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When I think of

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science fiction, I think of
stories in any medium

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that tell us what we could be

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and warn us about where we're going.

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Every piece of science fiction

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that I enjoy works as pure entertainment,

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and it also works as a social commentary,

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philosophy or inspirational ideas.

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It was always a genre that carried with it

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a sense of taking the
temperature of its own times.

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It's a ripe genre, it's
full of interesting

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twists and offshoots.

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I can get you deseases.
You'd like that, wouldn't you?

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There are so many subgenres
that are available to us

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and I think really give
this kind of rich landscape.

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Science fiction storytelling
exists from the beginning

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of filmmaking and persists through

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two centuries.

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Images

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that we see in cinema
today are built on images from movies

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like 2001, a space odyssey,
Metropolis and things to come.

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In the '50s,

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sci fi was an extension of science,
and science was all about the atom,

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and the atom was all about,
they're going to blow us up

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or we're going to have a wonderful future
because of our friend of the atom.

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The people doing these science
fiction films in the '803,

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they cut their teeth on '50s sci fi,

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but what they did is they said,
we love sci fi for what it represents.

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The post atomic scare that stimulated
so many of these low budget Saturday

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matinee type movies.

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They really impacted us as children.

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But in a different way than
films now in the '703,

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films tend to be more socially conscious,
more artistically presented.

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But let's take a b movie

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and just do it as though we're doing
an art film, without a happy ending.

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The twist

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towards the dark, nihilistic sci fi,
I think, was largely a response against

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technology, government, war,
especially in the Vietnam era.

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A lot of those dystopian films

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were warning about global warming

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and the arms race.

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You maniacs! You blew it up!

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Things that I think made
people feel very small

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and very out of control.
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what science fiction is about
until star wars.

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The whole tone of science fiction
and films really changes

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with Lucas and Spielberg
in the '703 and '80s,

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and it starts showing us the
positive possibilities in our world

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as opposed to constantly warning us
about all the ways we're messing up.

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Spielberg said, "can't we go back to what

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I grew up with, which is the beauty
of sci fl and imagination?

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Let's not dwell on the corrupting
influence of technology."

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For the next decade
or so across the '803,

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that amalgamation of science, fiction,

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and fantasy, seemed to be
the driving force.

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Science fiction became direct,

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straightfonnard, provocative, clear.

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Any idea that anybody had
if you set it on another planet or

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set it in the future, set it in dystopia,
you could get the money to do it.

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Now, sci fi was viable box office.

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And now the studios are
throwing money at the genre

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and you're getting the best filmmakers
and the best actors,

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and they have the funds
to take you to other places.

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Sci fi truly came of age and exploded

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in the '80s.

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We are creating machines
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The human body, human intelligence.

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In saturn 3, you see
the biomimicry of Hector,

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the machine taking on its human
creators ideas and psychopathy.

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Certainly, the way

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saturn 3 was sold, leaned
heavily on alien, robot, science.

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All that kind of stuff, but it leaned
even more heavily on Farrah fawcett

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and that absolutely stunning smile of hers,
in the fact that all of us

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were enamored of Farrah
from Charlie's angels.

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I had that poster,
everybody had that poster.

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And the idea that Farrah fawcett
might be wearing something sexy or

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nothing at all, definitely got my
young self out to see saturn 3.

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The movie you got, however,
was a completely different movie.

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You're quite an event in our lives.

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Well, I guess you don't
get many drop-ins on satrun 3.

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Hardly ever, especially
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We are on a space station that is slick,

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and designed and shiny and colorful,
and all the edges are smoothed out.

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All of the ideas
that might have been initiated

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by alien are gone by the time
you get to the finish product of saturn 3.

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We get to see
kirk Douglas naked a lot,

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but not Farrah fawcett.

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That was kind of
fonnard thinking.

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Doesn't it disgust you
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To be touched by an old man?

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Can't you feel the decay?

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The notion that he wanted
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that he's still a leading man,
that he was still an action star.

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Kirk Douglas was very particular
about that. About that in terms

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of the notion of of men, of male
movie stars and actors

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and the way that they
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Abort!

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Glad you didn't ask
him to shake hands.

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It's a complicated film, you got

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you got Stanley donen the singin'
in the rain director, directing

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this sort of science fiction opera
with this crazy, oversexed robot.

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No! No! No!

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He's probably not the
right director for that.

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The production designer, John Barry,
he was probably the correct person.

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The scenario was based on his stories.

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But kirk didn't like John and so got him
fired and had Stanley donen hired.

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So you have kirk Douglas,
who doesn't like John Barry.

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He gets rid of him.

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And then you have Stanley donen,
who doesn't like Harvey keitel's voice.

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Now we have this weird

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sort of quasi British voice
coming out of Harvey keitel's face.

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Why won't you talk?

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Why not? What have I done wrong?

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All of these decisions just sort of led

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to something of a mess of a movie,
except for Farrah fawcett.

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Kudos to Farrah fawcett

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for dealing with all those boys
and what was going on there.

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It just didn't seem to connect

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with the bigger universe
in the way that the star wars films had.

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No, this was all stuff happening
on this space station

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between these people and a freaky robot.

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Check me.

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The whole star wars

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experience is a phenomenon.

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It opened up horizons in a way

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that nobody ever imagined.

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I'm going in.

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I loved it

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the force is strong with this one.

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I always felt that George Lucas

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was a very unique individual
who had a unique point of view.

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I often wondered if he knew

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what he was really introducing.

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The emprie strikes back

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coming to your galaxy next summer.

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With lando,

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I didn't want to make a black character,
or a white character. Lando was lando.

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It's like Billy Dee to me is Billy Dee.

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I want to show you my
own personal uniqueness.

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How you doin', you old pirate?

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It's so good to see you!

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I wanted to talk about

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a swashbuckling kind of individual.

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Welcome, Leia.

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That was an honor, to work with kershner.

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He was a real actor's director
for one thing, so he really understood

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the human behavior.

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Well, your highness,
I guess this is it.

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That's right.

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Don't get all mushy on me.
So long, Princess.

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It wasn't just purely based on

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this kind of a journey into space.

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Punch it!

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One of the great things

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about playing a kind of
a dubious character.

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They're not bad people,
they're just caught up in situations.

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I remember picking my
daughter from school,

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and the kids would accuse
me of betraying hansel.

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And I'm right in the
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having this debate with these kids.

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I had no choice. They arrived
right before you did.

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I'm sorry.

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If you express those characters
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then I think it makes it more palatable

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and much more interesting.

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I am your father.

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George wanted to keep everything secret,

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he wanted everything
to be a surprise in the movie.

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Unlike keri and Mark, who signed
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Harrison only signed for one movie,

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and each movie was a separate contract
with him.

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George wasn't sure he would
come back for jedi.

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So that's why, at the end of empire,
Han Solo gets frozen in carbonite.

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I love you.

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I know.

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They needed a way, if Harrison

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didn't come back for the third movie,
how do you explain what happened?

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But if he does come back, you defrost him,

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and we're all happy.

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George is more of an idea person,

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that has these great,
fantastic visions.

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And I was a little bit surprised
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the budget for empire strikes back.

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And he was trying to figure out

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how not to spend the more money than he
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I'm thinking this guy is this monolith

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as far as creativity is concerned.

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But here's a guy thinking about

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how much money am I spending
to put an idea together.

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Yeah, it's show business.

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Part of the pressure
that George was feeling

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was because he had financed

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empire himself as opposed
to having a studio do it.

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And when the movie ran
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he had to put up more collateral.

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And so there was a lot of pressure
that, had the movie not been successful,

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he could have ended up back at the start.

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Echo-station five-seven,
we're on our way.

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George Lucas

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was a gift. He changed the
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He introduced all of these new ideas.

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How do you explain that experience?

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It was meant to be.

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It changed everything.

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Introducing Dorothy
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playmate of the year, as
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Galaxina.

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I couldn't tell you the plot of that
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I mean, that's all you need to know.

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She was delightful to watch.

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When I look at galaxina,
what I see is possibility,

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all kinds of possibilities.

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Galaxina is a parody movie.

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Name's Mr. Spot.

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Star Trek, star wars,
a little bit of alien.

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And all of the movies
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that were way, way better. At least two
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These sort of representations of
the cantina from star wars,

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where all of these creatures
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And the image of that spacecraft
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and going on forever, all kinds of nutty
things going on in that movie.

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There's one relationship in that
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as true and real. And it's the relationship
between galaxina and Stephen mok's

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character, he plays Thor.

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You're a machine, and
I'm a human being.

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Which is just another
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They fall in love,

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but they can't really be in love
because she's an Android.

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But she figures out
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so that she can have human feelings.

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I love you, sgt. Thor

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those moments between those two actors,
are the realest moments in that movie.

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In galaxina, we see the first idea

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of sex bots in artificial
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How will they feel if they
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Where is the line?
Really pulls at our psychology.

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I really think those provocative
stories are important for us.

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What it all adds up to is something
that's not quite as good

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as those individual pieces,
but those individual pieces

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that are stuck in my head,

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I will probably remember forever.

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I will remember that alien coming
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Galaxina, sadly, the thing
that hangs over it

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more than anything is the
murder of Dorothy stratten.

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It's hard to think of the movie
without remembering

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what happened to her.

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I really appreciate galaxina, and not just
because of what happened to Dorothy,

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but because there was something
suggested in that movie,

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that there could have been more there

252
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and there might have been
more in the future for her.

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The final countdown
is about to begin.

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The final countdown

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is about the USS nimitz,
an aircraft carrier in 1980

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that gets sent back in time
to December 6th, 1941.

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That was taken less
than an hour ago.

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I don't understand, sir. These
are pre-world war ii pictures.

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Single handedly, with the one aircraft
carrier and all the modern technology

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they have at their disposal,
could absolutely thwart

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the attack on Pearl harbor.

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The United States of America
falls under attack.

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Our job is to defend it.

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The past, present or future.

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Now, the question that the captain
and the crew have to face

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is, do they do that because they are sworn
defenders of the United States,

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and this is an enemy?

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Or do they allow history to play
out as we know it did?

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The classic time travel dilemma.

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You jump back.

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You've now caused this weird ripple
effect that you didn't expect.

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This is going to create a
fracture in the timeline.

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We know where all of the mistakes are
going to be made for the next 40 years.

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And you've got the power to correct them.

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You stay out of this.

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The final countdown is a great example

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of that idea that, you know,
do you interfere or don't you?

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If we could travel back in time,
would we want to change history?

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How it would affect the future?

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What if you go back in time and it kills
the bloodline of your grandparents,

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then you never exist.

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I still have a gut instinct that
things only happened once,

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and if they have happened, then there's
nothing we can do to change them.

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Nor should we try.

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There's all these paradoxical ideas
that exist in science fiction

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that have never been
really answered satisfactorily,

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because we don't have the science
yet to lean one way or another.

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It's an interesting enough
storyline that draws us in

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and makes us think, you know, the
ramifications of action or inaction.

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This is the United States warship.
Or at least, it used to be!

291
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Or will be, or what
the hell ever!

292
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Who are you?

293
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Flash Gordon, quarterback,
New York jets.

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Flash Gordon was true

295
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to the buster crabbe
serials and Alex Raymond

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comic books.

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00:18:22,310 --> 00:18:24,853
I think if Nick roeg
had done flash Gordon

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as the original plan was,
it would have been

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a completely different movie than
the one that Mike Hodges did.

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I can hear dino now saying,
"no, it is a crazy, don't

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do it like this, it is too much dream
like, we want with guns and shooting,

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00:18:37,658 --> 00:18:40,369
and girls with big tits." You know?

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Dino de laurentiis.

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He was like a svengali.

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He had this big vision
that the movie mattered

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above all else.

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Michael Hodges came in
three weeks before filming.

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Strange object imaged
in the imperial vortex.

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We ended up

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basically improvising quite a bit.

311
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Yeah.

312
00:19:04,810 --> 00:19:08,356
When you improvise,
sometimes you get gold.

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Go, flash. Go!

314
00:19:11,984 --> 00:19:13,943
The sets were amazing,

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the costume was outrageously great.

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00:19:19,075 --> 00:19:20,867
What was flash Gordon wearing

317
00:19:20,868 --> 00:19:23,912
during the execution scene?

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00:19:23,913 --> 00:19:27,041
Hot pants, okay?
Green leather, hot pants.

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00:19:29,377 --> 00:19:33,672
Tip of the hat to danilo donati,
who was the set and costume designer,

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he should have been nominated
at least for an academy award.

