1 00:00:02,000 --> 00:00:07,000 Downloaded from YTS.MX 2 00:00:07,507 --> 00:00:09,551 -You say you don't read        the newspaper articles, 3 00:00:08,000 --> 00:00:13,000 Official YIFY movies site: YTS.MX 4 00:00:09,551 --> 00:00:12,095 magazine articles      that are written about you. 5 00:00:12,095 --> 00:00:13,513 You don't read your own press. 6 00:00:13,513 --> 00:00:15,473 I want to read you something    that "Rolling Stone" wrote... 7 00:00:15,473 --> 00:00:18,184 -Watermelon, watermelon,    peanut butter, peanut butter. 8 00:00:19,978 --> 00:00:21,229 Okay, fire away. 9 00:00:32,323 --> 00:00:33,533 -"You can cast           a pretty wide net 10 00:00:33,533 --> 00:00:35,493 among Sheryl Crow's             acquaintances 11 00:00:35,493 --> 00:00:37,579 without finding anyone     ready to describe her beyond 12 00:00:37,579 --> 00:00:41,541 that familiar backhanded        compliment of driven." 13 00:00:41,541 --> 00:00:45,170 -Ew. Way to kick it up            a notch, Steve. 14 00:00:45,170 --> 00:00:46,463 -You are driven, though. 15 00:00:46,463 --> 00:00:48,089 -I think the negative      connotations that have been 16 00:00:48,089 --> 00:00:49,841 associated with driven           and perfectionist 17 00:00:49,841 --> 00:00:51,760 usually get put into        that category of bitch. 18 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:53,386 I think that's just         by nature of the fact 19 00:00:53,386 --> 00:00:55,388 that you have a woman who's       at the head of a company 20 00:00:55,388 --> 00:00:58,099 telling a bunch of             men and women 21 00:00:58,099 --> 00:00:59,350 how things have to be done. 22 00:00:59,350 --> 00:01:03,021 I've been long 23 00:01:03,021 --> 00:01:06,441 A long way from here 24 00:01:09,235 --> 00:01:14,616 I put on a poncho,        played for mosquitoes 25 00:01:14,616 --> 00:01:18,078 And drank till         I was thirsty again 26 00:01:20,038 --> 00:01:23,291 -You have seemed       to chart your own course. 27 00:01:23,291 --> 00:01:24,584 -Multi-Grammy-winning artist 28 00:01:24,584 --> 00:01:28,922 who has sold over 50 million           albums worldwide. 29 00:01:28,922 --> 00:01:34,135 - Found Geronimo's rifle,          Marilyn's shampoo 30 00:01:34,135 --> 00:01:37,889 And Benny Goodman's           corset and pen 31 00:01:37,889 --> 00:01:39,349 My definition of driven, 32 00:01:39,349 --> 00:01:41,309 it's been the pressure          I've put on myself. 33 00:01:41,309 --> 00:01:45,438 You don't get there by just,  you know, having a great time. 34 00:01:45,438 --> 00:01:47,482 You get there by, like,             digging deep. 35 00:01:47,482 --> 00:01:51,778 If it makes you happy 36 00:01:52,529 --> 00:01:57,325 It can't be that ba-a-a-ad 37 00:01:57,325 --> 00:02:01,204 If it makes you happy 38 00:02:01,538 --> 00:02:05,708 Then why the hell           are you so sad? 39 00:02:06,709 --> 00:02:12,215 If it makes you happy,                yeah 40 00:02:12,215 --> 00:02:16,678 It can't be that ba-a-a-ad 41 00:02:16,678 --> 00:02:20,890 If it makes you happy 42 00:02:21,224 --> 00:02:25,687 Then why the hell           are you so sad? 43 00:02:26,229 --> 00:02:27,939 Whoo! 44 00:03:00,346 --> 00:03:02,557 I think from an early age,             I knew music 45 00:03:02,557 --> 00:03:05,894 was this joyful thing,       this nerve-racking thing, 46 00:03:05,894 --> 00:03:10,440 and then ultimately         this rewarding thing. 47 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:13,526 I've always had real high       highs and real low lows, 48 00:03:13,526 --> 00:03:19,616 and that is a part of...               who I am. 49 00:03:20,366 --> 00:03:22,285 And I shall believe 50 00:03:22,285 --> 00:03:24,579 Can we sing three-part               on that? 51 00:03:25,705 --> 00:03:27,957 And I shall believe 52 00:03:27,957 --> 00:03:31,711 Are you singing it --         what are you singing? 53 00:03:31,711 --> 00:03:33,421 - I shall believe 54 00:03:33,421 --> 00:03:35,632 -What are you singing? 55 00:03:37,383 --> 00:03:40,011 - I shall believe 56 00:03:40,470 --> 00:03:44,891 -Sheryl is the voice            of a generation 57 00:03:44,891 --> 00:03:50,563 in the area of acknowledging         flaw and heartbreak. 58 00:03:50,563 --> 00:03:53,399 - Ah, ah, ah, ah 59 00:03:53,399 --> 00:03:54,692 -We fell in love           with her writing 60 00:03:54,692 --> 00:03:57,320 because that was us,              all of us. 61 00:03:57,320 --> 00:03:59,697 - Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh 62 00:03:59,697 --> 00:04:01,366 Ah-ah-ah-ah 63 00:04:01,366 --> 00:04:02,825 Music gave me a sense of self. 64 00:04:02,825 --> 00:04:06,537 It gave me permission      to talk about my feelings. 65 00:04:06,537 --> 00:04:09,916 It's something       that also can be a curse 66 00:04:09,916 --> 00:04:12,710 when it comes to          needing to produce, 67 00:04:12,710 --> 00:04:14,504 needing for it         not to just be good, 68 00:04:14,504 --> 00:04:16,047 for it to be great. 69 00:04:19,425 --> 00:04:23,263 -Sheryl has fierce work ethic. 70 00:04:23,263 --> 00:04:25,390 It says a lot about her drive 71 00:04:25,390 --> 00:04:26,599 with which she attacks 72 00:04:26,599 --> 00:04:29,686 something that       she's into artistically. 73 00:04:30,728 --> 00:04:33,898 -It's complicated to be    a woman in the music industry 74 00:04:33,898 --> 00:04:36,067 because you have to work            twice as hard. 75 00:04:36,067 --> 00:04:38,820 You have to be twice as loud       to make your voice heard. 76 00:04:38,820 --> 00:04:42,282 - Never gonna give up, no 77 00:04:42,282 --> 00:04:43,992 -Everything was gonna cost                Sheryl. 78 00:04:43,992 --> 00:04:47,245 What are you gonna sacrifice              as a woman 79 00:04:47,245 --> 00:04:49,455 to be allowed this? 80 00:04:53,668 --> 00:04:56,629 -It's always hard to look back     and talk about who you were, 81 00:04:56,629 --> 00:05:00,300 'cause it's only        who you think you were. 82 00:05:02,760 --> 00:05:04,512 -Settle a bet for me now. 83 00:05:04,512 --> 00:05:07,432 Did you ever do       a McDonald's commercial? 84 00:05:07,432 --> 00:05:09,809 -Oh, yeah, yeah.          It's a good time... 85 00:05:09,809 --> 00:05:12,729 For the great taste            of McDonald's 86 00:05:12,729 --> 00:05:15,231 -That was you.           Oh, that was you. 87 00:05:16,858 --> 00:05:20,361 -My hometown is in      the boot heel of Missouri. 88 00:05:21,738 --> 00:05:25,408 I was a music geek        at a really young age. 89 00:05:26,868 --> 00:05:28,703 I wanted to know who played            on everything, 90 00:05:28,703 --> 00:05:32,040 and I wanted to know       what all the words were. 91 00:05:33,624 --> 00:05:35,501 I can remember going into            the living room 92 00:05:35,501 --> 00:05:39,255 and turning the lights off        and playing the piano. 93 00:05:41,090 --> 00:05:45,053 And that was where I felt like          I had found myself. 94 00:05:46,512 --> 00:05:47,805 I went to      the University of Missouri 95 00:05:47,805 --> 00:05:49,015 just like my older sister did. 96 00:05:49,015 --> 00:05:52,352 I majored in music --           piano performance 97 00:05:52,352 --> 00:05:54,937 with a secondary in education. 98 00:05:54,937 --> 00:05:58,733 When I got out of school,       I got into a cover band. 99 00:05:58,733 --> 00:06:00,693 I interviewed       for several teaching jobs 100 00:06:00,693 --> 00:06:02,820 and wound up     in Rockwood School District, 101 00:06:02,820 --> 00:06:05,198 which is public school system. 102 00:06:05,198 --> 00:06:06,115 I was engaged. 103 00:06:06,115 --> 00:06:08,951 I was engaged to    the guitar player in the band 104 00:06:08,951 --> 00:06:11,371 who is a born-again Christian,           and so he's like, 105 00:06:11,371 --> 00:06:13,122 "If you're not gonna          sing for the Lord, 106 00:06:13,122 --> 00:06:14,624 we can't be together." 107 00:06:14,624 --> 00:06:15,833 It did not feel like 108 00:06:15,833 --> 00:06:18,586 I was breaking       any of the Commandments, 109 00:06:18,586 --> 00:06:20,838 and I was just like,       "I like singing in bands. 110 00:06:20,838 --> 00:06:24,092 I like playing keyboards.           I like pop music. 111 00:06:24,092 --> 00:06:26,969 I like getting better          at my instrument." 112 00:06:26,969 --> 00:06:28,679 Anyway, that was       the beginning of the end 113 00:06:28,679 --> 00:06:29,764 of that relationship, 114 00:06:29,764 --> 00:06:32,141 the first of three             engagements. 115 00:06:32,725 --> 00:06:34,519 There are certain things           that you look at 116 00:06:34,519 --> 00:06:36,521 in the story of your life. 117 00:06:36,521 --> 00:06:37,939 Like, not everything             in your life 118 00:06:37,939 --> 00:06:39,399 is gonna be mapped out               for you. 119 00:06:39,399 --> 00:06:40,900 They are gonna be things              that happen 120 00:06:40,900 --> 00:06:43,194 that you wouldn't have been         able to dream about. 121 00:06:43,194 --> 00:06:49,575 It's a good time for the      great taste of McDonald's 122 00:06:49,575 --> 00:06:52,829 I wound up making      in that 45 minutes of work 123 00:06:52,829 --> 00:06:55,456 well over what I'd made       in two years of teaching. 124 00:06:55,456 --> 00:06:57,250 And when I got that       commercial, I felt like, 125 00:06:57,250 --> 00:06:58,584 you know, if I'm ever gonna go 126 00:06:58,584 --> 00:07:02,672 and try to make a living             as an artist, 127 00:07:02,672 --> 00:07:05,633 I need to do it now         while I'm not married 128 00:07:05,633 --> 00:07:08,761 and have my life            in front of me. 129 00:07:08,761 --> 00:07:11,180 I went home on a Tuesday         and told my parents, 130 00:07:11,180 --> 00:07:12,390 "I'm moving to L.A." 131 00:07:12,390 --> 00:07:14,517 And they said, "When?" 132 00:07:14,517 --> 00:07:16,185 I said, "I'm leaving              on Sunday." 133 00:07:16,185 --> 00:07:17,728 So... 134 00:07:21,732 --> 00:07:24,360 I mean, it's kind of psycho. 135 00:07:25,319 --> 00:07:29,699 I think pulling into L.A. when  the only city you've ever seen 136 00:07:29,699 --> 00:07:33,536 is St. Louis       is kind of inexplicable. 137 00:07:38,875 --> 00:07:43,921 So I got a book of studios,       working studios in L.A., 138 00:07:43,921 --> 00:07:45,548 and then I got a Thomas Guide 139 00:07:45,548 --> 00:07:47,425 and I wrote out           all the addresses 140 00:07:47,425 --> 00:07:48,801 and just drove around all day 141 00:07:48,801 --> 00:07:50,678 and took my cassette tape              in the door 142 00:07:50,678 --> 00:07:52,013 and I'd say,          "I am Sheryl Crow. 143 00:07:52,013 --> 00:07:54,474 I'm brand-new in town.        I have this demo tape. 144 00:07:54,474 --> 00:07:55,892 Can you please make sure that 145 00:07:55,892 --> 00:07:57,685 somebody hears it             or whatever?" 146 00:07:57,685 --> 00:08:00,104 I mean, totally naive. 147 00:08:00,104 --> 00:08:03,483 I took my music around,  and people didn't want to know 148 00:08:03,483 --> 00:08:05,026 about a female. 149 00:08:05,026 --> 00:08:08,029 And this is -- this is       pre-Tracy Chapman, right? 150 00:08:08,029 --> 00:08:10,698 And I came out one day and      there was a boot on my car, 151 00:08:10,698 --> 00:08:12,450 and I couldn't afford         to get the boot off, 152 00:08:12,450 --> 00:08:13,659 so I lost my car. 153 00:08:13,659 --> 00:08:17,622 And I was just like,      "Oh, my God. Why am I here? 154 00:08:17,622 --> 00:08:21,083 What have I done?       How do I get back home?" 155 00:08:22,585 --> 00:08:24,337 I got a waitress job             in the Valley 156 00:08:24,337 --> 00:08:25,755 at a place called Le Cafe, 157 00:08:25,755 --> 00:08:28,090 and lots of musicians          came through there. 158 00:08:28,090 --> 00:08:32,970 One night I was working and    this man, Les Hooper, was in, 159 00:08:32,970 --> 00:08:37,725 and I was told that he was        a commercial producer. 160 00:08:37,725 --> 00:08:38,893 Snuck him a tape. 161 00:08:38,893 --> 00:08:41,896 I knew there was a chance            I'd get fired. 162 00:08:43,439 --> 00:08:45,024 The next morning,             I was let go. 163 00:08:45,024 --> 00:08:47,527 But he listened to my tape. 164 00:08:47,527 --> 00:08:48,903 He called and said,           "I don't usually 165 00:08:48,903 --> 00:08:50,154 listen to people's tapes 166 00:08:50,154 --> 00:08:52,323 if they give them to me  in a restaurant or something." 167 00:08:52,323 --> 00:08:55,201 He's like, "It's really good.          Would you come in? 168 00:08:55,201 --> 00:08:57,620 And I've got a spot      I'm gonna have you try on." 169 00:08:57,620 --> 00:08:59,997 So then I started getting,          like, little pieces 170 00:08:59,997 --> 00:09:01,290 of work here and there. 171 00:09:01,290 --> 00:09:03,668 I remember calling my parents              and saying, 172 00:09:03,668 --> 00:09:06,963 "I'm doing a Johnny Mathis       recording session today." 173 00:09:06,963 --> 00:09:08,297 And they're like,            "That's great! 174 00:09:08,297 --> 00:09:10,675 You can come home now. 175 00:09:10,675 --> 00:09:12,593 You've made it." 176 00:09:13,803 --> 00:09:18,140 I think I was on the last        episode of "Cop Rock." 177 00:09:18,140 --> 00:09:21,310 It was a detective show          that was a musical, 178 00:09:21,310 --> 00:09:22,979 if you can imagine. 179 00:09:22,979 --> 00:09:27,483 He's just a squirrel      waiting for a pretty girl 180 00:09:27,483 --> 00:09:30,069 He'd like to have his way 181 00:09:30,069 --> 00:09:32,905 There was, like,      a dance routine and a song. 182 00:09:32,905 --> 00:09:34,991 In fact, I think it might have        already been canceled, 183 00:09:34,991 --> 00:09:36,576 and this was the last one. 184 00:09:36,576 --> 00:09:40,079 - Come and get it, hey 185 00:09:40,079 --> 00:09:42,957 I got something for you 186 00:09:43,791 --> 00:09:47,128 Come on, come and get it 187 00:09:50,548 --> 00:09:52,425 -I had a four-track recorder. 188 00:09:52,425 --> 00:09:54,093 I would come home from work, 189 00:09:54,093 --> 00:09:56,012 and I would sit          at that four-track, 190 00:09:56,012 --> 00:09:58,014 and I would sing with              Chaka Khan 191 00:09:58,014 --> 00:10:00,057 and then I would sing           with Ann Wilson. 192 00:10:00,057 --> 00:10:02,393 I was just always trying            to get my voice 193 00:10:02,393 --> 00:10:04,270 to where I could sort of mimic 194 00:10:04,270 --> 00:10:07,273 and also where I could          kind of control it. 195 00:10:07,273 --> 00:10:09,734 I would practice,       and I would try to write 196 00:10:09,734 --> 00:10:12,236 on my keyboard,         I had a drum program. 197 00:10:12,236 --> 00:10:13,779 I didn't have         any air conditioning, 198 00:10:13,779 --> 00:10:15,489 and people all night,      like 00 in the morning -- 199 00:10:15,489 --> 00:10:17,742 "Can you shut the fuck up?" 200 00:10:17,742 --> 00:10:19,535 But I just was driven,               you know, 201 00:10:19,535 --> 00:10:21,662 and then I would sleep till     noon and I would go to work. 202 00:10:21,662 --> 00:10:23,998 And then it just was a cycle 203 00:10:23,998 --> 00:10:26,542 until       the Michael Jackson tour. 204 00:10:27,376 --> 00:10:30,546 I found out about    the Michael Jackson audition, 205 00:10:30,546 --> 00:10:33,382 snuck in, and auditioned. 206 00:10:33,382 --> 00:10:35,635 I basically just looked       into the camera and said, 207 00:10:35,635 --> 00:10:37,970 "Hi, Michael, my name is             Sheryl Crow. 208 00:10:37,970 --> 00:10:39,889 I'm from Missouri. 209 00:10:39,889 --> 00:10:43,809 I was a schoolteacher          and I'm a singer." 210 00:10:43,809 --> 00:10:45,686 -I remember auditioning                Sheryl. 211 00:10:45,686 --> 00:10:48,731 She was just a little         perky kid  212 00:10:48,731 --> 00:10:51,192 and with a high voice,               you know, 213 00:10:51,192 --> 00:10:53,277 and she was cool.         She had a cool sound. 214 00:10:53,277 --> 00:10:56,739 And I thought,       okay, let's go with this. 215 00:10:58,616 --> 00:11:01,786 -We got on an airplane, a 747, 216 00:11:01,786 --> 00:11:03,746 which I'd never seen. 217 00:11:03,746 --> 00:11:05,206 I'd never been          out of the country. 218 00:11:05,206 --> 00:11:06,916 We were fitted for costumes. 219 00:11:06,916 --> 00:11:08,084 We were given a look. 220 00:11:08,084 --> 00:11:10,503 Like, I had this great,            big blond hair. 221 00:11:10,503 --> 00:11:12,588 It's just one of those things      that really doesn't hit you 222 00:11:12,588 --> 00:11:15,966 until you begin rehearsing,    again, getting your passport. 223 00:11:15,966 --> 00:11:18,386 You sell your car.  You get rid of your apartment. 224 00:11:18,386 --> 00:11:20,179 And then all of a sudden,           you find yourself 225 00:11:20,179 --> 00:11:22,556 in front of 60,000 people. 226 00:11:25,101 --> 00:11:26,936 I came up       the Michael Jackson tour 227 00:11:26,936 --> 00:11:29,939 with some of the most             important... 228 00:11:29,939 --> 00:11:33,567 relationships in my life. 229 00:11:34,777 --> 00:11:37,154 -The first time I met Sheryl             was in Japan. 230 00:11:37,154 --> 00:11:41,033 I was working on the "Bad"       tour in a funny capacity 231 00:11:41,033 --> 00:11:43,119 as sort of a marketing liaison 232 00:11:43,119 --> 00:11:45,371 between Pepsi          and Michael's camp. 233 00:11:45,371 --> 00:11:48,040 I think most people assumed          I worked for Pepsi, 234 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:49,208 which I didn't, 235 00:11:49,208 --> 00:11:52,294 I knew they would     never hire a person like me. 236 00:11:52,294 --> 00:11:55,089 I do recall a moment            at soundcheck. 237 00:11:55,089 --> 00:11:58,175 Sheryl took the mic,         and I definitely did 238 00:11:58,175 --> 00:12:02,847 a turnaround double take,        and I was like, "Wow." 239 00:12:02,847 --> 00:12:06,308 - Then tell me         just what did I do? 240 00:12:06,308 --> 00:12:09,395 -Somebody introduced me              to Sheryl. 