whole scenario 795 00:44:08,145 --> 00:44:10,397 was taking him to the hospital 796 00:44:10,481 --> 00:44:13,817 and then coming home. 797 00:44:13,901 --> 00:44:16,528 And I was truly alone. 798 00:44:18,072 --> 00:44:20,699 And I was-- and my mom was gone. 799 00:44:20,783 --> 00:44:24,078 And then I just didn't really know what to do. 800 00:44:26,955 --> 00:44:32,294 - What ultimately happened is-- was a bypass. 801 00:44:32,378 --> 00:44:36,006 My dad changed his habits a bit. 802 00:44:36,090 --> 00:44:37,257 You know, he was walking more. 803 00:44:37,341 --> 00:44:39,385 He was--changed his diet a little bit. 804 00:44:39,468 --> 00:44:42,054 But then he just gradually got back 805 00:44:42,137 --> 00:44:45,974 to the same kind of old Frank. 806 00:44:46,058 --> 00:44:47,476 - Did you all try to talk to him 807 00:44:47,559 --> 00:44:49,770 and get him to be healthier and... 808 00:44:49,853 --> 00:44:52,356 - No. I didn't. 809 00:44:52,439 --> 00:44:53,690 No. 810 00:44:56,985 --> 00:45:00,948 - Tony's training ground was the Del Mar skateboard park. 811 00:45:01,031 --> 00:45:02,449 The pool was a vertical pool, 812 00:45:02,533 --> 00:45:04,910 but the left wall wasn't quite so vertical. 813 00:45:04,993 --> 00:45:07,871 It was almost like a beautiful transition, 814 00:45:07,955 --> 00:45:10,207 so it was a perfect place to learn tricks. 815 00:45:10,290 --> 00:45:12,167 And that seemed to be the place 816 00:45:12,251 --> 00:45:15,129 Tony did all of his most difficult tricks. 817 00:45:15,212 --> 00:45:17,172 - That's where I skated my best. 818 00:45:17,256 --> 00:45:18,674 I had it dialed. I had it wired. 819 00:45:18,757 --> 00:45:20,259 And when I would go to other parks, 820 00:45:20,342 --> 00:45:21,510 I was out of place. 821 00:45:21,593 --> 00:45:22,803 I didn't have confidence. 822 00:45:22,886 --> 00:45:25,305 I didn't know how to use the transitions. 823 00:45:39,570 --> 00:45:43,991 - Most of his adversaries skated Upland, 824 00:45:44,074 --> 00:45:47,619 a really, really deep, big, giant pool. 825 00:45:47,703 --> 00:45:48,996 - Upland was considered 826 00:45:49,079 --> 00:45:50,581 the gnarliest pool at the time. 827 00:45:50,664 --> 00:45:52,583 Like, if you did well in an Upland contest, 828 00:45:52,666 --> 00:45:54,418 you got the respect of the skate industry 829 00:45:54,501 --> 00:45:56,170 and the hard-core skaters. 830 00:45:56,253 --> 00:45:58,130 - That's a really challenging pool, 831 00:45:58,213 --> 00:45:59,590 'cause it's a square pool 832 00:45:59,673 --> 00:46:02,050 and a round pool and a radical hip. 833 00:46:02,134 --> 00:46:04,386 It's a really, really tricky place. 834 00:46:08,307 --> 00:46:09,516 - It's just scary. 835 00:46:14,313 --> 00:46:16,648 If you're gonna ride Upland, you got to go for it. 836 00:46:16,732 --> 00:46:19,359 You can't just phone it in. You can't cruise it. 837 00:46:19,443 --> 00:46:21,361 You gotta put yourself at risk. 838 00:46:29,036 --> 00:46:31,747 - Tony knew this contest was coming up, 839 00:46:31,830 --> 00:46:34,166 and it was a huge contest. 840 00:46:34,249 --> 00:46:36,710 - I made it my mission to get used to the pool, 841 00:46:36,793 --> 00:46:38,545 and I drove up there every weekend. 842 00:46:38,629 --> 00:46:40,881 It was the first time I truly worked 843 00:46:40,964 --> 00:46:43,050 at getting used to different terrain 844 00:46:43,133 --> 00:46:44,676 to prove myself beyond 845 00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,720 being this one-trick pony at Del Mar. 846 00:46:51,892 --> 00:46:53,519 - Tony, you're the big winner from Del Mar. 847 00:46:53,602 --> 00:46:54,895 Do you think you'll be able to do it? 848 00:46:54,978 --> 00:46:55,938 - I don't know. 849 00:46:56,021 --> 00:46:57,481 I'm having a pretty tough time in this pool. 850 00:46:57,564 --> 00:46:59,358 - What makes this one different from Del Mar? 851 00:46:59,441 --> 00:47:00,651 - Well, it's got a lot more vert, 852 00:47:00,734 --> 00:47:02,569 and it's a lot rougher 853 00:47:02,653 --> 00:47:05,030 and big coping, so it's harder to ride. 854 00:47:05,113 --> 00:47:06,031 - Big coping. 855 00:47:06,114 --> 00:47:07,866 Who's your toughest competition? 856 00:47:07,950 --> 00:47:09,576 - Shoot. 857 00:47:09,660 --> 00:47:11,537 I'd stay Stevie, Lance, Christian. 858 00:47:11,620 --> 00:47:13,705 Psh, all those guys. 859 00:47:13,789 --> 00:47:14,915 - Well, good luck on your competition. 860 00:47:14,998 --> 00:47:15,999 - Thanks. 861 00:47:17,251 --> 00:47:18,418 - Let's hear it for Tony Hawk! 862 00:47:28,220 --> 00:47:31,265 - I had a run that was sort of my safety run, 863 00:47:31,348 --> 00:47:33,809 where it was good, but didn't have all the tricks. 864 00:47:33,892 --> 00:47:37,729 - The score is up. 81. 81.00. 865 00:47:37,813 --> 00:47:39,690 - Who's the person to beat this time? 866 00:47:39,773 --> 00:47:42,985 - Uh, A lot of people. Chris Miller. 867 00:47:43,068 --> 00:47:45,237 - Chris Miller was the local favorite, 868 00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,239 the best skater in that pool. 869 00:47:50,325 --> 00:47:52,202 He hung up and knocked himself out. 870 00:47:58,667 --> 00:48:01,336 - Score is up. 80.00. 871 00:48:05,882 --> 00:48:08,302 - 81.0 for Stevie Caballero. 872 00:48:10,596 --> 00:48:12,639 - And we have Lance Mountain on the way. 873 00:48:12,723 --> 00:48:14,975 Score's 83.33. 874 00:48:15,058 --> 00:48:17,686 Let's hear it. Lance Mountain. 83.33. 875 00:48:26,570 --> 00:48:30,282 - On my second run, I landed super low on a McTwist 876 00:48:30,365 --> 00:48:32,951 and then ended up kind of screwing up my speed. 877 00:48:33,035 --> 00:48:35,621 - Score 81.66. 878 00:48:35,704 --> 00:48:37,789 That wraps up the second round. 879 00:48:37,873 --> 00:48:40,167 - Came down to the last runs. 880 00:48:40,250 --> 00:48:42,002 And then on my fourth run, 881 00:48:42,085 --> 00:48:43,879 I did exactly what I came there to do. 882 00:48:43,962 --> 00:48:45,213 - This is Tony Hawk, 883 00:48:45,297 --> 00:48:46,673 going down for round number two. 884 00:48:46,757 --> 00:48:48,717 Let's hear it. Tony Hawk! 885 00:49:00,437 --> 00:49:03,023 - The combinations that he did were amazing. 886 00:49:03,106 --> 00:49:04,316 Amazing. 887 00:49:06,777 --> 00:49:08,278 - Skating the hardest parts of the pool, 888 00:49:08,362 --> 00:49:10,113 sliding around the corners. 889 00:49:22,084 --> 00:49:26,546 I felt so at ease and confident 890 00:49:26,630 --> 00:49:29,049 that I was singing in my run 891 00:49:29,132 --> 00:49:31,259 the song that was playing over the loudspeaker. 892 00:49:31,343 --> 00:49:33,095 "She Goes to Finos," Toy Dolls. 893 00:49:56,118 --> 00:49:58,036 - It was like Luke Skywalker 894 00:49:58,120 --> 00:50:02,541 going in to take out Darth Vader at the Death Star. 895 00:50:02,624 --> 00:50:05,043 - Incredible. 896 00:50:05,127 --> 00:50:09,131 Score 85.66. 85.66. 897 00:50:11,341 --> 00:50:14,803 - He won a contest that nobody in skateboarding 898 00:50:14,886 --> 00:50:18,682 ever expected him to win, ever, under any circumstances. 899 00:50:18,765 --> 00:50:21,059 - And that's when a lot of people shut up 900 00:50:21,143 --> 00:50:22,144 about my style, 901 00:50:22,227 --> 00:50:25,605 about me only being good at Del Mar. 902 00:50:25,689 --> 00:50:27,524 - To me, that's maybe the biggest, 903 00:50:27,607 --> 00:50:29,526 most important win of his life. 904 00:50:29,609 --> 00:50:32,279 Once you can win there, you can win anywhere. 905 00:50:34,156 --> 00:50:37,409 That was the beginning of his launch 906 00:50:37,492 --> 00:50:38,702 to become Tony Hawk. 907 00:50:51,715 --> 00:50:54,217 - He grew taller than all of us. 908 00:50:54,301 --> 00:50:58,513 His tricks got bigger, and his airs got higher. 909 00:51:06,563 --> 00:51:08,607 - Do you have a favorite skater? 910 00:51:08,690 --> 00:51:10,650 - Tony Hawk. - Tony Hawk? 911 00:51:10,734 --> 00:51:12,778 - Tony Hawk. - Oh, very good. 912 00:51:16,114 --> 00:51:19,075 - Tony was obviously gonna be a threat. 913 00:51:19,159 --> 00:51:20,285 People saw that. 914 00:51:20,368 --> 00:51:22,287 Even if it took five years to get there. 915 00:51:27,876 --> 00:51:29,336 - All of a sudden, he started 916 00:51:29,419 --> 00:51:31,171 just winning all these contests. 917 00:51:31,254 --> 00:51:33,381 Now he's got these tricks. Now he's got this trick. 918 00:51:33,465 --> 00:51:35,675 He has every trick going on and more. 919 00:51:35,759 --> 00:51:37,844 - Hawk! Tony Hawk! 920 00:51:42,849 --> 00:51:45,227 - He was coming up with a fantastic run, 921 00:51:45,310 --> 00:51:47,395 and then all of a sudden, he'd one-up himself. 922 00:51:51,066 --> 00:51:52,818 - At every contest, there'd be, like, 923 00:51:52,901 --> 00:51:54,486 three new tricks. 924 00:51:54,569 --> 00:51:57,697 He's spinning, he's varialing, he's doing finger flips. 925 00:52:03,119 --> 00:52:06,706 - Here I am, I'm just trying to go higher, farther, faster, 926 00:52:06,790 --> 00:52:09,543 'cause I have to keep up with Tony. 927 00:52:21,429 --> 00:52:25,016 - Taking home $2,000 is Tony Hawk! 928 00:52:44,619 --> 00:52:46,079 - Tony's the youngest skateboarder 929 00:52:46,162 --> 00:52:47,163 on the Bones Brigade. 930 00:52:47,247 --> 00:52:51,167 So suddenly, he's beating his idols-- 931 00:52:51,251 --> 00:52:54,045 Caballero, McGill, Lance. 932 00:52:54,129 --> 00:52:57,215 They used to kill him. Now he's above 'em. 933 00:53:07,017 --> 00:53:09,978 - First place goes to Tony Hawk! 934 00:53:10,061 --> 00:53:12,022 3,000 bucks! 935 00:53:16,318 --> 00:53:17,652 - What's it gonna take to win? 936 00:53:17,736 --> 00:53:19,112 You're gonna have to beat Tony Hawk, you know. 937 00:53:19,195 --> 00:53:21,531 He's number one right now. 938 00:53:41,551 --> 00:53:43,887 - He would go basically win-- 939 00:53:43,970 --> 00:53:45,096 I don't know what the record was, 940 00:53:45,180 --> 00:53:46,348 but pretty much everything. 941 00:53:46,431 --> 00:53:47,974 And everybody'd be stoked. 942 00:53:48,058 --> 00:53:49,476 And maybe he would be lit up 943 00:53:49,559 --> 00:53:53,647 for long enough to take the team photos or whatever. 944 00:53:53,730 --> 00:53:55,941 But then you could immediately see the wheels turning of, 945 00:53:56,024 --> 00:53:59,277 "Yeah, but I should have done this." 946 00:53:59,361 --> 00:54:01,112 And he would go right back to it. 947 00:54:03,198 --> 00:54:06,117 - I was singularly focused on skating 948 00:54:06,201 --> 00:54:08,119 and doing well at the events 949 00:54:08,203 --> 00:54:11,081 because that was the only road to success. 950 00:54:11,164 --> 00:54:15,669 It probably affected my emotional connections 951 00:54:15,752 --> 00:54:18,338 because I couldn't think of anything else. 952 00:54:18,421 --> 00:54:21,216 I was obligated to go to all the competitions, 953 00:54:21,299 --> 00:54:23,009 nonstop on the road. 954 00:54:23,093 --> 00:54:25,887 I had a formula where I'd create a routine, 955 00:54:25,971 --> 00:54:27,973 I had these backup tricks that I was gonna do later, 956 00:54:28,056 --> 00:54:29,391 and then I just started doing that, 957 00:54:29,474 --> 00:54:31,851 and it was like I was just a machine. 958 00:54:31,935 --> 00:54:33,353 - You feeling any excess pressure 959 00:54:33,436 --> 00:54:34,729 now that you're in first place, 960 00:54:34,813 --> 00:54:36,731 or do you think that's the better place to be? 961 00:54:36,815 --> 00:54:37,899 - Oh, I don't know. 962 00:54:37,983 --> 00:54:41,528 I mean, I guess I feel really happy that I did that run 963 00:54:41,611 --> 00:54:43,488 and I'm in first with it, but I don't know. 964 00:54:43,571 --> 00:54:45,490 I'm just gonna do my best, and if I do my best 965 00:54:45,573 --> 00:54:48,326 and I don't even win, that's okay with me. 966 00:54:48,410 --> 00:54:52,414 It got to the point where it was somewhat repetitive 967 00:54:52,497 --> 00:54:56,543 and just methodical 968 00:54:56,626 --> 00:54:58,920 and robotic, 969 00:54:59,004 --> 00:55:00,922 where I came in and it was like, 970 00:55:01,006 --> 00:55:02,132 "I'm gonna have to do this. 971 00:55:02,215 --> 00:55:04,050 "I'm gonna have to go this much further, 972 00:55:04,134 --> 00:55:05,260 "because now they're judging me 973 00:55:05,343 --> 00:55:06,886 "on what they saw me do last time. 974 00:55:06,970 --> 00:55:08,722 So I gotta take it one step further." 