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Pathetic earthlings.

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Hurling your bodies
out into the void.

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00:19:42,181 --> 00:19:43,348
Max Von sydow,

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00:19:43,349 --> 00:19:47,144
his costume was so heavy
and difficult, he couldn't

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sit down, they had to
lean him on a backboard.

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00:19:50,940 --> 00:19:52,650
Gordon's alive!

327
00:19:53,150 --> 00:19:55,985
Brian blessed. They broke the mold

328
00:19:55,986 --> 00:19:57,904
when he came to this planet.

329
00:19:57,905 --> 00:19:59,907
To the death!

330
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In the scene

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with the moving disc
with Sam and Timothy Dalton,

332
00:20:04,829 --> 00:20:08,457
Brian blessed is just making
one crack after another.

333
00:20:08,666 --> 00:20:09,999
I was laughing so hard.

334
00:20:10,000 --> 00:20:11,080
Why are prisoners tortured?

335
00:20:11,419 --> 00:20:13,670
And the scene where I'm on the table
and he pinches

336
00:20:13,671 --> 00:20:16,966
my bottom was not in the script,
it was a Brian blessed special.

337
00:20:17,007 --> 00:20:18,968
I have my suspicions.

338
00:20:19,885 --> 00:20:22,012
One of the amazing things
about flash Gordon,

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it was the sweetness of it, the innocence.

340
00:20:25,641 --> 00:20:26,642
Oh, it's so crazy!

341
00:20:26,684 --> 00:20:30,813
And that sweetness allows for the room
to have all these double entendres.

342
00:20:31,355 --> 00:20:35,359
Some adult content,
subtle and not-so-subtle.

343
00:20:36,610 --> 00:20:40,698
Ming has his magic ring that
causes me to have a lot of pleasure.

344
00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:45,034
But it works because I'm this
innocent who just doesn't quite know

345
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what's going on.

346
00:20:46,996 --> 00:20:49,497
Did you ever see such repsonse?

347
00:20:49,498 --> 00:20:51,500
No, truly. She even
rivals your daughter.

348
00:20:52,877 --> 00:20:55,129
Look at ornella, that seduction scene

349
00:20:55,337 --> 00:20:57,882
where she's sitting on my lap,
I kept telling the director,

350
00:20:58,007 --> 00:20:59,674
I'm not really getting this.

351
00:20:59,675 --> 00:21:01,802
I need another take, okay?

352
00:21:01,844 --> 00:21:03,846
Oh my god, this girl's
really turning me on.

353
00:21:04,054 --> 00:21:06,348
I didn't quite get that.
Think it again.

354
00:21:06,390 --> 00:21:07,682
Oh, yeah,

355
00:21:07,683 --> 00:21:10,770
that took it to a whole nother level.

356
00:21:12,021 --> 00:21:14,607
I was told in the beginning
dino did not want queen.

357
00:21:14,690 --> 00:21:19,361
He was quoted as saying,
“no, that's a not for my movie."

358
00:21:19,487 --> 00:21:22,490
Queen not only complimented flash Gordon,

359
00:21:22,823 --> 00:21:24,533
it brought tremendous value.

360
00:21:29,663 --> 00:21:32,583
It was rock and roll, it was
festive, it was lyrical,

361
00:21:33,417 --> 00:21:34,834
and that's what the movie is.

362
00:21:34,835 --> 00:21:37,755
This is not a dark movie,
it's a cartoon strip,

363
00:21:38,047 --> 00:21:40,424
so it was supposed to
be energetic and fun.

364
00:21:41,675 --> 00:21:43,384
It is what it is.

365
00:21:43,385 --> 00:21:47,890
Just sit back and enjoy being transported.

366
00:21:49,642 --> 00:21:52,603
If you're faced with
any storm in your life,

367
00:21:52,978 --> 00:21:55,605
you just call upon flash Gordon.

368
00:21:55,606 --> 00:21:56,732
It's timeless.

369
00:21:56,774 --> 00:21:58,776
Yeah!

370
00:22:06,659 --> 00:22:10,537
If you were a kid coming
of age in the 1980s,

371
00:22:10,538 --> 00:22:13,415
you were worried
that nuclear war would start.

372
00:22:13,874 --> 00:22:16,377
We were at the height
of the cold war in the 1980s.

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The height of an understanding
of what nuclear technology could do

374
00:22:22,049 --> 00:22:24,218
and its potential for devastation.

375
00:22:28,889 --> 00:22:32,267
I remember as a child, we lived
near an air force base.

376
00:22:32,268 --> 00:22:35,144
Four bells meant get under the desk.

377
00:22:35,145 --> 00:22:37,147
- Duck!
- Duck and cover.

378
00:22:37,898 --> 00:22:38,816
Duck and cover.
Duck and cover yourselves.

379
00:22:38,858 --> 00:22:40,483
Duck and cover.

380
00:22:40,484 --> 00:22:44,530
And they're telling you that's going
to save you from a new killer attack.

381
00:22:44,572 --> 00:22:47,449
Duck and cover. Attaboy, Tony.

382
00:22:47,491 --> 00:22:49,368
That flash means: Act fast.

383
00:22:49,410 --> 00:22:51,537
This was a given, this was going to happen.

384
00:22:52,037 --> 00:22:56,083
So, of course, we all had
nightmares, I had very vivid ones.

385
00:22:57,334 --> 00:23:01,129
Superpowers were going head to
head every other week in the news,

386
00:23:01,130 --> 00:23:04,008
and we entered the '80s
with enormous apprehension.

387
00:23:04,049 --> 00:23:09,513
If the Soviet union is attacked, we will
answer with all our nuclear might.

388
00:23:09,972 --> 00:23:13,057
What science fiction films
did at that time,

389
00:23:13,058 --> 00:23:15,603
I think was gave us
an outlet, a catharsis,

390
00:23:16,437 --> 00:23:20,190
by extrapolating the
potential for devastation.

391
00:23:20,733 --> 00:23:24,569
By the time you had Reagan in
the us, and Thatcher in the UK,

392
00:23:24,570 --> 00:23:28,490
and you had sort of the latter
era Soviet leadership,

393
00:23:29,116 --> 00:23:34,580
there was enormous western exceptionalism
that invaded all of the art.

394
00:23:34,914 --> 00:23:37,416
So it wasn't surprising that

395
00:23:37,625 --> 00:23:42,754
the audiences escaped as a means
of processing fears and ideas

396
00:23:42,755 --> 00:23:46,800
about the geopolitical situation,
but also the political situation at home,

397
00:23:46,926 --> 00:23:48,135
which wasn't great either.

398
00:23:49,678 --> 00:23:52,263
I was in the air force
for most of the 19803.

399
00:23:52,264 --> 00:23:56,644
I was stationed in a nuclear silo
in north Dakota for a portion of time.

400
00:23:56,977 --> 00:23:58,770
These fears were palpable.

401
00:23:58,771 --> 00:24:02,399
So when we went to see movies like
wargames, firefox,

402
00:24:03,025 --> 00:24:06,236
these films tried to be
as realistic, speculative

403
00:24:06,695 --> 00:24:08,530
but as realistic as possible.

404
00:24:08,572 --> 00:24:13,535
I'm speaking to the individual who has
stolen the property of the ussr.

405
00:24:13,577 --> 00:24:15,579
We're getting the royal treatment.

406
00:24:15,871 --> 00:24:16,913
So whether you're talking about a movie

407
00:24:16,914 --> 00:24:21,501
like Superman iv, a bond movie or a movie
like weird science where a nuclear missile

408
00:24:21,502 --> 00:24:25,047
comes up through the floor in the bedroom,
the cold war is right there in the film.

409
00:24:27,132 --> 00:24:30,134
When we saw these movies,
we didn't have to be so scared

410
00:24:30,135 --> 00:24:32,179
we could let somebody else
handle the problem.

411
00:24:36,016 --> 00:24:37,184
Wolverines!

412
00:24:37,267 --> 00:24:39,687
And something really drove James Cameron

413
00:24:39,937 --> 00:24:44,149
as a filmmaker, nuclear war,
and that whole idea is in all his films.

414
00:24:44,858 --> 00:24:48,153
It's a background to skynet
and the Terminator.

415
00:24:48,696 --> 00:24:50,322
It's there in aliens.

416
00:24:50,364 --> 00:24:53,826
I say we take off and nuke
the entire site from orbit.

417
00:24:57,287 --> 00:25:00,082
And it's a motif in Cameron films,
the mushroom clouds.

418
00:25:00,416 --> 00:25:04,837
And by Terminator 2, you get
that shocking dream sequence.

419
00:25:05,212 --> 00:25:07,088
And it really was in your
face by that point.

420
00:25:07,089 --> 00:25:09,633
It wasn't a metaphor anymore.
It really was James Cameron going,

421
00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,553
"this is what it's going
to be like, people."

422
00:25:16,974 --> 00:25:20,269
Do you know exactly what your
family would do if an attack came?

423
00:25:20,436 --> 00:25:21,353
On the other side of it,

424
00:25:21,354 --> 00:25:25,857
you got parables like threads,
which was made in britain

425
00:25:25,858 --> 00:25:29,445
about what happens if a
nuclear attack actually went off.

426
00:25:31,697 --> 00:25:33,364
The real threat

427
00:25:33,365 --> 00:25:37,453
of nuclear armageddon
was never very far away,

428
00:25:37,494 --> 00:25:40,496
so when the day after comes out, it took

429
00:25:40,497 --> 00:25:44,877
what was an existential fear for
me and it gave it visuals.

430
00:25:46,420 --> 00:25:48,755
It won't be pretty, it won't be fast,

431
00:25:48,756 --> 00:25:52,384
I mean, the lucky ones,
will die out, right?

432
00:25:52,676 --> 00:25:57,056
Nothing on network television
like this had ever been shown.

433
00:25:57,973 --> 00:26:00,309
If you have a nuclear war,

434
00:26:00,684 --> 00:26:03,562
this is what it's going
to be like on a good day.

435
00:26:09,693 --> 00:26:12,445
The day after was a huge
television phenomenon.

436
00:26:12,446 --> 00:26:15,616
It showed that you could
do the darker story.

437
00:26:16,075 --> 00:26:18,743
It was painful to watch
because the radiation

438
00:26:18,744 --> 00:26:21,622
was definitely going to get to
us and kill us at some point.

439
00:26:21,914 --> 00:26:26,502
The day after is the most watched
movie made for television ever.

440
00:26:26,835 --> 00:26:31,590
100 million people watched it
in one night, so I was quite stunned.

441
00:26:31,924 --> 00:26:34,885
But there was one person's mind
who was changed overnight,

442
00:26:35,094 --> 00:26:38,138
and that happened to be the president
of the United States, Ronald Reagan,

443
00:26:38,806 --> 00:26:40,974
who had come to power believing

444
00:26:41,183 --> 00:26:44,478
that there was such a thing
as a winnable nuclear war.

445
00:26:45,354 --> 00:26:48,023
I spent the '80s in Thatcher's London.

446
00:26:48,398 --> 00:26:51,527
I was very interested in
getting Reagan out of office.

447
00:26:51,944 --> 00:26:55,614
My fear of what these

448
00:26:56,073 --> 00:26:59,368
politicians can do, the people
that I cannot control.

449
00:27:00,202 --> 00:27:05,124
I focus my energies on what I can do
in my own little corner of the world.

450
00:27:07,918 --> 00:27:09,001
We've been living

451
00:27:09,002 --> 00:27:11,880
with the cold war since world war ii,

452
00:27:12,089 --> 00:27:17,677
generations have lived under that threat,
and I don't think one generation

453
00:27:17,678 --> 00:27:20,305
is any more immune to
that threat than another.

454
00:27:20,931 --> 00:27:24,601
Today, you know, we're worried
about the very slow end of the world

455
00:27:24,643 --> 00:27:28,438
from, you know, environmental
things or terrorist acts.

456
00:27:28,647 --> 00:27:32,401
I think ever since we created the
bomb, the world has been different.

457
00:27:32,985 --> 00:27:34,318
People were just channeling

458
00:27:34,319 --> 00:27:38,156
their beliefs, their fears or nightmare
scenarios into these stories.

459
00:27:38,157 --> 00:27:40,408
And now we're at an age
where in the modern day,

460
00:27:40,409 --> 00:27:43,619
it's all about lack of privacy
and how the Internet and the machines

461
00:27:43,620 --> 00:27:44,413
are going to take over.