241 00:12:09,395 --> 00:12:13,357 We became comfortable          as friends, really. 242 00:12:13,357 --> 00:12:16,736 -He and I just became        very, very, very close. 243 00:12:16,736 --> 00:12:18,237 And one of the reasons           we were so close 244 00:12:18,237 --> 00:12:22,366 was he just knew so much      about every genre of music. 245 00:12:22,366 --> 00:12:25,244 So he and I just became         really great friends. 246 00:12:25,244 --> 00:12:28,122 We continued that friendship        after the Jackson tour, 247 00:12:28,122 --> 00:12:30,541 and then he ultimately          became my manager. 248 00:12:31,292 --> 00:12:34,670 -Sheryl, Scooter, and myself,          we hung out a lot. 249 00:12:34,670 --> 00:12:35,921 We spent a lot of time               together, 250 00:12:35,921 --> 00:12:37,298 you know, away from the band 251 00:12:37,298 --> 00:12:40,634 and everything,  and she was always so curious, 252 00:12:40,634 --> 00:12:41,844 wanted to learn everything, 253 00:12:41,844 --> 00:12:44,346 wanted to learn guitar,              keyboards. 254 00:12:44,346 --> 00:12:45,890 -Greg would come over,         and he would give me 255 00:12:45,890 --> 00:12:48,100 his philosophies      on building musical hooks, 256 00:12:48,100 --> 00:12:51,061 and we did a bunch         of writing together. 257 00:12:51,061 --> 00:12:54,732 -Sheryl was focused            on songwriting 258 00:12:54,732 --> 00:12:56,442 and developing her palette 259 00:12:56,442 --> 00:12:59,111 and where she wanted to go           from the get-go. 260 00:12:59,111 --> 00:13:00,529 She was always making music. 261 00:13:00,529 --> 00:13:06,202 - Hurry, operator,     get redemption on the line 262 00:13:07,411 --> 00:13:10,831 I was invited to hang out           in the "A" camp. 263 00:13:10,831 --> 00:13:12,541 While we were in Tokyo,          I got a phone call 264 00:13:12,541 --> 00:13:15,920 from one of Michael's         security guys saying, 265 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:17,797 "Hey, Mike wants you             to come over 266 00:13:17,797 --> 00:13:21,717 and watch a couple of movies." 267 00:13:21,717 --> 00:13:24,136 I go over       to Michael's hotel room. 268 00:13:24,136 --> 00:13:28,891 We watch "Amos 'n' Andy,"     and then we watched "Shane," 269 00:13:28,891 --> 00:13:33,521 and he's giggling,        and Bubbles is around. 270 00:13:34,438 --> 00:13:37,024 When Bubbles wouldn't behave,    he would take a ballpoint pen 271 00:13:37,024 --> 00:13:38,776 and he'd, like,         poke him in the chest 272 00:13:38,776 --> 00:13:40,277 to get his attention              and stuff. 273 00:13:40,277 --> 00:13:42,404 I mean, it was like... 274 00:13:43,656 --> 00:13:44,824 It was crazy. 275 00:13:44,824 --> 00:13:47,243 -He did poke him with a BIC. 276 00:13:47,243 --> 00:13:49,912 He just would do like,              "Quit it." 277 00:13:49,912 --> 00:13:51,163 You know,        you read about chimps, 278 00:13:51,163 --> 00:13:53,123 what they can do to a person. 279 00:13:53,123 --> 00:13:54,542 -Yeah, I mean,       even when I'm telling it, 280 00:13:54,542 --> 00:13:57,336 I'm thinking this is       the weirdest thing ever. 281 00:13:57,336 --> 00:14:01,590 But I didn't ever        really get to know him. 282 00:14:01,590 --> 00:14:02,675 I was pretty naive, 283 00:14:02,675 --> 00:14:06,136 but I still thought it was      so weird that Michael had, 284 00:14:06,136 --> 00:14:07,555 you know, a couple little boys 285 00:14:07,555 --> 00:14:09,849 on the road with him          at different times. 286 00:14:09,849 --> 00:14:12,184 Now, knowing what is alleged, 287 00:14:12,184 --> 00:14:14,270 it makes me sad         for the life he had. 288 00:14:14,270 --> 00:14:17,147 Obviously, it makes us       all sad for the children. 289 00:14:17,147 --> 00:14:20,484 It's just -- it's devastating         to even think about. 290 00:14:22,069 --> 00:14:24,238 -"I Just Can't Stop         Loving You" was a big 291 00:14:24,238 --> 00:14:25,823 duet moment in the tour. 292 00:14:25,823 --> 00:14:27,908 Sheryl was put in            that spotlight, 293 00:14:27,908 --> 00:14:29,118 and she commanded it. 294 00:14:29,118 --> 00:14:32,121 She belted it out      nose-to-nose with Michael. 295 00:14:32,121 --> 00:14:33,581 -She couldn't believe          she had to walk out 296 00:14:33,581 --> 00:14:35,958 in this tight miniskirt          and wear these wigs 297 00:14:35,958 --> 00:14:37,376 that were almost          as big as she was. 298 00:14:37,376 --> 00:14:40,379 You know,   massive   wig,       you know, and all made up 299 00:14:40,379 --> 00:14:42,464 and all dolled up     in the heels and everything. 300 00:14:42,464 --> 00:14:44,508 - When morning awakes me 301 00:14:44,508 --> 00:14:47,344 Sometimes he'd   really   want it            to look sexual, 302 00:14:47,344 --> 00:14:50,055 you know,        like, he'd grab my hip. 303 00:14:50,055 --> 00:14:51,140 And by the end of that tour, 304 00:14:51,140 --> 00:14:52,516 everywhere         in all the tabloids, 305 00:14:52,516 --> 00:14:55,603 I was gonna marry him,      I was gonna have his baby. 306 00:14:55,603 --> 00:14:58,314 -The tabloid aspect          of the Jackson tour 307 00:14:58,314 --> 00:15:00,691 was super extreme. 308 00:15:00,691 --> 00:15:01,692 The press was saying that 309 00:15:01,692 --> 00:15:03,694 Sheryl and Michael            were a couple. 310 00:15:03,694 --> 00:15:04,862 -I mean, please, you know? 311 00:15:04,862 --> 00:15:06,405 You sing the duet,             so obviously, 312 00:15:06,405 --> 00:15:08,449 "Oh, then you must be          seeing each other." 313 00:15:08,449 --> 00:15:09,909 "No, we're singing a duet." 314 00:15:09,909 --> 00:15:11,911 -Every article would be 315 00:15:11,911 --> 00:15:14,788 so completely outlandish               about me. 316 00:15:14,788 --> 00:15:16,123 In hindsight, it probably was 317 00:15:16,123 --> 00:15:19,919 planted with publicists              and things. 318 00:15:19,919 --> 00:15:21,921 - And if I stop 319 00:15:25,633 --> 00:15:29,136 -I think the first time      I spoke my mind, lyrically, 320 00:15:29,136 --> 00:15:31,597 it was a song called       "What I Can Do for You." 321 00:15:31,597 --> 00:15:33,599 The song is really          from the standpoint 322 00:15:33,599 --> 00:15:36,685 of the sexual harasser,    particularly in our business. 323 00:15:36,685 --> 00:15:40,856 It was about my own experience        with sexual harassment. 324 00:15:42,274 --> 00:15:44,610 What I can do for you 325 00:15:44,610 --> 00:15:50,032 There's no one else    on God's green earth can do 326 00:15:52,117 --> 00:15:53,452 There was a lot of interest 327 00:15:53,452 --> 00:15:56,622 from Michael Jackson's manager             to manage me. 328 00:15:56,622 --> 00:15:59,500 This manager was signed to     manage Michael specifically, 329 00:15:59,500 --> 00:16:01,418 and only,       so for him to manage me, 330 00:16:01,418 --> 00:16:02,920 he would have been fired. 331 00:16:02,920 --> 00:16:04,380 Now, I don't know anything 332 00:16:04,380 --> 00:16:05,589 about how       the music business works. 333 00:16:05,589 --> 00:16:07,341 I know you get your songs              to somebody 334 00:16:07,341 --> 00:16:10,094 who either is a producer  or is inside the record label, 335 00:16:10,094 --> 00:16:11,261 or they come see you, 336 00:16:11,261 --> 00:16:12,429 and then you worked              really hard 337 00:16:12,429 --> 00:16:13,931 and you were         a really nice person 338 00:16:13,931 --> 00:16:15,140 and you wrote good songs, 339 00:16:15,140 --> 00:16:17,351 and then you made it        or you didn't make it. 340 00:16:17,351 --> 00:16:20,229 I have so much to offer 341 00:16:20,229 --> 00:16:21,939 If you just be nice 342 00:16:21,939 --> 00:16:27,319 If you do what I say and     don't make me say it twice 343 00:16:27,319 --> 00:16:29,947 He said, "This is what      we're gonna be able to do. 344 00:16:29,947 --> 00:16:31,740 We will guarantee 345 00:16:31,740 --> 00:16:34,159 that the album will come out             in the top 10 346 00:16:34,159 --> 00:16:37,997 and the single will come out        as well in the top 10." 347 00:16:38,372 --> 00:16:41,417 Within a matter of            a couple weeks, 348 00:16:41,417 --> 00:16:43,210 any kind of event            that was held, 349 00:16:43,210 --> 00:16:46,338 I always had to go        with Michael's manager, 350 00:16:46,338 --> 00:16:48,424 and then    the sexual harassment started 351 00:16:48,424 --> 00:16:51,301 with his manager being,          like, all over me, 352 00:16:51,301 --> 00:16:56,432 and it was a constant battle       of keeping him off of me. 353 00:16:56,974 --> 00:16:58,308 -Frank was a gangster. 354 00:16:58,308 --> 00:17:00,436 You know,       let's not sugarcoat that. 355 00:17:00,436 --> 00:17:03,063 I mean, he wasn't cast       in the movie "Goodfellas" 356 00:17:03,063 --> 00:17:04,231 by accident. 357 00:17:04,231 --> 00:17:06,525 -She confided in me  that there was pressure on her 358 00:17:06,525 --> 00:17:09,695 to become more familiar              with Frank 359 00:17:09,695 --> 00:17:12,281 on levels      that she was uncomfortable. 360 00:17:12,281 --> 00:17:13,741 -I told       the three backup singers 361 00:17:13,741 --> 00:17:15,909 that I was working with          what had happened, 362 00:17:15,909 --> 00:17:17,286 and I was really terrified. 363 00:17:17,286 --> 00:17:22,207 So I finally contacted a very     high-powered music attorney, 364 00:17:22,207 --> 00:17:24,168 and I said,        "Look, I'm frightened. 365 00:17:24,168 --> 00:17:28,255 I've already been told       if I ever blow this cover 366 00:17:28,255 --> 00:17:30,674 that I will never work again 367 00:17:30,674 --> 00:17:32,384 and that I need          to watch my back." 368 00:17:32,384 --> 00:17:34,386 And then he ultimately, at    the end of the meeting, said, 369 00:17:34,386 --> 00:17:39,224 "Look, you will come out ahead  if you can just stick it out." 370 00:17:39,224 --> 00:17:42,478 And the last thing he said      was that, "There are people 371 00:17:42,478 --> 00:17:45,314 that would die to be          in this situation." 372 00:17:45,314 --> 00:17:51,403 And I just sunk into the  darkest, most depressed place, 373 00:17:51,403 --> 00:17:55,908 just the disappointment of    the way the real world works. 374 00:17:55,908 --> 00:17:58,911 And I was really destroyed. 375 00:17:58,911 --> 00:18:01,330 What I can do for you 376 00:18:01,330 --> 00:18:04,708 There's no one else,             no one else 377 00:18:04,708 --> 00:18:08,420 No one else gonna do               for you 378 00:18:08,420 --> 00:18:10,589 Just ask anybody 379 00:18:10,589 --> 00:18:13,217 And they'll tell you           that it's true 380 00:18:13,217 --> 00:18:14,593 There's no one else              on earth 381 00:18:14,593 --> 00:18:19,306 Can do the things        that I can do for you 382 00:18:19,306 --> 00:18:20,599 Yeah, for you 383 00:18:20,599 --> 00:18:23,018 -One day I was sitting             in my office, 384 00:18:23,018 --> 00:18:24,436 I got a call from Frank. 385 00:18:24,436 --> 00:18:27,689 He said to me that he didn't       like what she had to say 386 00:18:27,689 --> 00:18:29,441 in one of her songs,             and he said, 387 00:18:29,441 --> 00:18:32,277 "Well, we're gonna sue you."       And I said, "Go for it." 388 00:18:32,277 --> 00:18:34,780 And I never heard from him                again. 389 00:18:38,617 --> 00:18:41,203 -When I got home         from the Jackson tour 390 00:18:41,203 --> 00:18:43,372 and after I kind of        pulled myself together, 391 00:18:43,372 --> 00:18:45,958 I auditioned for this band          called Toy Matinee 392 00:18:45,958 --> 00:18:47,126 that Kevin Gilbert was in, 393 00:18:47,126 --> 00:18:48,585 and I got the part          of keyboard player 394 00:18:48,585 --> 00:18:52,047 and started dating Kevin,        which is such a cliché. 395 00:18:52,047 --> 00:18:54,133 But this guy was   so   talented. 396 00:18:54,133 --> 00:18:56,343 So he invited me         to this thing called 397 00:18:56,343 --> 00:18:57,678 the Tuesday Night Music Club. 398 00:18:57,678 --> 00:19:01,890 -What in the world is    the Tuesday Night Music Club? 399 00:19:01,890 --> 00:19:03,851 -A club of wild partiers 400 00:19:03,851 --> 00:19:06,687 who all happen to be            artists in L.A. 401 00:19:06,687 --> 00:19:08,105 It was a pretty heady crowd. 402 00:19:08,105 --> 00:19:09,648 I mean, it was           a lot of drinking 403 00:19:09,648 --> 00:19:11,608 and some guys dropping acid. 404 00:19:11,608 --> 00:19:14,695 I mean, it was like             freethinkers. 405 00:19:14,695 --> 00:19:17,197 -Kevin Gilbert brought her in 406 00:19:17,197 --> 00:19:21,368 to our Tuesday Night session            very early on. 407 00:19:21,368 --> 00:19:22,828 It was unbelievable. 408 00:19:22,828 --> 00:19:27,541 Something of a higher order            came together. 409 00:19:28,333 --> 00:19:31,211 -I think the first session                we did, 410 00:19:31,211 --> 00:19:34,298 we wrote and recorded         "Leaving Las Vegas." 411 00:19:34,298 --> 00:19:36,383 -Sheryl took the lyric sheet         and started singing. 412 00:19:36,383 --> 00:19:40,596 She sat over on a chair over      in the corner and sang it, 413 00:19:40,596 --> 00:19:41,972 and she sang          the shit out of it. 414 00:19:41,972 --> 00:19:46,226 -I remember Bill saying to me,         "I love your singing 415 00:19:46,226 --> 00:19:49,062 when you're not trying            to sing great." 416 00:19:49,062 --> 00:19:52,524 -The diversity of her vocals,      I mean, it's unbelievable. 417 00:19:52,524 --> 00:19:55,569 She owns every song,         owns every character. 418 00:19:55,569 --> 00:20:00,282 When she sings        and also when we write, 419 00:20:00,282 --> 00:20:01,575 everything came to life. 420 00:20:01,575 --> 00:20:04,536 -I think up until that point,        there was not, like, a, 421 00:20:04,536 --> 00:20:06,663 "We're making       a record   for   this girl." 422 00:20:06,663 --> 00:20:10,751 And then Bill started really        managing the situation, 423 00:20:10,751 --> 00:20:12,878 only letting people come in             when needed. 424 00:20:12,878 --> 00:20:15,756 And Kevin didn't like          not being invited, 425 00:20:15,756 --> 00:20:18,258 so that started        to cause real friction, 426 00:20:18,258 --> 00:20:21,220 and our relationship        started deteriorating. 427 00:20:21,220 --> 00:20:25,182 -I was in charge of            getting it made 428 00:20:25,182 --> 00:20:28,060 and curating it,          if that's the word. 429 00:20:28,060 --> 00:20:29,394 It's like a stew. 430 00:20:29,394 --> 00:20:34,274 The other band guys --     they weren't there for that. 431 00:20:34,274 --> 00:20:35,692 -We would drink a bunch, 432 00:20:35,692 --> 00:20:37,778 we'd go to the bookstore            down the road, 433 00:20:37,778 --> 00:20:41,406 and we bought a poetry book    by this man named Wyn Cooper. 434 00:20:41,406 --> 00:20:44,701 And there was a poem in it       first thing called "Fun." 435 00:20:44,701 --> 00:20:46,245 It started off with,           "All I want to do 436 00:20:46,245 --> 00:20:49,331 is have a little fun            before I die." 437 00:20:49,331 --> 00:20:51,458 And so we had           this groove going 438 00:20:51,458 --> 00:20:54,294 that was somewhere between            Stealers Wheel 439 00:20:54,294 --> 00:20:56,380 and a Marvin Gaye track, 440 00:20:56,380 --> 00:20:57,714 and I picked up            the poetry book 441 00:20:57,714 --> 00:21:00,634 and started just          kind of free form, 442 00:21:00,634 --> 00:21:03,470 All I wanna do is have      a little fun before I die 443 00:21:03,470 --> 00:21:05,973 Says a man next to me           out of nowhere 444 00:21:05,973 --> 00:21:08,850 And I just kind of          acted out the poem. 445 00:21:08,850 --> 00:21:12,604 And then we put            this hook in -- 446 00:21:12,604 --> 00:21:14,690 All I wanna do 447 00:21:14,690 --> 00:21:15,816 And that became the song. 448 00:21:15,816 --> 00:21:18,860 All I wanna do          is have some fun 449 00:21:18,860 --> 00:21:22,739 I got a feeling        I'm not the only one 450 00:21:22,739 --> 00:21:24,032 Well, all I wanna do 451 00:21:24,032 --> 00:21:26,618 By the end of the record,       I was thinking, you know, 452 00:21:26,618 --> 00:21:29,788 that song is really cool,  but it's -- it's such a B-side 453 00:21:29,788 --> 00:21:33,792 and it's so esoteric            and so quirky. 454 00:21:33,792 --> 00:21:35,502 We should just leave it off. 455 00:21:35,502 --> 00:21:36,878 And Bill's like,       "We   can't   leave it off." 456 00:21:36,878 --> 00:21:38,588 And I was like, "Well,       I got to contact this guy 457 00:21:38,588 --> 00:21:41,466 and tell him         we've used his poem." 458 00:21:41,466 --> 00:21:43,468 So we looked for him.             I called him. 459 00:21:43,468 --> 00:21:45,387 I was like,      "I know you don't know me. 460 00:21:45,387 --> 00:21:46,805 We've used your poem. 461 00:21:46,805 --> 00:21:49,683 We want to give you, you know,         half the songwriting, 462 00:21:49,683 --> 00:21:52,144 should the thing      ever see the light of day." 463 00:21:52,144 --> 00:21:55,272 And he's like, "Oh,      that's great, that's great. 464 00:21:57,149 --> 00:22:00,569 I like a good beer buzz        early in the morning 465 00:22:00,569 --> 00:22:02,571 And Billy likes to           peel the labels 466 00:22:02,571 --> 00:22:03,947 Off those bottles of Bud 467 00:22:03,947 --> 00:22:08,076 The anniversary Woodstock      in '94 was a game changer. 468 00:22:08,076 --> 00:22:10,704 We came out    and we played our hearts out, 469 00:22:10,704 --> 00:22:14,458 and then suddenly        we were being noticed. 470 00:22:14,458 --> 00:22:17,127 -It's really quite a thing              to witness. 