975 00:55:08,805 --> 00:55:11,891 And I became a machine. 976 00:55:11,975 --> 00:55:15,562 And it really did suck the fun out of it. 977 00:55:15,645 --> 00:55:17,522 Other skaters would tell me, like, 978 00:55:17,605 --> 00:55:18,940 while we're practicing, 979 00:55:19,024 --> 00:55:20,734 "Man, I just want to get second." 980 00:55:20,817 --> 00:55:24,571 And I just took it as I didn't have any peers. 981 00:55:25,572 --> 00:55:27,157 It was just isolating. It was a bummer. 982 00:55:27,240 --> 00:55:28,366 I can't explain it. 983 00:55:28,450 --> 00:55:30,785 You know, the whole thing, it's lonely at the top--it is. 984 00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:41,463 - I think it's a quote from Nietzsche's "Zarathustra." 985 00:55:41,546 --> 00:55:42,922 "You make it up to the top of a mountain, 986 00:55:43,006 --> 00:55:44,632 and what's left for me but lightning?" 987 00:55:50,180 --> 00:55:54,100 - With all of the things that were coming to him, 988 00:55:54,184 --> 00:55:55,769 his father being at contests 989 00:55:55,852 --> 00:55:57,687 and the commotion that his father causes 990 00:55:57,771 --> 00:55:59,481 with all the other skateboarders, 991 00:55:59,564 --> 00:56:01,483 people blaming Tony for winning 992 00:56:01,566 --> 00:56:03,234 because his father's setting it up, 993 00:56:03,318 --> 00:56:05,236 people calling him a clown skater 994 00:56:05,320 --> 00:56:06,571 because of the tricks he does, 995 00:56:06,654 --> 00:56:08,448 people saying, "You don't deserve to be doing this. 996 00:56:08,531 --> 00:56:10,575 Christian should be winning," 997 00:56:10,658 --> 00:56:14,746 and at the same time, achieving his dream. 998 00:56:14,829 --> 00:56:16,998 He achieved his dream. 999 00:56:17,082 --> 00:56:18,416 And he got up there and he realized 1000 00:56:18,500 --> 00:56:20,710 how lonely it is. 1001 00:56:20,794 --> 00:56:23,588 - I felt like I was losing myself, 1002 00:56:23,671 --> 00:56:25,673 losing my passion. 1003 00:56:25,757 --> 00:56:31,304 None of the money or fame or success was worth that. 1004 00:56:31,387 --> 00:56:32,514 - Skating very well today. 1005 00:56:32,597 --> 00:56:36,309 - Um, not as well as I want to. 1006 00:56:36,392 --> 00:56:38,853 - The heat bothering you? - Not so much that. 1007 00:56:38,937 --> 00:56:42,065 I'm just not really feeling like skating right now. 1008 00:56:42,148 --> 00:56:43,149 - He just decided 1009 00:56:43,233 --> 00:56:45,443 that he didn't want to compete anymore. 1010 00:56:45,527 --> 00:56:47,612 - I told my brother how I was feeling. 1011 00:56:47,695 --> 00:56:48,780 He was really the only one 1012 00:56:48,863 --> 00:56:51,116 I felt like I could confide in. 1013 00:56:51,199 --> 00:56:53,785 He said, "You gotta tell Stacy." 1014 00:56:53,868 --> 00:56:57,372 - Tony was seriously in a catatonic state 1015 00:56:57,455 --> 00:56:59,207 when he arrived at my house. 1016 00:56:59,290 --> 00:57:01,417 He sat there just looking at me like... 1017 00:57:03,294 --> 00:57:07,549 - You didn't tell Stacy that you're gonna quit anything. 1018 00:57:07,632 --> 00:57:09,551 Who would do that? 1019 00:57:09,634 --> 00:57:11,678 - Steve proceeded to tell me 1020 00:57:11,761 --> 00:57:15,515 that it had all just become too much for Tony. 1021 00:57:15,598 --> 00:57:20,228 He wasn't enjoying being a professional skateboarder. 1022 00:57:22,730 --> 00:57:25,191 I think that's as close as he's ever gotten, 1023 00:57:25,275 --> 00:57:26,985 that I've seen, 1024 00:57:27,068 --> 00:57:29,612 to dealing with the pain that's inside of him. 1025 00:57:36,870 --> 00:57:40,999 - Driving home, there was a sense of hopelessness. 1026 00:57:41,082 --> 00:57:44,961 And I didn't really know what was gonna happen next. 1027 00:57:45,044 --> 00:57:47,297 Stacy told me that Rodney Mullen 1028 00:57:47,380 --> 00:57:49,132 had the same conversation with him 1029 00:57:49,215 --> 00:57:51,593 about a year prior to me telling him that. 1030 00:57:51,676 --> 00:57:53,386 And Rodney had stopped competing. 1031 00:57:53,469 --> 00:57:55,013 I called Rodney, 1032 00:57:55,096 --> 00:57:59,017 and Rodney unloaded everything. 1033 00:57:59,100 --> 00:58:00,268 He just said, "You know, 1034 00:58:00,351 --> 00:58:04,189 "I've come to appreciate the skating more. 1035 00:58:04,272 --> 00:58:06,232 "I'm willing to take more chances 1036 00:58:06,316 --> 00:58:10,945 and risk not winning, and that has liberated me." 1037 00:58:11,029 --> 00:58:15,325 And he said, "Maybe that would help you." 1038 00:58:41,392 --> 00:58:44,020 When I eventually stopped competing, 1039 00:58:44,103 --> 00:58:47,065 I was like, "Oh, I have all this freedom now." 1040 00:58:49,651 --> 00:58:52,528 "I'm not beholden to earning points 1041 00:58:52,612 --> 00:58:54,489 and staying on all the time." 1042 00:58:57,033 --> 00:58:59,452 I had a totally different approach 1043 00:58:59,535 --> 00:59:02,121 to what I was doing. 1044 00:59:02,205 --> 00:59:05,458 Started getting much more creative. 1045 00:59:09,837 --> 00:59:11,965 Detachment. Freedom. 1046 00:59:12,048 --> 00:59:14,801 You can breathe. 1047 00:59:14,884 --> 00:59:17,637 We skate with our hearts. 1048 00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:22,433 And...it has its own feelings. 1049 00:59:43,663 --> 00:59:45,164 - Both Tony and Rodney 1050 00:59:45,248 --> 00:59:49,669 talk about the difficulties of competition. 1051 00:59:49,752 --> 00:59:53,339 But both of those guys loved competing. 1052 00:59:53,423 --> 00:59:56,009 They were both killers. 1053 00:59:56,092 --> 00:59:58,678 Not just competitors, killers. 1054 00:59:58,761 --> 01:00:00,054 They're not out to beat you. 1055 01:00:00,138 --> 01:00:02,348 They're out to make you afraid to ever come to them 1056 01:00:02,432 --> 01:00:03,808 and compete with them again. 1057 01:00:07,437 --> 01:00:09,647 Tony may have had a hard time with it, 1058 01:00:09,731 --> 01:00:12,608 but once he walked away from competition, 1059 01:00:12,692 --> 01:00:14,068 he couldn't live without it. 1060 01:00:14,152 --> 01:00:16,154 He had to get back in. 1061 01:00:22,243 --> 01:00:24,245 - Eventually found my way back to it 1062 01:00:24,329 --> 01:00:26,831 with a different attitude, and I could still make it fun, 1063 01:00:26,914 --> 01:00:28,166 and I could still do it for a living, 1064 01:00:28,249 --> 01:00:30,376 and that was it. 1065 01:00:30,460 --> 01:00:31,753 That was the turning point. 1066 01:00:42,096 --> 01:00:43,723 - One time when I lived with Tony, 1067 01:00:43,806 --> 01:00:45,099 it was garbage day, and I came up, 1068 01:00:45,183 --> 01:00:46,225 and he'd cleaned out the garage. 1069 01:00:46,309 --> 01:00:48,019 And he was dragging this trash can 1070 01:00:48,102 --> 01:00:50,897 down the driveway, 1071 01:00:50,980 --> 01:00:52,148 and there was all these trophies 1072 01:00:52,231 --> 01:00:53,441 poking out of the top. 1073 01:00:53,524 --> 01:00:55,360 Like, he did not care. 1074 01:00:55,443 --> 01:00:57,362 He lost his bag of X Games medals. 1075 01:00:57,445 --> 01:00:59,864 I mean, he's never, ever cared. 1076 01:00:59,947 --> 01:01:00,907 I've never seen him, 1077 01:01:00,990 --> 01:01:03,034 since I've known him for 30 years, 1078 01:01:03,117 --> 01:01:04,369 to put any of the trophies up. 1079 01:01:04,452 --> 01:01:06,871 Other people will, but he's never had a trophy room. 1080 01:01:06,954 --> 01:01:10,375 "That's just a symbol of one point in time. 1081 01:01:10,458 --> 01:01:12,460 I can't get attached to that." 1082 01:01:31,687 --> 01:01:34,524 - Video was a whole new avenue. 1083 01:01:34,607 --> 01:01:36,567 It's not about competition. 1084 01:01:36,651 --> 01:01:39,737 That eventually outshined all the contests. 1085 01:01:43,658 --> 01:01:45,576 - Kids are now seeing how to do it. 1086 01:01:45,660 --> 01:01:47,161 When they'd look at a magazine, 1087 01:01:47,245 --> 01:01:49,038 they'd see a maneuver, but they didn't understand 1088 01:01:49,122 --> 01:01:50,581 how a kid got from here to there 1089 01:01:50,665 --> 01:01:51,833 or there to here. 1090 01:01:51,916 --> 01:01:54,293 But when they saw the video, they saw the whole thing. 1091 01:01:54,377 --> 01:01:56,129 So it completely revolutionized 1092 01:01:56,212 --> 01:01:58,172 how kids consumed skateboarding. 1093 01:01:58,256 --> 01:02:00,341 And it really helped the sport grow. 1094 01:02:05,763 --> 01:02:08,558 - I was 12 years old when I first got 1095 01:02:08,641 --> 01:02:10,351 a skateboard and got into skateboarding. 1096 01:02:10,435 --> 01:02:12,645 And it was the boom of the Bones Brigade, 1097 01:02:12,728 --> 01:02:13,938 and everybody had a skateboard. 1098 01:02:14,021 --> 01:02:16,482 And immediately was attracted 1099 01:02:16,566 --> 01:02:20,153 to the fun of skateboarding through Lance Mountain 1100 01:02:20,236 --> 01:02:23,614 and the tricks in skateboarding through Tony Hawk. 1101 01:02:27,869 --> 01:02:29,620 - Oh, those videos got passed around. 1102 01:02:29,704 --> 01:02:31,956 I mean, people tell me that they would rent it 1103 01:02:32,039 --> 01:02:33,666 from the shop, give it to their friend. 1104 01:02:33,749 --> 01:02:36,002 It would break. They'd tape it back together. 1105 01:02:36,085 --> 01:02:37,628 - That was the greatest thing ever. 1106 01:02:37,712 --> 01:02:41,215 Like, I just would watch it over and over and over. 1107 01:02:41,299 --> 01:02:43,342 Like, "There's gonna be another one? 1108 01:02:43,426 --> 01:02:45,845 What are they gonna do? How funny is Lance gonna be?" 1109 01:02:45,928 --> 01:02:48,222 Like, you know, "What are the new tricks like?" 1110 01:02:48,306 --> 01:02:50,475 Stacy was onto something, man. 1111 01:02:50,558 --> 01:02:52,894 Like, there's still nothing cooler 1112 01:02:52,977 --> 01:02:54,562 than Bones Brigade videos. 1113 01:03:24,217 --> 01:03:25,635 - Animal Chin. Have you heard of 'em? 1114 01:03:25,718 --> 01:03:27,303 - If you look too hard for Animal Chin, 1115 01:03:27,386 --> 01:03:28,763 you're never gonna find 'em. 1116 01:03:33,392 --> 01:03:35,144 - Heard about this ramp. 1117 01:03:35,228 --> 01:03:37,271 It's in this field between two junkyards. 1118 01:03:42,485 --> 01:03:44,570 - You know, Stacy would have me, Mike, 1119 01:03:44,654 --> 01:03:46,864 and Lance do our parts, 1120 01:03:46,948 --> 01:03:49,700 and then it was Tony's turn. 1121 01:03:55,122 --> 01:03:56,499 - What the hell was that? 1122 01:03:59,377 --> 01:04:03,089 - Oh! - Insane. 1123 01:04:03,172 --> 01:04:04,590 - I'm like, "Man, this guy's got 1124 01:04:04,674 --> 01:04:06,926 a bag of tricks that doesn't stop." 1125 01:04:13,641 --> 01:04:16,060 540s were hard enough grabbing, 1126 01:04:16,143 --> 01:04:19,730 but to do it without grabbing your board... 1127 01:04:19,814 --> 01:04:23,484 - People thought it was an impossible trick to do. 1128 01:04:23,568 --> 01:04:25,486 When people saw it, they were like, 1129 01:04:25,570 --> 01:04:27,113 "That's not real." 1130 01:04:40,293 --> 01:04:43,462 - Tony's becoming a superstar in skateboarding, 1131 01:04:43,546 --> 01:04:47,300 and as a result, we sold more of his board models 1132 01:04:47,383 --> 01:04:48,968 pretty much every month 1133 01:04:49,051 --> 01:04:50,845 more than anybody else on the team. 1134 01:04:50,928 --> 01:04:54,473 We could've sold even probably more than we sold of Tony's. 1135 01:04:54,557 --> 01:04:55,725 - You just didn't make enough. 1136 01:04:55,808 --> 01:04:57,518 - We couldn't make enough. 1137 01:04:57,602 --> 01:04:59,812 - By the time that I was 17, 1138 01:04:59,895 --> 01:05:02,481 I was making at least six figures 1139 01:05:02,565 --> 01:05:03,774 just from skateboards. 1140 01:05:03,858 --> 01:05:05,109 You get very jaded 1141 01:05:05,192 --> 01:05:06,527 when that kind of money is coming in. 1142 01:05:06,611 --> 01:05:10,239 And also, I'm not trying to be responsible with it. 1143 01:05:10,323 --> 01:05:12,450 I'm not saving for the future, 1144 01:05:12,533 --> 01:05:14,452 nor am I saving for taxes. 1145 01:05:14,535 --> 01:05:17,246 And so my dad was the one 1146 01:05:17,330 --> 01:05:18,956 who really guided me through that 1147 01:05:19,040 --> 01:05:22,335 and was the one who convinced me to buy a house 1148 01:05:22,418 --> 01:05:24,837 when I was still in high school. 