462
00:27:44,414 --> 00:27:46,080
And we're going to become
dehumanized to the point

463
00:27:46,081 --> 00:27:47,957
where we're just slaves to the machines.

464
00:27:47,958 --> 00:27:50,794
It's an interesting cycle
to have walked through.

465
00:28:03,807 --> 00:28:05,850
In the '803, there were several

466
00:28:05,851 --> 00:28:09,354
shrinking movies, which I guess
somehow that became funny.

467
00:28:09,730 --> 00:28:14,026
Honey, I shrunk the kids, the incredible
shrinking woman and innerspace.

468
00:28:14,443 --> 00:28:15,611
And they were all good.

469
00:28:15,652 --> 00:28:17,653
Now, how about a big
hand with a little lady?

470
00:28:17,654 --> 00:28:19,656
The incredible shrinking woman.

471
00:28:23,327 --> 00:28:25,286
To take on the book

472
00:28:25,287 --> 00:28:26,747
incredible shrinking man.

473
00:28:26,788 --> 00:28:30,959
The top news story of the day continues
to be the incredible shrinking woman.

474
00:28:31,001 --> 00:28:34,087
I'm sure there must be
some logical explanation.

475
00:28:34,213 --> 00:28:36,340
The satire on advertising.

476
00:28:36,381 --> 00:28:39,968
Galaxy blue. Galaxy blue.

477
00:28:40,427 --> 00:28:41,303
She's a tiny housewife,

478
00:28:41,304 --> 00:28:43,764
and she has to deal with
all these products coming at her.

479
00:28:43,805 --> 00:28:45,474
The glue, the solvent,
your bubble bath.

480
00:28:45,515 --> 00:28:47,517
Talcum powder, shampoo...

481
00:28:48,101 --> 00:28:50,186
He was making fun of these products

482
00:28:50,187 --> 00:28:53,190
that are fed to them like
this is going to make your life better.

483
00:28:53,232 --> 00:28:55,234
It's called

484
00:28:56,235 --> 00:28:57,819
tre natural.

485
00:28:58,195 --> 00:28:59,862
And what started to happen

486
00:28:59,863 --> 00:29:01,030
with the women's movement
is they were going,

487
00:29:01,031 --> 00:29:03,908
I don't want to make my life
at home better that much.

488
00:29:03,909 --> 00:29:04,951
I want to be out of here.

489
00:29:04,952 --> 00:29:08,663
Making dinner or doing
the laundry is not all

490
00:29:08,664 --> 00:29:10,415
I want to do.

491
00:29:10,457 --> 00:29:12,417
Judith, I don't think this
is such a good idea.

492
00:29:12,834 --> 00:29:16,629
Lily tomlin, she's perfect
because she's a comedian

493
00:29:16,630 --> 00:29:21,260
and she can embody the craziness
of that. She has this insane range.

494
00:29:21,301 --> 00:29:23,262
And you better lay off
of buttons, fester.

495
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,638
I'm in it for like a very
short amount of time.

496
00:29:25,639 --> 00:29:28,892
I'm advertising soap,
but they cut it.

497
00:29:29,810 --> 00:29:32,645
When Lily hit in the Barbie
dream house, it's so great

498
00:29:32,646 --> 00:29:37,943
because that's an iconic thing from girls
childhood to be the size of your dolls.

499
00:29:38,277 --> 00:29:40,736
It's all about the insignificance.

500
00:29:40,737 --> 00:29:42,739
Off the frutniture!

501
00:29:44,074 --> 00:29:47,077
And what are you grinning
at, you big creep?

502
00:29:47,244 --> 00:29:48,036
The dolls,

503
00:29:48,037 --> 00:29:50,956
if they were bigger than you, life size,

504
00:29:51,206 --> 00:29:53,542
they would be terrifying.

505
00:29:58,171 --> 00:29:59,171
Lily gets smaller

506
00:29:59,172 --> 00:30:02,509
and smaller, and then falls
into the garbage disposal,

507
00:30:02,759 --> 00:30:06,304
which is, first of all, everyone's
nightmare, like when you drop something

508
00:30:06,305 --> 00:30:08,139
to the garbage disposal
and you have to reach in,

509
00:30:08,140 --> 00:30:08,765
and take it out.

510
00:30:08,807 --> 00:30:10,934
There's like a built in terror.

511
00:30:12,894 --> 00:30:14,395
That's the big, actual

512
00:30:14,396 --> 00:30:17,524
visual point that she's
not a factor anymore.

513
00:30:17,607 --> 00:30:22,154
She's just doing herjob and she's
becoming smaller and smaller as a person.

514
00:30:22,195 --> 00:30:23,405
I'm going to lose my mind!

515
00:30:23,447 --> 00:30:26,783
And it's the war that women
then started to feel like

516
00:30:26,992 --> 00:30:29,785
this isn't my life,
I don't want this to be my life.

517
00:30:29,786 --> 00:30:32,789
I'm sick of products!
I'm sick of advertising!

518
00:30:32,914 --> 00:30:35,041
You're talking about my work!

519
00:30:35,042 --> 00:30:37,127
See, I love things that
have themes like that.

520
00:30:37,169 --> 00:30:39,171
More champagne?

521
00:30:40,672 --> 00:30:43,300
Vance, look what you did!

522
00:30:50,515 --> 00:30:55,479
Outland. The ultimate
enemy is still man.

523
00:30:57,189 --> 00:31:00,108
An underrated classic
from early '803 science fiction.

524
00:31:00,525 --> 00:31:04,236
Sean Connery plays a federal marshal
who was sent to this backwater

525
00:31:04,237 --> 00:31:07,157
mining colony on a moon of Jupiter.

526
00:31:08,325 --> 00:31:11,911
He discovers a drug operation
where the drugs that are being used

527
00:31:11,912 --> 00:31:15,414
by the miners and sold to the miners
to make them boost their productivity

528
00:31:15,415 --> 00:31:17,459
is actually killing them.

529
00:31:17,501 --> 00:31:21,004
Get it off!

530
00:31:24,132 --> 00:31:26,967
I was desperate to make a western.

531
00:31:26,968 --> 00:31:30,597
Certainly after people like George Lucas
figured out, wait a second,

532
00:31:30,806 --> 00:31:35,267
the western is not dead, it's alive,
it's in outer space, so I modeled it

533
00:31:35,268 --> 00:31:40,732
after dodge city, the frontier aspect
of it, the harshness and the danger

534
00:31:41,066 --> 00:31:45,028
and the greed, and the fact that
if you just stepped outside, you died.

535
00:31:46,947 --> 00:31:51,201
That's a completely conceivable future
where we actually go out and we actually

536
00:31:51,243 --> 00:31:55,247
mine asteroids and mine planets
and stuff. And it's a corporate entity.

537
00:31:55,288 --> 00:31:58,166
We're on our way to becoming the
leading con amalgamate operation.

538
00:31:58,208 --> 00:32:01,711
And everyone in this room has
received the bonus checks to prove it.

539
00:32:01,753 --> 00:32:05,172
It's a social commentary
about how to control economies

540
00:32:05,173 --> 00:32:07,634
and how to control corporate people.

541
00:32:07,676 --> 00:32:09,677
We are all professionals.

542
00:32:09,678 --> 00:32:11,555
I'm sure we are.

543
00:32:11,596 --> 00:32:14,014
I first wrote it when I was at universal.

544
00:32:14,015 --> 00:32:16,434
I remember ned tanen read
the script and said,

545
00:32:16,435 --> 00:32:19,019
"I like it, we'll make it if
Eastwood will do it."

546
00:32:19,020 --> 00:32:22,023
And I said, "well, you'll make
the phone book if Eastwood will do it."

547
00:32:22,149 --> 00:32:23,441
Sean Connery will...

548
00:32:23,442 --> 00:32:25,734
He'll bring Connery to whatever he plays.

549
00:32:25,735 --> 00:32:28,320
Zero ego about anything to do

550
00:32:28,321 --> 00:32:31,741
with him and total ego
about how to make the movie good.

551
00:32:31,783 --> 00:32:36,037
So every discussion you had with him
was how to make the script better.

552
00:32:36,455 --> 00:32:38,164
How to make the movie better.

553
00:32:38,165 --> 00:32:39,249
He was a remarkable guy.

554
00:32:39,291 --> 00:32:41,375
There's a whole machine that works,

555
00:32:41,376 --> 00:32:44,504
because everybody does
what they're supposed to.

556
00:32:45,213 --> 00:32:46,089
I did write one

557
00:32:46,090 --> 00:32:49,634
line where I said,
I can't wait for him to say it.

558
00:32:50,051 --> 00:32:52,219
And it's at the end of a very big chase.

559
00:32:52,220 --> 00:32:54,054
He's got a guy cornered in the kitchen

560
00:32:54,055 --> 00:32:56,516
and then he fires his gun
all around the guy.

561
00:32:57,934 --> 00:32:59,311
Think it over.

562
00:32:59,352 --> 00:33:00,562
Think it over.

563
00:33:00,604 --> 00:33:02,606
It's like butter with him.

564
00:33:02,647 --> 00:33:04,649
When they dig more oil,
the company's happy.

565
00:33:04,941 --> 00:33:06,818
When the company's happy, I'm happy.

566
00:33:06,860 --> 00:33:07,652
I first knew

567
00:33:07,653 --> 00:33:09,738
Peter boyle from seeing
a movie called Joe.

568
00:33:10,947 --> 00:33:14,825
So the first film that I ever
wrote, I got to know Peter

569
00:33:14,826 --> 00:33:18,913
and thought he was terrific. And I
needed somebody with some grit.

570
00:33:18,914 --> 00:33:20,933
If you're looking for money,
you're smarter than you look.

571
00:33:20,957 --> 00:33:23,752
If you're not, you're
a lot dumber.

572
00:33:25,045 --> 00:33:26,004
Frances sternhagen.

573
00:33:26,046 --> 00:33:27,631
Hello.

574
00:33:27,672 --> 00:33:29,633
It's the drug.

575
00:33:29,674 --> 00:33:30,884
You just won a prize.

576
00:33:30,926 --> 00:33:32,760
The part originally was written for a man.

577
00:33:32,761 --> 00:33:35,679
I said, I want to cast a woman
and make no change

578
00:33:35,680 --> 00:33:36,806
in the script.

579
00:33:36,848 --> 00:33:39,726
Almost everybody here doesn't
have both oars in the water,

580
00:33:39,768 --> 00:33:41,061
as far as I'm concerned.

581
00:33:41,353 --> 00:33:42,997
Everything she said
was a little different,

582
00:33:43,021 --> 00:33:45,190
everything she said was her way.

583
00:33:45,232 --> 00:33:48,527
There hasn't been so much excitement in
this heap for some time.

584
00:33:48,818 --> 00:33:50,152
When it came to outland,

585
00:33:50,153 --> 00:33:53,156
the idea of a mining conglomerate
seemed feasible to me.

586
00:33:53,657 --> 00:33:56,992
I wanted you to see the kind
of hostility of the environment

587
00:33:56,993 --> 00:33:58,912
and who are the people
who would be doing it.

588
00:34:00,205 --> 00:34:02,791
And why would they be doing it.

589
00:34:06,545 --> 00:34:09,213
I never won an Oscar, except one
of the things that I wanted

590
00:34:09,214 --> 00:34:13,677
more than anything else was to do a film
that would be parodied in mad magazine.

591
00:34:13,927 --> 00:34:16,012
And they did outland in mad magazine.

592
00:34:16,054 --> 00:34:19,266
I was thrilled, to me the
highest compliment I could be paid.

593
00:34:25,814 --> 00:34:28,454
You and I know that when anybody says
which it's the best Superman,

594
00:34:28,483 --> 00:34:29,942
they say ii.

595
00:34:29,943 --> 00:34:32,445
You haven't seen the best part.

596
00:34:33,572 --> 00:34:36,866
Superman ii. The adventure continues.

597
00:34:37,325 --> 00:34:42,539
Superman ii remains about truth,
justice and the American way.

598
00:34:43,123 --> 00:34:45,374
There is no doubt about that.

599
00:34:45,375 --> 00:34:48,377
It is also about the villains coming back
and maybe getting Superman,

600
00:34:48,378 --> 00:34:50,171
and that's the best part.

601
00:34:50,213 --> 00:34:52,215
Superman!