471 00:22:17,127 --> 00:22:18,754 It's like a match striking 472 00:22:18,754 --> 00:22:21,506 and then somebody          throwing oil on it. 473 00:22:21,506 --> 00:22:23,508 It moves so fast          you don't even know 474 00:22:23,508 --> 00:22:25,260 what your next move is. 475 00:22:25,260 --> 00:22:31,016 - Until the sun comes up    over Santa Monica Boulevard 476 00:22:31,016 --> 00:22:33,018 -All of a sudden       you're hearing it, like, 477 00:22:33,018 --> 00:22:36,021 in drugstores          and grocery stores 478 00:22:36,021 --> 00:22:39,649 and then magazines         are talking about it. 479 00:22:39,649 --> 00:22:43,737 Hairdressers are giving people        the Sheryl Crow curls. 480 00:22:43,737 --> 00:22:45,447 The song was everywhere. 481 00:22:45,447 --> 00:22:50,243 - All I wanna do          is have some fun 482 00:22:50,243 --> 00:22:51,578 -Oh! 483 00:22:51,578 --> 00:22:53,497 -There's a moment            when a hit song 484 00:22:53,497 --> 00:22:55,499 takes on its own life. 485 00:22:55,499 --> 00:22:57,834 It becomes bigger             than the song 486 00:22:57,834 --> 00:22:59,961 and sometimes bigger           than the artist. 487 00:22:59,961 --> 00:23:02,672 And that's definitely      something to watch out for, 488 00:23:02,672 --> 00:23:05,217 especially on           your first album. 489 00:23:09,805 --> 00:23:11,431 -They put        "Leaving Las Vegas" out 490 00:23:11,431 --> 00:23:13,016 and it started           to have traction. 491 00:23:13,016 --> 00:23:16,061 We started to get some TV,      and I got David Letterman. 492 00:23:16,061 --> 00:23:19,272 -Now, this right here, kids,       is her debut CD entitled 493 00:23:19,272 --> 00:23:20,690 "Tuesday Night Music Club." 494 00:23:20,690 --> 00:23:23,527 Making her first appearance               with us, 495 00:23:23,527 --> 00:23:24,694 here's Sheryl Crow. 496 00:23:24,694 --> 00:23:26,446 Sheryl, come on out. 497 00:23:35,872 --> 00:23:38,792 Life springs eternal 498 00:23:38,792 --> 00:23:42,629 On a gaudy neon street 499 00:23:42,629 --> 00:23:45,173 Not that I care at all 500 00:23:47,843 --> 00:23:48,969 Now I'm... 501 00:23:48,969 --> 00:23:50,512 You know, you grow up           and you watch TV, 502 00:23:50,512 --> 00:23:51,888 and you see Ed Sullivan        and you see Dick Clark 503 00:23:51,888 --> 00:23:53,723 and he's interviewing people              and stuff. 504 00:23:53,723 --> 00:23:55,100 And that's TV, you know, 505 00:23:55,100 --> 00:23:57,269 and then all of a sudden             you're on TV. 506 00:23:57,269 --> 00:24:01,857 I'm leaving Las Vegas 507 00:24:02,899 --> 00:24:05,735 David Letterman, who      was really the first person 508 00:24:05,735 --> 00:24:07,946 to have me on national TV, 509 00:24:07,946 --> 00:24:10,157 who had kind of discovered         the record on his own 510 00:24:10,157 --> 00:24:12,200 driving back and forth to       his house in Connecticut, 511 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:13,910 said, you know,      "Come over and talk to me," 512 00:24:13,910 --> 00:24:16,746 and, you know,        it was Dave Letterman. 513 00:24:16,746 --> 00:24:19,416 -Nice to see you.        Thanks for being here. 514 00:24:19,416 --> 00:24:21,251 -Thank you.          -Have a seat there. 515 00:24:22,544 --> 00:24:24,880 The crowd goes crazy.                -Whaa! 516 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,590 He said,        "So what is this song? 517 00:24:26,590 --> 00:24:28,049 Is this thing          autobiographical?" 518 00:24:28,049 --> 00:24:30,802 And I'm so nervous, I'm like,       "Well, I mean, kind of." 519 00:24:30,802 --> 00:24:32,679 -I'm guessing -- and I think     I know the answer to this -- 520 00:24:32,679 --> 00:24:34,973 that song in some way       must be autobiographical. 521 00:24:34,973 --> 00:24:36,933 Is that correct?               -Uh, yes. 522 00:24:36,933 --> 00:24:40,312 -Which is a stupid question          for a guy like him. 523 00:24:40,312 --> 00:24:44,733 It's like, it's a   character         sung by Sheryl Crow. 524 00:24:44,733 --> 00:24:47,569 This is a little complicated          to describe, right? 525 00:24:47,569 --> 00:24:50,155 So she said, "Yeah." 526 00:24:51,698 --> 00:24:53,575 Well, you know... 527 00:24:53,575 --> 00:24:55,452 -I've never lived there.  -You never lived in Las Vegas. 528 00:24:55,452 --> 00:24:56,870 -No, I haven't.          -You worked there? 529 00:24:56,870 --> 00:24:58,497 -Haven't really worked there                either. 530 00:24:58,497 --> 00:24:59,664 -Have you ever been there? 531 00:24:59,664 --> 00:25:00,957 -Yes, I've lost         a lot of money there. 532 00:25:00,957 --> 00:25:02,626 -Could you find it on a map?                 -Yes. 533 00:25:02,626 --> 00:25:05,212 I wasn't prepared for           how overwhelming 534 00:25:05,212 --> 00:25:08,840 it would feel to have somebody       that I had watched on TV 535 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,217 ask me questions. 536 00:25:10,217 --> 00:25:12,093 Originally, the song was very    metaphorical for Los Angeles, 537 00:25:12,093 --> 00:25:14,137 that people move there        with these great dreams 538 00:25:14,137 --> 00:25:15,847 and they wind up       being very disillusioned. 539 00:25:15,847 --> 00:25:19,643 And so that's what Las Vegas          seems to exemplify. 540 00:25:19,643 --> 00:25:20,936 -Then why didn't you             call the song 541 00:25:20,936 --> 00:25:22,020 "I'm Leaving Los Angeles"? 542 00:25:22,020 --> 00:25:24,314 In fact,     every major American city -- 543 00:25:24,314 --> 00:25:26,733 "I'm Leaving Minneapolis." 544 00:25:26,733 --> 00:25:28,026 "I'm Leaving Milwaukee." 545 00:25:28,026 --> 00:25:29,903 -Milwaukee's a good one, yeah. 546 00:25:29,903 --> 00:25:32,489 "I'm Leaving New York"...               shortly. 547 00:25:32,489 --> 00:25:33,615 -No. 548 00:25:35,158 --> 00:25:37,827 -Yes, if I could go back           and do it again, 549 00:25:37,827 --> 00:25:39,246 certainly I would feel my feet 550 00:25:39,246 --> 00:25:41,706 and I would try to put myself      in my body and I would say, 551 00:25:41,706 --> 00:25:43,667 "You know, what a great      experience being in a room 552 00:25:43,667 --> 00:25:45,919 with all these incredible,          intellectual people 553 00:25:45,919 --> 00:25:47,671 and being able           to jam a song out 554 00:25:47,671 --> 00:25:49,089 and put together lyrics              together." 555 00:25:49,089 --> 00:25:52,759 And, you know, I could have      told that story, you know, 556 00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:55,220 but I couldn't think. 557 00:25:55,220 --> 00:25:59,099 -The drama that followed --          it was a shit show. 558 00:25:59,099 --> 00:26:03,645 -And I came home the next day       to just a massive blow-up 559 00:26:03,645 --> 00:26:05,939 of the guys in the group                saying, 560 00:26:05,939 --> 00:26:07,816 "She's taken        totally credit for it." 561 00:26:07,816 --> 00:26:10,068 And then come to find out      that there had been a book 562 00:26:10,068 --> 00:26:11,695 called "Leaving Las Vegas." 563 00:26:11,695 --> 00:26:15,031 And the title         was brought in to us 564 00:26:15,031 --> 00:26:17,993 by one of the guys in    the Tuesday Night Music Club. 565 00:26:17,993 --> 00:26:20,787 And he had said      we had promised the writer, 566 00:26:20,787 --> 00:26:22,122 John O'Brien, publishing, 567 00:26:22,122 --> 00:26:24,165 and that       I was fully aware of it. 568 00:26:24,165 --> 00:26:28,461 And after David Letterman,    the author committed suicide. 569 00:26:30,505 --> 00:26:32,424 And... 570 00:26:34,884 --> 00:26:36,886 I just... 571 00:26:36,886 --> 00:26:39,139 I mean,       I just went into a hole. 572 00:26:39,139 --> 00:26:41,975 I -- I just went into a hole. 573 00:26:42,726 --> 00:26:46,104 -The press unfairly cast her            as the bad guy, 574 00:26:46,104 --> 00:26:49,441 and she carried that weight           for a long time. 575 00:26:51,943 --> 00:26:53,862 -It's that good-girl thing        where you're just like, 576 00:26:53,862 --> 00:26:55,238 "I would never hurt anybody. 577 00:26:55,238 --> 00:26:56,865 I would never want         anybody to be hurt." 578 00:26:56,865 --> 00:26:59,075 And then      it's all of that, you know. 579 00:26:59,075 --> 00:27:02,912 It all ties into... 580 00:27:02,912 --> 00:27:04,706 you know, work hard,           be a good person. 581 00:27:04,706 --> 00:27:06,958 And then you just --           all of a sudden, 582 00:27:06,958 --> 00:27:08,585 you just wake up and you're -- 583 00:27:08,585 --> 00:27:12,380 wake up and you realize, wow. 584 00:27:12,380 --> 00:27:14,549 What happened? So... 585 00:27:15,800 --> 00:27:19,679 Can we just      take a break for a second? 586 00:27:23,099 --> 00:27:25,477 Picking up an "L.A. Weekly"        and seeing an interview 587 00:27:25,477 --> 00:27:28,772 with the person that was in       Tuesday Night Music Club, 588 00:27:28,772 --> 00:27:31,983 and to read it in print        and to see the lies -- 589 00:27:31,983 --> 00:27:33,902 it changed me. 590 00:27:33,902 --> 00:27:36,112 -I never supported            that narrative. 591 00:27:36,112 --> 00:27:37,906 The press wants a drama. 592 00:27:37,906 --> 00:27:41,951 -It took that little,        innocent, young person 593 00:27:41,951 --> 00:27:43,286 that was on David Letterman 594 00:27:43,286 --> 00:27:48,166 and made me not want to be          accessible anymore. 595 00:27:51,586 --> 00:27:54,464 -And the Best New Artist is... 596 00:27:54,464 --> 00:27:56,132 -Sheryl Crow. 597 00:27:56,132 --> 00:27:58,093 -At that point, there was        quite a lot of friction 598 00:27:58,093 --> 00:27:59,386 with the       Tuesday Night Music Club. 599 00:27:59,386 --> 00:28:02,222 And I remember looking out            and seeing them 600 00:28:02,222 --> 00:28:06,017 and not feeling the happiness             or the pride. 601 00:28:06,017 --> 00:28:07,227 But nonetheless,           they were there, 602 00:28:07,227 --> 00:28:09,938 and just how self-conscious                I felt. 603 00:28:09,938 --> 00:28:11,731 Most importantly, I want        to thank Bill Bottrell, 604 00:28:11,731 --> 00:28:13,149 who helped me make             this record, 605 00:28:13,149 --> 00:28:15,235 and all the artists I've been          very inspired by -- 606 00:28:15,235 --> 00:28:17,862 David Baerwald,  David Ricketts, Kevin Gilbert. 607 00:28:17,862 --> 00:28:19,280 Wyn Cooper, who actually             came up with 608 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:20,990 "All I wanna do          is have some fun." 609 00:28:20,990 --> 00:28:22,867 Most importantly, though,      I want to thank my manager, 610 00:28:22,867 --> 00:28:25,870 who's a first-time manager        who's been working for 611 00:28:25,870 --> 00:28:28,206 no money up until now for me. 612 00:28:28,206 --> 00:28:30,083 He's my best friend.          His name's Scooter. 613 00:28:30,083 --> 00:28:32,127 And he really deserves this. 614 00:28:32,127 --> 00:28:33,753 By the end of the night, 615 00:28:33,753 --> 00:28:35,380 the last award --        it's the biggest award. 616 00:28:35,380 --> 00:28:37,799 You're up against          Bruce Springsteen. 617 00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:40,677 I was not thinking         that I was gonna win. 618 00:28:40,677 --> 00:28:43,805 -And the Record of the Year                 is... 619 00:28:44,848 --> 00:28:47,058 ..."All I Wanna Do,"             Sheryl Crow. 620 00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,270 - All I wanna do 621 00:28:50,270 --> 00:28:52,856 Bill was very consistent            with who he was 622 00:28:52,856 --> 00:28:53,857 when we made the record. 623 00:28:53,857 --> 00:28:55,942 We accepted the Grammys               together 624 00:28:55,942 --> 00:28:57,193 and it was a celebration. 625 00:28:57,193 --> 00:29:01,114 I mean, it really was.     And that changed everything. 626 00:29:01,948 --> 00:29:04,826 As soon as that record won          Record of the Year, 627 00:29:04,826 --> 00:29:07,036 Best New Artist,           Song of the Year, 628 00:29:07,036 --> 00:29:10,290 our record sales doubled. 629 00:29:10,290 --> 00:29:12,709 -Sheryl was working 24/7 -- 630 00:29:12,709 --> 00:29:15,670 videos, interviews, concerts. 631 00:29:15,670 --> 00:29:17,088 It was just never-ending. 632 00:29:17,088 --> 00:29:18,840 -The irony of it was, though, 633 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,800 we hadn't seen any money               from it. 634 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:24,137 My manager was still       working out of his closet 635 00:29:24,137 --> 00:29:26,347 across the hall          from his apartment, 636 00:29:26,347 --> 00:29:28,725 and I was still driving          an old Volkswagen. 637 00:29:28,725 --> 00:29:31,269 Volkswagen. 638 00:29:31,269 --> 00:29:33,313 -Sheryl and I       would share a hotel room. 639 00:29:33,313 --> 00:29:35,148 I would get up        at 00 in the morning, 640 00:29:35,148 --> 00:29:36,357 go down to the lobby, 641 00:29:36,357 --> 00:29:38,860 and have my calling card          in the phone booth. 642 00:29:38,860 --> 00:29:40,111 And that was that. 643 00:29:40,111 --> 00:29:43,281 And then if, like, I had      a girlfriend and she'd call 644 00:29:43,281 --> 00:29:45,742 or Sheryl was dating somebody           and they'd call, 645 00:29:45,742 --> 00:29:47,076 we would kind of          make believe, like, 646 00:29:47,076 --> 00:29:48,870 "Oh, let me see            if she's here," 647 00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:53,082 and then count 10 seconds       and hand the phone over. 648 00:29:53,082 --> 00:29:54,417 -Those were awesome days. 649 00:29:54,417 --> 00:29:56,085 I mean, you know,          you got off stage, 650 00:29:56,085 --> 00:29:57,170 you hung out with your band, 651 00:29:57,170 --> 00:29:58,421 played music,           drank some beers, 652 00:29:58,421 --> 00:30:00,381 crawled into bed,    and woke up the next morning, 653 00:30:00,381 --> 00:30:03,343 did press all day,           soundcheck, gig, 654 00:30:03,343 --> 00:30:05,929 drink some beers,  watch a movie, go back to bed. 655 00:30:05,929 --> 00:30:08,139 It was like       the same thing on repeat. 656 00:30:08,139 --> 00:30:09,557 We finally got a tour bus, 657 00:30:09,557 --> 00:30:12,101 and that was, like,         the biggest day ever. 658 00:30:12,101 --> 00:30:15,063 Come back, come back.      This one down here is mine. 659 00:30:15,063 --> 00:30:18,942 So you can see you have        the necessary tools -- 660 00:30:18,942 --> 00:30:22,529 leather hat, Pumas,  661 00:30:22,529 --> 00:30:25,448 and a curling iron, of course,           and other things 662 00:30:25,448 --> 00:30:27,742 that we don't have      to really get into, do we? 663 00:30:27,742 --> 00:30:28,660 Ha, ha! 664 00:30:28,660 --> 00:30:31,996 It was a pink bus and it had       a tilted champagne glass 665 00:30:31,996 --> 00:30:33,998 with little droplets, and      whenever people would yell, 666 00:30:33,998 --> 00:30:36,709 "Who's in the tour bus?"           we'd always yell, 667 00:30:36,709 --> 00:30:38,628 "Dolly Parton!" 668 00:30:40,755 --> 00:30:43,216 I got a dog named Scout. 669 00:30:43,216 --> 00:30:45,552 I adopted him. 670 00:30:45,552 --> 00:30:46,803 It's Scout! 671 00:30:46,803 --> 00:30:48,263 And he went on every tour, 672 00:30:48,263 --> 00:30:53,059 with the exception of        overseas, for 13 years. 673 00:30:55,687 --> 00:30:57,146 Ah, happiness. 674 00:30:57,146 --> 00:31:00,108 -I remember driving down      Sunset and seeing her name 675 00:31:00,108 --> 00:31:01,901 on the marquee of the Whiskey. 676 00:31:01,901 --> 00:31:05,321 Like, "Oh, man, she did it! 677 00:31:05,321 --> 00:31:08,783 She did it!         Wow, this is crazy." 678 00:31:09,117 --> 00:31:13,246 - Ah, yeah, yeah, yeah, run 679 00:31:13,246 --> 00:31:19,544 Run baby, run baby,            run baby, run 680 00:31:23,506 --> 00:31:29,262 Run baby, run baby,         run baby, run baby 681 00:31:29,262 --> 00:31:31,890 Run 682 00:31:35,018 --> 00:31:40,899 Run baby, run baby,         run baby, run baby 683 00:31:40,899 --> 00:31:42,817 Run 684 00:31:44,152 --> 00:31:48,281 Gotta keep on running, run 685 00:31:48,281 --> 00:31:49,282 Run baby 686 00:31:49,282 --> 00:31:50,491 We were in France, 687 00:31:50,491 --> 00:31:52,577 which was where my record        was doing really well. 688 00:31:52,577 --> 00:31:56,164 00 in the morning,    I get a call from Mick Jagger 689 00:31:56,164 --> 00:31:57,665 asking me if I would come 690 00:31:57,665 --> 00:32:00,585 and do their pay-per-view          with them in Miami. 691 00:32:00,585 --> 00:32:02,420 And they were gonna send            a private jet, 692 00:32:02,420 --> 00:32:04,172 which I'd never seen            a private jet. 693 00:32:04,172 --> 00:32:06,299 And I got over there,          and Keith came over 694 00:32:06,299 --> 00:32:09,260 and put his arm around me,      and, "Hey, little sister," 695 00:32:09,260 --> 00:32:12,305 which he has called me              ever since. 696 00:32:13,473 --> 00:32:15,350 -I had known something             about Sheryl. 697 00:32:15,350 --> 00:32:16,643 I had heard her records. 698 00:32:16,643 --> 00:32:20,021 What a great voice, you know,       really, you know, strong. 699 00:32:20,021 --> 00:32:22,190 -We rehearsed it.             It went fine. 700 00:32:22,190 --> 00:32:25,818 The next day I got up,       I threw up all day long. 701 00:32:25,818 --> 00:32:28,488 I was totally terrified. 702 00:32:28,488 --> 00:32:29,864 I get ready. I go over there. 703 00:32:29,864 --> 00:32:32,450 I'm telling Scooter, "I just      don't think I can do this." 704 00:32:32,450 --> 00:32:33,618 -She's flown a long way             to get here. 705 00:32:33,618 --> 00:32:35,620 I'm hoping she's got over             her jet lag. 706 00:32:35,620 --> 00:32:37,956 -And right before          I was walking out, 707 00:32:37,956 --> 00:32:40,166 as Mick was announcing me, 708 00:32:40,166 --> 00:32:42,335 Bobby Keys handed me        some tequila and said, 709 00:32:42,335 --> 00:32:45,171 "Take a shot of courage,"          and pushed me out. 710 00:32:45,171 --> 00:32:49,092 -I wish her luck.      