1149 01:05:41,062 --> 01:05:43,814 - Tony and his dad built all these beautiful ramps. 1150 01:05:43,898 --> 01:05:45,816 I mean, they were just unbelievable. 1151 01:05:45,900 --> 01:05:47,777 His dad was so dedicated. 1152 01:05:47,860 --> 01:05:50,488 - The winningest vertical skateboard rider in history 1153 01:05:50,571 --> 01:05:52,156 now making a very comfortable living 1154 01:05:52,239 --> 01:05:53,616 as a pro athlete. 1155 01:05:53,699 --> 01:05:56,911 - In this house, they live, breathe, sleep, talk, 1156 01:05:56,994 --> 01:05:59,163 and eat skateboarding. 1157 01:05:59,246 --> 01:06:01,832 And what you're about to see are the rewards for a guy 1158 01:06:01,916 --> 01:06:04,001 who's become top of his sport. 1159 01:06:06,003 --> 01:06:08,047 - On Sunday, I'm signing autographs. 1160 01:06:08,130 --> 01:06:10,716 I am flying home with an oversized check, 1161 01:06:10,800 --> 01:06:12,385 says $10,000. 1162 01:06:12,468 --> 01:06:15,221 I had to put it up in the first-class closet. 1163 01:06:15,304 --> 01:06:16,764 And then I go home, and I gotta wake up 1164 01:06:16,847 --> 01:06:20,559 at00 a.m. next day and get to school. 1165 01:06:31,278 --> 01:06:34,865 - When we started traveling around the world, 1166 01:06:34,949 --> 01:06:36,867 we started noticing there was a lot of people 1167 01:06:36,951 --> 01:06:38,035 showing up to our demos, 1168 01:06:38,119 --> 01:06:40,413 and we were getting a lot of attention. 1169 01:06:42,123 --> 01:06:45,543 - We're on the road, and we're in our teens. 1170 01:06:45,626 --> 01:06:48,921 New city every night, trying to meet girls. 1171 01:06:56,804 --> 01:07:01,809 - When it got big, it was rock star time and girl time. 1172 01:07:01,892 --> 01:07:04,353 Look at the people who didn't have ponytails. 1173 01:07:04,437 --> 01:07:06,480 I didn't have a ponytail. They all did. 1174 01:07:06,564 --> 01:07:08,566 That was a pure sign that you're stoked, 1175 01:07:08,649 --> 01:07:09,900 that you're a rock star, 1176 01:07:09,984 --> 01:07:11,444 and you're gonna get some girls. 1177 01:07:27,710 --> 01:07:29,879 - It seemed like money was just raining down, 1178 01:07:29,962 --> 01:07:31,881 and some of the guys got carried away. 1179 01:07:31,964 --> 01:07:34,800 They were spending crazy. 1180 01:07:34,884 --> 01:07:38,095 At one point, Powell sent us credit cards. 1181 01:07:38,179 --> 01:07:40,514 We had no idea how credit cards worked, 1182 01:07:40,598 --> 01:07:42,516 so we just thought that we could spend money 1183 01:07:42,600 --> 01:07:45,269 and that we wouldn't get the bill. 1184 01:07:45,352 --> 01:07:47,813 We were buying cameras, video games. 1185 01:07:47,897 --> 01:07:51,108 I think I bought a pinball machine. 1186 01:07:51,192 --> 01:07:53,944 I'd be in Japan, I would just buy boom boxes, 1187 01:07:54,028 --> 01:07:58,157 headphones, and at one point, I bought a tanning bed. 1188 01:08:03,370 --> 01:08:07,416 - From '87 to '89, 1189 01:08:07,500 --> 01:08:09,502 it was salad days. 1190 01:08:09,585 --> 01:08:12,004 It was the heyday. It was crazy. 1191 01:08:12,087 --> 01:08:17,676 1989, I went on tour in the U.S. for a month. 1192 01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:21,180 Every demo was thousands of people. 1193 01:08:21,263 --> 01:08:23,682 And then we go to Europe for six weeks. 1194 01:08:23,766 --> 01:08:25,100 Every crowd was huge. 1195 01:08:25,184 --> 01:08:27,394 We did a demo at Tivoli Gardens. 1196 01:08:27,478 --> 01:08:29,605 The entire amusement park stopped what they were doing 1197 01:08:29,688 --> 01:08:31,732 to watch us skate. 1198 01:08:31,816 --> 01:08:34,902 And then we'd go to Australia, in Sydney. 1199 01:08:34,985 --> 01:08:37,404 Vert ramp right in the middle of the city. 1200 01:08:37,488 --> 01:08:39,949 People were lining the rooftops 1201 01:08:40,032 --> 01:08:42,159 because there was no more room to watch us. 1202 01:08:43,744 --> 01:08:45,121 - He was really doing well. 1203 01:08:45,204 --> 01:08:47,873 And I was really happy for him. 1204 01:08:47,957 --> 01:08:51,252 And it gave my parents such bragging rights 1205 01:08:51,335 --> 01:08:52,461 that they couldn't-- 1206 01:08:52,545 --> 01:08:55,256 they would stop total strangers at the airport and say, 1207 01:08:55,339 --> 01:08:58,551 "My son is Tony Hawk. That's no lie." 1208 01:08:58,634 --> 01:09:01,428 - So life with the alien is good, huh? 1209 01:09:01,512 --> 01:09:03,389 - So far. So far, so good. 1210 01:09:03,472 --> 01:09:06,058 - Well, we all wish you many luck and happiness, and-- 1211 01:09:06,141 --> 01:09:09,103 - I was 22. Cindy was 24. 1212 01:09:09,186 --> 01:09:10,896 We were living together. 1213 01:09:10,980 --> 01:09:14,859 We decided the next stage would be to get married. 1214 01:09:14,942 --> 01:09:17,027 Suddenly, I'm married, 1215 01:09:17,111 --> 01:09:19,864 I have a kid on the way, I have two mortgages, 1216 01:09:19,947 --> 01:09:22,825 and I was just thrust into adulthood. 1217 01:09:22,908 --> 01:09:25,411 And little did I know 1218 01:09:25,494 --> 01:09:29,206 that that income wasn't gonna last. 1219 01:09:29,290 --> 01:09:32,585 - Skateboarding is cyclical. It's a cyclical business. 1220 01:09:32,668 --> 01:09:37,256 It was big from '73 to '79. 1221 01:09:37,339 --> 01:09:41,510 And then from 1980 to '84, it dipped way down, 1222 01:09:41,594 --> 01:09:43,429 almost disappeared. 1223 01:09:43,512 --> 01:09:45,472 '85, it starts to climb again, 1224 01:09:45,556 --> 01:09:48,350 and it goes all the way up until 1990, 1225 01:09:48,434 --> 01:09:51,270 and then it dips again, and it dips radically. 1226 01:09:51,353 --> 01:09:53,230 And when it did, 1227 01:09:53,314 --> 01:09:56,108 a lot of companies went out of business. 1228 01:09:56,192 --> 01:09:58,277 - I remember Stacy telling me, "It's getting really hard 1229 01:09:58,360 --> 01:10:01,405 to justify any expenses that we usually put out there." 1230 01:10:01,488 --> 01:10:03,616 And I said, "Well, what does that mean?" 1231 01:10:03,699 --> 01:10:06,410 And he said, "Well, I think you'll be the last to feel it, 1232 01:10:06,493 --> 01:10:08,913 but it's coming." 1233 01:10:27,556 --> 01:10:29,475 Skate magazines were going away. 1234 01:10:29,558 --> 01:10:32,519 Skate brands were barely surviving. 1235 01:10:34,563 --> 01:10:36,190 The skate parks closing down 1236 01:10:36,273 --> 01:10:38,067 was the last nail in the coffin. 1237 01:10:41,946 --> 01:10:44,239 - The early '90s were the dark years. 1238 01:10:44,323 --> 01:10:46,992 It was tough. 1239 01:10:47,076 --> 01:10:48,786 Vertical skateboarding was dead. 1240 01:10:51,038 --> 01:10:53,374 - I remember some of the last contests, 1241 01:10:53,457 --> 01:10:54,625 and then all of a sudden, 1242 01:10:54,708 --> 01:10:56,794 there just was no more contests. 1243 01:10:59,213 --> 01:11:01,382 It was like a rude awakening for all of us. 1244 01:11:05,094 --> 01:11:07,346 - '91 was sort of the end 1245 01:11:07,429 --> 01:11:09,682 of the Bones Brigade era as I knew it. 1246 01:11:09,765 --> 01:11:11,558 We went to go talk to Stacy, 1247 01:11:11,642 --> 01:11:14,061 and he said, "You guys, I already left." 1248 01:11:14,144 --> 01:11:16,480 - There was kind of this distance thing 1249 01:11:16,563 --> 01:11:18,732 between all of us during those years. 1250 01:11:18,816 --> 01:11:20,859 We weren't all together with Stacy, 1251 01:11:20,943 --> 01:11:22,611 and we weren't going to contests, 1252 01:11:22,695 --> 01:11:24,822 and we weren't-- there was nothing. 1253 01:11:24,905 --> 01:11:27,908 All of us were thinking, you know, "Is this it? 1254 01:11:27,992 --> 01:11:29,868 What we love to do is just nothing?" 1255 01:11:29,952 --> 01:11:32,663 You know, we just came from touring around the world. 1256 01:11:32,746 --> 01:11:35,332 We went to George Harrison's house, for Pete's sake. 1257 01:11:35,416 --> 01:11:39,920 That was an intensely tough time 1258 01:11:40,004 --> 01:11:42,715 for most of us. 1259 01:11:42,798 --> 01:11:44,883 - I started Birdhouse in '92. 1260 01:11:44,967 --> 01:11:46,719 I had high hopes that it was going 1261 01:11:46,802 --> 01:11:48,721 to at least be profitable within a year or so, 1262 01:11:48,804 --> 01:11:50,097 and it just wasn't. 1263 01:11:51,140 --> 01:11:52,683 And we were scraping by, 1264 01:11:52,766 --> 01:11:55,853 and there was-- there was not a bright future. 1265 01:11:55,936 --> 01:11:58,647 Riley, point to Mommy. 1266 01:11:58,731 --> 01:12:01,525 - Mommy. - Yeah. 1267 01:12:01,608 --> 01:12:04,153 Where's Daddy? 1268 01:12:04,236 --> 01:12:06,196 - Cindy was becoming the breadwinner 1269 01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:07,406 being a manicurist. 1270 01:12:08,949 --> 01:12:11,952 Our relationship was rocky at best. 1271 01:12:12,036 --> 01:12:14,121 People she works with, it's just like, 1272 01:12:14,204 --> 01:12:16,165 "He's still trying to skateboard? 1273 01:12:16,248 --> 01:12:18,083 "Are you fucking serious? 1274 01:12:18,167 --> 01:12:19,752 Like, grow up. Get a job." 1275 01:12:21,211 --> 01:12:24,214 I started taking every odd job I could. 1276 01:12:24,298 --> 01:12:28,761 I bought a video editing system on consignment. 1277 01:12:28,844 --> 01:12:29,928 I couldn't even afford it. 1278 01:12:30,012 --> 01:12:33,098 I borrowed $5,000 from my parents to buy it. 1279 01:12:33,182 --> 01:12:35,642 - He's chugging this OJ. 1280 01:12:35,726 --> 01:12:37,186 When I moved in with Tony, 1281 01:12:37,269 --> 01:12:39,772 we were both super, super broke. 1282 01:12:39,855 --> 01:12:42,357 But I think we were like, "We'll just keep, you know, 1283 01:12:42,441 --> 01:12:45,444 "adjusting our lifestyle lower and lower 1284 01:12:45,527 --> 01:12:47,404 until we get to that crisis point." 1285 01:12:47,488 --> 01:12:50,074 - We had a water bill at the time 1286 01:12:50,157 --> 01:12:53,452 that I had to go down to the city 1287 01:12:53,535 --> 01:12:55,454 and ask to make payments on. 1288 01:12:55,537 --> 01:12:59,083 And they allowed me to pay it off over six months. 1289 01:12:59,166 --> 01:13:02,169 I would look around and it'd be like... 1290 01:13:02,252 --> 01:13:03,587 you know, there's a pool 1291 01:13:03,670 --> 01:13:07,257 and there's a propane tank that I got to pay to fill, 1292 01:13:07,341 --> 01:13:08,634 and then there's this huge ramp 1293 01:13:08,717 --> 01:13:10,302 that was starting to fall apart 1294 01:13:10,385 --> 01:13:12,346 that I couldn't afford to fix. 1295 01:13:12,429 --> 01:13:14,181 And that's when reality sunk in. 1296 01:13:17,643 --> 01:13:19,353 I sold the house. 1297 01:13:19,436 --> 01:13:22,773 I had to tear down this monstrous ramp. 1298 01:13:22,856 --> 01:13:25,901 Pulling out screws, pulling off plies, 1299 01:13:25,984 --> 01:13:30,280 cutting chunks out of it and kicking them over the side. 1300 01:13:30,364 --> 01:13:31,907 And to what end? 1301 01:13:34,868 --> 01:13:38,080 You're just dismantling your career until it's gone. 1302 01:13:44,670 --> 01:13:47,047 - How did you handle stress back then? 1303 01:13:48,757 --> 01:13:50,134 - I don't even-- 1304 01:13:50,217 --> 01:13:51,677 how did I handle stress back then? 1305 01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:53,887 I think that I would go skate. 1306 01:13:56,348 --> 01:13:57,724 I mean, that was it. 1307 01:13:57,808 --> 01:14:00,185 That's been my-- 1308 01:14:00,269 --> 01:14:02,229 That's been my escape, always. 1309 01:14:02,312 --> 01:14:05,190 But it was meager. 1310 01:14:05,274 --> 01:14:07,025 And it wasn't what it used to be. 1311 01:14:07,109 --> 01:14:08,944 So it was like, 1312 01:14:09,027 --> 01:14:10,320 "Why are you spending all your energy? 1313 01:14:10,404 --> 01:14:11,864 Why are you killing yourself out there?" 1314 01:14:29,548 --> 01:14:31,383 - I hired him to help me with a little video 1315 01:14:31,466 --> 01:14:34,094 for the shop or something that I was trying to do. 1316 01:14:34,178 --> 01:14:36,430 He was, you know, scrambling around, 1317 01:14:36,513 --> 01:14:39,725 but he still pushed himself skating. 1318 01:14:45,314 --> 01:14:50,360 - I never considered quitting skating as an option. 