602
00:34:54,426 --> 00:34:57,304
There is no question about the
fact that Christopher reeve

603
00:34:57,637 --> 00:35:03,018
embodied Superman,
I just think he was extraordinary.

604
00:35:04,644 --> 00:35:06,646
I believe this is your floor.

605
00:35:06,730 --> 00:35:08,355
He was a little dorky.

606
00:35:08,356 --> 00:35:10,567
He was more like Clark Kent than Superman.

607
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:18,199
Terence stamp remains
the sexiest man on earth.

608
00:35:19,034 --> 00:35:21,036
Kneel before Zod.

609
00:35:21,911 --> 00:35:22,995
Jack looked like Jack,

610
00:35:22,996 --> 00:35:25,832
all the time, I hasten to add.

611
00:35:26,708 --> 00:35:28,752
We moved a certain way

612
00:35:29,085 --> 00:35:31,338
and we moved with a fluidity.

613
00:35:32,005 --> 00:35:35,299
Three villains flying along,
they'd got the tracks

614
00:35:35,300 --> 00:35:38,261
up in the roof like
railway tracks up there.

615
00:35:38,803 --> 00:35:41,473
Somebody hadn't quite worked out
that when you go round a corner,

616
00:35:42,223 --> 00:35:44,100
the momentum swings you out.

617
00:35:44,142 --> 00:35:46,018
So the three of us start off very well,

618
00:35:46,019 --> 00:35:49,439
then we go round a corner and then we all
get tangled up together and there we hang.

619
00:35:51,775 --> 00:35:53,233
Stepping on the moon,

620
00:35:53,234 --> 00:35:55,737
it was the most extraordinary set.

621
00:35:55,779 --> 00:35:57,696
What kind of a creature are you?

622
00:35:57,697 --> 00:35:59,699
Just a man.

623
00:35:59,741 --> 00:36:01,242
A man?

624
00:36:01,284 --> 00:36:04,496
Do you know that scene where
I kick the astronaut in the groin?

625
00:36:04,621 --> 00:36:06,372
When I went to Japan to promote the film,

626
00:36:06,373 --> 00:36:08,583
they cut that scene
because it was too violent.

627
00:36:08,875 --> 00:36:11,961
A woman kicking a man like that
just doesn't do, does it?

628
00:36:16,132 --> 00:36:16,883
Margot kidder

629
00:36:16,884 --> 00:36:20,844
absolutely made contact
when she had to clip me

630
00:36:20,845 --> 00:36:23,890
because we tried it a few times
and it just didn't look too real.

631
00:36:23,932 --> 00:36:25,934
You're a real pain in the neck!

632
00:36:26,893 --> 00:36:29,187
She got me so much that
I went over the edge.

633
00:36:30,313 --> 00:36:31,605
It's like, “got the shot,

634
00:36:31,606 --> 00:36:34,108
moving on, thank you very much."

635
00:36:34,109 --> 00:36:37,778
We weren't killed off,
we just disappeared, if you like.

636
00:36:37,779 --> 00:36:39,405
To be able to come back.

637
00:36:39,406 --> 00:36:42,742
There was definitely
speculation about that.

638
00:36:45,495 --> 00:36:48,163
Superman I and ii, we shot
them back to back.

639
00:36:48,164 --> 00:36:51,584
With Richard donner,
who we all adored.

640
00:36:51,918 --> 00:36:56,673
We took a break because at a certain point
we'd shot so much of Superman ll,

641
00:36:56,881 --> 00:36:58,924
they needed to concentrate
on Superman I.

642
00:36:58,925 --> 00:37:00,468
Of course they did.

643
00:37:00,802 --> 00:37:04,556
I literally got back on the set
and it was Richard Lester.

644
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,058
To reshoot the same sequence

645
00:37:08,059 --> 00:37:12,313
with two incredibly different directors
was the best experience of my life.

646
00:37:19,529 --> 00:37:21,405
Consequently, when

647
00:37:21,406 --> 00:37:24,951
it came to selling
Superman ii, it was me.

648
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:27,953
Warner brothers put me through
my paces to see if I could

649
00:37:27,954 --> 00:37:30,957
talk about the film
without spilling the beans.

650
00:37:31,791 --> 00:37:33,835
The fact that they changed directors

651
00:37:34,294 --> 00:37:38,173
was just something we never talked
about in the marketing of the film.

652
00:37:38,214 --> 00:37:42,468
That was a more naive period
where people weren't

653
00:37:42,469 --> 00:37:46,765
so into all the nuances of filmmaking.

654
00:37:47,182 --> 00:37:50,184
At the beginning, it was marvelous
and glorious, and we all loved each other.

655
00:37:50,185 --> 00:37:53,145
By the end, it was just
we'd all had enough, I think.

656
00:37:53,146 --> 00:37:56,399
I often think of the enormity

657
00:37:56,566 --> 00:37:59,360
of certainly the impact of Superman.

658
00:37:59,903 --> 00:38:03,239
Everybody has seen Superman.
Around the world,

659
00:38:03,281 --> 00:38:05,992
whether it be on television,
whatever it is, it's a love fest.

660
00:38:17,587 --> 00:38:20,756
Before we lived in a dystopian reality,

661
00:38:20,757 --> 00:38:24,969
I really enjoyed
dystopian science fiction.

662
00:38:25,512 --> 00:38:27,972
John carpenter's escape
from New York.

663
00:38:28,014 --> 00:38:32,018
The greatest escape of them all
is about to blow the future apart.

664
00:38:32,769 --> 00:38:33,728
Escape from New York

665
00:38:33,729 --> 00:38:38,650
actually started as John carpenter's
first screenplay out of film school.

666
00:38:38,817 --> 00:38:42,402
After he had done a few, studio
really wanted to work with him

667
00:38:42,403 --> 00:38:44,196
and said, basically, what do you got?

668
00:38:44,197 --> 00:38:47,450
And he went to the closet,
brought out the script.

669
00:38:47,742 --> 00:38:49,660
They loved the idea.

670
00:38:49,661 --> 00:38:50,869
He called me.

671
00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:53,747
He said, "I really need another mind

672
00:38:53,748 --> 00:38:57,084
here to help me get through this
and make sense of it."

673
00:38:57,085 --> 00:38:59,420
So I think it was a
valuable collaboration.

674
00:38:59,462 --> 00:39:03,424
You go in, find the president,
bring him out in 24 hours,

675
00:39:03,466 --> 00:39:05,051
and you're a free man.

676
00:39:05,093 --> 00:39:06,093
24 hours, huh?

677
00:39:06,469 --> 00:39:09,764
Escape from New York was the
biggest movie I'd made up to that time.

678
00:39:10,223 --> 00:39:12,891
It was basically the same crew
and some of the same cast

679
00:39:12,892 --> 00:39:15,019
I'd worked with before,
so it was fun to do.

680
00:39:15,395 --> 00:39:19,232
It was hard work trying
to keep everything light

681
00:39:19,816 --> 00:39:21,568
if we can.

682
00:39:22,318 --> 00:39:25,070
It was like a huge family

683
00:39:25,071 --> 00:39:30,784
working with actors that he loves
both personally and professionally.

684
00:39:30,785 --> 00:39:35,456
He knows that he can get the performance
out of them that he wants.

685
00:39:39,252 --> 00:39:41,044
And they have much more fun working

686
00:39:41,045 --> 00:39:44,257
if you're, you know, everything
is calm, and here we go.

687
00:39:45,592 --> 00:39:48,052
St. Louis, which was the
beginning of the shoot.

688
00:39:48,136 --> 00:39:52,432
They shot much of the exterior material.
St. Louis at the time

689
00:39:52,515 --> 00:39:56,185
looked like post-apocalyptical,
you know, United States.

690
00:39:56,853 --> 00:39:59,147
You didn't have to do a
lot of window dressing.

691
00:39:59,689 --> 00:40:03,359
Nothing was done in New York
other than being on Liberty island.

692
00:40:04,944 --> 00:40:07,947
Kurt was always known
and grew up as a Disney kid,

693
00:40:08,031 --> 00:40:11,659
but John can see into
what the potential is in people.

694
00:40:11,701 --> 00:40:15,162
I recognized Kurt early on
when we did Elvis.

695
00:40:15,163 --> 00:40:16,955
This guy's got it.

696
00:40:16,956 --> 00:40:18,666
He really has it.

697
00:40:21,169 --> 00:40:22,544
Just knowing Kurt, you know

698
00:40:22,545 --> 00:40:26,883
he has the potential for doing something
that's a little darker and physical.

699
00:40:32,388 --> 00:40:36,184
Love the character of Maggie.

700
00:40:38,144 --> 00:40:39,853
Balls out chick, you know,

701
00:40:39,854 --> 00:40:42,023
and I was used to playing
that kind of role.

702
00:40:42,065 --> 00:40:45,526
You're plissken?
I heard you were dead.

703
00:40:45,693 --> 00:40:47,903
I think her entire moral character

704
00:40:47,904 --> 00:40:51,991
is exhibited in the last scene,
where she reaches

705
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:57,872
out her hand to snake for the gun
and she fires at the Duke.

706
00:41:00,875 --> 00:41:03,794
Thatjust said everything
to me about her.

707
00:41:03,795 --> 00:41:05,964
Escape from New York

708
00:41:06,005 --> 00:41:09,384
really, its philosophical bent was
it was a nihilist film.

709
00:41:10,218 --> 00:41:13,178
It had a nihilist character
it had a nihilist ending,

710
00:41:13,179 --> 00:41:16,057
but it was also done in a way
that was tongue in cheek.

711
00:41:16,599 --> 00:41:20,269
We're going to go far in this
direction and have fun with it.

712
00:41:21,020 --> 00:41:23,022
Don't kill yourself
after you see this film.

713
00:41:23,064 --> 00:41:25,024
You're going to kill
me now, snake?

714
00:41:25,984 --> 00:41:27,986
I'm too tired.

715
00:41:28,611 --> 00:41:30,612
Maybe later.

716
00:41:30,613 --> 00:41:34,408
If you want to know who would win
a fight between snake plissken,

717
00:41:34,409 --> 00:41:38,454
Jack Burton or rj macready, snake
plissken would win the fight

718
00:41:38,496 --> 00:41:39,414
hands down.

719
00:41:39,455 --> 00:41:41,457
He's a bad ass, that's why.

720
00:41:47,672 --> 00:41:50,174
A universe of magic.

721
00:41:50,216 --> 00:41:52,218
Heavy metal.

722
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:53,469
Heavy metal,

723
00:41:53,470 --> 00:41:57,598
the movie, was a very interesting
experience for young, 14 year old me.

724
00:41:57,890 --> 00:42:00,560
Yeah, my worldview shifted
after watching that film.

725
00:42:05,606 --> 00:42:07,024
I was a fan of the magazine,

726
00:42:07,025 --> 00:42:09,861
a fan of the art,
fan of the storytelling.

727
00:42:11,154 --> 00:42:14,032
It played into my interests
in a very natural way.

728
00:42:15,366 --> 00:42:17,410
I said, "it would be great
as an animated film."

729
00:42:17,452 --> 00:42:19,871
My powers continue.

730
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:28,046
It showed you the possibility of animation
and sci fi and more sophisticated ideas.

731
00:42:29,422 --> 00:42:32,175
Beautiful, but it's also really subversive

732
00:42:32,383 --> 00:42:33,342
and countercultural.

733
00:42:33,384 --> 00:42:37,387
I told you, I'm an American citizen.
I just lost my papers or something.

734
00:42:37,388 --> 00:42:39,390
Goddamn legal aliens.

735
00:42:39,599 --> 00:42:42,018
The source material,
the heavy metal stories

736
00:42:42,101 --> 00:42:45,521
really in themselves
had a kind of level of explicitness

737
00:42:45,563 --> 00:42:47,607
that was freeing,
I think, for the artists.

738
00:42:48,441 --> 00:42:50,942
I saw that as something that was quite fun

739
00:42:50,943 --> 00:42:52,403
and delicious.

740
00:42:52,445 --> 00:42:55,823
I'm afraid that I'll come home one
day and find you screwing the toaster.

741
00:42:56,449 --> 00:42:59,368
You'll just have to trust me.

742
00:42:59,827 --> 00:43:03,498
Gerald potterton was a really fine
animation director in Canada.

743
00:43:03,581 --> 00:43:06,292
I sort of enlisted him as kind of a

744
00:43:06,584 --> 00:43:08,586
central filmmaking group
to tell this story.