Beautiful Miss Sheryl Crow. 711 00:32:58,518 --> 00:33:01,813 I got nasty habits 712 00:33:01,813 --> 00:33:04,065 I take tea at three 713 00:33:04,065 --> 00:33:06,693 With the meat I eat             for dinner 714 00:33:06,693 --> 00:33:10,154 I must be hung up             for a week 715 00:33:10,154 --> 00:33:14,659 -She would very well handle        Mick Jagger, you know. 716 00:33:14,659 --> 00:33:18,371 To me, just standing         in the back going... 717 00:33:18,371 --> 00:33:20,123 "Wow, this girl's strong,               you know? 718 00:33:20,123 --> 00:33:23,376 She's not putting up      with any of his bullshit." 719 00:33:23,584 --> 00:33:27,046 - Don'cha think       there's a place for us 720 00:33:27,046 --> 00:33:29,132 Right across the street? 721 00:33:29,716 --> 00:33:33,344 Don'cha think       there's a place for you 722 00:33:33,344 --> 00:33:35,638 In between the sheets? 723 00:33:35,638 --> 00:33:38,266 - Yeah      -She was very strong girl. 724 00:33:38,266 --> 00:33:40,727 Later on, a very genuine girl. 725 00:33:40,727 --> 00:33:44,272 In a way, very sensitive       and very sweet, you know. 726 00:33:44,272 --> 00:33:46,315 But there's a lot of tough               in there, 727 00:33:46,315 --> 00:33:49,360 and, you know,       which is a good mixture. 728 00:33:51,696 --> 00:33:55,324 -I went home, and Bill and I       decided we'd get together 729 00:33:55,324 --> 00:33:58,327 and write,         and we drank martinis 730 00:33:58,327 --> 00:34:02,623 and went out for a great     dinner and did some writing, 731 00:34:02,623 --> 00:34:07,336 and then we decided      we would go to New Orleans 732 00:34:07,336 --> 00:34:09,547 to make our record. 733 00:34:10,715 --> 00:34:13,801 The first record had sold like      five or six million copies, 734 00:34:13,801 --> 00:34:17,555 and we headed down to Kingsway       with this immense amount 735 00:34:17,555 --> 00:34:19,515 of pressure       for the sophomore record 736 00:34:19,515 --> 00:34:22,143 to live up to the first                record. 737 00:34:22,143 --> 00:34:23,394 You know, that word             "potential," 738 00:34:23,394 --> 00:34:24,604 how it can be so negative. 739 00:34:24,604 --> 00:34:26,355 Like, "You have   such               potential." 740 00:34:26,355 --> 00:34:28,399 It's almost like, "Man,      you could really blow it." 741 00:34:28,399 --> 00:34:30,651 What   potential,   you know? 742 00:34:30,651 --> 00:34:33,696 Our first day at Kingsway          was kind of quirky. 743 00:34:33,696 --> 00:34:37,450 We get there, and this woman  rolls out from under the board 744 00:34:37,450 --> 00:34:40,369 on, like, an automobile caddy              on her back 745 00:34:40,369 --> 00:34:42,455 with goggles         and a soldering iron. 746 00:34:42,455 --> 00:34:44,415 So we thought,     well, that doesn't bode well 747 00:34:44,415 --> 00:34:46,542 for the beautiful new console. 748 00:34:46,542 --> 00:34:47,668 We're kind of just getting, 749 00:34:47,668 --> 00:34:49,462 you know,       acclimated to the place. 750 00:34:49,462 --> 00:34:53,257 And as this woman was leaving,       she kind of scolded Bill 751 00:34:53,257 --> 00:34:55,343 about putting his drink            on the console. 752 00:34:55,343 --> 00:34:57,220 And so immediately             it was like, 753 00:34:57,220 --> 00:35:00,223 "Mm. This is a weird way              to start." 754 00:35:00,223 --> 00:35:03,392 -I do have a very vague memory 755 00:35:03,392 --> 00:35:06,437 of asking whoever it was 756 00:35:06,437 --> 00:35:08,272 that was on the other side            of the console 757 00:35:08,272 --> 00:35:10,900 to remove their beverage           from the console 758 00:35:10,900 --> 00:35:13,653 because it's inappropriate,       and everybody knows that. 759 00:35:13,653 --> 00:35:15,613 -I think we spent the day               in there 760 00:35:15,613 --> 00:35:16,739 kind of messing around, 761 00:35:16,739 --> 00:35:20,201 and more things didn't work               than did. 762 00:35:20,201 --> 00:35:22,203 -Daniel Lanois           built the studio. 763 00:35:22,203 --> 00:35:24,122 I swear he threw          half of it together 764 00:35:24,122 --> 00:35:25,623 before we got there, you know? 765 00:35:25,623 --> 00:35:27,834 -They think the studio sucks.          Nothing's working. 766 00:35:27,834 --> 00:35:29,585 The gear won't work         if you're mad at it. 767 00:35:29,585 --> 00:35:33,047 -We're trying to work,      and it's Sheryl's got this, 768 00:35:33,047 --> 00:35:34,632 "Yeah, but" attitude. 769 00:35:34,632 --> 00:35:37,885 -We broke and went to dinner    and once again had some wine. 770 00:35:37,885 --> 00:35:40,930 And the next morning       I woke up with a headache 771 00:35:40,930 --> 00:35:41,764 and no producer. 772 00:35:41,764 --> 00:35:44,767 -I'm like,        "I don't belong here." 773 00:35:44,767 --> 00:35:46,894 And I got on a plane            and came home. 774 00:35:46,894 --> 00:35:52,358 -I was there and had booked     the studio and was panicked. 775 00:35:52,358 --> 00:35:53,568 I called Scooter. 776 00:35:53,568 --> 00:35:55,528 -Sheryl said, "Bill has left.              He's done. 777 00:35:55,528 --> 00:35:57,655 He's not -- he's not gonna         work on the record." 778 00:35:57,655 --> 00:36:00,324 It was a frightening moment               for her. 779 00:36:00,324 --> 00:36:01,659 And he said,       "Why don't you call Jeff 780 00:36:01,659 --> 00:36:04,328 and see if he's interested           in coming down." 781 00:36:04,328 --> 00:36:05,580 The guitar player Jeff Trott, 782 00:36:05,580 --> 00:36:07,331 I didn't really            know very well. 783 00:36:07,331 --> 00:36:11,085 He played a little like             an '80s take 784 00:36:11,085 --> 00:36:13,546 on Keith Richards,             if you will. 785 00:36:14,672 --> 00:36:19,010 -I get this call, like, really      super early in the morning, 786 00:36:19,010 --> 00:36:20,595 and it's Sheryl. 787 00:36:20,595 --> 00:36:22,180 She's like, "Well, hey, 788 00:36:22,180 --> 00:36:25,391 what are you --         what are you up to?" 789 00:36:25,391 --> 00:36:28,603 And I said, "Well, you know,            exciting news. 790 00:36:28,603 --> 00:36:32,648 I'm going on the road        with The Wallflowers." 791 00:36:32,648 --> 00:36:35,193 And there was           complete silence. 792 00:36:35,193 --> 00:36:36,944 And then she comes back                with... 793 00:36:36,944 --> 00:36:39,447 -I don't think there's  probably a chance in the world 794 00:36:39,447 --> 00:36:40,615 you will consider this, 795 00:36:40,615 --> 00:36:43,618 but would you come            to New Orleans 796 00:36:43,618 --> 00:36:44,911 and help me make           my second record? 797 00:36:44,911 --> 00:36:47,330 -So she sort of put it to me,               you know, 798 00:36:47,330 --> 00:36:48,873 "Well, would you prefer 799 00:36:48,873 --> 00:36:51,500 playing cover songs           with your friends 800 00:36:51,500 --> 00:36:56,214 or maybe recording songs    that you have written with me 801 00:36:56,214 --> 00:36:58,257 for my record?" 802 00:36:58,257 --> 00:37:00,885 So check this out. 803 00:37:00,885 --> 00:37:02,345 -Oh, my gosh. 804 00:37:02,345 --> 00:37:04,555 Look at your cute little             shag haircut. 805 00:37:04,555 --> 00:37:05,640 -The shag. 806 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,099 -Why did you have           a trombone there? 807 00:37:07,099 --> 00:37:09,518 -I have no idea, 808 00:37:09,518 --> 00:37:12,063 -"Brian the cloud."              -The cloud. 809 00:37:13,272 --> 00:37:15,608 We called Brian MacLeod,         our favorite drummer. 810 00:37:15,608 --> 00:37:19,695 First thing we did was           we named Kingsway 811 00:37:19,695 --> 00:37:21,197 "Dan's Lamps and Things" 812 00:37:21,197 --> 00:37:22,740 because there was, like,             all kinds of 813 00:37:22,740 --> 00:37:24,325 beautiful antiques everywhere, 814 00:37:24,325 --> 00:37:27,328 gorgeous lamps    and big wooden baronial beds. 815 00:37:27,328 --> 00:37:30,623 And, you know, it was just       the most romantic place. 816 00:37:30,623 --> 00:37:33,542 Our engineer was           Trina Shoemaker. 817 00:37:33,542 --> 00:37:37,004 She wasn't just           good for a girl. 818 00:37:37,004 --> 00:37:39,298 She was just good. 819 00:37:39,298 --> 00:37:44,971 -For me, I have a unusual love           of the equipment, 820 00:37:44,971 --> 00:37:46,222 almost indecent. 821 00:37:46,222 --> 00:37:50,142 It's the constant in my life.    I go to the gear for comfort. 822 00:37:50,142 --> 00:37:54,605 It replaced, in many cases,        personal relationships. 823 00:37:54,605 --> 00:37:56,482 -She's a brilliant engineer. 824 00:37:56,482 --> 00:38:00,653 She also emotionally bonded             with Sheryl. 825 00:38:00,653 --> 00:38:04,865 She was a strong female artist           in her own right, 826 00:38:04,865 --> 00:38:08,286 and they kind of       powered through together. 827 00:38:08,286 --> 00:38:10,413 -That's what Trina          looked like to me. 828 00:38:10,413 --> 00:38:12,540 -Yeah.       -And she'd be looking up. 829 00:38:12,540 --> 00:38:16,752 -What was it for us two young     women trying to duke it out? 830 00:38:16,752 --> 00:38:19,588 And I think, well,      of course she kept me near 831 00:38:19,588 --> 00:38:21,716 because I was like her.             I was alone. 832 00:38:21,716 --> 00:38:25,469 No husband, no kids,           no family nearby. 833 00:38:25,469 --> 00:38:26,971 Bold, willing to fight, 834 00:38:26,971 --> 00:38:29,598 literally willing        to, like, punch people. 835 00:38:29,598 --> 00:38:30,975 I wanted to protect her, 836 00:38:30,975 --> 00:38:34,145 and I think that helped a    little bit from time to time. 837 00:38:34,145 --> 00:38:36,480 And she liked me for that. 838 00:38:41,819 --> 00:38:45,781 -Kingsway just felt like             a safe place. 839 00:38:45,781 --> 00:38:47,033 I could close the door, 840 00:38:47,033 --> 00:38:49,243 and there really wasn't          anything left over 841 00:38:49,243 --> 00:38:50,745 from the first album, 842 00:38:50,745 --> 00:38:52,580 the pressure of people        thinking, "Okay, well, 843 00:38:52,580 --> 00:38:54,957 let's see what she does,      because from what we hear, 844 00:38:54,957 --> 00:38:57,293 a whole set of guys           wrote the record 845 00:38:57,293 --> 00:38:58,627 and she was barely there." 846 00:38:58,627 --> 00:39:01,464 I'd stop reading any reviews,          anything like that. 847 00:39:01,464 --> 00:39:04,091 I had just quietened              everything. 848 00:39:04,091 --> 00:39:05,009 Change 849 00:39:05,009 --> 00:39:07,345 - A change          would do you good 850 00:39:07,345 --> 00:39:08,554 - Would do you good 851 00:39:08,554 --> 00:39:11,474 - A change          would do you good 852 00:39:11,474 --> 00:39:12,725 - I think a change 853 00:39:12,725 --> 00:39:14,810 - A change          would do you good 854 00:39:14,810 --> 00:39:16,020 - Would do you good 855 00:39:16,020 --> 00:39:19,648 - A change          would do you good 856 00:39:19,648 --> 00:39:23,486 -That record was magnificent,         everything about it. 857 00:39:23,486 --> 00:39:25,488 It then raised her to say, 858 00:39:25,488 --> 00:39:29,533 "You are a producer,        you are a record maker. 859 00:39:29,533 --> 00:39:31,369 You are a decision maker.           You're a writer. 860 00:39:31,369 --> 00:39:32,578 You're a player." 861 00:39:32,578 --> 00:39:33,871 I was just so happy for her 862 00:39:33,871 --> 00:39:35,956 'cause all I just kept      thinking is, "You did it." 863 00:39:35,956 --> 00:39:37,750 -Sheryl set out,           wrote the songs, 864 00:39:37,750 --> 00:39:41,462 produced the record,         created the next step 865 00:39:41,462 --> 00:39:45,299 of her musical vision        completely on her own. 866 00:39:45,299 --> 00:39:46,509 -  A change 867 00:39:46,509 --> 00:39:48,761 - A change          would do you good 868 00:39:48,761 --> 00:39:50,054 Would do you good 869 00:39:50,054 --> 00:39:52,348 - A change          would do you good 870 00:39:52,348 --> 00:39:53,641 -Sheryl! Sheryl!             - A change 871 00:39:53,641 --> 00:39:55,184 -Give us some play!       -Sheryl, turn your head. 872 00:39:55,184 --> 00:39:57,728 - Would do you good           - Do you good 873 00:39:57,728 --> 00:40:01,148 - A change          would do you good 874 00:40:02,691 --> 00:40:04,610 -You can point to            a lot of women 875 00:40:04,610 --> 00:40:06,612 who've had commercial success 876 00:40:06,612 --> 00:40:10,658 in the pop world      as a singer, as an artist. 877 00:40:10,658 --> 00:40:12,535 But, you know, there's not          a lot of producers, 878 00:40:12,535 --> 00:40:13,702 not a lot of engineers. 879 00:40:13,702 --> 00:40:14,912 I mean, if she was a man, 880 00:40:14,912 --> 00:40:16,831 people would talk        about her like Prince. 881 00:40:16,831 --> 00:40:17,957 I mean, Prince loved her. 882 00:40:17,957 --> 00:40:21,502 - Every day          is a winding road 883 00:40:21,502 --> 00:40:24,672 - Road, mm 884 00:40:24,672 --> 00:40:26,799 - I get a little bit closer 885 00:40:26,799 --> 00:40:28,342 - Ah, ah 886 00:40:28,342 --> 00:40:32,388 - Every day is a faded sign 887 00:40:32,388 --> 00:40:33,556 - Yeah 888 00:40:33,556 --> 00:40:35,391 Sheryl Crow, y'all. 889 00:40:35,391 --> 00:40:37,101 - I get a little... 890 00:40:37,768 --> 00:40:39,854 -Take five. 891 00:40:41,564 --> 00:40:44,900 -Hi, everybody in Kennett  and everywhere around Kennett, 892 00:40:44,900 --> 00:40:46,610 whoever's seeing this. 893 00:40:46,610 --> 00:40:47,945 Scout and I just want           to wish you guys 894 00:40:47,945 --> 00:40:50,739 a Happy Christmas,            Happy New Year. 895 00:40:50,739 --> 00:40:53,367 And we'll see you         around the holidays. 896 00:40:53,367 --> 00:40:54,452 -There are so many things 897 00:40:54,452 --> 00:40:56,162 that have happened to us             in our lives 898 00:40:56,162 --> 00:41:00,416 since Sheryl has become             so well-known 899 00:41:00,416 --> 00:41:02,376 that it's kind of hard              to separate 900 00:41:02,376 --> 00:41:03,669 the real and the unreal, 901 00:41:03,669 --> 00:41:05,796 and it's just flabbergasting. 902 00:41:05,796 --> 00:41:07,006 I mean, you're -- whew! 903 00:41:07,006 --> 00:41:08,507 -Hey, thanks for bringing           your mom and dad. 904 00:41:08,507 --> 00:41:09,758 I love meeting           people's parents. 905 00:41:09,758 --> 00:41:10,968 -My mom and dad are here!         -There's mom and dad. 906 00:41:10,968 --> 00:41:12,303 There they are, right there. 907 00:41:19,101 --> 00:41:21,645 -I taught piano lessons,          and I had students 908 00:41:21,645 --> 00:41:23,147 come into the house             all the time. 909 00:41:23,147 --> 00:41:26,734 -We had three pianos      and an organ in that house, 910 00:41:26,734 --> 00:41:29,528 and they would practice         and she'd be cooking, 911 00:41:29,528 --> 00:41:31,405 and she would scream out            to one of them, 912 00:41:31,405 --> 00:41:33,449 "That's not a B!           That's a B-flat!" 913 00:41:33,449 --> 00:41:35,159 or something of that nature. 914 00:41:39,663 --> 00:41:41,081 -I was always getting bested,               you know? 915 00:41:41,081 --> 00:41:44,668 "That's James Taylor.       That is not your lesson." 916 00:41:50,341 --> 00:41:51,675 They were into swing band. 917 00:41:51,675 --> 00:41:52,885 In fact,        they had a swing band. 918 00:41:52,885 --> 00:41:54,261 They would come home            on the weekends 919 00:41:54,261 --> 00:41:55,221 and bring their friends. 920 00:41:55,221 --> 00:41:59,517 -We had a book,       I believe, of 400 songs. 921 00:41:59,517 --> 00:42:01,644 -This is Sheryl. 922 00:42:01,644 --> 00:42:04,772 And this is Sheryl. 923 00:42:04,772 --> 00:42:05,898 Sheryl. 924 00:42:05,898 --> 00:42:07,775 Now, you can tell who's       getting the lion's share 925 00:42:07,775 --> 00:42:09,527 of the pictures right now. 926 00:42:09,527 --> 00:42:10,778 Here we go. 927 00:42:10,778 --> 00:42:13,447 Karen, Sheryl, and Kathy. 928 00:42:13,447 --> 00:42:17,243 And our youngest child               is Steve. 929 00:42:17,243 --> 00:42:20,746 -I remember all three of us     girls sleeping on the stairs 930 00:42:20,746 --> 00:42:22,873 so we could hear them             playing music 931 00:42:22,873 --> 00:42:24,792 and dancing       and smoking and drinking, 932 00:42:24,792 --> 00:42:27,336 and we just wanted to be,        you know, a part of it. 933 00:42:27,336 --> 00:42:29,004 -That must have had        a big influence on you, 934 00:42:29,004 --> 00:42:30,756 all those things that, like --          -Yeah, definitely. 935 00:42:30,756 --> 00:42:33,092 In fact, they started me on     piano about the age of five, 936 00:42:33,092 --> 00:42:35,010 and they were the kind of          parents that said, 937 00:42:35,010 --> 00:42:37,888 "Oh, play that little thing       for all of our friends." 938 00:42:37,888 --> 00:42:39,890 So that's how I wound up             where it am. 939 00:42:39,890 --> 00:42:41,809 -It worked.          It worked, you see. 940 00:42:45,062 --> 00:42:46,855 - Back on gold dust... 941 00:42:46,855 --> 00:42:49,024 -And so I dug more into music. 942 00:42:49,024 --> 00:42:50,109 - Take yourself... 943 00:42:50,109 --> 00:42:52,069 -I started getting             into records 944 00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:57,032 that started to give me      a vision of me as a person, 945 00:42:57,032 --> 00:42:59,368 and that was        the James Taylor stuff 946 00:42:59,368 --> 00:43:00,828 and the Carole King, 947 00:43:00,828 --> 00:43:03,831 Stevie Wonder          and Fleetwood Mac. 948 00:43:03,831 --> 00:43:05,249 I wanted to be in the room          with those people, 949 00:43:05,249 --> 00:43:07,209 and that was what         was interesting to me 950 00:43:07,209 --> 00:43:09,878 was why things would sound       the way they would sound. 