1319 01:14:50,444 --> 01:14:51,904 I was always gonna find time to skate. 1320 01:14:57,326 --> 01:14:58,577 - Yeah! 1321 01:15:06,668 --> 01:15:09,421 I don't think I could estimate how many 540s I've done. 1322 01:15:09,505 --> 01:15:10,923 It's just-- 1323 01:15:11,006 --> 01:15:12,633 - Like, over... 1324 01:15:12,716 --> 01:15:16,511 - 10,000. For sure. I-- 1325 01:15:16,595 --> 01:15:19,765 let's just say, for instance, 300 in a summer. 1326 01:15:22,392 --> 01:15:24,478 - 400, 500 a year. Yeah. 1327 01:15:24,561 --> 01:15:28,190 I mean, I was--like, thousands, tens of thousands. 1328 01:15:28,273 --> 01:15:29,983 When people say you put in your 10,000 hours, 1329 01:15:30,067 --> 01:15:31,735 I put in my 10,000 McTwists. 1330 01:16:08,188 --> 01:16:10,732 I first thought about the possibility of 900s 1331 01:16:10,816 --> 01:16:13,485 after learning 720s in 1985. 1332 01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:16,947 I didn't actually have the nerve to try it 1333 01:16:17,030 --> 01:16:20,158 until 1987 at a skate camp in France. 1334 01:16:22,202 --> 01:16:24,788 I ended up trying it a few times. 1335 01:16:24,871 --> 01:16:28,000 I didn't understand where I was in the air 1336 01:16:28,083 --> 01:16:32,004 and ended up landing on my back twice. 1337 01:16:32,087 --> 01:16:35,966 I wasn't ready to commit to that spin. 1338 01:16:36,049 --> 01:16:37,676 - We had a lot of other skaters 1339 01:16:37,759 --> 01:16:38,969 chasing the 900, 1340 01:16:39,052 --> 01:16:41,388 and just because it had been going on for so long, 1341 01:16:41,471 --> 01:16:42,514 which no other trick had, 1342 01:16:42,597 --> 01:16:45,726 it kind of got some, like, holy grail aspect to it 1343 01:16:45,809 --> 01:16:48,020 that I've never seen any other trick 1344 01:16:48,103 --> 01:16:49,896 treated like that with the skate community. 1345 01:16:54,776 --> 01:16:59,489 It became a trick that a lot of people are trying. 1346 01:16:59,573 --> 01:17:01,241 Everyone kept getting a little close. 1347 01:17:01,325 --> 01:17:02,326 Like, they could spin, 1348 01:17:02,409 --> 01:17:03,827 but then they'd land and keep whipping out. 1349 01:17:03,910 --> 01:17:06,038 There was always-- you would be close enough 1350 01:17:06,121 --> 01:17:07,205 to kind of taste it, 1351 01:17:07,289 --> 01:17:08,999 but there'd be one-- something missing 1352 01:17:09,082 --> 01:17:12,544 that would make it totally almost impossible to land. 1353 01:17:16,131 --> 01:17:19,551 - There were a couple times in my pursuit of doing a 900 1354 01:17:19,634 --> 01:17:23,055 that I really was done with it. 1355 01:17:23,138 --> 01:17:26,224 The first time I tried to really make one, 1356 01:17:26,308 --> 01:17:28,727 I was leaning forward too far, and I broke my rib 1357 01:17:28,810 --> 01:17:31,730 when I--like, I just fell into the flat bottom. 1358 01:17:34,149 --> 01:17:36,860 That was at a time when I wasn't really making 1359 01:17:36,943 --> 01:17:39,071 a good living skating. 1360 01:17:39,154 --> 01:17:41,531 I'll never forget that day, because I was trying it-- 1361 01:17:41,615 --> 01:17:44,910 my son Riley, he was in kindergarten. 1362 01:17:44,993 --> 01:17:47,371 I was late to pick him up to kindergarten 1363 01:17:47,454 --> 01:17:49,581 'cause I was stuck trying this trick on the ramp. 1364 01:17:49,664 --> 01:17:51,666 I broke my rib trying it, 1365 01:17:51,750 --> 01:17:53,627 but I still had to get there to pick him up. 1366 01:17:55,420 --> 01:17:57,714 It was a moment in life where it was like, 1367 01:17:57,798 --> 01:17:59,800 "What am I doing?" 1368 01:18:06,932 --> 01:18:08,725 "I just can't do it." 1369 01:18:17,567 --> 01:18:20,237 - They'd been trying it for so long, right? 1370 01:18:20,320 --> 01:18:23,740 I think it was almost 12 years. 1371 01:18:23,824 --> 01:18:26,076 - You ever not committed to a landing on a trick 1372 01:18:26,159 --> 01:18:27,494 before in your life? 1373 01:18:29,413 --> 01:18:32,040 - That's a good question. 1374 01:18:32,124 --> 01:18:36,628 I had never gotten so close to a trick and given up on it. 1375 01:18:36,711 --> 01:18:38,130 Never. 1376 01:18:38,213 --> 01:18:40,298 Someone's got to do this. 1377 01:18:40,382 --> 01:18:42,509 Someone's got to break through this boundary. 1378 01:19:49,201 --> 01:19:50,911 - When he's going after a trick, 1379 01:19:50,994 --> 01:19:52,662 you can watch him get closer and closer, 1380 01:19:52,746 --> 01:19:54,998 'cause he's making little adjustments in his head. 1381 01:20:12,599 --> 01:20:14,267 - When he knows he's getting close, 1382 01:20:14,351 --> 01:20:17,270 he does not give up on a trick unless his body breaks. 1383 01:20:17,354 --> 01:20:20,148 He'll just throw himself and slam, slam, slam, slam. 1384 01:20:26,321 --> 01:20:28,865 - The 900 was a little different, 1385 01:20:28,949 --> 01:20:31,701 'cause that really trashes your body super quick. 1386 01:20:44,506 --> 01:20:45,757 - I still don't get it, man. 1387 01:20:45,840 --> 01:20:48,969 I don't know how Tony can keep spinning it and keep his mind. 1388 01:20:49,052 --> 01:20:52,847 Like, it's got to make you fuckin' freak out. 1389 01:20:52,931 --> 01:20:56,601 Like, a 720. And then the 900? Like, how? 1390 01:20:56,685 --> 01:21:00,146 It's too hard. It's just too much spinning. 1391 01:21:00,230 --> 01:21:04,150 - He tried to do it in a bullring in Tijuana. 1392 01:21:04,234 --> 01:21:06,736 And he had another attempt 1393 01:21:06,820 --> 01:21:09,698 where I thought it was gonna kill him. 1394 01:21:09,781 --> 01:21:12,367 His pursuit of that was personal, 1395 01:21:12,450 --> 01:21:14,369 but it was also at a time when skateboarding 1396 01:21:14,452 --> 01:21:18,081 was just kind of coming back up into being popular again. 1397 01:21:18,164 --> 01:21:19,916 - Well, the X Games gave him 1398 01:21:20,000 --> 01:21:22,502 the biggest platform he's ever had. 1399 01:21:22,586 --> 01:21:24,796 - I heard ESPN was gonna do an event 1400 01:21:24,879 --> 01:21:26,131 and include skateboarding. 1401 01:21:26,214 --> 01:21:29,175 I was like, "Skateboarding is gonna be on ESPN. 1402 01:21:29,259 --> 01:21:30,760 That means something." 1403 01:21:30,844 --> 01:21:32,971 I was hyped, 'cause I had never quit skating vert. 1404 01:21:33,054 --> 01:21:36,224 - The technical difficulty is just immense, 1405 01:21:36,308 --> 01:21:37,809 and this guy pulls it off 1406 01:21:37,893 --> 01:21:39,978 as if he's going for a walk through the park. 1407 01:21:40,061 --> 01:21:42,272 - I was there for the first X Games. 1408 01:21:42,355 --> 01:21:43,732 I was there for "The Tony Hawk Show," 1409 01:21:43,815 --> 01:21:46,568 as all the other skaters called it. 1410 01:21:46,651 --> 01:21:49,321 He won the vert contest. He won the street contest. 1411 01:21:49,404 --> 01:21:50,530 - Tony Hawk. 1412 01:21:50,614 --> 01:21:52,115 - After the first X Games, 1413 01:21:52,198 --> 01:21:54,659 there was a little bit more interest. 1414 01:21:54,743 --> 01:21:56,661 It raised the bar a little bit. 1415 01:21:58,997 --> 01:22:01,124 And then when the second X Games came around, 1416 01:22:01,207 --> 01:22:03,335 that's when you could tell something was happening. 1417 01:22:03,418 --> 01:22:05,170 - Riley Hawk. 1418 01:22:05,253 --> 01:22:08,006 His father has locked up the gold medal. 1419 01:22:13,637 --> 01:22:15,680 - He is going huge. 1420 01:22:17,766 --> 01:22:22,187 Gymnastics has its Nadia, but skateboarding has Hawk. 1421 01:22:22,270 --> 01:22:24,689 - Nobody else skates like Tony Hawk. 1422 01:22:24,773 --> 01:22:26,107 - He is a hero. 1423 01:22:26,191 --> 01:22:27,776 - Tony Hawk, the best skateboarder 1424 01:22:27,859 --> 01:22:29,402 the sport has ever seen. - Tony Hawk. 1425 01:22:29,486 --> 01:22:32,280 That is the best skateboarder in the world. 1426 01:22:40,080 --> 01:22:41,164 - Hi, Dad. 1427 01:22:41,247 --> 01:22:43,166 I know that we don't get to talk too much 1428 01:22:43,249 --> 01:22:44,334 about what you do around here, 1429 01:22:44,417 --> 01:22:46,544 but I just want you to know that I appreciate it, 1430 01:22:46,628 --> 01:22:51,466 and...that we just thought that we'd make a video 1431 01:22:51,549 --> 01:22:54,678 saying thanks for all the great stuff. 1432 01:22:56,346 --> 01:23:00,767 My siblings and my mom and I had steeled ourself, 1433 01:23:00,850 --> 01:23:03,603 ready for him to have a heart attack at any minute, 1434 01:23:03,687 --> 01:23:05,814 because he just didn't take care of himself. 1435 01:23:05,897 --> 01:23:07,816 And it was like, that's what's gonna happen. 1436 01:23:07,899 --> 01:23:12,654 And we all almost were all waiting for that to happen. 1437 01:23:12,737 --> 01:23:14,406 So we all had prepared ourselves for that, 1438 01:23:14,489 --> 01:23:17,033 and then one day, 1439 01:23:17,117 --> 01:23:19,869 he finds out he has lung cancer. 1440 01:23:19,953 --> 01:23:22,706 He was in his final stages, 1441 01:23:22,789 --> 01:23:26,209 super rail thin, stuck in bed. 1442 01:23:26,292 --> 01:23:28,253 I went on this tour in Europe, 1443 01:23:28,336 --> 01:23:31,297 and I just felt weird about being there, 1444 01:23:31,381 --> 01:23:34,426 'cause I knew that he was degrading rapidly, 1445 01:23:34,509 --> 01:23:36,469 so I came home early from the tour. 1446 01:23:36,553 --> 01:23:39,139 And he said, "You have to do your thing. 1447 01:23:39,222 --> 01:23:41,349 You can't just sit here and watch me die." 1448 01:23:41,433 --> 01:23:44,894 For the most part, sent me to Woodward. 1449 01:23:44,978 --> 01:23:47,605 I heard a call over the intercom. 1450 01:23:47,689 --> 01:23:50,567 "Tony Hawk, will you please pick up the phone?" 1451 01:23:51,609 --> 01:23:53,403 When my mom called me at Woodward, 1452 01:23:53,486 --> 01:23:55,405 she just broke down crying and just said, 1453 01:23:55,488 --> 01:23:57,991 "He loved you so much." 1454 01:23:58,074 --> 01:23:59,325 And that was the first time 1455 01:23:59,409 --> 01:24:02,579 she really got emotional about my dad. 1456 01:24:42,035 --> 01:24:43,620 - It's a very unique sport. 1457 01:24:43,703 --> 01:24:45,330 It's the only sport in the world I know 1458 01:24:45,413 --> 01:24:47,624 where competitors-- I've watched 'em in the middle 1459 01:24:47,707 --> 01:24:50,043 of heavy competition encouraging each other. 1460 01:24:52,587 --> 01:24:54,798 And earnestly encouraging each other. 1461 01:24:54,881 --> 01:24:57,175 Not many competitions do that. 1462 01:24:57,258 --> 01:24:58,968 - So you think it's a good sport? 1463 01:24:59,052 --> 01:25:01,012 - Oh, yeah. Yeah. Definitely. 1464 01:25:01,095 --> 01:25:03,181 And I'd like to see it continue as a sport. 1465 01:25:06,267 --> 01:25:07,560 - I can guarantee you 1466 01:25:07,644 --> 01:25:09,813 that every single one of those skateboarders today 1467 01:25:09,896 --> 01:25:11,356 would look back on him fondly. 1468 01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:13,191 Guarantee it. 1469 01:25:13,274 --> 01:25:14,859 I guarantee it. 1470 01:25:16,361 --> 01:25:17,862 - His dad was like a second dad to me. 1471 01:25:17,946 --> 01:25:21,324 Like, he was just an amazing person. 1472 01:25:21,407 --> 01:25:24,702 - I could only imagine, you know, my family 1473 01:25:24,786 --> 01:25:26,704 doing what his family did for him, you know? 1474 01:25:26,788 --> 01:25:28,790 Like, I would dream about that. 1475 01:25:28,873 --> 01:25:30,416 Like, "Wow, what would that be like? 1476 01:25:30,500 --> 01:25:32,252 Nah, my dad would never do that." 1477 01:25:36,965 --> 01:25:41,177 - Tony had me do something right when his dad died, 1478 01:25:41,261 --> 01:25:44,055 and I was talking shit at that thing. 1479 01:25:44,138 --> 01:25:49,227 I think I said something real stupid in an interview. 1480 01:25:49,310 --> 01:25:52,647 "Glad he's gone," or something fucked up. 1481 01:25:52,730 --> 01:25:55,733 X Games, he's up there riding. 1482 01:25:55,817 --> 01:25:58,361 My son just died ten days ago. 1483 01:25:58,444 --> 01:25:59,696 He's got me. 1484 01:25:59,779 --> 01:26:01,656 So I get up there and I'm like-- 1485 01:26:01,739 --> 01:26:03,741 and the first thing I said was, 1486 01:26:03,825 --> 01:26:05,326 "Got me now, motherfucker. 