745
00:43:12,256 --> 00:43:14,007
Len blum and Dan goldberg

746
00:43:14,008 --> 00:43:16,385
who I had worked
with on meatballs,

747
00:43:16,761 --> 00:43:21,307
they came up with that sort of magical
sort of deadly green ball from outer space

748
00:43:21,432 --> 00:43:23,976
as a way of sort of linking
the stories together.

749
00:43:24,393 --> 00:43:27,563
Someone always finds me.

750
00:43:31,734 --> 00:43:35,446
My favorite sequence in heavy
metal is den.

751
00:43:36,572 --> 00:43:38,573
Can I slit his throat,
your majesty?

752
00:43:38,574 --> 00:43:40,576
Yes.

753
00:43:40,993 --> 00:43:42,661
I liked the heavy metal magazine.

754
00:43:42,662 --> 00:43:45,873
It's an actually an adept
recreation of that vibe.

755
00:43:45,915 --> 00:43:47,415
And if I refuse?

756
00:43:47,416 --> 00:43:51,212
If you refuse, you die.
She dies. Everybody dies.

757
00:43:51,254 --> 00:43:53,256
Sounded reasonable to me.

758
00:43:53,631 --> 00:43:56,383
The 8-1? Bomber that crashes on
the island with the zombies,

759
00:43:56,384 --> 00:43:58,928
that's probably my favorite individual
vignette from the film.

760
00:43:58,970 --> 00:44:00,972
Nose dive!

761
00:44:01,389 --> 00:44:02,973
The two space pilots

762
00:44:02,974 --> 00:44:05,476
that get high on the space,
cocaine is also a funny one.

763
00:44:12,358 --> 00:44:13,317
Taarna,

764
00:44:13,318 --> 00:44:17,488
as a huge moebius fan, I wanted to
sort of give him all due respect.

765
00:44:21,617 --> 00:44:23,619
Maybe she wants to fight.

766
00:44:27,248 --> 00:44:29,250
I want her dead!!!

767
00:44:29,667 --> 00:44:30,376
What I remember

768
00:44:30,377 --> 00:44:32,545
about heavy metal
is the music in that film.

769
00:44:33,546 --> 00:44:36,591
All of the bands
that have a song in that film,

770
00:44:36,757 --> 00:44:40,760
I have cranked that soundtrack
so many times over the years.

771
00:44:40,761 --> 00:44:42,513
I wore out so many cassette tapes.

772
00:44:44,932 --> 00:44:48,101
Yeah, the future is now pretty
well illustrated by musk

773
00:44:48,102 --> 00:44:52,023
sticking a Tesla into space, like
the opening of the heavy metal movie.

774
00:44:53,524 --> 00:44:57,402
I wish we could have finished it
in a slightly more complete way, I mean,

775
00:44:57,403 --> 00:45:01,490
we were working under the gun in terms
of timetable, in terms of budget,

776
00:45:01,616 --> 00:45:06,037
but I'm still quite taken
by how still effective it was.

777
00:45:10,791 --> 00:45:12,834
I think we were just
really ahead of the curve

778
00:45:12,835 --> 00:45:14,545
in all sorts of ways.

779
00:45:14,587 --> 00:45:16,588
Okay, sucker. Hand over your cash!

780
00:45:16,589 --> 00:45:18,591
Now!

781
00:45:28,684 --> 00:45:29,352
One of the ways

782
00:45:29,353 --> 00:45:32,104
you can say whether a film
has succeeded or failed

783
00:45:32,855 --> 00:45:36,149
is can you imagine
a life for the characters

784
00:45:36,150 --> 00:45:39,819
and the movie itself
beyond the frame you've seen.

785
00:45:39,820 --> 00:45:44,283
World building became enormously
important during '803 science fiction.

786
00:45:45,201 --> 00:45:48,663
So you have concept design
and production design.

787
00:45:48,746 --> 00:45:53,334
You have to go and build interiors,
build these kind of planets

788
00:45:53,668 --> 00:45:58,047
physically on sets, and
creating locations that work.

789
00:45:58,547 --> 00:46:01,217
You have concept designed around

790
00:46:01,842 --> 00:46:06,555
props and imagined future technology.

791
00:46:07,765 --> 00:46:12,812
Present day idea is extrapolated, and this
thing goes on into, of course, costume,

792
00:46:13,104 --> 00:46:16,440
how do spaceships
move and travel in the future.

793
00:46:18,150 --> 00:46:19,484
It's the natural evolution

794
00:46:19,485 --> 00:46:22,821
of a storyteller to think beyond
the things that inspire them,

795
00:46:22,822 --> 00:46:27,451
imagining the possibilities
of taking it to the next step.

796
00:46:28,786 --> 00:46:30,495
For directors like Spielberg

797
00:46:30,496 --> 00:46:35,084
and Cameron and Ridley Scott,
this became almost a challenge

798
00:46:35,584 --> 00:46:39,922
to create an accurate picture
of the future in different ways.

799
00:46:40,172 --> 00:46:43,426
Make you know, a straightfonnard
film extraordinary.

800
00:46:43,467 --> 00:46:45,428
Something's there.

801
00:46:45,636 --> 00:46:49,681
I love the worlds that existed
in all of these science fiction movies,

802
00:46:49,682 --> 00:46:53,102
and I wanted to explore
them as fully as I could.

803
00:46:56,188 --> 00:46:58,064
Very satisfying to work
on pictures like that

804
00:46:58,065 --> 00:47:02,153
where you bring a whole universe
to life for a film audience.

805
00:47:02,486 --> 00:47:04,487
Usually when I'm hired,

806
00:47:04,488 --> 00:47:06,490
nobody else is hired
except for the director,

807
00:47:06,615 --> 00:47:11,329
and we start discussing the script and I
hire illustrators and storyboard artists.

808
00:47:11,662 --> 00:47:13,998
We start to develop
a look for the picture,

809
00:47:14,206 --> 00:47:17,418
which is very important
because he can see his vision now

810
00:47:17,710 --> 00:47:21,171
of what this picture is and
the studio, they start to see,

811
00:47:21,172 --> 00:47:23,966
"wow, this is where our 100 million
dollars is going to go.

812
00:47:24,008 --> 00:47:26,344
We're going to have
that". And they get excited.

813
00:47:29,221 --> 00:47:32,265
Something that is, of course,
hugely important in science fiction

814
00:47:32,266 --> 00:47:35,268
because it doesn't exist anywhere
around us, are the visual

815
00:47:35,269 --> 00:47:38,480
designers, the guys that decide,
what the buildings, what the landscape

816
00:47:38,481 --> 00:47:41,566
should look like, the objects,
the spaceships, the creatures.

817
00:47:41,567 --> 00:47:43,069
It's all choices.

818
00:47:44,236 --> 00:47:49,241
Syd mead, Ron Cobb, Ralph mcquarrie,
just the visionaries of science fiction,

819
00:47:50,076 --> 00:47:52,870
and they have dreamt up
so many iconic things.

820
00:47:54,705 --> 00:47:58,625
They're quite instrumental
in bringing life to a lot of

821
00:47:58,626 --> 00:48:01,545
what goes on on the screen.

822
00:48:04,590 --> 00:48:06,716
In science fiction, a lot of the things

823
00:48:06,717 --> 00:48:09,803
that you're going to see
are visual effects, those things don't

824
00:48:09,804 --> 00:48:14,225
exist in reality, you know,
warp drives and spinners.

825
00:48:14,475 --> 00:48:18,104
So we have to invent
sounds that don't exist in reality.

826
00:48:20,773 --> 00:48:25,403
My job is to ensure that you hear
everything that you do see.

827
00:48:25,444 --> 00:48:27,405
Did you see that?!

828
00:48:28,823 --> 00:48:29,989
It's really

829
00:48:29,990 --> 00:48:33,077
the sound underneath it
coming up out of the floor

830
00:48:33,411 --> 00:48:37,373
and shaking you to your core.

831
00:48:38,040 --> 00:48:41,001
That's all encompassed in this term
I call universe building.

832
00:48:41,210 --> 00:48:44,755
I need to create the Sonic universe
that we take for granted,

833
00:48:44,922 --> 00:48:48,216
such that when you go to the cinema,
you feel as though you're

834
00:48:48,217 --> 00:48:53,264
in a believable environment,
even if it's in an unbelievable context.

835
00:48:57,143 --> 00:48:59,894
The genius of star wars,
is it just imbued character

836
00:48:59,895 --> 00:49:04,107
into everything, into its planets,
into cities, into its characters,

837
00:49:04,108 --> 00:49:08,654
obviously, nothing star wars touched
didn't involve character and feel.

838
00:49:09,113 --> 00:49:12,741
So the falcon, which is the heart
of all great movie spaceships,

839
00:49:13,284 --> 00:49:15,619
became an extension of Han Solo.

840
00:49:15,661 --> 00:49:19,039
She may not look like much,
but she's go it where it counts, kid.

841
00:49:19,081 --> 00:49:21,083
I've made a lot of special
modifications myself.

842
00:49:21,500 --> 00:49:23,418
And then you have the complete opposite

843
00:49:23,419 --> 00:49:26,547
end with films like mad Max

844
00:49:27,173 --> 00:49:30,885
and their version
of spacecraft is a vehicle.

845
00:49:35,598 --> 00:49:36,807
Weapons.

846
00:49:37,766 --> 00:49:41,437
The classic ones in star wars
are the blaster versus the lightsaber,

847
00:49:41,687 --> 00:49:44,647
the lightsaber represents
the old order of kind of grace

848
00:49:44,648 --> 00:49:45,773
from the past.

849
00:49:45,774 --> 00:49:47,776
An elegant weapon

850
00:49:47,818 --> 00:49:49,820
for a more civilized age.

851
00:49:50,946 --> 00:49:52,197
Then you have James Cameron,

852
00:49:52,198 --> 00:49:56,076
you know, he's about the
physicality of armament.

853
00:49:58,662 --> 00:50:00,955
And you go to something like Star Trek.

854
00:50:00,956 --> 00:50:05,753
It's a cleaner universe,
and all the uniforms are kind of coded

855
00:50:06,170 --> 00:50:08,964
by rank, so it's much more about

856
00:50:09,006 --> 00:50:11,884
a military organization.

857
00:50:14,345 --> 00:50:18,807
Costumes, of course, are a great
ingredient of science fiction.

858
00:50:19,016 --> 00:50:22,978
I mean, the opportunity they give
to costume designers to imagine

859
00:50:23,145 --> 00:50:27,107
the impossible, a wonderful
opportunity to be creative.

860
00:50:27,483 --> 00:50:30,736
None of the work that any of
us do is the end result.

861
00:50:31,028 --> 00:50:31,445
None of it.

862
00:50:31,446 --> 00:50:34,073
It all is part of a process

863
00:50:34,448 --> 00:50:37,451
and we're all in this together.

864
00:50:37,660 --> 00:50:41,163
These brilliant filmmakers
give us amazing, astonishing work,

865
00:50:41,372 --> 00:50:44,458
but our brains will build much more
than they can possibly do,

866
00:50:44,875 --> 00:50:46,019
and that's what they should be doing.

867
00:50:46,043 --> 00:50:49,755
They're kind of lighting a match to a
touch paper and going, okay, off you go.

868
00:50:49,964 --> 00:50:53,007
You know, dream up the
other elements of this world.

869
00:50:53,008 --> 00:50:55,803
Imagine for yourselves
what these planets are like.

870
00:50:58,097 --> 00:51:00,181
They are the things that stay with you.

871
00:51:00,182 --> 00:51:03,644
What's going on on
the other side of the door?

872
00:51:10,317 --> 00:51:11,901
If you're a movie geek
and you don't understand

873
00:51:11,902 --> 00:51:15,531
the significance of 1982, you have
to turn in your movie nerd card.

874
00:51:28,085 --> 00:51:29,586
The post-apocalyptic genre

875
00:51:29,587 --> 00:51:31,922
is pretty much defined by
the mad Max movies.

876
00:51:32,756 --> 00:51:35,426
The road warrior.

877
00:51:38,095 --> 00:51:41,599
A kind of harsher, cooler
vision of science fiction,

878
00:51:41,724 --> 00:51:44,767
it's like a western.
Barren world where petrol

879
00:51:44,768 --> 00:51:46,687
is the only commodity.

880
00:51:46,729 --> 00:51:49,731
Just walk away.
Give me your pump,

881
00:51:49,732 --> 00:51:53,527
the oil, the gasoline,
and the whole compound.