951 00:43:09,878 --> 00:43:11,880 And it was then     that I started to feel like, 952 00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,090 okay, these are my people 953 00:43:13,090 --> 00:43:16,969 and I'm supposed to be            on that train. 954 00:43:19,888 --> 00:43:21,974 "Love is a Good Thing"        was a song that I wrote 955 00:43:21,974 --> 00:43:25,144 that was, you know,       taken from the headlines. 956 00:43:32,192 --> 00:43:35,613 -Now, Walmart says it won't        sell her newest album, 957 00:43:35,613 --> 00:43:38,198 and fans like Lane Benson            don't like it. 958 00:43:38,198 --> 00:43:39,992 -I really don't like it.              I don't -- 959 00:43:39,992 --> 00:43:41,910 I don't like Walmart        telling me what to do. 960 00:43:41,910 --> 00:43:44,163 -It is the nation's           largest retailer. 961 00:43:44,163 --> 00:43:46,206 One record industry executive               estimates 962 00:43:46,206 --> 00:43:50,252 Crow stands to lose    at least 400,000 album sales. 963 00:43:50,252 --> 00:43:52,921 -Well, they'll probably have       to go out of town for it. 964 00:43:52,921 --> 00:43:55,257 Mm-hmm.  -What do you think about that? 965 00:43:55,257 --> 00:43:56,967 -Well, I hate for            our people here 966 00:43:56,967 --> 00:43:58,093 to be inconvenienced that way, 967 00:43:58,093 --> 00:43:59,928 but I feel sure            they'll get it. 968 00:43:59,928 --> 00:44:02,848 -For somebody like me     who grew up in a small town, 969 00:44:02,848 --> 00:44:04,391 that's the only place         you can buy a record. 970 00:44:04,391 --> 00:44:07,353 And so to be given the choice,        "We will not carry it, 971 00:44:07,353 --> 00:44:10,731 or you can change it to Kmart        and we'll carry it" -- 972 00:44:10,731 --> 00:44:14,902 that, I think, actually fueled       my conviction even more. 973 00:44:14,902 --> 00:44:16,654 I was like,         "Well, wait a minute. 974 00:44:16,654 --> 00:44:17,821 You can't have it both ways." 975 00:44:17,821 --> 00:44:19,448 -We are not          telling Sheryl Crow 976 00:44:19,448 --> 00:44:20,616 she cannot sell the song 977 00:44:20,616 --> 00:44:22,284 and make it available              to others. 978 00:44:22,284 --> 00:44:24,662 We're just saying          that Walmart itself 979 00:44:24,662 --> 00:44:26,038 will not sell the product." 980 00:44:26,038 --> 00:44:27,790 -May have to come all the way      to Memphis to get that CD. 981 00:44:27,790 --> 00:44:29,750 -All they wanted to do        was just have some fun. 982 00:44:29,750 --> 00:44:31,669 -It was the first time          I ever experienced 983 00:44:31,669 --> 00:44:33,712 anything like that             and realized, 984 00:44:33,712 --> 00:44:35,881 Oh, there is importance               to music. 985 00:44:35,881 --> 00:44:38,676 There's importance        to speaking the truth. 986 00:44:38,676 --> 00:44:41,136 And some people are not           gonna like that. 987 00:44:41,136 --> 00:44:44,556 And that's something    you just have to get used to. 988 00:44:46,225 --> 00:44:47,976 -At any chance that we feel 989 00:44:47,976 --> 00:44:51,146 we can use our music             to give back, 990 00:44:51,146 --> 00:44:53,232 we are not only            happy to do it, 991 00:44:53,232 --> 00:44:55,734 we actually almost hunger               to do it 992 00:44:55,734 --> 00:44:58,153 so that you can feel            that your music 993 00:44:58,153 --> 00:45:00,906 is not just         for your own pleasure 994 00:45:00,906 --> 00:45:04,868 and hopefully that your words,              your songs, 995 00:45:04,868 --> 00:45:07,204 will also touch a chord              into people 996 00:45:07,204 --> 00:45:11,041 to increase their empathy          and their humanity. 997 00:45:11,041 --> 00:45:13,293 The Lilith Fair tour        was really eye-opening 998 00:45:13,293 --> 00:45:16,171 for so many of us women        out there making music 999 00:45:16,171 --> 00:45:19,133 'cause I think we'd been     out there in our tour busses 1000 00:45:19,133 --> 00:45:21,719 with our bands traveling           around, you know, 1001 00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,929 like, in space,            in outer space, 1002 00:45:23,929 --> 00:45:25,472 in our own         little rocket ships. 1003 00:45:25,472 --> 00:45:28,058 And all of a sudden we all       landed in this one place 1004 00:45:28,058 --> 00:45:29,309 and we came off our busses 1005 00:45:29,309 --> 00:45:32,146 and we were actually         finally able to meet, 1006 00:45:32,146 --> 00:45:37,151 and you realized that there      was a sisterhood out there. 1007 00:45:39,153 --> 00:45:42,156 -By 1996, there were quite          a few more females 1008 00:45:42,156 --> 00:45:43,741 that were getting           played at radio. 1009 00:45:43,741 --> 00:45:45,909 One of them was          Alanis Morissette, 1010 00:45:45,909 --> 00:45:48,454 Aimee Mann, and another was           Sarah McLachlan. 1011 00:45:48,454 --> 00:45:54,877 - I'd no longer be            in your mind 1012 00:45:54,877 --> 00:45:59,798 The difficult kind          but you won't see 1013 00:45:59,798 --> 00:46:02,176 -I remember vividly            Sarah McLachlan 1014 00:46:02,176 --> 00:46:03,469 calling me and saying, 1015 00:46:03,469 --> 00:46:06,054 "Have you ever tried to have        someone open up for you 1016 00:46:06,054 --> 00:46:07,431 that's a woman?       The promoters are saying 1017 00:46:07,431 --> 00:46:09,391 you can't have more       than one woman on a bill, 1018 00:46:09,391 --> 00:46:12,269 and I'm going          to disprove them." 1019 00:46:12,269 --> 00:46:14,938 -Now, some business types  said, "Oh, that'll never work. 1020 00:46:14,938 --> 00:46:18,192 Nobody will buy tickets  to all women all summer long." 1021 00:46:18,192 --> 00:46:20,277 Well, 20,000 people           showed up today, 1022 00:46:20,277 --> 00:46:24,490 and the Lilith Fair         will visit 35 cities. 1023 00:46:25,532 --> 00:46:28,452 -It was just women       who commercially do well. 1024 00:46:28,452 --> 00:46:31,455 We run our businesses.            We make money. 1025 00:46:31,455 --> 00:46:34,958 So why are you men deciding        what can and can't be? 1026 00:46:34,958 --> 00:46:39,046 But what you don't think about      is the kid that's out there 1027 00:46:39,046 --> 00:46:42,549 in the audience      looking at that and going, 1028 00:46:42,549 --> 00:46:43,675 "I can do that. 1029 00:46:43,675 --> 00:46:45,511 I can get up and play guitar 1030 00:46:45,511 --> 00:46:49,348 and have a band behind me           and be the boss." 1031 00:46:50,140 --> 00:46:51,975 -Tell you what. 1032 00:46:51,975 --> 00:46:55,229 I was out there all the way         up there on that hill 1033 00:46:55,229 --> 00:46:57,898 in Lilith Fair when I saw         Sheryl Crow play here 1034 00:46:57,898 --> 00:47:00,025 two nights in a row. 1035 00:47:00,025 --> 00:47:01,527 It honestly changed my life, 1036 00:47:01,527 --> 00:47:05,364 and I would not be the artist    that I am without Sheryl Crow 1037 00:47:05,364 --> 00:47:07,324 and the influence         that she's had on me. 1038 00:47:07,324 --> 00:47:09,159 And then to get to a place        where she's kind enough 1039 00:47:09,159 --> 00:47:10,911 to be my friend          and give me advice 1040 00:47:10,911 --> 00:47:12,913 and teach me things          and sing with me -- 1041 00:47:12,913 --> 00:47:14,915 I can't even get          my head around it. 1042 00:47:16,166 --> 00:47:20,879 -I just was astounded  that she was so rock and roll. 1043 00:47:20,879 --> 00:47:22,130 And you never questioned 1044 00:47:22,130 --> 00:47:24,216 whether or not         Sheryl was the boss, 1045 00:47:24,216 --> 00:47:26,176 and I was so drawn to that -- 1046 00:47:26,176 --> 00:47:30,138 you know, as a young woman,         so influenced by it. 1047 00:47:30,138 --> 00:47:32,599 Seeing her play the bass,     you know, I'll never forget, 1048 00:47:32,599 --> 00:47:34,393 like, picking up      that bass guitar and, like, 1049 00:47:34,393 --> 00:47:36,061 telling the guy         I was in a band with, 1050 00:47:36,061 --> 00:47:40,899 "Yeah, I played bass" -- 1051 00:47:41,984 --> 00:47:43,819 Because I had to learn        the "Leaving Las Vegas" 1052 00:47:43,819 --> 00:47:45,112 bass line, 1053 00:47:45,112 --> 00:47:46,446 and just thinking, like, 1054 00:47:46,446 --> 00:47:48,323 "Yeah, this is it,      this is what I want to do, 1055 00:47:48,323 --> 00:47:49,533 I want to front a band               like this 1056 00:47:49,533 --> 00:47:51,368 and I want to have          an electric guitar 1057 00:47:51,368 --> 00:47:53,912 and I want to play bass     and I want to be a rock star 1058 00:47:53,912 --> 00:47:56,415 like Sheryl Crow." 1059 00:47:56,415 --> 00:47:58,208 -I think we should          give it up to Sarah 1060 00:47:58,208 --> 00:48:00,544 for putting this         whole thing together. 1061 00:48:00,544 --> 00:48:04,423 Anywhere where people are  comfortable with who they are, 1062 00:48:04,423 --> 00:48:06,842 even on the Lilith Fair,          you could look out 1063 00:48:06,842 --> 00:48:08,468 and you would see          families out there, 1064 00:48:08,468 --> 00:48:11,513 and you would see girls            and their moms, 1065 00:48:11,513 --> 00:48:14,892 and you would see          a lot of lesbians. 1066 00:48:17,477 --> 00:48:20,772 -I like that about Sheryl               so much, 1067 00:48:20,772 --> 00:48:22,524 that she holds her space. 1068 00:48:22,524 --> 00:48:24,651 She's straight as an arrow,               but God, 1069 00:48:24,651 --> 00:48:25,527 the lesbians love Sheryl. 1070 00:48:25,527 --> 00:48:27,154 She's important           to queer people, 1071 00:48:27,154 --> 00:48:28,572 and when you're important           to queer people, 1072 00:48:28,572 --> 00:48:32,075 it means you're on the cutting         edge of the real shit 1073 00:48:32,075 --> 00:48:35,370 of what's really going on. 1074 00:48:35,370 --> 00:48:38,206 -After that tour, which had        been really successful 1075 00:48:38,206 --> 00:48:40,167 and really fun,          I came home to L.A. 1076 00:48:40,167 --> 00:48:42,586 and I was engaged       with a casting director, 1077 00:48:42,586 --> 00:48:47,090 somebody I met on  the "Leaving Las Vegas" video. 1078 00:48:47,090 --> 00:48:50,385 -This is the young man      that Sheryl was engaged to. 1079 00:48:50,385 --> 00:48:52,346 -That was back in, uh... 1080 00:48:52,346 --> 00:48:53,972 -That was in 1995. 1081 00:48:55,265 --> 00:48:58,185 Can you maybe turn that off? 1082 00:48:58,185 --> 00:49:00,270 -I was just starting              my career, 1083 00:49:00,270 --> 00:49:01,563 and it was starting             to take off, 1084 00:49:01,563 --> 00:49:05,400 and it's really difficult       for someone to sort of be 1085 00:49:05,400 --> 00:49:09,321 swept up in that and still       keep their sense of self. 1086 00:49:09,321 --> 00:49:11,323 We were just better         as friends; in fact, 1087 00:49:11,323 --> 00:49:13,700 by the time we got engaged,        I feel like we probably 1088 00:49:13,700 --> 00:49:15,035 were pulling apart. 1089 00:49:15,035 --> 00:49:16,662 I'd been gone for so long. 1090 00:49:16,662 --> 00:49:19,456 I did have a couple of songs      on the "Sheryl Crow" record 1091 00:49:19,456 --> 00:49:22,292 that were inspired          by our relationship 1092 00:49:22,292 --> 00:49:23,794 becoming more platonic. 1093 00:49:23,794 --> 00:49:28,840 I woke this morning,          now I understand 1094 00:49:28,840 --> 00:49:34,638 What it means to give      your life to just one man 1095 00:49:34,638 --> 00:49:39,559 Afraid of feeling nothing,       no bees or butterflies 1096 00:49:39,559 --> 00:49:45,482 My head is full of questions  and my house is full of lies 1097 00:49:45,482 --> 00:49:51,989 And this is home 1098 00:49:51,989 --> 00:49:56,702 Home 1099 00:49:56,702 --> 00:49:59,496 This is home 1100 00:49:59,496 --> 00:50:02,916 I think part of my pull            is always that 1101 00:50:02,916 --> 00:50:04,668 I really like the...               the hang, 1102 00:50:04,668 --> 00:50:07,129 I like the camaraderie            with the guys, 1103 00:50:07,129 --> 00:50:08,255 and part of me is like, 1104 00:50:08,255 --> 00:50:10,132 I don't want         to miss out on that. 1105 00:50:10,132 --> 00:50:12,259 So I decided I would just... 1106 00:50:12,259 --> 00:50:15,387 pick up and move to New York        and change my scenery. 1107 00:50:15,387 --> 00:50:19,224 And you can probably          see a pattern here. 1108 00:50:33,780 --> 00:50:38,952 Somebody said         you gotta get away 1109 00:50:42,622 --> 00:50:47,169 Don't wanna         go back home again 1110 00:50:48,545 --> 00:50:50,714 I set up a studio     in the Meatpacking District. 1111 00:50:50,714 --> 00:50:54,593 I mean, it was just    a very colorful neighborhood. 1112 00:50:54,593 --> 00:50:57,345 -It was warehouses             and butchers 1113 00:50:57,345 --> 00:50:59,264 and carcasses hanging. 1114 00:50:59,264 --> 00:51:01,391 You could smell the blood            on the streets. 1115 00:51:01,391 --> 00:51:04,227 -Jeff and I started          working with Trina 1116 00:51:04,227 --> 00:51:05,479 in a studio that we set up 1117 00:51:05,479 --> 00:51:08,273 in this building           called The Globe. 1118 00:51:08,273 --> 00:51:10,400 -She had bought          all this equipment. 1119 00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:12,569 It hadn't seasoned          into the room yet. 1120 00:51:12,569 --> 00:51:15,280 It takes a little while      for gear to get comfortable 1121 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:16,698 and bugs to get worked out, 1122 00:51:16,698 --> 00:51:20,702 yet we were going forward      and cutting a record there. 1123 00:51:33,340 --> 00:51:36,551 Antigone laid across              the road 1124 00:51:36,551 --> 00:51:39,387 -Now the celebrity             is locked in, 1125 00:51:39,387 --> 00:51:41,807 I mean, the celebrity machine,         not the human being, 1126 00:51:41,807 --> 00:51:44,684 so now she's really            got to deliver. 1127 00:51:44,684 --> 00:51:52,567 It's laughter that comes up         when I cry for you 1128 00:51:52,567 --> 00:52:00,408 And this heart may love       again before it learns 1129 00:52:00,408 --> 00:52:03,120 "Globe Sessions,"          of all the records, 1130 00:52:03,120 --> 00:52:04,579 was the most kind of pure, 1131 00:52:04,579 --> 00:52:06,873 I don't want to say, like,             barfing out, 1132 00:52:06,873 --> 00:52:10,001 but I mean, everything was       so close to the surface, 1133 00:52:10,001 --> 00:52:11,628 so immediate. 1134 00:52:11,628 --> 00:52:15,465 I've gotten used to           crash and burn 1135 00:52:18,677 --> 00:52:25,142 Yes, I've gotten used to         the crash and burn 1136 00:52:25,142 --> 00:52:26,643 A lot of that came out, 1137 00:52:26,643 --> 00:52:28,145 particularly          in "Difficult Kind" 1138 00:52:28,145 --> 00:52:29,563 and definitely in          "Crash and Burn" -- 1139 00:52:29,563 --> 00:52:31,356 I mean, both of those songs,           which I feel like 1140 00:52:31,356 --> 00:52:32,691 are kind of sister songs, 1141 00:52:32,691 --> 00:52:35,152 talk about somebody          who's not that easy 1142 00:52:35,152 --> 00:52:36,528 to have a relationship with, 1143 00:52:36,528 --> 00:52:40,657 who is highly sensitive         and highly emotional 1144 00:52:40,657 --> 00:52:42,534 and super tough and strong; 1145 00:52:42,534 --> 00:52:44,828 and the other aspect         of being with someone 1146 00:52:44,828 --> 00:52:50,792 who has the job that I have is  I'm just not around very much. 1147 00:52:53,712 --> 00:52:58,216 -There is a price to be paid     for being gone all the time. 1148 00:52:58,216 --> 00:53:00,510 Obviously, I felt like            it was worth it 1149 00:53:00,510 --> 00:53:03,513 because I'm still out here,            but, you know, 1150 00:53:03,513 --> 00:53:05,974 it is difficult        to stay away from home 1151 00:53:05,974 --> 00:53:07,350 so many times and so long. 1152 00:53:07,350 --> 00:53:09,186 -All I can say is I'm single 1153 00:53:09,186 --> 00:53:11,271 and I've been single             a long time, 1154 00:53:11,271 --> 00:53:14,608 and that has got to be,               you know, 1155 00:53:14,608 --> 00:53:17,777 the tour bus --  my relationship with the road, 1156 00:53:17,777 --> 00:53:19,237 you know,        it -- it is difficult, 1157 00:53:19,237 --> 00:53:20,739 it's a lot to ask for, 1158 00:53:20,739 --> 00:53:25,327 you know, to ask somebody        to stay home and wait. 1159 00:53:25,327 --> 00:53:26,870 -We were both at this, 1160 00:53:26,870 --> 00:53:29,581 like, massive transition             in our lives, 1161 00:53:29,581 --> 00:53:30,916 figuring out who we were, 1162 00:53:30,916 --> 00:53:33,543 what we wanted in life,          and Sheryl's like, 1163 00:53:33,543 --> 00:53:35,837 "Oh, well,       you should just move in!" 1164 00:53:35,837 --> 00:53:38,381 Like, "Why -- why are      we spending so little time 1165 00:53:38,381 --> 00:53:42,010 together by going to dinner         four nights a week?" 1166 00:53:42,010 --> 00:53:45,347 So I lived with Sheryl. 1167 00:53:45,347 --> 00:53:46,806 She might be the friend 1168 00:53:46,806 --> 00:53:51,269 that I've spent the most time          watching her work. 1169 00:53:51,269 --> 00:53:53,271 We went on the ride together. 1170 00:53:53,271 --> 00:53:56,233 - Ooh 1171 00:53:56,233 --> 00:53:57,901 -And the best rock album is... 1172 00:53:57,901 --> 00:54:01,238 "The Globe Sessions,"             Sheryl Crow. 1173 00:54:01,238 --> 00:54:03,990 - Ooh 1174 00:54:06,576 --> 00:54:10,413 Ooh 1175 00:54:10,413 --> 00:54:14,751 Did you know when you go       it's the perfect ending 1176 00:54:14,751 --> 00:54:19,673 To the bad day I've gotten          used to spending 1177 00:54:19,673 --> 00:54:21,800 When you go all I know is 1178 00:54:21,800 --> 00:54:26,263 You're my favorite mistake 1179 00:54:26,263 --> 00:54:30,267 You're my favorite               mistake 1180 00:54:32,769 --> 00:54:34,938 -A person is not a celebrity,         a person is a person, 1181 00:54:34,938 --> 00:54:40,402 celebrity' a machine that gets      hungry and it has to feed. 1182 00:54:40,402 --> 00:54:41,611 -Sorry, let me get             . 