1487 01:26:05,410 --> 01:26:06,828 What are you gonna say?" 1488 01:26:06,911 --> 01:26:11,749 And then he goes, "Duane, I'm super sorry about Chess." 1489 01:26:11,833 --> 01:26:14,210 I fucking--I mean... 1490 01:26:17,213 --> 01:26:18,756 And he goes, "You got a minute?" 1491 01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:20,633 'Cause cameras are on this guy 1492 01:26:20,717 --> 01:26:22,802 every-fucking-where he goes. 1493 01:26:22,886 --> 01:26:26,097 So it's like, we go down to some, like, area 1494 01:26:26,180 --> 01:26:28,975 and fucking away from-- and just total 1495 01:26:29,058 --> 01:26:32,979 personal fucking cool-- like, what the fuck? 1496 01:26:33,062 --> 01:26:35,607 What a cool--I didn't-- you know, 1497 01:26:35,690 --> 01:26:37,066 I didn't expect that. 1498 01:26:37,150 --> 01:26:38,568 That was nice. 1499 01:26:38,651 --> 01:26:40,570 And I was really blown away. 1500 01:26:40,653 --> 01:26:42,864 Like, my kid fucking looked up to him, 1501 01:26:42,947 --> 01:26:45,825 and I let him know that. 1502 01:26:45,909 --> 01:26:48,995 You know? "He looked up to you, man." 1503 01:26:51,164 --> 01:26:53,708 So I look at things 1504 01:26:53,791 --> 01:26:56,294 totally fucking different, you know? 1505 01:26:56,377 --> 01:26:58,755 And... 1506 01:26:58,838 --> 01:27:02,508 you know... 1507 01:27:02,592 --> 01:27:06,512 when his--his dad died 1508 01:27:06,596 --> 01:27:08,723 and I said that in the-- 1509 01:27:11,893 --> 01:27:14,270 'Cause it was just me and him. 1510 01:27:14,354 --> 01:27:16,898 And, you know, that's how life works. 1511 01:27:16,981 --> 01:27:19,025 It's a fucking weird game. 1512 01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:23,446 And all that baton twirling shit, 1513 01:27:23,529 --> 01:27:26,324 he fucking stepped it up for all of us. 1514 01:27:26,407 --> 01:27:27,575 All that fucking shit-- 1515 01:27:27,659 --> 01:27:30,620 you know how much time it takes to learn tricks like that? 1516 01:27:33,164 --> 01:27:34,832 - Okay, everybody. 1517 01:27:34,916 --> 01:27:37,335 We want to hear everybody in the house right now. 1518 01:27:37,418 --> 01:27:38,670 Boys, girls, 1519 01:27:38,753 --> 01:27:40,463 ladies, and gentlemen, 1520 01:27:40,546 --> 01:27:41,673 wrapping up 1521 01:27:41,756 --> 01:27:42,674 our Best Tricks contest. 1522 01:27:42,757 --> 01:27:43,675 But don't forget, 1523 01:27:43,758 --> 01:27:45,134 you're gonna pick the winner. 1524 01:27:45,218 --> 01:27:47,512 Right now, Tony's got a shot at it. 1525 01:27:47,595 --> 01:27:49,973 Can he do it? Let's see it. 1526 01:27:52,809 --> 01:27:54,477 - Yeah. 1527 01:27:54,560 --> 01:27:58,314 900, try not to--look at him focused out here. 1528 01:27:58,398 --> 01:28:01,526 - We love you, crowd! We love you! 1529 01:28:01,609 --> 01:28:03,611 - Yeah. Keep it up. Keep it up. 1530 01:28:03,695 --> 01:28:06,364 900! 900! 1531 01:28:06,447 --> 01:28:08,116 This could be it. 1532 01:28:08,199 --> 01:28:09,450 Oh! 1533 01:28:09,534 --> 01:28:12,203 - Oh, the closest one! 1534 01:28:12,286 --> 01:28:14,539 - There was always one or two really small things 1535 01:28:14,622 --> 01:28:17,041 that made the 9 almost impossible to land. 1536 01:28:17,125 --> 01:28:19,711 And I think one of those things clicked there, 1537 01:28:19,794 --> 01:28:22,422 and he went, "I'm--I actually felt better 1538 01:28:22,505 --> 01:28:24,048 "than I've ever felt spinning that 9, 1539 01:28:24,132 --> 01:28:26,009 so I'm not gonna stop." 1540 01:28:26,092 --> 01:28:27,969 - You guys, you guys want to see one more? 1541 01:28:28,052 --> 01:28:29,721 Tony Hawk coming close. 1542 01:28:29,804 --> 01:28:30,888 - Here we go, folks. 1543 01:28:30,972 --> 01:28:33,057 - History in the making. 1544 01:28:33,141 --> 01:28:35,351 Who wouldn't want to be right here? 1545 01:28:35,435 --> 01:28:36,978 Making history. 1546 01:28:37,061 --> 01:28:40,064 Never, ever been done before on the skateboard. 1547 01:28:40,148 --> 01:28:42,191 He's coming close. 1548 01:28:42,275 --> 01:28:44,318 Yeah, here we go. 900! 1549 01:28:44,402 --> 01:28:46,404 900! 1550 01:28:49,282 --> 01:28:52,869 Oh-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho! 1551 01:28:52,952 --> 01:28:56,080 - Oh, baby! 1552 01:28:56,164 --> 01:28:57,665 All right, stomp your feet! 1553 01:29:33,201 --> 01:29:35,620 - You saw him going inward more and more and more 1554 01:29:35,703 --> 01:29:38,122 each and every time, and you knew--or I knew, 1555 01:29:38,206 --> 01:29:42,001 watching, like, he really isn't gonna stop. 1556 01:29:42,085 --> 01:29:44,170 And I had been there when he'd only stopped before 1557 01:29:44,253 --> 01:29:46,297 'cause he broke a rib. 1558 01:29:46,380 --> 01:29:49,634 - He just said, "I'm either gonna make this trick, 1559 01:29:49,717 --> 01:29:52,303 "or someone's gonna take me off in a stretcher. 1560 01:29:52,386 --> 01:29:53,763 That's how it's gonna go." 1561 01:30:00,728 --> 01:30:03,648 all: Tony! Tony! Tony! 1562 01:30:27,380 --> 01:30:30,883 all: Tony! Tony! Tony! Tony! 1563 01:30:33,594 --> 01:30:35,054 - It was almost as if his mind was going... 1564 01:30:38,724 --> 01:30:40,685 You know, squishing down further and further. 1565 01:30:40,768 --> 01:30:43,229 And you can just see... 1566 01:30:43,312 --> 01:30:46,107 how much intensity it took from him. 1567 01:30:48,276 --> 01:30:50,987 - 9! 9! 9! 9! 1568 01:30:51,070 --> 01:30:53,364 9! 9! 1569 01:30:53,447 --> 01:30:55,867 There it is! 1570 01:31:02,957 --> 01:31:04,375 - This is important to this guy. 1571 01:31:04,458 --> 01:31:06,669 He's focused. He is prepped. 1572 01:31:06,752 --> 01:31:08,254 This is history in the making. 1573 01:31:14,510 --> 01:31:16,679 9! 9! Tony Hawk! 1574 01:31:16,762 --> 01:31:20,516 Tony Hawk! Tony! Tony! Tony! 1575 01:31:20,600 --> 01:31:22,518 900! 1576 01:31:22,602 --> 01:31:25,897 900! 1577 01:31:25,980 --> 01:31:29,442 Oh! So close. 1578 01:31:29,525 --> 01:31:32,945 The closest I've ever seen anyone before. 1579 01:31:34,614 --> 01:31:40,036 Ooh, what is going on in 1999 in vertical skateboard history? 1580 01:31:40,119 --> 01:31:42,747 - We got Andy. 1581 01:31:42,830 --> 01:31:44,707 - All this energy. These guys are going on. 1582 01:31:50,713 --> 01:31:52,465 Everybody picture it. Here we go. 1583 01:32:01,224 --> 01:32:04,435 - Yeah! - Oh! 1584 01:32:04,518 --> 01:32:06,687 Are you kidding me? 1585 01:32:06,771 --> 01:32:09,607 Yeah! Look at this! 1586 01:32:09,690 --> 01:32:12,985 Tony Hawk, everybody! 1587 01:32:13,069 --> 01:32:14,737 Yeah! Look at this! 1588 01:32:53,276 --> 01:32:55,027 - I've never seen Tony 1589 01:32:55,111 --> 01:32:58,614 explosively emotional like that. 1590 01:32:58,698 --> 01:33:01,450 Says a lot about that sense 1591 01:33:01,534 --> 01:33:04,120 of what he found out about himself 1592 01:33:04,203 --> 01:33:06,205 by making himself do that trick. 1593 01:33:07,373 --> 01:33:10,501 - It had nothing to do with the physical motions 1594 01:33:10,585 --> 01:33:11,502 of that trick. 1595 01:33:11,585 --> 01:33:13,546 It was all here. 1596 01:33:17,216 --> 01:33:19,844 - It's just a trick. 1597 01:33:19,927 --> 01:33:22,888 But to me, the ones that make the most difference 1598 01:33:22,972 --> 01:33:25,516 in who I am as a man, 1599 01:33:25,599 --> 01:33:28,060 as a person... 1600 01:33:28,144 --> 01:33:29,812 is when you've redlined it so much 1601 01:33:29,895 --> 01:33:32,148 that you did something that you didn't know 1602 01:33:32,231 --> 01:33:34,150 if you had it in you to do it. 1603 01:33:34,233 --> 01:33:37,403 That's a different kind of proving ground. 1604 01:33:38,988 --> 01:33:41,198 That shifts something within you. 1605 01:33:46,996 --> 01:33:51,250 - I could feel the thrill that I got 1606 01:33:51,334 --> 01:33:53,544 from anything I've done through him. 1607 01:33:53,627 --> 01:33:55,212 It was huge. 1608 01:33:55,296 --> 01:33:59,884 Like, I was so excited to see him do that. 1609 01:33:59,967 --> 01:34:02,970 So excited and happy for him. 1610 01:34:03,054 --> 01:34:05,222 You know, I just knew what was going on. 1611 01:34:05,306 --> 01:34:09,060 Like, I've never reached that, 1612 01:34:09,143 --> 01:34:10,770 because I'll never do a 900. 1613 01:34:10,853 --> 01:34:12,271 But I've reached it in other things. 1614 01:34:12,355 --> 01:34:15,191 And just the feel of that and the win of that 1615 01:34:15,274 --> 01:34:17,693 and the--it's just rad. 1616 01:34:17,777 --> 01:34:18,861 It's huge. 1617 01:34:18,944 --> 01:34:21,405 It's so--it's killer. It's so good. 1618 01:34:23,616 --> 01:34:26,327 - Sean Mortimer called me up, like, two minutes 1619 01:34:26,410 --> 01:34:28,662 after he landed it from the ramp and said, 1620 01:34:28,746 --> 01:34:31,040 "Your brother just landed a 9! 1621 01:34:31,123 --> 01:34:34,043 It's like a war ended!" 1622 01:34:37,213 --> 01:34:38,881 The thing I love about the 900 1623 01:34:38,964 --> 01:34:41,675 that doesn't get talked about much was that... 1624 01:34:41,759 --> 01:34:44,220 that moment is kind of in sports history, 1625 01:34:44,303 --> 01:34:46,263 which really was a moment in sports history, 1626 01:34:46,347 --> 01:34:48,474 could only have happened in skateboarding, 1627 01:34:48,557 --> 01:34:51,894 because any other sport, 1628 01:34:51,977 --> 01:34:54,105 the clock ran out. 1629 01:34:54,188 --> 01:34:55,439 It was done. 1630 01:34:55,523 --> 01:34:56,899 Like, that wouldn't have happened 1631 01:34:56,982 --> 01:34:58,651 if they'd had skateboarding in the Olympics, 1632 01:34:58,734 --> 01:35:00,277 'cause you know, once the clock ran out, 1633 01:35:00,361 --> 01:35:03,239 they would have run up and chained up the ramp 1634 01:35:03,322 --> 01:35:05,491 and said, "Okay, we're done." But the-- 1635 01:35:05,574 --> 01:35:08,077 - The irony is, if your dad was running the-- 1636 01:35:08,160 --> 01:35:09,370 - Oh, my God. 1637 01:35:09,453 --> 01:35:10,621 You know, that just occurred to me. 1638 01:35:10,704 --> 01:35:11,997 If my dad had been running the show, 1639 01:35:12,081 --> 01:35:13,916 it wouldn't have happened. 1640 01:35:13,999 --> 01:35:16,961 Fuck. That just occurred to me. 1641 01:35:19,088 --> 01:35:22,466 - I wish my dad had been able to see the recognition 1642 01:35:22,550 --> 01:35:24,260 and the appreciation that skateboarding got 1643 01:35:24,343 --> 01:35:26,470 after '99, 2000. 1644 01:35:26,554 --> 01:35:28,639 Even in his wildest dreams, 1645 01:35:28,722 --> 01:35:31,642 he thought that skateboard contests would be bigger, 1646 01:35:31,725 --> 01:35:34,353 but he would have never imagined 1647 01:35:34,437 --> 01:35:36,605 that it blew up the way it did. 1648 01:35:38,107 --> 01:35:40,317 - Las Vegas, put your hands together 1649 01:35:40,401 --> 01:35:43,320 for the Boom Boom HuckJam! 1650 01:35:57,877 --> 01:36:00,546 - Whoo-hoo! 1651 01:36:09,472 --> 01:36:12,266 - Suddenly, we were rock stars again, 1652 01:36:12,349 --> 01:36:15,186 but on a completely different level. 1653 01:36:16,437 --> 01:36:21,066 Performing in arenas, selling out night after night. 1654 01:36:21,150 --> 01:36:22,651 We had a setup that filled an arena floor. 1655 01:36:22,735 --> 01:36:24,820 We were way bigger than a rock tour. 1656 01:36:24,904 --> 01:36:26,489 We filled the entire arena floor 1657 01:36:26,572 --> 01:36:29,283 with ramps and lights, pyrotechnics. 1658 01:36:32,286 --> 01:36:34,038 - It was high-pressure skateboarding. 1659 01:36:34,121 --> 01:36:35,956 It was like, you have to make this trick, 1660 01:36:36,040 --> 01:36:37,625 or a motorcycle could land on you. 1661 01:36:41,128 --> 01:36:43,589 - I can remember watching the Boom Boom HuckJam, 1662 01:36:43,672 --> 01:36:47,593 and other ladies my age were-- just couldn't watch. 1663 01:36:47,676 --> 01:36:49,011 Their hands were over their face, 1664 01:36:49,094 --> 01:36:51,096 and they were just terrified. 1665 01:36:56,852 --> 01:36:58,229 - Every night was a new city. 1666 01:36:58,312 --> 01:37:01,565 They would put a piece of tape on the deck of the ramp. 1667 01:37:01,649 --> 01:37:03,025 When they handed you the microphone, 1668 01:37:03,108 --> 01:37:04,652 you could glance down at that tape 1669 01:37:04,735 --> 01:37:06,529 so you didn't go... 1670 01:37:06,612 --> 01:37:09,156 "Thank you, Philadelphia," and you're really in Chicago. 