882
00:51:53,736 --> 00:51:55,821
They did what they needed
to do to survive.

883
00:51:59,325 --> 00:51:59,992
They were working

884
00:51:59,993 --> 00:52:03,078
in a genre of picture called
the exploitation picture.

885
00:52:03,329 --> 00:52:05,246
That's how they got funded.

886
00:52:05,247 --> 00:52:08,500
Action, adventure,
exploding cars, violence,

887
00:52:08,751 --> 00:52:13,047
mayhem and the low budget seemed
to be a challenge rather than an obstacle.

888
00:52:13,547 --> 00:52:18,594
I am really attracted to that sort
of bootstrapping kind of storytelling.

889
00:52:18,636 --> 00:52:20,638
Good dog. Nice doggy.

890
00:52:24,475 --> 00:52:26,602
George Miller is an amazing director.

891
00:52:27,144 --> 00:52:31,732
George had built a universe,
this dystopian future

892
00:52:31,774 --> 00:52:34,484
that mad Max lived within.

893
00:52:34,485 --> 00:52:36,487
You want to get out of here?

894
00:52:36,528 --> 00:52:38,530
You talk to me.

895
00:52:39,031 --> 00:52:41,325
George had flashed it all out.

896
00:52:46,246 --> 00:52:49,749
It's not just a matter of going out
and shooting a lot of cars being flipped

897
00:52:49,750 --> 00:52:53,127
and people dressed up strangely
and mohawk bikers running

898
00:52:53,128 --> 00:52:55,047
round and screaming.

899
00:52:56,924 --> 00:52:57,924
There was a definite

900
00:52:57,925 --> 00:53:00,511
heart to everything that George
did in that movie.

901
00:53:01,261 --> 00:53:04,390
George Miller gave me all
the tools that I needed

902
00:53:04,765 --> 00:53:07,809
to be wez, and I'm
nothing like that character.

903
00:53:07,810 --> 00:53:11,855
I mean, there's no way in god's
earth that I can ever be wez.

904
00:53:12,147 --> 00:53:15,900
You! You can run
but you can't hide!

905
00:53:15,901 --> 00:53:17,068
They always used to say to me,

906
00:53:17,069 --> 00:53:19,822
“just do it at 150%, we can
bring it down to 100."

907
00:53:25,536 --> 00:53:28,706
What he wanted was this punk
rock version of science fiction.

908
00:53:29,081 --> 00:53:31,625
It's unthinkable that a
mad Max film would do what

909
00:53:31,750 --> 00:53:35,421
a fast and furious film does
and just throw in cgi.

910
00:53:35,462 --> 00:53:38,632
Now they worry about us knowing
the stunts we've done for real

911
00:53:39,007 --> 00:53:42,094
and that kind of sense of
violence that came with that.

912
00:53:46,056 --> 00:53:47,348
We didn't use any

913
00:53:47,349 --> 00:53:50,352
special effects of that one
that was in camera.

914
00:53:55,399 --> 00:53:58,193
Safety was a Paramount concern.

915
00:53:58,235 --> 00:54:01,195
The vehicle I'm climbing onto,
which has 16 wheels,

916
00:54:01,196 --> 00:54:03,741
is going to run over me if I slip.

917
00:54:04,533 --> 00:54:06,910
One of the stunt guys that was
on it would just grab me.

918
00:54:09,163 --> 00:54:11,373
For a decade, that was
all about the future

919
00:54:11,582 --> 00:54:14,251
and tech and computers and sci fi.

920
00:54:14,835 --> 00:54:16,627
It's stripped all of that away.

921
00:54:16,628 --> 00:54:17,504
It's very prescient if you look at where
we're going with the climate crisis.

922
00:54:17,505 --> 00:54:21,424
If you look at where we're going
with the climate crisis and how tribalism

923
00:54:21,425 --> 00:54:23,802
is sort of already taking root
and people are picking sides.

924
00:54:23,844 --> 00:54:25,804
You have defied me!

925
00:54:25,846 --> 00:54:27,848
You will know the vengeance of
the lord humungus!

926
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:34,521
Road warrior was a warning
of where we were headed.

927
00:54:34,980 --> 00:54:37,816
They weren't just doing a film,
they were out there

928
00:54:38,567 --> 00:54:41,987
showing people the dysfunction
that we were headed for.

929
00:54:45,616 --> 00:54:46,867
That we're there.

930
00:54:57,836 --> 00:54:59,962
When star wars came out,

931
00:54:59,963 --> 00:55:03,090
my dad was saying, "I think we're going
to get a call from Paramount

932
00:55:03,091 --> 00:55:04,425
and they're going to want us back.

933
00:55:04,426 --> 00:55:05,969
Wait and see."

934
00:55:11,975 --> 00:55:15,270
To dad, the motion picture was a
disappointing film on a number of levels.

935
00:55:15,813 --> 00:55:18,356
Star Trek is not as visionary as 2001.

936
00:55:18,357 --> 00:55:19,982
It's not as exuberant as star wars.

937
00:55:19,983 --> 00:55:24,445
Most of the industry thought that
after the poor reception of the first star

938
00:55:24,446 --> 00:55:28,951
trek film, that was going to be pretty
much the end of the franchise.

939
00:55:31,954 --> 00:55:35,249
It wasn't until the Nick meyer showed
up, that things got back on track.

940
00:55:35,582 --> 00:55:38,168
Star Trek ll

941
00:55:38,502 --> 00:55:41,505
the wrath of Khan

942
00:55:41,547 --> 00:55:44,091
a lot of my choices

943
00:55:44,633 --> 00:55:48,929
were kind of in reaction to
Star Trek the motion picture,

944
00:55:49,179 --> 00:55:52,975
I wanted things to be more
confined, more submarine like.

945
00:55:53,100 --> 00:55:55,102
Torpedo's ready, sir.

946
00:55:57,813 --> 00:56:00,357
Star Trek ii was classic storytelling.

947
00:56:05,404 --> 00:56:07,530
You had a wonderful actor,

948
00:56:07,531 --> 00:56:09,575
Ricardo montalban, Khan.

949
00:56:11,410 --> 00:56:13,412
Why?

950
00:56:13,662 --> 00:56:16,247
Yes, he was a little bit over the top.

951
00:56:16,248 --> 00:56:19,750
But it called for that.

952
00:56:19,751 --> 00:56:22,128
And, you know, bill is no slouch
when it comes

953
00:56:22,129 --> 00:56:25,132
to emoting.

954
00:56:25,173 --> 00:56:26,091
Khan!!!

955
00:56:26,133 --> 00:56:30,094
They were a great combination.
The unstoppable force

956
00:56:30,095 --> 00:56:31,221
and the immovable object.

957
00:56:31,263 --> 00:56:33,265
They're locking phasers.
Raise shields. Fire!

958
00:56:34,474 --> 00:56:35,642
Higher!

959
00:56:35,684 --> 00:56:36,726
And that's what you want.

960
00:56:36,727 --> 00:56:38,228
You want that kind of friction.

961
00:56:38,270 --> 00:56:40,272
Higher.

962
00:56:41,690 --> 00:56:43,691
Higher.

963
00:56:43,692 --> 00:56:47,528
They were always at each other's throats.

964
00:56:47,529 --> 00:56:50,991
With terrific character
building and terrific storytelling.

965
00:56:51,283 --> 00:56:54,368
I didn't think we could do better.

966
00:56:54,369 --> 00:56:56,371
And who do we have here?

967
00:56:56,413 --> 00:56:58,474
Midshipman first class. Peter
Preston, engineer's mate, sir!

968
00:56:58,498 --> 00:57:02,169
It was the most tension thick
set I've ever been on.

969
00:57:03,086 --> 00:57:06,964
It was a big film because of
the risk Paramount was taking,

970
00:57:06,965 --> 00:57:10,552
even doing the second film
given how the first one was received.

971
00:57:10,594 --> 00:57:12,678
As a matter of cosmic history,

972
00:57:12,679 --> 00:57:15,724
it has always been easier
to destroy than to create.

973
00:57:15,849 --> 00:57:18,393
Bill was always acting like kirk.

974
00:57:18,644 --> 00:57:20,144
He paraded around the set.

975
00:57:20,145 --> 00:57:23,856
He seemed pompous all the time, and
I just realized that he was just trying

976
00:57:23,857 --> 00:57:27,401
to stay in character, and I think Leonard
was doing very much the same thing.

977
00:57:27,402 --> 00:57:29,404
Any chance to go
aboard the enterprise.

978
00:57:31,281 --> 00:57:33,575
George takei was my favorite.

979
00:57:33,784 --> 00:57:38,205
Every single time George was finished
shooting, the door would burst open.

980
00:57:38,372 --> 00:57:41,792
All of a sudden we would hear
"sulu got his close up today.“

981
00:57:42,042 --> 00:57:46,630
and posture like - like a superhero,
"sulu looked pensively to the right today",

982
00:57:47,297 --> 00:57:52,344
creating some levity on the set, which was
desperately, desperately, desperately

983
00:57:52,427 --> 00:57:53,220
needed.

984
00:57:53,221 --> 00:57:55,722
I need warp speed in three
minutes or we're all dead.

985
00:57:56,515 --> 00:58:01,228
Finding out that Spock actually
does die was ovennhelming.

986
00:58:01,269 --> 00:58:03,062
I thought they can't do this.

987
00:58:03,063 --> 00:58:05,815
They can't do this.
But before the film came out,

988
00:58:05,816 --> 00:58:09,361
everybody knew
that Spock was going to die.

989
00:58:09,778 --> 00:58:13,865
We started getting threats about
"if Spock dies, you die."

990
00:58:14,282 --> 00:58:16,910
This is all before the Internet,
so how people heard about this

991
00:58:17,119 --> 00:58:18,620
I have no idea.

992
00:58:18,662 --> 00:58:20,664
The idea of this demise of Spock,

993
00:58:20,831 --> 00:58:23,040
which dad just thought was
an interesting idea dramatically,

994
00:58:23,041 --> 00:58:25,961
he wasn't even thinking
about the repercussions.

995
00:58:26,169 --> 00:58:28,421
They thought that maybe this
was going to be the last film.

996
00:58:28,422 --> 00:58:30,608
They're going to be two films
and then be done with the franchise.

997
00:58:30,632 --> 00:58:32,634
Live long, and prosper.

998
00:58:37,514 --> 00:58:38,390
He had

999
00:58:38,391 --> 00:58:41,476
much misgivings after that and regret.

1000
00:58:44,438 --> 00:58:46,690
Oh, by the end, it was like, whoa.

1001
00:58:47,065 --> 00:58:49,401
Spock is really going to be dead.

1002
00:58:49,943 --> 00:58:52,571
And I said,
"hell yeah, he's got to be dead.

1003
00:58:52,779 --> 00:58:56,490
Othennise, we've taken advantage
of thousands of people for whom

1004
00:58:56,491 --> 00:58:57,992
this is really important stuff.

1005
00:58:57,993 --> 00:59:01,329
And we're going to say at the end
'oh folks, it was just a dry hustle.'"

1006
00:59:01,747 --> 00:59:03,414
that's terrible.

1007
00:59:03,415 --> 00:59:05,625
And I fought it tooth and nail,

1008
00:59:05,834 --> 00:59:09,046
that coffin on the planet,

1009
00:59:09,212 --> 00:59:12,089
and I think I was probably wrong.

1010
00:59:12,090 --> 00:59:14,008
Death was never really death,

1011
00:59:14,009 --> 00:59:19,014
it was always one eye on the box office
in the next incarnation of it.

1012
00:59:19,056 --> 00:59:22,184
I always kind of looked
down my nose at that.

1013
00:59:22,934 --> 00:59:25,478
There's plenty of room.

1014
00:59:25,479 --> 00:59:27,773
They asked me if I wanted
to do Star Trek ill.

1015
00:59:27,939 --> 00:59:30,233
And I said, "what is that
going to be about?"

1016
00:59:30,525 --> 00:59:33,570
And they said, "well, it's about,
you know, Spock comes back", I go

1017
00:59:35,238 --> 00:59:36,531
"resurrection.

1018
00:59:36,573 --> 00:59:38,909
I don't think I know
how to do resurrection."

1019
00:59:39,493 --> 00:59:40,994
So I didn't do it.

1020
00:59:47,042 --> 00:59:49,544
There was a very personal,

1021
00:59:49,586 --> 00:59:53,964
intimate nature to a lot of the
very grandiose storytelling

1022
00:59:53,965 --> 00:59:58,470
in the '803, and it was that contrast
that often made them work.