1183 00:54:41,611 --> 00:54:44,489 -Yes! Oh, wow. 1184 00:54:44,489 --> 00:54:47,325 -Yeah, you're going to get hit  up quite a bit on the way out. 1185 00:54:47,325 --> 00:54:49,119 -Here you go.           -Thanks so much. 1186 00:54:49,119 --> 00:54:50,203 -Who's this for? 1187 00:54:50,203 --> 00:54:51,871 -It's, uh, for Julie. 1188 00:54:51,871 --> 00:54:55,375 -I was born into            this industry, 1189 00:54:55,375 --> 00:54:59,087 and you would think        I'd seen so much of it. 1190 00:54:59,087 --> 00:55:02,757 But being an iconic rock star? 1191 00:55:02,757 --> 00:55:04,551 It's a whole other thing. 1192 00:55:09,389 --> 00:55:11,516 -Fame is not natural, 1193 00:55:11,516 --> 00:55:14,769 and it is also a very         energetic experience 1194 00:55:14,769 --> 00:55:20,150 where people are projecting         their energy at you. 1195 00:55:22,277 --> 00:55:23,778 -There's hero worship, 1196 00:55:23,778 --> 00:55:26,614 and there's, you know... 1197 00:55:26,614 --> 00:55:27,824 idolizing. 1198 00:55:27,824 --> 00:55:31,453 But, you know,        also projecting trauma 1199 00:55:31,453 --> 00:55:33,747 and all kinds of stuff. 1200 00:55:33,747 --> 00:55:36,082 -Her music is so powerful. 1201 00:55:36,082 --> 00:55:37,792 It just touches you. 1202 00:55:37,792 --> 00:55:40,253 It helped me get through a lot         of things in my life: 1203 00:55:40,253 --> 00:55:42,339 coming out,          getting off drugs. 1204 00:55:42,339 --> 00:55:45,592 You know, it's --         it's just incredible. 1205 00:55:45,592 --> 00:55:48,219 -Imagine every time      you step out of your house, 1206 00:55:48,219 --> 00:55:50,138 people stop to look               at you -- 1207 00:55:50,138 --> 00:55:51,514 every time. 1208 00:55:51,514 --> 00:55:54,684 And people smile at you    and they want to be with you, 1209 00:55:54,684 --> 00:55:56,686 and they tell you         how great you are -- 1210 00:55:56,686 --> 00:55:57,854 every time! 1211 00:55:57,854 --> 00:56:00,106 It does something to you,           messes with you! 1212 00:56:00,106 --> 00:56:02,692 -And then you're going       to have this thing where, 1213 00:56:02,692 --> 00:56:03,860 okay, you're in magazines, 1214 00:56:03,860 --> 00:56:05,487 and you're invited          to perform on that, 1215 00:56:05,487 --> 00:56:06,863 and you're nominated for that, 1216 00:56:06,863 --> 00:56:08,990 and then you're not          nominated anymore, 1217 00:56:08,990 --> 00:56:10,742 and then you're not             in magazines, 1218 00:56:10,742 --> 00:56:12,369 and you're not at that party. 1219 00:56:12,369 --> 00:56:13,787 And who am I? 1220 00:56:13,787 --> 00:56:17,665 And, well, what do I need      to do to get back to that? 1221 00:56:19,209 --> 00:56:24,089 -A lot of non-musical things        come along with success 1222 00:56:24,089 --> 00:56:27,759 that you didn't know       was part of the package. 1223 00:56:27,759 --> 00:56:32,514 And it knocks you off what you  were doing in the first place. 1224 00:56:32,514 --> 00:56:36,559 And it can take years       to navigate through that. 1225 00:56:36,559 --> 00:56:39,521 And some people       never get it figured out. 1226 00:56:39,521 --> 00:56:41,523 They crash and burn. 1227 00:56:48,655 --> 00:56:50,407 -It's not natural, 1228 00:56:50,407 --> 00:56:52,450 and it doesn't have            anything to do 1229 00:56:52,450 --> 00:56:54,077 with being good or being bad, 1230 00:56:54,077 --> 00:56:57,664 and it doesn't anything to do  with the quality of your work. 1231 00:56:57,664 --> 00:57:02,168 I-it's just a giant mind-fuck. 1232 00:57:02,168 --> 00:57:04,921 Steve McQueen 1233 00:57:04,921 --> 00:57:08,049 Underneath          your radar screen 1234 00:57:08,049 --> 00:57:12,762 You'll never catch me                today 1235 00:57:12,762 --> 00:57:14,264 No 1236 00:57:14,264 --> 00:57:17,058 But I think people come to    see you for a lot of reasons. 1237 00:57:17,058 --> 00:57:19,144 They want to feel         some kind of emotion. 1238 00:57:19,144 --> 00:57:21,229 They want to forget         about what's going on 1239 00:57:21,229 --> 00:57:22,605 in their immediate life 1240 00:57:22,605 --> 00:57:23,898 for just a couple of hours, 1241 00:57:23,898 --> 00:57:26,818 and there's a gift and a  responsibility in that for me. 1242 00:57:26,818 --> 00:57:29,612 -With Sheryl, there's always           two sides to it. 1243 00:57:29,612 --> 00:57:34,576 The struggle to make something        great and the pressure 1244 00:57:34,576 --> 00:57:35,910 and her own perfectionism 1245 00:57:35,910 --> 00:57:39,956 or strive for that thing    she wants is always in there. 1246 00:57:39,956 --> 00:57:41,458 -This is what I want to do. 1247 00:57:41,458 --> 00:57:42,834 Okay, this is what             I want to do. 1248 00:57:42,834 --> 00:57:45,295 I want to cancel           a week of shows. 1249 00:57:45,295 --> 00:57:46,754 Okay, you got to hear me out. 1250 00:57:46,754 --> 00:57:48,047 We're in a situation here 1251 00:57:48,047 --> 00:57:50,049 where I don't want to do          any more bad shows. 1252 00:57:50,049 --> 00:57:52,051 We need to get another       lighting system in here. 1253 00:57:52,051 --> 00:57:55,054 On stage the screen          is overpowering us. 1254 00:57:55,054 --> 00:57:57,098 I'm out front.         It looks ridiculous. 1255 00:57:57,098 --> 00:58:00,226 I don't want to do     any more half-assed touring. 1256 00:58:00,226 --> 00:58:01,186 I worked my ass off, 1257 00:58:01,186 --> 00:58:03,104 and the band is great       and I have a great crew. 1258 00:58:03,104 --> 00:58:05,940 The only thing holding us back          is the production. 1259 00:58:05,940 --> 00:58:07,817 And I want it to stop. 1260 00:58:07,817 --> 00:58:11,696 Crazy hollow frequency             . 1261 00:58:11,696 --> 00:58:14,532 I'm getting -- 1262 00:58:14,532 --> 00:58:15,909 -Music for Sheryl, 1263 00:58:15,909 --> 00:58:18,953 I'm not always sure         that she enjoyed it. 1264 00:58:18,953 --> 00:58:22,040 I think that she had, like,         a possession with it 1265 00:58:22,040 --> 00:58:24,125 that dominated           her entire life, 1266 00:58:24,125 --> 00:58:26,794 put the celebrity           on her shoulders, 1267 00:58:26,794 --> 00:58:29,422 and nearly crushed her. 1268 00:58:41,976 --> 00:58:45,730 -I-I -- I'm not -- I'm not         discounting the stuff 1269 00:58:45,730 --> 00:58:48,191 that made it all happen             and all that. 1270 00:58:48,191 --> 00:58:50,026 But you're killing            yourself here. 1271 00:58:50,026 --> 00:58:53,446 I -- you're right about why  it fucked you up and all that. 1272 00:58:58,701 --> 00:58:59,911 -But you work -- 1273 00:58:59,911 --> 00:59:02,705 -I know that. 1274 00:59:02,705 --> 00:59:05,333 But -- but draw the line,          is what I'm saying. 1275 00:59:05,333 --> 00:59:07,919 It was fucked up; the lights,        it fucked your head up 1276 00:59:07,919 --> 00:59:10,463 and all that,  but you were pretty brilliant. 1277 00:59:25,019 --> 00:59:28,064 Around the turn of the     century, Interscope Records, 1278 00:59:28,064 --> 00:59:30,817 which was run by Jimmy Iovine           and Tom Whalley, 1279 00:59:30,817 --> 00:59:32,527 took over A&M Records. 1280 00:59:32,527 --> 00:59:34,279 They absorbed them. 1281 00:59:34,279 --> 00:59:35,738 -At Interscope, 1282 00:59:35,738 --> 00:59:39,576 I was working with Dr. Dre,       Snoop Dogg; we had Tupac, 1283 00:59:39,576 --> 00:59:43,663 we had No Doubt;          also 4 Non Blondes, 1284 00:59:43,663 --> 00:59:45,540 Primus and Helmet. 1285 00:59:45,540 --> 00:59:46,791 -I suddenly went from 1286 00:59:46,791 --> 00:59:48,793 having a relationship          with a record label 1287 00:59:48,793 --> 00:59:51,504 to being one of          a bunch of artists, 1288 00:59:51,504 --> 00:59:52,672 and I have a new record. 1289 00:59:52,672 --> 00:59:54,215 -The trick is not just         having a hit record, 1290 00:59:54,215 --> 00:59:58,803 the trick is not having       a really credible record; 1291 00:59:58,803 --> 01:00:00,054 the trick is both. 1292 01:00:00,054 --> 01:00:02,765 -As I look back and I think         about making records 1293 01:00:02,765 --> 01:00:04,058 where you go in empty-handed 1294 01:00:04,058 --> 01:00:07,186 and you write         and record as you go, 1295 01:00:07,186 --> 01:00:09,689 it was really,           really successful 1296 01:00:09,689 --> 01:00:12,233 for the first, like,            three records, 1297 01:00:12,233 --> 01:00:15,320 and then the wear and tear        of coming off the road, 1298 01:00:15,320 --> 01:00:19,449 being tired, not really having      had many life experiences, 1299 01:00:19,449 --> 01:00:21,409 and then going into the studio        and just sitting there 1300 01:00:21,409 --> 01:00:23,911 and going, "Okay, what am I        going to write about?" 1301 01:00:23,911 --> 01:00:25,997 The boat ran aground. 1302 01:00:25,997 --> 01:00:29,125 And then it was just a source        of glaring frustration. 1303 01:00:29,125 --> 01:00:34,255 -One summer, we wrote 40           or 50 song ideas, 1304 01:00:34,255 --> 01:00:36,132 and she was just          having a really -- 1305 01:00:36,132 --> 01:00:37,884 a rough patch of, you know, 1306 01:00:37,884 --> 01:00:40,887 "Hey, I don't have anything           important to say, 1307 01:00:40,887 --> 01:00:42,430 I don't know what to say." 1308 01:00:42,430 --> 01:00:43,598 -Tonight you go where? 1309 01:00:43,598 --> 01:00:45,183 You open up         for a young new guy? 1310 01:00:45,183 --> 01:00:48,102 -I open up for a beginning       up-and-comer, Bob Dylan. 1311 01:00:48,102 --> 01:00:50,938 -Bob Dylan.          -Bob Dylan offered 1312 01:00:50,938 --> 01:00:53,191 his friendship, just said,       "You know, I think you're 1313 01:00:53,191 --> 01:00:54,817 going to be around           for a long time, 1314 01:00:54,817 --> 01:00:57,528 if you ever need anything,           give me a shout." 1315 01:00:57,528 --> 01:00:58,780 So I call him and I say, 1316 01:00:58,780 --> 01:01:03,993 "I'm really having trouble          finishing anything. 1317 01:01:03,993 --> 01:01:06,037 I-I can't seem       to finish a song, I mean, 1318 01:01:06,037 --> 01:01:08,122 I feel like I've been doing      this for like eight months 1319 01:01:08,122 --> 01:01:09,290 and not finishing anything," 1320 01:01:09,290 --> 01:01:11,000 and he's like,          "Ooh, that's bad." 1321 01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:13,127 And I'm thinking, Oh, gosh.           And then I said, 1322 01:01:13,127 --> 01:01:15,296 "Well, I heard that you had          had writer's block. 1323 01:01:15,296 --> 01:01:17,882 So I wanted to call you        and pick your brains." 1324 01:01:17,882 --> 01:01:21,511 "No, I never have,"       and I'm thinking, Oh, no! 1325 01:01:21,511 --> 01:01:23,012 -You have a certain instinct 1326 01:01:23,012 --> 01:01:24,889 and a certain amount              of training 1327 01:01:24,889 --> 01:01:27,183 and a certain type         of impact of the song 1328 01:01:27,183 --> 01:01:29,811 you're looking for;      you have to hope the person 1329 01:01:29,811 --> 01:01:31,396 you're standing next to              writes it. 1330 01:01:31,396 --> 01:01:33,606 -He came in and out,  which I really wasn't used to. 1331 01:01:33,606 --> 01:01:34,899 I wasn't used to            having anybody 1332 01:01:34,899 --> 01:01:36,025 coming in and out             of the studio 1333 01:01:36,025 --> 01:01:38,111 while I was producing             and working. 1334 01:01:38,111 --> 01:01:41,072 -I lived in a recording studio            my whole life, 1335 01:01:41,072 --> 01:01:42,949 so I can go down            to the studio, 1336 01:01:42,949 --> 01:01:44,283 and that was an advantage              that I had 1337 01:01:44,283 --> 01:01:47,370 because I understand       the language really well. 1338 01:01:47,370 --> 01:01:49,580 -He had suggestions,         some of which I used 1339 01:01:49,580 --> 01:01:51,332 and some of which I didn't. 1340 01:01:54,419 --> 01:01:57,338 -Sheryl I was in New York             and she said, 1341 01:01:57,338 --> 01:01:59,924 "Well, like, you know,     can you just jump on a plane 1342 01:01:59,924 --> 01:02:02,260 and come out here and let's     just -- let's just do this." 1343 01:02:02,260 --> 01:02:08,141 And I was playing around with         this idea of being... 1344 01:02:08,141 --> 01:02:10,184 uh, soaking wet 1345 01:02:10,184 --> 01:02:13,187 and wanting --        wanting sun, you know, 1346 01:02:13,187 --> 01:02:15,648 "hey, I'm going           to go to New York 1347 01:02:15,648 --> 01:02:16,899 and soak up some sun." 1348 01:02:16,899 --> 01:02:18,943 I thought, "'Soak up the sun'         sounds like a good." 1349 01:02:18,943 --> 01:02:23,614 - Wanna tell them that I 1350 01:02:23,614 --> 01:02:27,160 Got no one to blame 1351 01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,746 Every time I feel lame 1352 01:02:29,746 --> 01:02:34,041 I'm looking up 1353 01:02:34,041 --> 01:02:38,296 -So I had five hours      from Portland to New York. 1354 01:02:38,296 --> 01:02:41,174 I carried the chorus              in my head 1355 01:02:41,174 --> 01:02:44,010 for the duration --         for that five hours. 1356 01:02:44,010 --> 01:02:45,428 Go to Sheryl's house, 1357 01:02:45,428 --> 01:02:48,055 I said, "Well, I have an idea.  I don't know if it's really... 1358 01:02:48,055 --> 01:02:49,474 It might be too poppy               for you." 1359 01:02:49,474 --> 01:02:52,185 She's like, "Okay, well, yeah,           let's write it." 1360 01:02:52,185 --> 01:02:58,524 - I'm gonna soak up the sun 1361 01:02:58,524 --> 01:03:06,657 I'm gonna tell everyone            to lighten up 1362 01:03:06,657 --> 01:03:07,992 Jimmy would sit at the desk 1363 01:03:07,992 --> 01:03:11,245 and he'd keep his BlackBerry            under the desk 1364 01:03:11,245 --> 01:03:13,623 while he was listening,         and I just was like, 1365 01:03:13,623 --> 01:03:16,667 "Okay, you can't -- you can't          really get into it 1366 01:03:16,667 --> 01:03:19,170 when you're like,           "Mm, what's, uh, 1367 01:03:19,170 --> 01:03:21,005 what's going on with Dre,          and..." you know?! 1368 01:03:21,005 --> 01:03:23,800 So I sit at the door 1369 01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:26,010 and I texted him          from my BlackBerry, 1370 01:03:26,010 --> 01:03:29,180 and said, "Would you put        that damn thing down!" 1371 01:03:29,180 --> 01:03:32,600 And he -- he looked up          and he was like... 1372 01:03:32,600 --> 01:03:35,937 -I'm sure we had some       up-downs, some down days. 1373 01:03:35,937 --> 01:03:37,146 The bottom line is, 1374 01:03:37,146 --> 01:03:39,065 all you have left in the end            is the record, 1375 01:03:39,065 --> 01:03:40,316 and that's a great record. 1376 01:03:40,316 --> 01:03:46,280 - So I can rock on 1377 01:03:46,280 --> 01:03:48,950 -A record would be finished,         and we'd hand it in, 1378 01:03:48,950 --> 01:03:50,076 and Jimmy would say, 1379 01:03:50,076 --> 01:03:51,911 "It's great,         I need another one." 1380 01:03:51,911 --> 01:03:54,288 -I'm the kind of person            that just says, 1381 01:03:54,288 --> 01:03:57,959 "Let's keep going till      it's right and don't stop." 1382 01:03:57,959 --> 01:04:00,086 When I was making            "C'mon, C'mon," 1383 01:04:00,086 --> 01:04:03,881 I was having       real bouts of depression, 1384 01:04:03,881 --> 01:04:05,967 just real low lows,                and I.. 1385 01:04:05,967 --> 01:04:07,385 I didn't really know why. 1386 01:04:07,385 --> 01:04:09,136 -Are you going to stop         touring anytime soon 1387 01:04:09,136 --> 01:04:10,638 and just kind of relax? 1388 01:04:10,638 --> 01:04:11,889 -When I die.                 -No? 1389 01:04:38,165 --> 01:04:40,167 I... 1390 01:04:41,752 --> 01:04:43,796 Gonna soak up the sun -- 1391 01:04:49,135 --> 01:04:51,846 -I'm not getting weird,      I just want one autograph. 1392 01:04:52,972 --> 01:04:59,103 - I wanna soak up               the sun 1393 01:04:59,103 --> 01:05:03,357 Got my 45 on so I 1394 01:05:03,357 --> 01:05:07,862 I can rock on 1395 01:05:17,413 --> 01:05:20,249 -This record is filled           with big choruses 1396 01:05:20,249 --> 01:05:23,502 and hit-oriented rock songs         like "Steve McQueen," 1397 01:05:23,502 --> 01:05:25,463 and "You're an Original,"        and "Soak Up the Sun," 1398 01:05:25,463 --> 01:05:28,341 and there is        this little short piece 1399 01:05:28,341 --> 01:05:29,592 called "Weather Channel." 1400 01:05:29,592 --> 01:05:32,803 It's sort of a focal point         of the record for me. 1401 01:05:32,803 --> 01:05:35,181 -I remember my dad tellin' me        about Winston Churchill 1402 01:05:35,181 --> 01:05:36,641 and how he really suffered 1403 01:05:36,641 --> 01:05:39,435 from really bad          bouts of depression 1404 01:05:39,435 --> 01:05:42,229 and how he called it           "the black dog." 1405 01:05:42,229 --> 01:05:45,066 And this is the song     that I don't really remember 1406 01:05:45,066 --> 01:05:47,109 recording or...              or writing, 1407 01:05:47,109 --> 01:05:50,237 but the black dog         makes his appearance, 1408 01:05:50,237 --> 01:05:54,033 so I'm assuming    I was in a pretty dark state. 1409 01:06:03,167 --> 01:06:06,587 I had a gig in Boston          and got to Boston, 1410 01:06:06,587 --> 01:06:09,298 and I called my manager,      and I said, "I can't move, 1411 01:06:09,298 --> 01:06:11,592 I can't leave the room,            I just can't." 1412 01:06:11,592 --> 01:06:15,346 I just couldn't --      I couldn't find my way out. 1413 01:06:17,390 --> 01:06:20,309 Sunny mornin' 1414 01:06:20,309 --> 01:06:24,146 You can hear it 1415 01:06:24,146 --> 01:06:27,316 Sirens warning 1416 01:06:27,316 --> 01:06:31,112 There is weather on 1417 01:06:31,112 --> 01:06:35,324 Both sides 1418 01:06:35,324 --> 01:06:38,035 I hear it coming 1419 01:06:38,035 --> 01:06:39,453 I remember saying to Scooter, 1420 01:06:39,453 --> 01:06:43,040 "I feel like I need           to go somewhere, 1421 01:06:43,040 --> 01:06:45,376 but I can't face the press." 