1671 01:37:10,950 --> 01:37:12,117 - Living in the lap of luxury. 1672 01:37:12,201 --> 01:37:15,079 Like, people were providing for us at every turn. 1673 01:37:17,289 --> 01:37:20,292 Flying in and out of the tour on Tony's private jet, 1674 01:37:20,376 --> 01:37:22,253 staying in these great hotels. 1675 01:37:24,004 --> 01:37:26,173 - It's all younger dudes, mostly single. 1676 01:37:26,257 --> 01:37:29,093 And it was just like, the world is yours. 1677 01:37:29,176 --> 01:37:30,970 You guys are, you know, Led Zeppelin tonight. 1678 01:37:35,349 --> 01:37:37,434 - "Come on, Tony, let's go! We got this club downtown." 1679 01:37:37,518 --> 01:37:40,062 Like, the tour manager would call ahead and be like, 1680 01:37:40,145 --> 01:37:43,399 "Hey, we got Tony Hawk coming. Make sure the door's open." 1681 01:37:51,323 --> 01:37:53,117 - There's a part of that where it's like, 1682 01:37:53,200 --> 01:37:56,245 "Okay, so now what? So now you're a rock star? 1683 01:37:56,328 --> 01:37:59,290 So now you have all this excess?" 1684 01:38:04,795 --> 01:38:07,798 - You know, Activision came to him to do the video game, 1685 01:38:07,881 --> 01:38:09,258 and it was the best company, 1686 01:38:09,341 --> 01:38:10,634 and they had the best developer, 1687 01:38:10,718 --> 01:38:13,137 and, you know, he was hands-on. 1688 01:38:18,100 --> 01:38:20,311 - They developed this game that he never thought 1689 01:38:20,394 --> 01:38:24,064 was gonna be particularly popular amongst everybody. 1690 01:38:24,148 --> 01:38:26,609 He thought skaters would like it. 1691 01:38:26,692 --> 01:38:28,611 - When the fourth game was released, 1692 01:38:28,694 --> 01:38:30,863 the first three were still in the top ten of sales. 1693 01:38:30,946 --> 01:38:33,490 And Activision called a meeting with me. 1694 01:38:33,574 --> 01:38:35,492 I went and met one of the guys I worked with. 1695 01:38:35,576 --> 01:38:37,494 I met him for lunch, and he said-- 1696 01:38:37,578 --> 01:38:38,996 he explained to me what was happening. 1697 01:38:39,079 --> 01:38:40,623 He's like, "Well, this is in the top sales, 1698 01:38:40,706 --> 01:38:41,790 and now it's a best hit." 1699 01:38:41,874 --> 01:38:42,791 I go, "What does that mean?" 1700 01:38:42,875 --> 01:38:44,168 He goes, "This is what it means," 1701 01:38:44,251 --> 01:38:47,504 and he hands me a check for $4.5 million. 1702 01:38:47,588 --> 01:38:50,674 And I was like, "Oh, my God." 1703 01:38:50,758 --> 01:38:52,343 And then two years later, 1704 01:38:52,426 --> 01:38:54,553 they gave me an advance of $20 million. 1705 01:38:54,637 --> 01:38:57,765 - Tony was getting recognized everywhere. 1706 01:38:57,848 --> 01:39:00,184 He was the face of skateboarding. 1707 01:39:00,267 --> 01:39:02,895 - I never got into skateboarding to be famous. 1708 01:39:02,978 --> 01:39:04,855 I never thought I'd be famous. 1709 01:39:04,938 --> 01:39:06,899 And then I was famous, and I was like, 1710 01:39:06,982 --> 01:39:08,817 "Well, I'm famous now. 1711 01:39:08,901 --> 01:39:12,154 I guess I'm supposed to do all this stuff." 1712 01:39:12,237 --> 01:39:15,407 But it's the worst drug. 1713 01:39:15,491 --> 01:39:16,533 It's the worst drug. 1714 01:39:16,617 --> 01:39:17,618 - You got to let him go. 1715 01:39:17,701 --> 01:39:18,911 Come on, let him go through. 1716 01:39:18,994 --> 01:39:20,204 - And it's so easy to fall into. 1717 01:39:20,287 --> 01:39:21,997 It's crazy. 1718 01:39:22,081 --> 01:39:23,666 There was infidelity, 1719 01:39:23,749 --> 01:39:27,419 lying to myself about justification, 1720 01:39:27,503 --> 01:39:29,380 you know, not being honest with others, 1721 01:39:29,463 --> 01:39:31,423 not being honest with myself. 1722 01:39:31,507 --> 01:39:33,133 A lot of other things 1723 01:39:33,217 --> 01:39:34,843 that should have taken priority in my life, 1724 01:39:34,927 --> 01:39:37,930 especially my kids, fell by the wayside. 1725 01:39:38,013 --> 01:39:40,516 I had issues with intimacy already, 1726 01:39:40,599 --> 01:39:44,144 and then I'm in this crazy scenario. 1727 01:39:44,228 --> 01:39:45,521 I didn't like myself. 1728 01:39:45,604 --> 01:39:48,023 I didn't like the choices I was making. 1729 01:39:48,107 --> 01:39:51,360 And that started to spiral worse and worse. 1730 01:39:51,443 --> 01:39:52,653 I'm gonna distract over here. 1731 01:39:52,736 --> 01:39:54,029 I'm gonna anesthetize with this. 1732 01:39:54,113 --> 01:39:56,573 And it was just like, "What's wrong with you? 1733 01:39:56,657 --> 01:39:58,534 Why can't you just be content?" 1734 01:40:02,037 --> 01:40:03,956 People aren't even happy at home to see me. 1735 01:40:04,039 --> 01:40:06,542 Everyone's happy to see me out on the road. 1736 01:40:06,625 --> 01:40:09,378 They welcome me. 1737 01:40:09,461 --> 01:40:10,421 "New York Times" wants to talk to me. 1738 01:40:10,504 --> 01:40:11,422 I gotta go do that. 1739 01:40:11,505 --> 01:40:13,924 I gotta fly here for this charity event, 1740 01:40:14,007 --> 01:40:15,259 'cause they invited me. 1741 01:40:15,342 --> 01:40:16,719 There's a movie premiere. They want me. 1742 01:40:16,802 --> 01:40:18,095 I gotta be on the red carpet. 1743 01:40:18,178 --> 01:40:19,596 Well, of course I gotta go to-- 1744 01:40:19,680 --> 01:40:23,767 I gotta go to Monaco for the "Sports Awards"... 1745 01:40:23,851 --> 01:40:25,936 that I'm not even nominated for. 1746 01:40:26,019 --> 01:40:31,066 And then I'd be there and at some point back alone 1747 01:40:31,150 --> 01:40:34,695 and just thinking, "Why aren't you just home?" 1748 01:40:40,826 --> 01:40:43,787 - The whole concept of, like, yeah, people asking me, like, 1749 01:40:43,871 --> 01:40:46,248 "What's it like to have your dad be Tony Hawk?" 1750 01:40:46,331 --> 01:40:47,541 It's like, it's the only thing I know, 1751 01:40:47,624 --> 01:40:49,918 so I don't know what it's not like. 1752 01:40:51,754 --> 01:40:54,798 - Riley was with me through all of my relationships 1753 01:40:54,882 --> 01:40:58,510 and challenges and turmoil. 1754 01:40:58,594 --> 01:41:00,763 Riley had a rough upbringing 1755 01:41:00,846 --> 01:41:04,433 with a lot of different co-parents 1756 01:41:04,516 --> 01:41:06,477 and half siblings. 1757 01:41:06,560 --> 01:41:08,979 And he just went along with it, 1758 01:41:09,062 --> 01:41:11,440 'cause he didn't--obviously, he didn't have a choice. 1759 01:41:11,523 --> 01:41:13,275 - It definitely was tricky being the oldest 1760 01:41:13,358 --> 01:41:15,486 of two families 1761 01:41:15,569 --> 01:41:17,154 and two separate sets of siblings, 1762 01:41:17,237 --> 01:41:18,906 because you're just kind of, like-- 1763 01:41:18,989 --> 01:41:21,867 I was the only one doing this. 1764 01:41:23,368 --> 01:41:25,078 - We were on tour once, 1765 01:41:25,162 --> 01:41:27,790 and I should have really just enjoyed that aspect. 1766 01:41:27,873 --> 01:41:29,958 Like, "Oh, Riley's here on tour." 1767 01:41:30,042 --> 01:41:31,293 And I remember him looking at me like, 1768 01:41:31,376 --> 01:41:34,713 "Are you gonna go out again tonight?" 1769 01:41:34,797 --> 01:41:36,381 And I was thinking, like, "Aw, well, 1770 01:41:36,465 --> 01:41:38,050 you're just gonna fall asleep. It's okay." 1771 01:41:38,133 --> 01:41:39,468 Like, "Someone will be in the room with you. 1772 01:41:39,551 --> 01:41:40,844 It'll be all right." 1773 01:41:40,928 --> 01:41:43,180 And, like, I think back to those times, like, 1774 01:41:43,263 --> 01:41:45,057 "You should have taken that as a sign." 1775 01:41:47,476 --> 01:41:50,354 My other kids, they only saw one relationship 1776 01:41:50,437 --> 01:41:51,688 or two relationships. 1777 01:41:51,772 --> 01:41:53,982 And they're like, "Oh, this is your pattern. 1778 01:41:54,066 --> 01:41:55,901 This is what you do." 1779 01:41:55,984 --> 01:41:57,861 I didn't know how to live in my own skin. 1780 01:41:57,945 --> 01:42:01,698 I didn't know how to-- how to like myself. 1781 01:42:01,782 --> 01:42:04,743 And I didn't know how to... 1782 01:42:04,827 --> 01:42:08,539 be a husband or a father 1783 01:42:08,622 --> 01:42:10,874 that I would be proud of. 1784 01:42:16,672 --> 01:42:18,006 Chef has arrived. 1785 01:42:22,636 --> 01:42:26,515 So scary that you cut towards your fingers. 1786 01:42:26,598 --> 01:42:28,016 - No. 1787 01:42:28,100 --> 01:42:31,645 - It's scary to me as the adult figure 1788 01:42:31,728 --> 01:42:32,896 and the one that's supposed to be responsible 1789 01:42:32,980 --> 01:42:34,022 for your safety. 1790 01:42:34,106 --> 01:42:36,191 That frightens me. - This frightens you? 1791 01:42:36,275 --> 01:42:37,526 - Yes. 1792 01:42:41,780 --> 01:42:43,365 - No, but come down here. 1793 01:42:43,448 --> 01:42:45,659 - Are you guys pretending like you guys cook? 1794 01:42:45,742 --> 01:42:48,704 - Oh! - He took the trash out, too. 1795 01:42:48,787 --> 01:42:51,206 And he went to the grocery store. 1796 01:42:51,290 --> 01:42:52,875 - I am a hunter and gatherer. 1797 01:42:52,958 --> 01:42:55,794 I hunt and gather income by riding a skateboard. 1798 01:42:57,838 --> 01:42:58,881 - When I met Tony, 1799 01:42:58,964 --> 01:43:00,924 there was just something very comfortable 1800 01:43:01,008 --> 01:43:02,467 about being around him. 1801 01:43:02,551 --> 01:43:04,177 Like, kind of like when you meet somebody 1802 01:43:04,261 --> 01:43:08,140 that you feel like you've known kind of feeling. 1803 01:43:08,223 --> 01:43:10,475 You're just the worst. He's the worst. 1804 01:43:10,559 --> 01:43:12,144 - Oh, my God, he just-- - He's the worst. 1805 01:43:12,227 --> 01:43:14,187 - He's the worst. 1806 01:43:14,271 --> 01:43:16,732 - When Cathy and I found 1807 01:43:16,815 --> 01:43:19,318 that there could be this chance of romance, 1808 01:43:19,401 --> 01:43:24,156 I knew deep down I had not figured out my life. 1809 01:43:24,239 --> 01:43:26,241 Like, I had not figured out how to function 1810 01:43:26,325 --> 01:43:28,118 in a committed relationship, 1811 01:43:28,201 --> 01:43:30,454 and I carried all this baggage. 1812 01:43:30,537 --> 01:43:34,124 And I didn't think she knew the depths of it. 1813 01:43:34,207 --> 01:43:36,877 - He didn't know how to... 1814 01:43:38,378 --> 01:43:41,214 Express his real, true feelings. 1815 01:43:42,549 --> 01:43:46,553 There's just some holes there that he filled 1816 01:43:46,637 --> 01:43:48,138 with skateboarding. 1817 01:43:48,221 --> 01:43:50,515 And skateboarding fed so much 1818 01:43:50,599 --> 01:43:53,060 of what he was lacking 1819 01:43:53,143 --> 01:43:54,811 that I don't know if he developed 1820 01:43:54,895 --> 01:43:57,147 how to get those things other ways. 1821 01:43:57,230 --> 01:44:00,734 Even the relationship with his parents was around skating. 1822 01:44:00,817 --> 01:44:04,613 Everything was around skating. 1823 01:44:04,696 --> 01:44:06,490 - I had to go make a change. Like, I just knew it. 1824 01:44:06,573 --> 01:44:08,659 I knew I wasn't capable of doing it myself. 1825 01:44:10,786 --> 01:44:12,245 Checked into a place. 1826 01:44:12,329 --> 01:44:14,915 And...it was hard. 1827 01:44:14,998 --> 01:44:16,250 It was super hard. 1828 01:44:18,168 --> 01:44:19,962 And where do you even start? 1829 01:44:22,089 --> 01:44:23,840 There's a skate park downtown. 1830 01:44:23,924 --> 01:44:28,053 I was at that skate park at00 a.m. every single day. 1831 01:44:28,929 --> 01:44:31,181 I made a special request to be able to do that. 1832 01:44:32,599 --> 01:44:35,268 There was ice on the ground. 1833 01:44:35,352 --> 01:44:38,146 There was snow covering the coping sometimes. 1834 01:44:38,230 --> 01:44:40,816 I would go out there in snow gloves 1835 01:44:40,899 --> 01:44:43,694 and session for at least an hour by myself. 1836 01:44:47,906 --> 01:44:50,659 What I realized is that I've had 1837 01:44:50,742 --> 01:44:55,080 the most intense discipline in my life with skating. 1838 01:44:55,163 --> 01:44:59,418 If I can--if I can focus that discipline on my life... 1839 01:45:01,128 --> 01:45:03,714 I must have it in there. I must be able to do that. 1840 01:45:03,797 --> 01:45:06,383 - He said, "I know I can do this, 1841 01:45:06,466 --> 01:45:08,427 "because these are the qualities I have. 1842 01:45:08,510 --> 01:45:12,097 "I am determined, I'm disciplined, 1843 01:45:12,180 --> 01:45:14,891 and I know I can make all these changes in myself." 