1023
00:59:58,970 --> 01:00:01,389
A lot of that can be
attributed to Spielberg.

1024
01:00:01,431 --> 01:00:07,229
Steven Spielberg's et.
The extra terrestrial.

1025
01:00:07,813 --> 01:00:11,942
E.t., especially when
you're a child, is such

1026
01:00:12,150 --> 01:00:15,487
a roller coaster because you go through
so many different emotions.

1027
01:00:15,529 --> 01:00:17,197
Can you say e.T.?

1028
01:00:21,785 --> 01:00:24,454
Definitely a tear jerker.

1029
01:00:26,498 --> 01:00:27,749
Eliot.

1030
01:00:27,791 --> 01:00:29,125
When he is hugging
him and saying

1031
01:00:29,126 --> 01:00:32,712
goodbye, I'm crying, I'm crying.

1032
01:00:34,339 --> 01:00:38,343
I cry every time I see it, every time.

1033
01:00:39,010 --> 01:00:43,264
This was supposed to be Steven's
little film in between

1034
01:00:43,265 --> 01:00:45,142
all his big blockbusters.

1035
01:00:45,183 --> 01:00:48,270
All of his films are actually
intensely personal films.

1036
01:00:48,603 --> 01:00:50,605
He grew up in a broken home.

1037
01:00:50,647 --> 01:00:55,110
His father left, his parents got divorced,
it had a very traumatic effect on him.

1038
01:00:55,485 --> 01:00:57,779
He's making personal films
about his own life,

1039
01:00:58,238 --> 01:01:01,158
just that the kind of
canvas is a bigger one.

1040
01:01:03,994 --> 01:01:06,203
Everything was changing

1041
01:01:06,204 --> 01:01:09,666
at that time within our
society, around the family.

1042
01:01:10,792 --> 01:01:14,963
I'm proud that I was able to portray

1043
01:01:15,422 --> 01:01:17,631
one of those four strong mothers.

1044
01:01:17,632 --> 01:01:19,634
Mommy, he can talk!

1045
01:01:19,676 --> 01:01:23,763
Of course he can talk. I'll be right back,
in 10 minutes. Stay there.

1046
01:01:24,890 --> 01:01:27,142
I felt like I was honoring my own mom.

1047
01:01:31,021 --> 01:01:34,482
Steven, in a lot of ways is a child.

1048
01:01:35,108 --> 01:01:40,238
That's why I think he responds
and understands the kids

1049
01:01:40,572 --> 01:01:42,574
so well.

1050
01:01:42,616 --> 01:01:45,493
Only little kids can see him.

1051
01:01:45,535 --> 01:01:46,578
Give me a break.

1052
01:01:46,620 --> 01:01:50,289
There are certain movies
that are just so raw and honest

1053
01:01:50,290 --> 01:01:53,501
in their interpretation of youth,
and the kid ensemble in e.T.

1054
01:01:53,543 --> 01:01:55,003
Is one of those.

1055
01:01:55,045 --> 01:01:57,046
E.t. Found home.

1056
01:01:57,047 --> 01:01:59,049
My god, he's talking now.

1057
01:01:59,758 --> 01:02:01,091
We used Reese's pieces

1058
01:02:01,092 --> 01:02:05,597
instead of M&M's, because
M&M's turned us down,

1059
01:02:05,972 --> 01:02:09,476
and said "we don't think
we want to be involved with an alien.“

1060
01:02:10,101 --> 01:02:11,477
oh my god.

1061
01:02:11,478 --> 01:02:13,772
Would you wanted to be the guy at M&M's

1062
01:02:14,439 --> 01:02:17,192
who turned down e.T.

1063
01:02:17,525 --> 01:02:20,527
Back in the '803, there were
these latchkey kids

1064
01:02:20,528 --> 01:02:25,033
where you were allowed to go
out and run through the forest.

1065
01:02:25,158 --> 01:02:27,035
"Back by sunset, darling."

1066
01:02:27,077 --> 01:02:28,328
Definitely a different time.

1067
01:02:29,454 --> 01:02:30,454
Suburbia,

1068
01:02:30,455 --> 01:02:34,167
your parents were not around
you, involved in your world.

1069
01:02:34,209 --> 01:02:38,213
The adults were these just these things
out there outside of the frame.

1070
01:02:38,255 --> 01:02:40,257
No TV.

1071
01:02:41,258 --> 01:02:44,176
The scene where Henry walks down

1072
01:02:44,177 --> 01:02:49,182
and is showing e.T. All the toys,
Steven said, "bring all your toys."

1073
01:02:49,557 --> 01:02:52,143
So those were all Henry's real toys.

1074
01:02:53,645 --> 01:02:56,606
I think jaws was probably placed in there.

1075
01:02:56,648 --> 01:03:01,444
The shark eats the fish.
Nobody eats the shark.

1076
01:03:01,486 --> 01:03:02,695
I distinctly

1077
01:03:02,696 --> 01:03:07,075
remember the first day
I walked onto the sound stage.

1078
01:03:07,575 --> 01:03:09,326
There was a connection.

1079
01:03:09,327 --> 01:03:11,746
Steven did the voice when we shot.

1080
01:03:13,373 --> 01:03:17,334
Drew was very young, she really couldn't

1081
01:03:17,335 --> 01:03:21,214
distinguish the difference
between reality and fantasy.

1082
01:03:21,339 --> 01:03:24,259
We would put et. In a corner
when he wasn't working well,

1083
01:03:24,301 --> 01:03:26,218
she would be over talking to him.

1084
01:03:26,219 --> 01:03:29,389
So Steven had two guys

1085
01:03:30,056 --> 01:03:32,975
whose job it was to at all times

1086
01:03:32,976 --> 01:03:37,522
be on e.T. Patrol so that
he could come alive and gertie

1087
01:03:37,605 --> 01:03:41,276
would still not have
to suspend that, that belief.

1088
01:03:44,112 --> 01:03:45,904
We have to shoot his death scene.

1089
01:03:45,905 --> 01:03:49,284
I stooped down and I said, "hi drew.

1090
01:03:49,367 --> 01:03:53,371
We're going to go shoot the scene
where e.T. Is dying,

1091
01:03:53,830 --> 01:03:58,084
but e.T. Is just acting like
we're acting, right?

1092
01:03:58,126 --> 01:03:59,376
He's not really dying."

1093
01:03:59,377 --> 01:04:01,337
She goes, "I know, Dee.

1094
01:04:01,338 --> 01:04:03,756
Do you think I'm stupid?"

1095
01:04:03,757 --> 01:04:07,426
So I picked her up and we walked in.

1096
01:04:07,427 --> 01:04:11,097
She took one look at e.T,

1097
01:04:11,181 --> 01:04:13,682
and went, "he's dying!"

1098
01:04:13,683 --> 01:04:15,976
Steven's going, "roll it, roll it."

1099
01:04:15,977 --> 01:04:17,979
Clear!

1100
01:04:18,021 --> 01:04:19,689
We're losing him!

1101
01:04:19,731 --> 01:04:21,648
The message of the film itself

1102
01:04:21,649 --> 01:04:25,153
was all about love
and friendship and connection.

1103
01:04:25,779 --> 01:04:30,492
It surpasses our brains
and goes straight to our heart.

1104
01:04:31,451 --> 01:04:33,202
The audience was ready for it.

1105
01:04:33,203 --> 01:04:35,621
The world was ready for it.

1106
01:04:35,622 --> 01:04:39,333
And literally, it's our generation's

1107
01:04:39,334 --> 01:04:41,044
wizard of oz.

1108
01:04:45,131 --> 01:04:46,925
Right

1109
01:04:47,133 --> 01:04:49,135
here.

1110
01:04:57,477 --> 01:04:58,560
The thing about blade runner

1111
01:04:58,561 --> 01:05:02,148
that is so powerful for me
is just the visual storytelling.

1112
01:05:04,943 --> 01:05:07,487
The production design,
the cinematography,

1113
01:05:07,737 --> 01:05:10,614
the choreography is so outstanding,

1114
01:05:10,615 --> 01:05:12,784
it's so beautiful.

1115
01:05:15,537 --> 01:05:16,745
It looks really cool,

1116
01:05:16,746 --> 01:05:20,125
but it is everything we
have warned you against.

1117
01:05:20,166 --> 01:05:22,168
A new life awaits you
in the off-world colonies.

1118
01:05:24,337 --> 01:05:25,754
Ridley Scott's brother,

1119
01:05:25,755 --> 01:05:29,300
frank, had died, and one of the reasons
Ridley Scott made blade runner

1120
01:05:29,843 --> 01:05:32,720
because he was trying to work
his grief out, the only way he knew

1121
01:05:33,054 --> 01:05:36,558
which was making a film.
So it was going to be imbued with

1122
01:05:36,683 --> 01:05:38,726
that darkness.

1123
01:05:38,768 --> 01:05:42,230
Replicants are like any other machine.
They're either a benefit or a hazard.

1124
01:05:42,272 --> 01:05:44,774
If they're a benefit it's not my problem.

1125
01:05:44,899 --> 01:05:47,193
It's about our own life spans.

1126
01:05:47,235 --> 01:05:50,196
You were made as well
as we could make you.

1127
01:05:50,238 --> 01:05:52,240
But not to last.

1128
01:05:52,282 --> 01:05:54,951
The light that burns twice
as bright, burns half as long.

1129
01:05:55,034 --> 01:05:58,328
If we create a slave race,
does that make us god,

1130
01:05:58,329 --> 01:06:00,790
what is our moral duty to that?

1131
01:06:00,874 --> 01:06:02,876
What makes us human? Is it memory?

1132
01:06:04,002 --> 01:06:07,839
Incredibly detailed
themes about existence.

1133
01:06:07,881 --> 01:06:09,841
How can it not know what it is?

1134
01:06:09,883 --> 01:06:12,803
Commerce is our goal here at Tyrell. 'More
human than human' is our motto.

1135
01:06:15,054 --> 01:06:18,224
I love the replicants.

1136
01:06:18,266 --> 01:06:20,268
I think, Sebastian,
therefore I am.

1137
01:06:21,144 --> 01:06:23,687
Because they're the most
human characters in the film.

1138
01:06:23,688 --> 01:06:26,274
They've got the most life to them,
and it's kind of an irony.

1139
01:06:26,316 --> 01:06:29,902
My birthday is April 10, 2017.
How long do I live?

1140
01:06:29,903 --> 01:06:30,862
Four years.

1141
01:06:30,904 --> 01:06:33,948
Something is very human about
them, self-preservation,

1142
01:06:33,990 --> 01:06:38,369
wanting to matter,
beyond the role as the slave

1143
01:06:38,495 --> 01:06:41,915
or as a second class citizen,
I mean, this really is

1144
01:06:42,165 --> 01:06:43,917
anecdotal.

1145
01:06:44,250 --> 01:06:46,461
You think I'm a replicant, don't you?

1146
01:06:47,629 --> 01:06:49,671
I felt that my character, Rachel,

1147
01:06:49,672 --> 01:06:52,050
was the heart and soul of that picture.

1148
01:06:52,091 --> 01:06:54,093
You play beautifully.

1149
01:06:57,138 --> 01:07:00,349
Walking in to do blade runner,
I thought I was going to meet

1150
01:07:00,350 --> 01:07:04,729
Han Solo. Harrison could be funny
on a dime if he wanted to be.

1151
01:07:05,021 --> 01:07:07,356
But he doesn't take prisoners.

1152
01:07:07,357 --> 01:07:08,858
He say you blade runner.

1153
01:07:08,900 --> 01:07:10,902
Tell him I'm eating.

1154
01:07:12,779 --> 01:07:15,864
Rediker had a certain
sort of dynamo personality,

1155
01:07:15,865 --> 01:07:19,701
and the character did as well,
and one of my favorite lines is after

1156
01:07:19,702 --> 01:07:22,956
he gets hit in the head, he goes,
"that's the spirit!" You know.

1157
01:07:22,997 --> 01:07:24,958
That's the spirit!

1158
01:07:25,041 --> 01:07:28,878
And he made it very iconic.

1159
01:07:28,920 --> 01:07:30,397
Quite an experience to
live in fear, isn't it?

1160
01:07:30,421 --> 01:07:33,383
I said to Ridley, why the unicorn?