1422 01:06:45,376 --> 01:06:50,423 He said, "Stay where you are,        I'm coming to get you." 1423 01:06:50,423 --> 01:06:54,010 Just like before 1424 01:06:54,010 --> 01:06:57,179 There's a black dog that 1425 01:06:57,179 --> 01:07:00,433 Scratches my door 1426 01:07:00,433 --> 01:07:05,104 He's been growling my name 1427 01:07:05,104 --> 01:07:07,481 Sayin' 1428 01:07:07,481 --> 01:07:11,318 You better get to running 1429 01:07:13,362 --> 01:07:16,115 -She called me and said,          "I can't do this." 1430 01:07:16,115 --> 01:07:19,201 She was really depressed;         it was overwhelming. 1431 01:07:21,120 --> 01:07:24,123 I think the highs and lows          of being an artist 1432 01:07:24,123 --> 01:07:28,419 that's been riding         this level of success 1433 01:07:28,419 --> 01:07:32,423 for a while          can be very, um... 1434 01:07:32,423 --> 01:07:35,384 suffocating. 1435 01:07:35,384 --> 01:07:38,220 - Can you make it 1436 01:07:38,220 --> 01:07:41,515 Better for me? 1437 01:07:41,515 --> 01:07:47,188 Can you maybe see          the light of day? 1438 01:07:47,188 --> 01:07:51,734 'Cause I got no one 1439 01:07:51,734 --> 01:07:58,240 Who will bring me           a big umbrella 1440 01:07:58,240 --> 01:08:05,664 While I'm watching       The Weather Channel and 1441 01:08:05,664 --> 01:08:09,168 I'm waiting for the storm 1442 01:08:10,503 --> 01:08:13,089 I can remember talking        to Scooter on the phone 1443 01:08:13,089 --> 01:08:15,549 and saying,         "If I had the energy 1444 01:08:15,549 --> 01:08:18,803 to get up        and run across my loft 1445 01:08:18,803 --> 01:08:20,554 and throw myself out         the window, I would, 1446 01:08:20,554 --> 01:08:21,680 but I don't even -- 1447 01:08:21,680 --> 01:08:23,557 I don't know     that I even care that much." 1448 01:08:23,557 --> 01:08:27,019 You know, stuff that      didn't feel characteristic 1449 01:08:27,019 --> 01:08:28,604 of my outlook on life. 1450 01:08:28,604 --> 01:08:32,024 That was when it got          kind of worrisome. 1451 01:08:32,024 --> 01:08:35,194 But I don't feel so human 1452 01:08:35,194 --> 01:08:37,029 -Levon Helm used to say, 1453 01:08:37,029 --> 01:08:39,281 "Girl, I'll guard            your gun side." 1454 01:08:39,281 --> 01:08:42,076 That's what I have            in my manager. 1455 01:08:42,076 --> 01:08:45,412 He completely guarded             my gun side. 1456 01:08:45,412 --> 01:08:48,290 However he did it,    I could walk into Mount Sinai 1457 01:08:48,290 --> 01:08:50,793 with an appointment             with someone 1458 01:08:50,793 --> 01:08:54,255 and get it together           over a period of, 1459 01:08:54,255 --> 01:08:56,590 you know, quite a few months. 1460 01:08:56,590 --> 01:08:59,218 -The handful of times    I've gotten those phone calls 1461 01:08:59,218 --> 01:09:01,095 when she's having             a rough time, 1462 01:09:01,095 --> 01:09:03,264 it caused a lot           of anxiety in me. 1463 01:09:03,264 --> 01:09:07,393 But I know my position here       is to help her through it 1464 01:09:07,393 --> 01:09:09,603 and to be kind of             foundational. 1465 01:09:09,603 --> 01:09:12,815 It's more than just      a business with her and I, 1466 01:09:12,815 --> 01:09:15,776 way more, so I try        to make her understand 1467 01:09:15,776 --> 01:09:21,031 she's heard and safe           and it will pass. 1468 01:09:21,031 --> 01:09:24,702 - You won't want me 1469 01:09:24,702 --> 01:09:30,916 Standing around          the birthday pony 1470 01:09:32,626 --> 01:09:36,714 Even though          it's just a game 1471 01:09:36,714 --> 01:09:39,884 You know we are the same 1472 01:09:39,884 --> 01:09:45,055 But you're          the better faker 1473 01:09:47,099 --> 01:09:51,103 Just a little happy song               about... 1474 01:09:51,103 --> 01:09:52,479 suicidal tendencies. 1475 01:09:58,944 --> 01:09:59,862 -I first heard the song, 1476 01:09:59,862 --> 01:10:01,822 "Are you strong enough            to be my man," 1477 01:10:01,822 --> 01:10:04,366 I didn't hear it on the radio,         I saw it on a video. 1478 01:10:04,366 --> 01:10:06,368 Sheryl came on        and she sings this song 1479 01:10:06,368 --> 01:10:08,829 and I thought,     for women like Sheryl and I, 1480 01:10:08,829 --> 01:10:11,665 who have this extreme            kind of career, 1481 01:10:11,665 --> 01:10:14,585 every time we meet            a new nice man, 1482 01:10:14,585 --> 01:10:16,795 it crosses our mind:         Are you strong enough 1483 01:10:16,795 --> 01:10:22,468 to possibly deal with our      incredibly odd life, right? 1484 01:10:22,468 --> 01:10:23,427 -So true. 1485 01:10:23,427 --> 01:10:24,637 -And so       from that moment onward, 1486 01:10:24,637 --> 01:10:25,971 I thought, you know,         this is a great song 1487 01:10:25,971 --> 01:10:30,601 for any women that have,        like, extreme careers. 1488 01:10:30,601 --> 01:10:33,020 -Yeah -- and I couldn't have           said that better. 1489 01:10:39,235 --> 01:10:43,906 God, I feel          like hell tonight 1490 01:10:43,906 --> 01:10:48,452 Tears of rage            I cannot lie 1491 01:10:48,452 --> 01:10:52,665 Be the last to help you             understand 1492 01:10:52,665 --> 01:10:58,170 Are you strong enough            to be my man? 1493 01:10:58,170 --> 01:11:00,589 My man 1494 01:11:07,805 --> 01:11:11,475 I was in the middle of           being on the road 1495 01:11:11,475 --> 01:11:14,478 and making records       and decided that this was 1496 01:11:14,478 --> 01:11:18,315 a relationship I really wanted          to give my time to. 1497 01:11:18,315 --> 01:11:19,942 And the first year           it was fantastic 1498 01:11:19,942 --> 01:11:22,278 and I was ready            to get married. 1499 01:11:22,278 --> 01:11:24,530 I was ready to have a life! 1500 01:11:24,530 --> 01:11:26,407 It does get complicated,                though, 1501 01:11:26,407 --> 01:11:29,118 when you have           to dim your light 1502 01:11:29,118 --> 01:11:30,786 to be in somebody else's life. 1503 01:11:30,786 --> 01:11:35,374 Nothing's true         and nothing's right 1504 01:11:35,374 --> 01:11:40,045 So let me be alone tonight 1505 01:11:40,045 --> 01:11:43,882 -You know, you have       a super sensitive artist 1506 01:11:43,882 --> 01:11:48,762 and a super alpha           powerful athlete. 1507 01:11:48,762 --> 01:11:54,101 Lance's view is, "I'm going         to win at all costs," 1508 01:11:54,101 --> 01:11:55,144 which he did. 1509 01:11:55,144 --> 01:11:56,353 And Sheryl's 1510 01:11:56,353 --> 01:11:59,231 not like that           in the same way. 1511 01:11:59,231 --> 01:12:02,234 -To put everything           in my life aside 1512 01:12:02,234 --> 01:12:03,319 in order to nurture that, 1513 01:12:03,319 --> 01:12:05,487 it wasn't a healthy           situation for me. 1514 01:12:05,487 --> 01:12:07,698 And then there was         what all was going on 1515 01:12:07,698 --> 01:12:09,366 in his racing life, 1516 01:12:09,366 --> 01:12:10,617 and that was hard for me. 1517 01:12:10,617 --> 01:12:12,453 It was hard         for everyone around. 1518 01:12:12,453 --> 01:12:14,455 -French investigators           are still looking 1519 01:12:14,455 --> 01:12:16,040 at the team's blood samples. 1520 01:12:16,040 --> 01:12:18,334 -A guy who comes back            from arguably, 1521 01:12:18,334 --> 01:12:19,668 you know, a death sentence. 1522 01:12:19,668 --> 01:12:22,338 Why would I then enter into      a sport and dope myself up 1523 01:12:22,338 --> 01:12:23,797 and risk my life again?             That's crazy! 1524 01:12:23,797 --> 01:12:26,342 I would never do that!             That's -- no. 1525 01:12:26,342 --> 01:12:27,760 No way. 1526 01:12:27,760 --> 01:12:30,846 - Lie to me 1527 01:12:30,846 --> 01:12:35,642 I promise I'll believe 1528 01:12:35,642 --> 01:12:38,812 The urine samples         were all coming out. 1529 01:12:38,812 --> 01:12:39,855 It was a nightmare, 1530 01:12:39,855 --> 01:12:42,274 and I think       we'd had a giant blow up 1531 01:12:42,274 --> 01:12:43,567 and then       within a couple of days, 1532 01:12:43,567 --> 01:12:47,404 this five- or six-carat          diamond showed up. 1533 01:12:47,404 --> 01:12:50,449 And you know, sadly,         that's what I wanted, 1534 01:12:50,449 --> 01:12:52,159 but I didn't want it              like that. 1535 01:12:52,159 --> 01:12:55,371 You know, I didn't --      I didn't want it like that. 1536 01:12:59,666 --> 01:13:02,169 We split up and then,         "Oh, for God's sakes, 1537 01:13:02,169 --> 01:13:05,130 have a mammogram scheduled,       last thing I want to do," 1538 01:13:05,130 --> 01:13:06,465 but I go and do it, 1539 01:13:06,465 --> 01:13:09,885 and they find      some suspect calcifications 1540 01:13:09,885 --> 01:13:11,762 and say,       "Come back in six months 1541 01:13:11,762 --> 01:13:13,389 and we'll look at it again." 1542 01:13:13,389 --> 01:13:16,642 And my gynecologist called               and said, 1543 01:13:16,642 --> 01:13:19,686 "You may as well find out             what this is 1544 01:13:19,686 --> 01:13:21,814 because waiting six months        could be the difference 1545 01:13:21,814 --> 01:13:23,732 in Stage I or Stage II." 1546 01:13:23,732 --> 01:13:26,402 And I went in       and had a needle biopsy, 1547 01:13:26,402 --> 01:13:27,778 was not really         thinking about it -- 1548 01:13:27,778 --> 01:13:31,407 I was thinking about        a lot of other things. 1549 01:13:31,407 --> 01:13:32,574 -Well, it was the worst thing 1550 01:13:32,574 --> 01:13:34,660 that's ever happened            in our family. 1551 01:13:34,660 --> 01:13:36,829 Now you talk about something             that was just 1552 01:13:36,829 --> 01:13:38,831 incredible, unreal. 1553 01:13:40,165 --> 01:13:43,585 That was it -- a phone call      around dinnertime at night, 1554 01:13:43,585 --> 01:13:46,588 that she's been        diagnosed with cancer. 1555 01:13:46,588 --> 01:13:49,341 And you don't have            any idea of... 1556 01:13:49,341 --> 01:13:51,218 what the outcome is, 1557 01:13:51,218 --> 01:13:52,928 what the degree of it is. 1558 01:13:52,928 --> 01:13:55,681 You have this horrible feeling         everything's going to 1559 01:13:55,681 --> 01:13:58,100 come crashing down. 1560 01:14:00,978 --> 01:14:02,938 -When I was diagnosed          with breast cancer, 1561 01:14:02,938 --> 01:14:05,649 there was just stuff swirling  around everywhere in the news, 1562 01:14:05,649 --> 01:14:08,819 and the press, and having       been a "likable" artist, 1563 01:14:08,819 --> 01:14:10,946 people were rooting for me      and then there were also -- 1564 01:14:10,946 --> 01:14:12,823 there was a lot of fear      being projected at me like, 1565 01:14:12,823 --> 01:14:14,700 "Oh, my God, if it can happen     to her and she's so healthy, 1566 01:14:14,700 --> 01:14:16,952 it could happen to me,"          and people praying, 1567 01:14:16,952 --> 01:14:18,912 and then people       that didn't like me like, 1568 01:14:18,912 --> 01:14:21,707 "Well, that's what she gets,"       and even my relationship 1569 01:14:21,707 --> 01:14:24,626 with what I felt like        was humanity at large, 1570 01:14:24,626 --> 01:14:28,338 the craving to see pictures         of me at my worst -- 1571 01:14:28,338 --> 01:14:29,965 I was pissed. 1572 01:14:29,965 --> 01:14:32,926 I mean, I get --        I feel how pissed I was 1573 01:14:32,926 --> 01:14:34,720 when I even talk about it. 1574 01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:37,890 I just was like,             "What the eff 1575 01:14:37,890 --> 01:14:39,183 just happened to my life?" 1576 01:14:39,183 --> 01:14:41,852 And I felt like         I didn't deserve it. 1577 01:14:41,852 --> 01:14:45,814 -You know, we were so involved       in it together with her. 1578 01:14:45,814 --> 01:14:49,526 It just looked like         the end of something. 1579 01:14:49,526 --> 01:14:51,820 -I went with her parents              and sister 1580 01:14:51,820 --> 01:14:56,575 to a couple of the first     meetings with the oncologist 1581 01:14:56,575 --> 01:14:57,826 and the whole team. 1582 01:14:57,826 --> 01:14:59,786 And then I had to go do      the business part of it -- 1583 01:14:59,786 --> 01:15:02,915 cancel the tours and take      everything off the calendar 1584 01:15:02,915 --> 01:15:06,919 and just start to pray             and support. 1585 01:15:06,919 --> 01:15:08,754 -When you are diagnosed, 1586 01:15:08,754 --> 01:15:11,215 all your dreams        and everything is over. 1587 01:15:11,215 --> 01:15:12,758 It's the end. 1588 01:15:12,758 --> 01:15:14,760 That's what you're faced with. 1589 01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:18,931 My wife was diagnosed          with breast cancer. 1590 01:15:18,931 --> 01:15:21,934 It's beyond traumatic. 1591 01:15:21,934 --> 01:15:26,230 It's such        a terrifying situation. 1592 01:15:26,230 --> 01:15:30,108 -It sort of dictates that         everybody figure out 1593 01:15:30,108 --> 01:15:31,568 where they are           with that person, 1594 01:15:31,568 --> 01:15:34,613 like how do I help you,          how do I fix this? 1595 01:15:34,613 --> 01:15:36,448 And it's just not fixable. 1596 01:15:36,448 --> 01:15:40,869 -I always       didn't look over there -- 1597 01:15:40,869 --> 01:15:44,540 at cancer -- because... 1598 01:15:44,540 --> 01:15:48,502 it was too much of a big,            scary monster. 1599 01:15:48,502 --> 01:15:49,962 But what Sheryl taught my wife 1600 01:15:49,962 --> 01:15:54,591 was that you have           to get educated. 1601 01:15:54,591 --> 01:15:58,011 You have to learn about it. 1602 01:15:58,011 --> 01:15:59,972 And then you can deal with it. 1603 01:15:59,972 --> 01:16:02,683 -I appreciate the opportunity      to testify before you today 1604 01:16:02,683 --> 01:16:04,643 on the Breast Cancer      Environmental Research Act. 1605 01:16:04,643 --> 01:16:07,187 As a breast cancer survivor             and advocate, 1606 01:16:07,187 --> 01:16:08,730 I am very passionate             about getting 1607 01:16:08,730 --> 01:16:10,566 this bill enacted this year. 1608 01:16:10,566 --> 01:16:15,112 -Sheryl gave my wife           so much guidance. 1609 01:16:16,530 --> 01:16:18,031 Up here. 1610 01:16:18,031 --> 01:16:19,950 Sheryl is a survivor. 1611 01:16:19,950 --> 01:16:21,952 -I have no idea       why I got breast cancer, 1612 01:16:21,952 --> 01:16:24,329 but what I do know       is we need more resources 1613 01:16:24,329 --> 01:16:26,498 into figuring out      what the environment has to 1614 01:16:26,498 --> 01:16:27,624 do with breast cancer. 1615 01:16:27,624 --> 01:16:30,002 -The first thing she did 1616 01:16:30,002 --> 01:16:33,964 was let a group of us in, 1617 01:16:33,964 --> 01:16:37,509 in a really deep           and intimate way. 1618 01:16:37,509 --> 01:16:38,885 I've had very few friends 1619 01:16:38,885 --> 01:16:42,306 who've let me in       when they needed me most. 1620 01:16:42,306 --> 01:16:43,307 She really did. 1621 01:16:43,307 --> 01:16:46,810 She gave me     the opportunity to love her. 1622 01:16:46,810 --> 01:16:51,273 -I had this incredible tribe          of women around me 1623 01:16:51,273 --> 01:16:53,609 that swept in 1624 01:16:53,609 --> 01:16:56,737 and carried me          on their shoulders. 1625 01:16:56,737 --> 01:16:58,113 And when I was done, 1626 01:16:58,113 --> 01:17:01,658 they were there       to get me back on my feet 1627 01:17:01,658 --> 01:17:04,870 and to get me back        to who I wanted to be. 1628 01:17:04,870 --> 01:17:07,623 And I think women do that. 1629 01:17:09,416 --> 01:17:14,504 What do I do with      this sweet love of mine? 1630 01:17:14,504 --> 01:17:17,132 Do I give it away 1631 01:17:17,132 --> 01:17:20,010 And hope some day              I'll find 1632 01:17:20,010 --> 01:17:22,554 Someone half as awake 1633 01:17:22,554 --> 01:17:29,227 As the moon and the stars 1634 01:17:29,227 --> 01:17:33,231 Mother, teach me to love 1635 01:17:33,231 --> 01:17:38,862 With a paper-thin heart 1636 01:17:38,862 --> 01:17:40,989 When I came out of radiation, 1637 01:17:40,989 --> 01:17:43,283 I was sitting with my mom      and I was saying, you know, 1638 01:17:43,283 --> 01:17:47,079 there -- there are things        that I really had hoped 1639 01:17:47,079 --> 01:17:48,955 in my life I would have, 1640 01:17:48,955 --> 01:17:50,666 and I wanted to be a mom. 1641 01:17:50,666 --> 01:17:53,669 I wanted to be a mom           like my mom was. 1642 01:17:53,669 --> 01:17:56,046 -She was lamenting about           her life going on 1643 01:17:56,046 --> 01:17:59,633 and not ever having a family     and not having any children, 1644 01:17:59,633 --> 01:18:02,177 and that was one of           the worst things 1645 01:18:02,177 --> 01:18:03,887 about the predicament              she was in. 1646 01:18:03,887 --> 01:18:05,514 -I had this story in my head     about what that looked like, 1647 01:18:05,514 --> 01:18:08,725 you know, that looked like,  you fall in love with someone, 1648 01:18:08,725 --> 01:18:10,894 you get married,      you know, you buy a house, 1649 01:18:10,894 --> 01:18:12,771 you save your money,          you have children, 1650 01:18:12,771 --> 01:18:15,357 blah-blah-blah --     like what I was raised with. 1651 01:18:15,357 --> 01:18:18,860 -She was miserably unhappy,  she's been treated for cancer, 1652 01:18:18,860 --> 01:18:21,321 and now she faces that she'll       never have any children. 1653 01:18:21,321 --> 01:18:23,740 And my instinct           immediately was, 1654 01:18:23,740 --> 01:18:25,742 that's not necessarily true. 1655 01:18:25,742 --> 01:18:30,038 I mean, you can adopt          beautiful children. 