1844 01:45:14,975 --> 01:45:18,061 Because he has the example of doing it in skating. 1845 01:45:18,145 --> 01:45:20,188 - I knew that 1846 01:45:20,272 --> 01:45:24,234 I was going to do everything necessary 1847 01:45:24,317 --> 01:45:27,529 and stick with it and lean into it 1848 01:45:27,612 --> 01:45:30,532 and wrote this ugly list of things I wasn't proud of, 1849 01:45:30,615 --> 01:45:32,701 and... 1850 01:45:32,784 --> 01:45:34,161 that probably was the moment 1851 01:45:34,244 --> 01:45:38,707 where I was most in shock and just was like, 1852 01:45:38,790 --> 01:45:40,709 "This is the end of that." 1853 01:45:42,252 --> 01:45:45,756 I released this baggage, 1854 01:45:45,839 --> 01:45:49,760 and I felt like I finally have a foundation 1855 01:45:49,843 --> 01:45:54,431 to fill up with a positive way of living. 1856 01:45:54,514 --> 01:45:58,727 Me coming to terms with it was balling up this list 1857 01:45:58,810 --> 01:46:00,020 and throwing it in the fire. 1858 01:46:03,899 --> 01:46:06,234 - Do you need any help? - Yes. 1859 01:46:07,736 --> 01:46:09,071 Can you help me get youth? 1860 01:46:09,154 --> 01:46:10,739 - No. - Why not? 1861 01:46:10,822 --> 01:46:12,240 You have so much of it. 1862 01:46:12,324 --> 01:46:14,910 - He's probably at the point in his life 1863 01:46:14,993 --> 01:46:18,121 where he's probably happiest with himself 1864 01:46:18,205 --> 01:46:19,581 and happiest in his relationship. 1865 01:46:19,664 --> 01:46:21,625 And I think, ultimately, that has the biggest effect 1866 01:46:21,708 --> 01:46:23,460 on your relationship to your children. 1867 01:46:23,543 --> 01:46:27,005 And so I'm happy that he was able to get to that point. 1868 01:46:27,089 --> 01:46:30,008 And now he has Kady that he can, 1869 01:46:30,092 --> 01:46:32,135 you know, be that parent to. 1870 01:46:32,219 --> 01:46:35,013 And I think he's the best form of himself now. 1871 01:46:36,181 --> 01:46:37,349 - Can you stand up? 1872 01:46:39,059 --> 01:46:40,143 - Oh, my God. 1873 01:46:41,728 --> 01:46:43,563 - Oh, you did it! 1874 01:46:43,647 --> 01:46:44,940 That's the first time I've seen you do it. 1875 01:46:49,319 --> 01:46:51,279 - Rodney Mullen goes to his warehouse 1876 01:46:51,363 --> 01:46:52,864 and skates every night. 1877 01:46:52,948 --> 01:46:55,700 Lance is still waking up every day and skating. 1878 01:46:55,784 --> 01:46:58,120 Steve Caballero's still considering himself 1879 01:46:58,203 --> 01:46:59,496 a pro skater. 1880 01:46:59,579 --> 01:47:01,456 Mike McGill still skates, and obviously, 1881 01:47:01,540 --> 01:47:05,210 Tony is skating all the time at the highest level. 1882 01:47:05,293 --> 01:47:07,504 - There's a difference, though, in some of those guys. 1883 01:47:07,587 --> 01:47:08,922 Rodney Mullen... 1884 01:47:10,590 --> 01:47:12,342 Skateboarding for him, I think, 1885 01:47:12,425 --> 01:47:15,804 is really an art form that he just has to practice 1886 01:47:15,887 --> 01:47:18,723 like a Buddhist monk meditates. 1887 01:47:18,807 --> 01:47:20,225 Caballero has his artwork. 1888 01:47:20,308 --> 01:47:22,561 Mike McGill-- I think that Mike has a real 1889 01:47:22,644 --> 01:47:24,396 healthy relationship with his skateboarding. 1890 01:47:24,479 --> 01:47:26,898 I think he realizes his better days are behind him. 1891 01:47:26,982 --> 01:47:28,066 He's fine with that. 1892 01:47:28,150 --> 01:47:31,695 I think Lance still feels 1893 01:47:31,778 --> 01:47:33,947 he's got to prove himself in backyard pools. 1894 01:47:34,030 --> 01:47:37,492 So Lance and Tony-- 1895 01:47:37,576 --> 01:47:38,910 They're in a different place. 1896 01:47:40,203 --> 01:47:42,873 - We're gonna go over to Bob Burnquist's house, 1897 01:47:42,956 --> 01:47:44,708 compound, ramp. 1898 01:47:44,791 --> 01:47:46,710 I'd like to do a 360 over the gap. 1899 01:47:46,793 --> 01:47:48,253 And then if I make that, 1900 01:47:48,336 --> 01:47:49,754 I gotta do something on the quarter pipe. 1901 01:47:49,838 --> 01:47:51,965 But I'll cross that bridge when I get to it. 1902 01:47:53,466 --> 01:47:55,218 Here we are at Bob's. 1903 01:47:55,302 --> 01:47:56,720 - This looks a little crazy. - There it is. 1904 01:47:56,803 --> 01:47:57,762 - It's a little crazy-looking. 1905 01:48:25,749 --> 01:48:26,917 - Whoo! 1906 01:48:28,501 --> 01:48:30,253 - I've seen him get way more hurt 1907 01:48:30,337 --> 01:48:32,380 and try way more gnarly things now 1908 01:48:32,464 --> 01:48:34,966 than he ever did back when he was a kid. 1909 01:48:37,385 --> 01:48:38,720 - Yeah! 1910 01:48:38,803 --> 01:48:40,347 - Tony! 1911 01:48:55,695 --> 01:48:57,864 - I was there when he tried the loop for the first time. 1912 01:49:04,996 --> 01:49:07,290 And I actually, at one point, said, 1913 01:49:07,374 --> 01:49:10,168 "Can you just, like, make him stop, please? 1914 01:49:10,252 --> 01:49:12,337 Can we stop this?" But he didn't. 1915 01:49:28,395 --> 01:49:29,479 - Yeah! 1916 01:49:31,106 --> 01:49:33,650 - One of the reasons he's accomplished so much 1917 01:49:33,733 --> 01:49:36,486 is, he doesn't think about the bad things. 1918 01:49:36,569 --> 01:49:38,154 He doesn't let that get to him. 1919 01:49:42,117 --> 01:49:44,494 - Yeah! - Yeah! 1920 01:49:46,204 --> 01:49:48,915 - Tony is competing against Tony. 1921 01:49:48,999 --> 01:49:51,334 He's always been competing against Tony. 1922 01:49:51,418 --> 01:49:54,504 - Three, two, one, go! 1923 01:49:57,924 --> 01:50:01,386 - Tony does not tire of getting hurt, 1924 01:50:01,469 --> 01:50:03,680 he does not tire of repetition, 1925 01:50:03,763 --> 01:50:06,016 and he does not tire of just doing the same thing 1926 01:50:06,099 --> 01:50:08,018 and attempting it over and over. 1927 01:50:18,987 --> 01:50:20,822 - You know, one thing for sure about Tony 1928 01:50:20,905 --> 01:50:23,074 is that he can take a slam. 1929 01:50:23,158 --> 01:50:25,660 It's rare to find people who 1930 01:50:25,744 --> 01:50:28,872 like to get back up and try it again. 1931 01:50:36,504 --> 01:50:39,382 - The reason he's been hurt more than most people 1932 01:50:39,466 --> 01:50:41,092 is because he's attempting 1933 01:50:41,176 --> 01:50:43,887 so many more things that they would never attempt. 1934 01:50:48,475 --> 01:50:50,894 - Holy shit. 1935 01:50:50,977 --> 01:50:52,896 - He's going to take some hits. 1936 01:50:59,110 --> 01:51:01,237 - One time, I saw Tony fall at Del Mar, 1937 01:51:01,321 --> 01:51:05,200 and I guess his knee was locking up and getting stuck. 1938 01:51:05,283 --> 01:51:06,201 I'm looking at it, 1939 01:51:06,284 --> 01:51:07,243 and he's like, "Yeah, my knee's stuck." 1940 01:51:07,327 --> 01:51:09,079 And he's like, "Pull it! Pull it! Pull it!" 1941 01:51:09,162 --> 01:51:11,039 I think it was his dad or something like that 1942 01:51:11,122 --> 01:51:12,332 pulling on it. 1943 01:51:12,415 --> 01:51:15,085 And boom! And then he's like, "Oh, all right." 1944 01:51:15,168 --> 01:51:18,088 He gets back up and goes to skate again. 1945 01:51:18,171 --> 01:51:21,424 I'm like, "If my knee got stuck, I'd be like, 1946 01:51:21,508 --> 01:51:23,093 'I need to go to a doctor.'" 1947 01:51:23,176 --> 01:51:25,595 And he's like, "No, I'm good." 1948 01:51:25,678 --> 01:51:26,763 - Broke my elbow. 1949 01:51:26,846 --> 01:51:29,891 Knocked my teeth out at least five times. 1950 01:51:29,974 --> 01:51:32,769 Didn't dislocate my shoulder, but it went out and in. 1951 01:51:32,852 --> 01:51:36,064 Rolled my ankles so far that they should have broken, 1952 01:51:36,147 --> 01:51:39,234 and maybe I would have benefited more if they had, 1953 01:51:39,317 --> 01:51:41,111 'cause now they're just kind of loose. 1954 01:51:41,194 --> 01:51:43,905 I've had dozens of concussions 1955 01:51:43,988 --> 01:51:46,950 but only a few that were really bad, 1956 01:51:47,033 --> 01:51:49,244 where I woke up somewhere else. 1957 01:51:49,327 --> 01:51:51,579 - His body's pretty messed up. 1958 01:51:51,663 --> 01:51:53,623 You know, if you watch him turn and stuff like that, 1959 01:51:53,706 --> 01:51:55,500 he's got a lot of stiffness. 1960 01:51:55,583 --> 01:51:57,502 - I know what he has, which a lot of us get, 1961 01:51:57,585 --> 01:52:00,296 is, we get whiplash from taking slams. 1962 01:52:00,380 --> 01:52:02,173 And he has it really bad. 1963 01:52:02,257 --> 01:52:03,675 - I'm that guy that people ask, like, 1964 01:52:03,758 --> 01:52:04,968 "Something wrong with your neck?" 1965 01:52:05,051 --> 01:52:08,054 I'm like, "Yes. 40 years of whiplash." 1966 01:52:10,807 --> 01:52:12,684 - Whoa! - Shit! 1967 01:52:14,102 --> 01:52:16,062 That's not good. 1968 01:52:16,146 --> 01:52:17,564 - Medic! - Hey, medic! Quick! 1969 01:52:17,647 --> 01:52:19,941 - Medic! Medic! 1970 01:52:20,024 --> 01:52:21,985 - Can you hear me, Tony? 1971 01:52:22,068 --> 01:52:23,903 Can you hear me? 1972 01:52:25,029 --> 01:52:26,156 You all right? 1973 01:52:26,239 --> 01:52:27,866 - It hurts, man. - I know, man. 1974 01:52:28,950 --> 01:52:30,326 You okay? - Yeah. 1975 01:52:30,410 --> 01:52:31,995 - All right. I don't want-- - Cut the pads off. 1976 01:52:32,078 --> 01:52:33,455 - Minimal movement, okay? - What is this? 1977 01:52:33,538 --> 01:52:35,874 - Minimal movement. - Okay. 1978 01:52:35,957 --> 01:52:38,084 - Hold that on your head right there. 1979 01:52:38,168 --> 01:52:40,670 - Fractured my skull, broke my thumb, 1980 01:52:40,753 --> 01:52:42,380 broke my pelvis. 1981 01:52:42,464 --> 01:52:44,841 I sat in bed for about six weeks. 1982 01:52:44,924 --> 01:52:46,843 And I thought, "Maybe this is it." 1983 01:52:46,926 --> 01:52:49,429 Everyone kept asking me, "How long can you skate?" 1984 01:52:49,512 --> 01:52:51,848 Maybe this is the answer. This is how long I can skate. 1985 01:52:51,931 --> 01:52:54,142 I can skate till I'm 35, when I break my pelvis. 1986 01:52:54,225 --> 01:52:57,103 - When I got knocked out in Australia about five years ago 1987 01:52:57,187 --> 01:52:59,105 or something, I was asking everybody, like, 1988 01:52:59,189 --> 01:53:01,149 "How long does this fuzziness last, you know?" 1989 01:53:01,232 --> 01:53:03,318 I'm like, "Tony, you've been knocked out a bunch of times. 1990 01:53:03,401 --> 01:53:04,486 How long does it"-- 1991 01:53:04,569 --> 01:53:05,653 He's like, "I don't know, Mike." 1992 01:53:05,737 --> 01:53:07,655 I'm like, "How many times you been knocked out?" 1993 01:53:07,739 --> 01:53:09,115 You know, he couldn't even recall 1994 01:53:09,199 --> 01:53:10,408 how many times he's been knocked out. 1995 01:53:11,784 --> 01:53:14,746 - Can you imagine watching your dad 1996 01:53:14,829 --> 01:53:17,790 tumble down a ramp at 56? 1997 01:53:17,874 --> 01:53:19,209 No. 1998 01:53:19,292 --> 01:53:20,919 - Like, we're grandparents. 1999 01:53:21,002 --> 01:53:24,547 We're grandparents falling out of the sky. 2000 01:53:24,631 --> 01:53:26,049 - Why still push yourself 2001 01:53:26,132 --> 01:53:28,510 when there's no reward of board sales 2002 01:53:28,593 --> 01:53:32,222 or contest winnings or anything like that? 2003 01:53:32,305 --> 01:53:33,431 - That is the question. 2004 01:53:33,515 --> 01:53:35,058 That is the question, why we do that. 2005 01:53:35,141 --> 01:53:37,936 I don't know. It's just in us. 2006 01:53:38,019 --> 01:53:39,395 - Why do you think Tony does it? 2007 01:53:39,479 --> 01:53:41,189 Why do you think he pushes himself so hard? 2008 01:53:42,607 --> 01:53:44,859 - I think it's to impress all of us, you know? 2009 01:53:44,943 --> 01:53:47,904 I think it's--I honestly do, 2010 01:53:47,987 --> 01:53:49,989 because, you know, most of the world 2011 01:53:50,073 --> 01:53:53,701 that's gonna see this film doesn't know a Madonna 2012 01:53:53,785 --> 01:53:56,204 from a McTwist from a Caballerial. 2013 01:53:56,287 --> 01:53:57,914 But his peers do. 2014 01:53:57,997 --> 01:53:59,874 And we are blown away 2015 01:53:59,958 --> 01:54:02,168 every time we see something like this. 2016 01:54:02,252 --> 01:54:05,922 And it inspires us to go on and do something different, 2017 01:54:06,005 --> 01:54:08,675 because that's what skateboarding is all about. 2018 01:54:14,347 --> 01:54:18,142 - We had the 30-year reunion of the "Animal Chin" video. 