1656 01:18:30,038 --> 01:18:31,790 You can have your own family. 1657 01:18:31,790 --> 01:18:34,418 -My mom said, "You could get            a sperm donor." 1658 01:18:34,418 --> 01:18:35,752 I'm like, "What?!" 1659 01:18:35,752 --> 01:18:37,879 -She thought at first           I'd lost my mind. 1660 01:18:37,879 --> 01:18:40,966 You know, "You're trying         to tell me to go out 1661 01:18:40,966 --> 01:18:44,469 and find some children?" 1662 01:18:44,469 --> 01:18:45,470 Well, yes. 1663 01:18:45,470 --> 01:18:47,097 -I remember having  a conversation with my brother 1664 01:18:47,097 --> 01:18:48,974 when I was adopting my boys,                I said, 1665 01:18:48,974 --> 01:18:50,767 "You know, it's so interesting            because you -- 1666 01:18:50,767 --> 01:18:52,436 when you adopt,         you really don't know 1667 01:18:52,436 --> 01:18:54,896 exactly what you're getting,"             and he said, 1668 01:18:54,896 --> 01:18:57,023 "You know, when you have      your own kids biologically, 1669 01:18:57,023 --> 01:19:00,235 you really don't know exactly    what you're getting, either." 1670 01:19:00,235 --> 01:19:01,987 And that --        that made sense to me, 1671 01:19:01,987 --> 01:19:04,030 that resonated with me,         because I feel like, 1672 01:19:04,030 --> 01:19:06,074 no matter if you have them             biologically 1673 01:19:06,074 --> 01:19:09,828 or if you adopt them,    you don't get the wrong kids. 1674 01:19:51,411 --> 01:19:54,581 -Hey, Mom, love you.             There's Levi. 1675 01:19:54,581 --> 01:19:55,957 -Hi!              -Here's me. 1676 01:19:55,957 --> 01:19:57,125 -We love you! 1677 01:20:12,307 --> 01:20:14,643 -No! 1678 01:21:06,236 --> 01:21:09,197 -I think Sheryl wanted           to raise her kids 1679 01:21:09,197 --> 01:21:11,157 in an environment          that was more akin 1680 01:21:11,157 --> 01:21:13,785 to where she grew up,        but still she could be 1681 01:21:13,785 --> 01:21:17,038 in the mix of the music world. 1682 01:21:17,038 --> 01:21:21,459 - If I can't be            someone else 1683 01:21:21,459 --> 01:21:25,297 If I can't be someone else 1684 01:21:25,297 --> 01:21:30,260 Oh, if I can't be            someone else 1685 01:21:30,260 --> 01:21:34,890 I might as well be           myself, myself 1686 01:21:34,890 --> 01:21:37,434 Ooh 1687 01:21:37,434 --> 01:21:39,311 We built a barn where        the horses could live, 1688 01:21:39,311 --> 01:21:43,648 and I thought, I'm just going  to put a writing room up here, 1689 01:21:43,648 --> 01:21:45,400 so it needs to be      a little bit sound-proofed, 1690 01:21:45,400 --> 01:21:47,319 I moved all my vintage gear               up here, 1691 01:21:47,319 --> 01:21:51,114 hung up my guitars,     and I can come to work here. 1692 01:21:54,910 --> 01:21:57,245 -It's really pretty amazing,               actually. 1693 01:21:57,245 --> 01:22:00,081 The studio itself           is over a stable 1694 01:22:00,081 --> 01:22:02,709 with these fantastic horses, 1695 01:22:02,709 --> 01:22:05,295 and you would think that      the horses would be spooked 1696 01:22:05,295 --> 01:22:07,339 by sound,          but they're not -- 1697 01:22:07,339 --> 01:22:09,799 they're just grooving. 1698 01:22:18,683 --> 01:22:20,769 -I love vintage amps,          got to be vintage, 1699 01:22:20,769 --> 01:22:25,774 got to be a vintage box    or vintage tweed; old snares. 1700 01:22:25,774 --> 01:22:27,233 Got to have a Black Beauty. 1701 01:22:27,233 --> 01:22:29,986 And then of course,      I have to have a certain... 1702 01:22:29,986 --> 01:22:31,988 amount of just junk. 1703 01:22:31,988 --> 01:22:33,949 -Sheryl is a gear freak, 1704 01:22:33,949 --> 01:22:36,117 so you're going to work              every day, 1705 01:22:36,117 --> 01:22:37,619 you're going,          "I want that sound, 1706 01:22:37,619 --> 01:22:39,329 looking for          that guitar sound," 1707 01:22:39,329 --> 01:22:42,374 "Oh, that guitar right there,"      pull it off the wall, boom, 1708 01:22:42,374 --> 01:22:44,751 it's all set up           and ready to go. 1709 01:22:44,751 --> 01:22:45,877 So if you have an idea, 1710 01:22:45,877 --> 01:22:48,254 you can jump right on it               and play. 1711 01:22:48,254 --> 01:22:50,256 -I called Steve Jordan               and said, 1712 01:22:50,256 --> 01:22:51,383 Will you make this record? 1713 01:22:51,383 --> 01:22:53,093 I don't know what it is, 1714 01:22:53,093 --> 01:22:55,470 but I know I want to bring         Kris Kristofferson in 1715 01:22:55,470 --> 01:22:57,430 and I want to record           with other people 1716 01:22:57,430 --> 01:23:01,267 that I've shared music with      and I've shared life with. 1717 01:23:01,267 --> 01:23:03,687 And so that's what we did. 1718 01:23:05,105 --> 01:23:09,234 -"Threads" is the definition       of what all those people 1719 01:23:09,234 --> 01:23:12,278 mean to her musically. 1720 01:23:12,278 --> 01:23:15,323 -I always felt like I was       sort of born out of time. 1721 01:23:15,323 --> 01:23:17,450 All the artists that I had      loved, I missed that boat. 1722 01:23:17,450 --> 01:23:19,953 I didn't get to be around       with them when they were, 1723 01:23:19,953 --> 01:23:21,121 you know, really happening 1724 01:23:21,121 --> 01:23:22,372 and when they were all             hanging out. 1725 01:23:22,372 --> 01:23:23,790 And that made such an impact 1726 01:23:23,790 --> 01:23:24,958 on this girl from Missouri 1727 01:23:24,958 --> 01:23:26,584 who had these dreams            of hanging out 1728 01:23:26,584 --> 01:23:28,503 with Stevie Nicks           and James Taylor 1729 01:23:28,503 --> 01:23:30,296 and, I mean,     all these incredible artists 1730 01:23:30,296 --> 01:23:33,842 that have inspired me           to write stories. 1731 01:23:33,842 --> 01:23:36,344 Endless, endless connections. 1732 01:23:36,344 --> 01:23:43,435 Who put the blame on me 1733 01:23:43,435 --> 01:23:48,857 You oughta pass you see 1734 01:23:48,857 --> 01:23:52,318 -What I do love about Sheryl         is her love of music, 1735 01:23:52,318 --> 01:23:54,821 and I always feel happy       around Sheryl, you know? 1736 01:23:54,821 --> 01:23:58,199 -She had that producer        knowledge of the studio 1737 01:23:58,199 --> 01:24:02,120 and we recorded all the ideas       and sorted through those 1738 01:24:02,120 --> 01:24:04,456 and then we cut a track. 1739 01:24:04,456 --> 01:24:06,416 -Sheryl's been able to do           all those things 1740 01:24:06,416 --> 01:24:09,419 because she's that gifted           and that talented 1741 01:24:09,419 --> 01:24:10,670 and that hard-working, 1742 01:24:10,670 --> 01:24:14,466 and also because she's      a cool person to be around. 1743 01:24:14,466 --> 01:24:17,427 She's a big influence          on me in that way. 1744 01:24:22,348 --> 01:24:24,017 -There's a weird thing             that happens 1745 01:24:24,017 --> 01:24:26,061 when you become           a legacy artist, 1746 01:24:26,061 --> 01:24:28,521 it's sort of        a sideways compliment. 1747 01:24:28,521 --> 01:24:32,233 It's like, okay, you have        stood the test of time, 1748 01:24:32,233 --> 01:24:35,653 but also you're old and      you just haven't gone away. 1749 01:24:35,653 --> 01:24:37,280 You know what I mean?        It's like, I don't know 1750 01:24:37,280 --> 01:24:40,075 how to hold the legacy thing. 1751 01:24:40,075 --> 01:24:42,327 -You think there's a secret? 1752 01:24:42,327 --> 01:24:46,331 No, there is no hidden... 1753 01:24:46,331 --> 01:24:50,210 potion or formula. 1754 01:24:50,210 --> 01:24:51,503 You just get stuck here 1755 01:24:51,503 --> 01:24:54,297 and you're still doing it        and you still love it. 1756 01:24:54,297 --> 01:24:57,550 And in a way you're filled            with amazement 1757 01:24:57,550 --> 01:24:59,469 that you are still here               doing it. 1758 01:24:59,469 --> 01:25:02,055 But there ain't no secrets           sticking around. 1759 01:25:02,055 --> 01:25:03,306 Just luck of the draw. 1760 01:25:03,306 --> 01:25:05,600 -When we got asked to do         Bonnaroo, I was like, 1761 01:25:05,600 --> 01:25:11,231 "That is going to be amazing         or absolutely awful." 1762 01:25:11,231 --> 01:25:13,399 I think we played at like four       or five in the afternoon 1763 01:25:13,399 --> 01:25:16,319 and like, literally maybe      30 minutes before we played 1764 01:25:16,319 --> 01:25:18,446 nobody was out there,           and I'm thinking, 1765 01:25:18,446 --> 01:25:19,989 "Well, okay, 1766 01:25:19,989 --> 01:25:24,160 I'm a legacy artist and     I'm too old for this crowd." 1767 01:25:25,495 --> 01:25:28,248 And I don't know how,        but when we walked out, 1768 01:25:28,248 --> 01:25:31,918 the place was just all the way       back filled with people. 1769 01:25:49,269 --> 01:25:50,353 It was euphoric! 1770 01:25:50,353 --> 01:25:52,313 Because I didn't know          if the audience -- 1771 01:25:52,313 --> 01:25:55,400 and they're super young --     had been exposed to my music 1772 01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:56,568 because of their parents, 1773 01:25:56,568 --> 01:25:57,944 but they knew everything. 1774 01:25:57,944 --> 01:26:05,118 I been long,        a long way from here 1775 01:26:08,288 --> 01:26:12,917 Put on a poncho      and played for mosquitoes 1776 01:26:12,917 --> 01:26:17,130 And drank      'til I was thirsty again 1777 01:26:17,130 --> 01:26:19,215 I was literally looking              at my band 1778 01:26:19,215 --> 01:26:21,050 who is, you know,       for the most part my age, 1779 01:26:21,050 --> 01:26:22,343 maybe a couple           of years younger 1780 01:26:22,343 --> 01:26:23,803 and maybe a couple            of years older, 1781 01:26:23,803 --> 01:26:27,390 and we're all up there looking         at each other going, 1782 01:26:27,390 --> 01:26:28,725 "What is happening?" 1783 01:26:28,725 --> 01:26:31,769 These young people, who are    younger than these songs are, 1784 01:26:31,769 --> 01:26:33,563 they're the people that        are out in the audience 1785 01:26:33,563 --> 01:26:37,025 that are, like,         totally going for it 1786 01:26:37,025 --> 01:26:39,110 on "If It Makes You Happy." 1787 01:26:39,110 --> 01:26:40,653 I made this up 1788 01:26:40,653 --> 01:26:46,075 There is something liberating       about lifting your voice. 1789 01:26:46,075 --> 01:26:51,206 If it makes you happy 1790 01:26:51,206 --> 01:26:55,501 It can't be that bad 1791 01:26:55,501 --> 01:27:00,465 -It has, I think, probably one  of the best cut-loose choruses 1792 01:27:00,465 --> 01:27:02,300 of any modern rock song. 1793 01:27:02,300 --> 01:27:04,844 You know, the whole thing        is kept really subdued 1794 01:27:04,844 --> 01:27:06,804 and it's cool        and it's kind of stoned 1795 01:27:06,804 --> 01:27:08,306 and you're describing               this day. 1796 01:27:08,306 --> 01:27:10,016 But then when she says,       "if it makes you happy," 1797 01:27:10,016 --> 01:27:12,352 it's like --      - If it makes you happy 1798 01:27:12,352 --> 01:27:14,395 -It all comes open. 1799 01:27:14,395 --> 01:27:16,064 - Let me hear you sing 1800 01:27:16,064 --> 01:27:20,485 It can't be that bad 1801 01:27:20,485 --> 01:27:21,861 If it makes you happy... 1802 01:27:21,861 --> 01:27:25,698 People feel themselves in     that, they feel their power. 1803 01:27:25,698 --> 01:27:29,911 And when I get to sing it,        I feel that power too. 1804 01:27:29,911 --> 01:27:32,580 I feel it in my gut           and in my chest. 1805 01:27:32,580 --> 01:27:35,124 -When Sheryl shouts             on that song, 1806 01:27:35,124 --> 01:27:37,085 she does have a whole kind of 1807 01:27:37,085 --> 01:27:38,336 "givin' it to the gods" vibe, 1808 01:27:38,336 --> 01:27:39,837 and it just cuts loose,        it gives everyone else 1809 01:27:39,837 --> 01:27:42,507 permission to cut loose,        all the heads go back, 1810 01:27:42,507 --> 01:27:44,926 and you can see it. 1811 01:27:44,926 --> 01:27:49,597 - Why the hell are you               so sad? 1812 01:27:53,351 --> 01:27:58,273 It gets in there       and it makes you express. 1813 01:27:58,273 --> 01:28:00,608 It's joy, man, it's just joy. 1814 01:28:27,385 --> 01:28:29,637 Come to me now 1815 01:28:32,890 --> 01:28:36,060 Lay your hands over me 1816 01:28:37,854 --> 01:28:40,565 Even if it's a lie 1817 01:28:40,565 --> 01:28:44,319 Say it will be all right 1818 01:28:44,319 --> 01:28:46,738 And I shall believe 1819 01:28:46,738 --> 01:28:50,366 -She is holding the torch 1820 01:28:50,366 --> 01:28:55,705 in a line of very rare            iconic voices. 1821 01:28:55,705 --> 01:28:58,750 - And I do believe 1822 01:28:58,750 --> 01:29:02,295 -You know, she comes from     a long line of strong women. 1823 01:29:02,295 --> 01:29:04,255 Tina Turner, Bonnie Raitt,                Aretha. 1824 01:29:04,255 --> 01:29:10,428 Fantastic women who have made     their place in this business 1825 01:29:10,428 --> 01:29:12,889 without compromising. 1826 01:29:12,889 --> 01:29:19,145 - Please say honestly you         won't give up on me 1827 01:29:22,148 --> 01:29:25,818 I shall believe 1828 01:29:25,818 --> 01:29:27,862 -Sheryl figured out a way 1829 01:29:27,862 --> 01:29:30,907 to tell the truth          through her talent, 1830 01:29:30,907 --> 01:29:33,493 and whether it's about            our brokenness 1831 01:29:33,493 --> 01:29:35,453 or our longing or our grief, 1832 01:29:35,453 --> 01:29:38,623 she's not going to shy away            from the truth. 1833 01:29:38,623 --> 01:29:40,666 -For Sheryl,      it's always about the music 1834 01:29:40,666 --> 01:29:43,586 and being true to herself. 1835 01:29:43,586 --> 01:29:46,464 -It's called "the feel,"               you know, 1836 01:29:46,464 --> 01:29:49,550 and either you feel it           or you're don't. 1837 01:29:49,550 --> 01:29:54,222 What you're trying to do      is to pass that feeling on. 1838 01:29:54,222 --> 01:29:57,141 And Sheryl can do that. 1839 01:29:57,141 --> 01:29:58,101 -The life I have is 1840 01:29:58,101 --> 01:30:01,938 completely informed by her            and vice versa. 1841 01:30:01,938 --> 01:30:06,567 It's bigger than a statement          that I could make. 1842 01:30:06,567 --> 01:30:07,819 You can't put a label on that. 1843 01:30:07,819 --> 01:30:11,406 You know, it's -- it's kind of            just a miracle. 1844 01:30:11,406 --> 01:30:13,408 It's a miracle, really. 1845 01:30:13,408 --> 01:30:16,244 - I shall believe 1846 01:30:18,413 --> 01:30:20,748 I shall believe 1847 01:30:23,418 --> 01:30:25,711 I shall believe 1848 01:30:28,798 --> 01:30:30,967 Oh 1849 01:30:30,967 --> 01:30:34,053 I'm just open,       I'm just trying to learn. 1850 01:30:34,053 --> 01:30:36,347 I'm going to fall,      I'm going to make mistakes, 1851 01:30:36,347 --> 01:30:39,809 but I'm also going to do some      things I'm really proud of, 1852 01:30:39,809 --> 01:30:42,061 and things that really speak              to who I am 1853 01:30:42,061 --> 01:30:44,605 and my character            and my desires. 1854 01:30:44,605 --> 01:30:48,734 If I'm honest with myself,       what art is, is a picture 1855 01:30:48,734 --> 01:30:50,611 of who you are         at any given moment. 1856 01:30:50,611 --> 01:30:54,157 And looking back on my career,           my body of work, 1857 01:30:54,157 --> 01:30:58,786 I could safely say         it is pretty honest. 1858 01:30:58,786 --> 01:31:02,665 Oh 1859 01:31:02,665 --> 01:31:05,835 Please say honestly 1860 01:31:05,835 --> 01:31:11,799 You won't give up on me 1861 01:31:11,799 --> 01:31:15,720 I'm gonna keep on             keepin' on 1862 01:31:15,720 --> 01:31:19,265 Keepin' on, keepin' on 1863 01:31:21,350 --> 01:31:24,854 What the world needs now 1864 01:31:24,854 --> 01:31:27,940 Is love, sweet love 1865 01:31:27,940 --> 01:31:29,734 Sing it with me now. 1866 01:31:29,734 --> 01:31:31,819 Here we go! 1867 01:31:31,819 --> 01:31:35,531 What the world needs now 1868 01:31:35,531 --> 01:31:38,868 - ...love, sweet love 1869 01:31:38,868 --> 01:31:43,498 - Oh 1870 01:31:43,498 --> 01:31:45,583 What the world 1871 01:31:45,583 --> 01:31:47,502 - Needs now 1872 01:31:47,502 --> 01:31:53,633 - Love, sweet love 1873 01:32:00,848 --> 01:32:05,269 Ooh 1874 01:32:16,280 --> 01:32:19,867 One, two, three, four... 1875 01:32:26,666 --> 01:32:33,214 Lay your head down,       don't you worry tonight 1876 01:32:33,214 --> 01:32:40,304 Can't fix the world        no matter how you try 1877 01:32:40,304 --> 01:32:49,897 Give it some time, you will  find everything is all right 1878 01:32:55,152 --> 01:32:59,657 There's no such thing             as forever 1879 01:33:02,159 --> 01:33:09,041 But you and me,            we got today 1880 01:33:09,041 --> 01:33:13,129 And every moment           we're together 1881 01:33:13,129 --> 01:33:16,007 I know there is a heaven 1882 01:33:16,007 --> 01:33:21,220 'Cause you make me            feel that way 1883 01:33:29,103 --> 01:33:36,235 When I get down,     you're the one that I call 1884 01:33:36,235 --> 01:33:42,992 You picked me up       every time that I fall 1885 01:33:42,992 --> 01:33:49,832 And when you left,     nothing else matters to me 1886 01:33:49,832 --> 01:33:52,752 At all 1887 01:33:57,840 --> 01:34:02,595 There's no such thing              as forever 1888 01:34:04,930 --> 01:34:11,937 But you and me,            we got today 1889 01:34:11,937 --> 01:34:15,816 Every moment           we're together 1890 01:34:15,816 --> 01:34:18,861 I know there is a heaven 1891 01:34:18,861 --> 01:34:24,659 'Cause you make me            feel that way 1892 01:34:38,798 --> 01:34:41,676 Garbage out in space,         garbage in the lake 1893 01:34:41,676 --> 01:34:44,428 Baby, what a waste 1894 01:34:45,888 --> 01:34:48,599 Everybody's mad,           everybody's sad 1895 01:34:48,599 --> 01:34:52,186 See it in their face 1896 01:34:52,186 --> 01:34:55,106 I gotta have the latest,         gotta have the best 1897 01:34:55,106 --> 01:34:58,234 The most, if you wanna be        happy, light a match 1898 01:34:58,234 --> 01:35:02,363 And watch it         all go up in smoke