2019 01:54:18,226 --> 01:54:21,980 To commemorate that, Tony had a replica 2020 01:54:22,063 --> 01:54:25,108 of the infamous Chin ramp built. 2021 01:54:25,191 --> 01:54:27,902 Caballero, McGill, Lance, Tony, myself, 2022 01:54:27,986 --> 01:54:29,529 Tommy Guerrero, Rodney Mullen, 2023 01:54:29,612 --> 01:54:31,155 and a whole bunch of other people 2024 01:54:31,239 --> 01:54:32,782 were there to celebrate. 2025 01:54:32,865 --> 01:54:35,451 So we got to watch them skate it again. 2026 01:54:35,535 --> 01:54:38,413 And they reproduced all the famous tricks 2027 01:54:38,496 --> 01:54:40,039 that they did at the time. 2028 01:54:44,586 --> 01:54:47,130 - 30 years later, these guys are doing their famous, 2029 01:54:47,213 --> 01:54:48,798 you know, four-invert shot. 2030 01:54:48,881 --> 01:54:50,174 - Can we just try? - Eee! 2031 01:54:51,718 --> 01:54:52,844 - This is it! 2032 01:54:52,927 --> 01:54:56,681 - One. Two. Three. 2033 01:55:05,523 --> 01:55:07,150 - Yoo-hoo! 2034 01:55:07,233 --> 01:55:11,446 - Lock it up. - Oh-ho-ho-ho-ho-ho! 2035 01:55:11,529 --> 01:55:14,532 - That's amazing. That's totally amazing. 2036 01:55:22,915 --> 01:55:25,168 - Yeah, Steve! Nice! 2037 01:55:25,251 --> 01:55:28,338 - Whenever Caballero or McGill did something 2038 01:55:28,421 --> 01:55:29,964 that was a little bit too edgy, 2039 01:55:30,048 --> 01:55:31,716 you could see them stop midair and, 2040 01:55:31,799 --> 01:55:33,843 "That's it. Stop." 2041 01:55:33,926 --> 01:55:35,720 Every time they'd do something 2042 01:55:35,803 --> 01:55:38,848 and it was a touch off of what they were out, 2043 01:55:38,931 --> 01:55:41,351 they'd throw the board and slide--knee slide. 2044 01:55:41,434 --> 01:55:42,685 You could tell there was no messing around. 2045 01:55:42,769 --> 01:55:43,978 These guys aren't getting hurt. 2046 01:55:45,730 --> 01:55:47,148 - As the temperature started increasing 2047 01:55:47,231 --> 01:55:48,441 and these guys started pushing each other, 2048 01:55:48,524 --> 01:55:52,695 Tony, like always, he started going harder and harder. 2049 01:56:00,036 --> 01:56:01,496 - Yeah! - Oh! 2050 01:56:01,579 --> 01:56:02,705 - Oh! 2051 01:56:09,337 --> 01:56:10,755 - Just chill out. Just chill. 2052 01:56:10,838 --> 01:56:13,174 Just chill. Just chill. Just chill out. 2053 01:56:13,257 --> 01:56:14,842 - Tony, just chill. Tony, just chill. 2054 01:56:14,926 --> 01:56:16,844 Just chill. Lay there. Stay there. 2055 01:56:16,928 --> 01:56:19,681 - Just kick back. Kick back. Kick back. 2056 01:56:19,764 --> 01:56:22,934 Here. - Hey. 2057 01:56:23,017 --> 01:56:24,519 - There you go. 2058 01:56:35,613 --> 01:56:37,073 - What is your name? 2059 01:56:40,827 --> 01:56:43,538 Wait, wait, wait. What's your name? 2060 01:56:43,621 --> 01:56:44,956 - Tony Hawk. 2061 01:56:49,001 --> 01:56:51,087 - All of us just gasped. It's like, "Oh, my God." 2062 01:56:51,170 --> 01:56:54,090 He's down there, laying there, dead still. 2063 01:57:17,822 --> 01:57:20,241 He got himself up off the ramp after about five minutes, 2064 01:57:20,324 --> 01:57:22,285 and then he went and sat down at the bottom of the ramp, 2065 01:57:22,368 --> 01:57:24,370 and he just sat there. 2066 01:57:24,454 --> 01:57:26,581 - There's some water right here. 2067 01:57:26,664 --> 01:57:31,252 - His hair was, like, Einstein-y, pitch-white skin, 2068 01:57:31,335 --> 01:57:33,004 and he looked 70 years old. 2069 01:57:33,087 --> 01:57:35,173 It was shocking. It was really scary. 2070 01:57:35,256 --> 01:57:38,760 And I sat there going, "Man, you can't do this at this age. 2071 01:57:38,843 --> 01:57:43,306 You can't put yourself in that kind of danger at this age," 2072 01:57:43,389 --> 01:57:45,349 especially with the career he's had. 2073 01:57:45,433 --> 01:57:47,810 And it really, really troubled me. 2074 01:57:47,894 --> 01:57:49,645 And I went and had a really long conversation 2075 01:57:49,729 --> 01:57:50,938 with Sean Mortimer afterwards, 2076 01:57:51,022 --> 01:57:52,940 saying, "Look, somebody's gotta talk to Tony. 2077 01:57:53,024 --> 01:57:54,358 He can't let this happen." 2078 01:57:54,442 --> 01:57:55,735 I talked to Steve Hawk. 2079 01:57:55,818 --> 01:57:57,320 I called Steve Hawk on the phone. 2080 01:57:57,403 --> 01:57:59,655 And I'm going, "Steve, Tony's gotta be told 2081 01:57:59,739 --> 01:58:01,449 he can't do this." 2082 01:58:01,532 --> 01:58:02,784 But I couldn't get any takers. 2083 01:58:02,867 --> 01:58:04,619 I couldn't get anybody to, like-- 2084 01:58:04,702 --> 01:58:06,078 guys, you've got to-- 2085 01:58:06,162 --> 01:58:07,622 there's got to be an intervention here. 2086 01:58:07,705 --> 01:58:09,874 I mean, come on! 2087 01:58:09,957 --> 01:58:12,335 That's not a bad concussion. 2088 01:58:12,418 --> 01:58:15,421 That's a disaster, you know? 2089 01:58:23,596 --> 01:58:26,015 - I don't know what I think about it. 2090 01:58:26,098 --> 01:58:28,559 I think it's no one's place to say that to him. 2091 01:58:30,603 --> 01:58:32,605 - Okay. So what do you mean? 2092 01:58:34,232 --> 01:58:35,441 - I don't know. 2093 01:58:37,819 --> 01:58:38,986 He doesn't unders-- 2094 01:58:40,279 --> 01:58:42,156 He doesn't even understand 2095 01:58:42,240 --> 01:58:44,283 that we're gonna probably die skateboarding 2096 01:58:44,367 --> 01:58:45,493 and kill ourselves. 2097 01:58:45,576 --> 01:58:48,204 It's something you can't change. 2098 01:58:50,748 --> 01:58:51,874 I can't sleep. 2099 01:58:53,167 --> 01:58:56,212 I can't sleep on my shoulders. It's terrible. 2100 01:58:56,295 --> 01:58:57,505 It's horrible. 2101 01:58:57,588 --> 01:59:00,675 You're actually destroying yourself on what you love. 2102 01:59:00,758 --> 01:59:04,554 But it's not--it's too late, first of all, 2103 01:59:04,637 --> 01:59:06,514 to be concerned about, like, 2104 01:59:06,597 --> 01:59:07,974 "Oh, it's time for us to slow down." 2105 01:59:08,057 --> 01:59:09,350 Like, I don't know. I don't know to-- 2106 01:59:09,433 --> 01:59:11,727 I don't know how to react to that. 2107 01:59:11,811 --> 01:59:13,896 He's right, but I don't know how to react to it. 2108 01:59:17,441 --> 01:59:19,527 - I worry a lot that he's-- 2109 01:59:19,610 --> 01:59:21,445 that he will really hurt himself. 2110 01:59:21,529 --> 01:59:22,572 Some of the stuff he's done, 2111 01:59:22,655 --> 01:59:25,032 if something went wrong, he could have died for sure. 2112 01:59:25,116 --> 01:59:27,368 And that scares the fuck out of me. 2113 01:59:27,451 --> 01:59:31,205 - The abuse their bodies are taking is pretty absurd. 2114 01:59:31,289 --> 01:59:32,832 Like, Tony is just-- 2115 01:59:32,915 --> 01:59:35,918 Tony and Lance might be the most battered dudes, 2116 01:59:36,002 --> 01:59:37,086 like, of all of them. 2117 01:59:37,169 --> 01:59:39,046 Tony especially, man, he's-- 2118 01:59:39,130 --> 01:59:40,256 you've seen his fingers. 2119 01:59:40,339 --> 01:59:41,924 They're all fucking out of socket. 2120 01:59:42,008 --> 01:59:43,759 And just-- his shins are all fucked up. 2121 01:59:43,843 --> 01:59:46,137 He tried the full pipe, 2122 01:59:46,220 --> 01:59:50,057 and--but he gets so fucking slammed. 2123 01:59:50,141 --> 01:59:51,434 But he continues. 2124 01:59:53,436 --> 01:59:54,645 - Yeah, it's foolish. 2125 01:59:54,729 --> 01:59:57,398 It's foolish what we've done to ourselves. 2126 01:59:57,481 --> 02:00:00,735 Tony--a lot of us. It's foolish. 2127 02:00:00,818 --> 02:00:02,695 We're gonna live in absolute pain. 2128 02:00:04,822 --> 02:00:07,658 I've had so many concussions. I know I have. 2129 02:00:09,452 --> 02:00:11,078 You know. 2130 02:00:11,162 --> 02:00:12,788 I know I have what those football players have, 2131 02:00:12,872 --> 02:00:14,916 and I'm probably gonna have a brain tumor like my dad. 2132 02:00:14,999 --> 02:00:16,167 I'm sure of it. 2133 02:00:16,250 --> 02:00:17,418 And it's because... 2134 02:00:19,879 --> 02:00:24,300 We were stupid skateboarding and we got injured. 2135 02:00:24,383 --> 02:00:26,594 It is what it is. 2136 02:00:26,677 --> 02:00:30,473 He is going to probably get another gnarly concussion. 2137 02:00:30,556 --> 02:00:32,350 He's probably gonna break another bone. 2138 02:00:32,433 --> 02:00:33,809 He's probably gonna get to the point 2139 02:00:33,893 --> 02:00:37,188 where his body will not let him do it. 2140 02:00:37,271 --> 02:00:39,106 And that's the way we're gonna go. 2141 02:00:39,190 --> 02:00:41,025 Stupid? Yes. 2142 02:00:41,108 --> 02:00:45,196 - Maybe it's, like, not smart. I don't know. 2143 02:00:45,279 --> 02:00:49,158 But we forget about, you know, the pain and the suffering 2144 02:00:49,241 --> 02:00:52,119 that we go through to get to that next level. 2145 02:00:52,203 --> 02:00:53,913 And I think it's those people that are afraid 2146 02:00:53,996 --> 02:00:56,666 to go through that, 2147 02:00:56,749 --> 02:00:58,459 you know, that pain and suffering, 2148 02:00:58,542 --> 02:01:01,337 that never amount to anything 2149 02:01:01,420 --> 02:01:05,508 than just a normal, safe life, you know? 2150 02:01:05,591 --> 02:01:10,513 We don't live in those parameters, you know. 2151 02:01:10,596 --> 02:01:14,016 - There's consequences to everything we do. 2152 02:01:14,100 --> 02:01:17,979 But when you tap--tiptoe around the consequences... 2153 02:01:20,398 --> 02:01:21,816 Tony was having consequen-- 2154 02:01:21,899 --> 02:01:23,526 he would never have reached what he did 2155 02:01:23,609 --> 02:01:26,654 if he listened to those consequences things back then. 2156 02:01:29,615 --> 02:01:32,535 "You're too small. You can't get to the top. 2157 02:01:32,618 --> 02:01:34,286 "You do it weird. We don't like you. 2158 02:01:34,370 --> 02:01:36,580 Here's a beer can in the"-- what? 2159 02:01:36,664 --> 02:01:37,832 We all would have stopped 2160 02:01:37,915 --> 02:01:40,042 if we'd listened to anybody telling us, like, 2161 02:01:40,126 --> 02:01:42,336 "You know, there's gonna be a cost to this." 2162 02:01:46,465 --> 02:01:49,135 And some are gonna pay more. 2163 02:01:49,218 --> 02:01:53,389 - This is the luxury of having spent my life 2164 02:01:53,472 --> 02:01:55,516 doing what I love. 2165 02:01:55,599 --> 02:01:57,351 The cost of that... 2166 02:02:00,146 --> 02:02:01,689 It sucks. 2167 02:02:04,275 --> 02:02:06,027 I'm not blind. 2168 02:02:07,445 --> 02:02:10,823 I'm not numb to the pain. 2169 02:02:10,906 --> 02:02:12,533 I would argue I'm more conscious of it 2170 02:02:12,616 --> 02:02:14,368 than anybody else. 2171 02:02:14,452 --> 02:02:17,830 But I'm also more conscious of what that gives me. 2172 02:02:20,958 --> 02:02:24,253 And when I'm done with this... 2173 02:02:25,880 --> 02:02:30,259 That will be what it is, and I'll find a way. 2174 02:02:30,342 --> 02:02:33,763 But there's something inside of me propelling 2175 02:02:33,846 --> 02:02:38,559 that I'm not going to give up until the wheels fall off. 2176 02:02:38,642 --> 02:02:41,604 That's what I'm made of. 2177 02:02:41,687 --> 02:02:45,399 And I wish--I see all the arguments against it. 2178 02:02:45,483 --> 02:02:49,320 But I wish I could relate the intangibles to you. 2179 02:02:51,405 --> 02:02:55,242 My guess is that we're all built the same. 2180 02:02:55,326 --> 02:02:58,329 None of us are completely stupid. 2181 02:02:58,412 --> 02:03:00,790 A little deranged, I think a strong argument. 2182 02:03:00,873 --> 02:03:03,084 I do. 2183 02:03:03,167 --> 02:03:05,836 But ultimately, 2184 02:03:05,920 --> 02:03:09,090 we also know what we have. 2185 02:03:09,173 --> 02:03:11,842 And to go and lay down in that sense of it... 2186 02:03:15,346 --> 02:03:19,350 That's like embracing what we've done with our lives. 2187 02:03:19,433 --> 02:03:20,851 You know? 2188 02:04:03,269 --> 02:04:06,480 - I found this thing that I've loved 2189 02:04:06,564 --> 02:04:08,816 more than anything else that I've tried 2190 02:04:08,899 --> 02:04:10,359 or done in my life. 2191 02:04:12,945 --> 02:04:16,448 I found my purpose and my salvation. 2192 02:04:18,075 --> 02:04:22,997 And in some ways, I found my emotional highs. 2193 02:04:25,916 --> 02:04:29,336 I'm still trying to push my limits. 2194 02:04:32,131 --> 02:04:35,968 I don't know how long this will last. 2195 02:04:36,051 --> 02:04:38,762 But I'm not gonna quit.