1161
01:07:33,591 --> 01:07:34,008
And he says, “well,

1162
01:07:34,009 --> 01:07:37,220
I think I'm going to make another movie
after this about unicorns.

1163
01:07:37,345 --> 01:07:41,891
And I don't think this character is
really human and I think he's not human."

1164
01:07:42,141 --> 01:07:44,727
And I went, "really?"

1165
01:07:45,186 --> 01:07:48,605
I don't think they ended up
making that the case because I don't think

1166
01:07:48,606 --> 01:07:52,569
the executives felt that you could have
a leading man that wasn't human.

1167
01:07:52,819 --> 01:07:55,655
I remember seeing blade
runner at a theater

1168
01:07:55,738 --> 01:07:59,075
thinking to myself, my god,
what is that narration?

1169
01:07:59,284 --> 01:08:00,451
It's horrible.

1170
01:08:00,493 --> 01:08:05,873
They don't advertise for killers in the
newspaper. That was my profession.

1171
01:08:05,915 --> 01:08:06,749
Ex-cop.

1172
01:08:06,791 --> 01:08:08,208
It looked like somebody had

1173
01:08:08,209 --> 01:08:10,712
fooled around with it
other than a director.

1174
01:08:10,753 --> 01:08:13,839
Replicants weren't
supposed to have feelings.

1175
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:15,842
Neither were blade runners.

1176
01:08:15,883 --> 01:08:17,969
Ridley Scott shared with me

1177
01:08:18,094 --> 01:08:21,514
the studio was so concerned
that no one was going to know

1178
01:08:21,598 --> 01:08:24,600
what kind of movie they
were watching, that they insisted

1179
01:08:24,601 --> 01:08:26,936
that he put the narration
up at the beginning.

1180
01:08:27,687 --> 01:08:29,229
This is what he said to me.

1181
01:08:29,230 --> 01:08:33,900
He and Harrison conspired with each other
to make it the worst piece of narration

1182
01:08:33,901 --> 01:08:37,738
they could possibly record
in order to get the studio to say,

1183
01:08:37,739 --> 01:08:40,073
"we can't even use this,
it's just so awful."

1184
01:08:40,074 --> 01:08:42,994
The report would be 'routine
retirement of a replicant'.

1185
01:08:43,036 --> 01:08:46,914
Which didn't make me feel any bettter
about shooting a woman in the back.

1186
01:08:47,957 --> 01:08:49,499
But they ended up using it.

1187
01:08:49,500 --> 01:08:52,920
The precedent hadn't been set
for a film like blade runner.

1188
01:08:53,338 --> 01:08:55,632
I think that was
probably ahead of its time.

1189
01:08:55,757 --> 01:08:58,134
That's sort of the brilliant
part about Ridley,

1190
01:08:58,176 --> 01:09:02,596
he's constantly thinking and imagining
and gripping things up in his mind,

1191
01:09:02,597 --> 01:09:05,223
and that's what makes him
the artist that he is.

1192
01:09:05,224 --> 01:09:07,143
His brain went there.

1193
01:09:07,185 --> 01:09:09,186
Like

1194
01:09:09,187 --> 01:09:11,189
tears

1195
01:09:12,398 --> 01:09:14,400
in rain.

1196
01:09:20,198 --> 01:09:22,199
The good guys always win!

1197
01:09:22,200 --> 01:09:24,202
Even in the '803.

1198
01:09:26,537 --> 01:09:27,579
Ace hunter,

1199
01:09:27,580 --> 01:09:29,999
who I played was just
the ultimate good guy.

1200
01:09:30,667 --> 01:09:33,628
Hal needham always said it's very simple.

1201
01:09:33,920 --> 01:09:36,422
It's the good guys against the bad guys.

1202
01:09:36,673 --> 01:09:41,803
The original script was more like
a real shoot em up, gi. Joe,

1203
01:09:42,387 --> 01:09:44,305
you know, slaughter the
enemy kind of movie.

1204
01:09:44,389 --> 01:09:46,849
And hal said, "no, no, I don't
want to do that."

1205
01:09:46,891 --> 01:09:50,352
You can't go up against blade
runner with megaforce

1206
01:09:50,353 --> 01:09:53,480
and think that you're going to
have that same audience.

1207
01:09:53,481 --> 01:09:55,817
You know, our audience was
twelve year olds.

1208
01:10:03,658 --> 01:10:09,372
Mattel toys was very influential in
terms of how these vehicles

1209
01:10:09,956 --> 01:10:12,041
would be designed, colors and shapes.

1210
01:10:12,083 --> 01:10:15,044
Primary objective, is to trick
guerera to cross the border,

1211
01:10:15,086 --> 01:10:18,089
bringing him in your territory at
a predetermined time and place.

1212
01:10:18,923 --> 01:10:19,799
Hal needham,

1213
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:23,177
his wife saw me in pirates
of penzance on stage,

1214
01:10:23,636 --> 01:10:27,765
and she went home and said to hal,
“I've got your ace hunter right here."

1215
01:10:28,474 --> 01:10:31,893
When they offered me the part,
we had to make ace hunter

1216
01:10:31,894 --> 01:10:35,565
look exactly like the pirate king
in the pirates of penzance,

1217
01:10:36,315 --> 01:10:41,528
from the headband to the
beard to the hair, this sort of swagger

1218
01:10:41,529 --> 01:10:47,910
and slightly over-the-top superhero
attitude which I like to call overacting.

1219
01:10:57,170 --> 01:10:58,045
The ace hunter

1220
01:10:58,046 --> 01:11:01,674
outfits and all of the outfits
were designed by mattel toys.

1221
01:11:02,049 --> 01:11:04,801
There wasn't a costume
designer on this movie,

1222
01:11:04,802 --> 01:11:07,054
which is so totally unusual.

1223
01:11:08,264 --> 01:11:10,600
Spandex, right?

1224
01:11:13,436 --> 01:11:16,481
I think I was stoned most of the time,
if you want to know the truth.

1225
01:11:16,647 --> 01:11:19,650
And then the ad would come
tap me on the shoulder and say,

1226
01:11:19,859 --> 01:11:21,902
"oh, listen, we need you in an hour."

1227
01:11:21,903 --> 01:11:25,198
Just pour me in the outfit.

1228
01:11:25,615 --> 01:11:29,368
My guys so international in their makeup.

1229
01:11:29,827 --> 01:11:33,915
All the characters in megaforce
were one dimensional characters.

1230
01:11:34,248 --> 01:11:37,125
And that's part of the fun of it,
because that's what makes it

1231
01:11:37,126 --> 01:11:39,879
that sort of cartoon.

1232
01:11:39,921 --> 01:11:42,041
But I'll tell you son, we did
raise some kind of hell!

1233
01:11:42,548 --> 01:11:45,843
Edward mulhare, probably better
known aftennards for knight rider,

1234
01:11:46,302 --> 01:11:50,723
putting it together that international
fighting for his secretively.

1235
01:11:50,765 --> 01:11:52,517
He probably didn't pay his taxes.

1236
01:11:54,435 --> 01:11:56,938
And persis khambatta played Zara.

1237
01:11:57,396 --> 01:11:59,816
It's too bad that she
wasn't prettier. Huh?

1238
01:12:01,275 --> 01:12:03,568
Jesus, she was gorgeous

1239
01:12:03,569 --> 01:12:06,072
and she had her hair.

1240
01:12:06,113 --> 01:12:08,074
Kirk unit.

1241
01:12:08,115 --> 01:12:08,741
Kirk unit.

1242
01:12:08,783 --> 01:12:10,575
I always thought
we were going to make

1243
01:12:10,576 --> 01:12:15,206
a megaforce ii and a megaforce III.
When megaforce I took a dump,

1244
01:12:15,832 --> 01:12:18,416
we never got to the point of that.

1245
01:12:18,417 --> 01:12:23,881
Megaforce deeds, not words I think was
going to be the name of the second one.

1246
01:12:23,923 --> 01:12:27,635
The script is still out there somewhere.

1247
01:12:30,429 --> 01:12:33,557
When anybody mentions megaforce,
they just make fun of it.

1248
01:12:33,558 --> 01:12:36,686
You never make a movie thinking
it's going to be a cult movie.

1249
01:12:37,144 --> 01:12:40,063
Who even knew about cult movies
when we were doing

1250
01:12:40,064 --> 01:12:43,401
rocky horror picture show?

1251
01:12:43,734 --> 01:12:47,196
It's not Hamlet, for god sakes.

1252
01:12:57,206 --> 01:12:59,208
Tron

1253
01:13:01,127 --> 01:13:02,294
he is a programmer,

1254
01:13:02,295 --> 01:13:06,007
but he gets sucked into this world
and ends up taking the whole system down.

1255
01:13:06,465 --> 01:13:08,342
Woo hoo. Little guy.

1256
01:13:09,302 --> 01:13:10,760
What a concept.

1257
01:13:10,761 --> 01:13:13,055
What if we went down in there
and it was actually a world?

1258
01:13:16,976 --> 01:13:19,019
I auditioned for star wars.

1259
01:13:19,020 --> 01:13:20,770
I didn't get that one.

1260
01:13:20,771 --> 01:13:25,234
I looked at this and I said, well, it
kind of looks like space. Okay.

1261
01:13:26,027 --> 01:13:28,195
I felt a part of a pioneering effort.

1262
01:13:29,113 --> 01:13:32,992
And Steven lisberger, the creator
of this, I call him Yoda.

1263
01:13:34,035 --> 01:13:36,161
Everything was hanging on this.

1264
01:13:36,162 --> 01:13:38,663
That's a lot of responsibility.

1265
01:13:38,664 --> 01:13:42,209
We could miserably fail.

1266
01:13:42,919 --> 01:13:45,922
Or we could wildly succeed.

1267
01:13:45,963 --> 01:13:50,384
If you look at the performances
by Jeff Bridges, Bruce boxleitner,

1268
01:13:50,426 --> 01:13:56,223
Cindy Morgan, who had to
act in front of nothing.

1269
01:13:57,558 --> 01:13:59,059
So what am I looking at?

1270
01:13:59,060 --> 01:14:01,312
Okay, you're looking at the solar sailer.

1271
01:14:01,562 --> 01:14:03,230
Here's a sketch.

1272
01:14:06,901 --> 01:14:08,276
We wore hockey

1273
01:14:08,277 --> 01:14:11,405
helmets and motocross shoulder pads.

1274
01:14:11,822 --> 01:14:14,325
We were wearing what a male
ballet dancer would wear.

1275
01:14:14,617 --> 01:14:17,995
It was probably the early
thong, male thong.

1276
01:14:21,332 --> 01:14:22,374
Tron was a warrior.

1277
01:14:22,375 --> 01:14:24,335
He dominated the game grid.

1278
01:14:24,377 --> 01:14:26,378
Who's that guy?

1279
01:14:26,379 --> 01:14:28,381
That's tron. He fights
for the users.

1280
01:14:30,216 --> 01:14:34,511
I would get my frisbee
and we'd play with our discs like

1281
01:14:34,512 --> 01:14:37,765
just the battles and stuff and
pretend I had a light cycle.

1282
01:14:40,893 --> 01:14:42,686
They loved the light cycles.

1283
01:14:42,687 --> 01:14:43,687
I never saw it.

1284
01:14:43,688 --> 01:14:47,066
It was a stick in front
of me with a crossbar.

1285
01:14:47,733 --> 01:14:50,778
We were all standing there
and they kind of

1286
01:14:50,903 --> 01:14:51,779
we bent over.

1287
01:14:51,780 --> 01:14:53,155
And that was it.

1288
01:14:53,280 --> 01:14:56,575
And I did the whole chase like that.

1289
01:14:58,494 --> 01:15:00,997
Finish the game!

1290
01:15:02,456 --> 01:15:05,126
David Warner, who played the villain sark,

1291
01:15:05,751 --> 01:15:09,046
who I had to have my final big battle
with, was not a physical guy.

1292
01:15:11,257 --> 01:15:13,926
So he had to be doubled
through most of it.

1293
01:15:18,514 --> 01:15:20,056
People were encouraged

1294
01:15:20,057 --> 01:15:22,852
to put what they call easter eggs.

1295
01:15:23,394 --> 01:15:27,648
One of the compositors
had put in pac-man.

1296
01:15:27,773 --> 01:15:29,357
We loved it.

1297
01:15:29,358 --> 01:15:32,737
The solar sailer
going over the landscape

1298
01:15:32,945 --> 01:15:35,698
and seeing the outline of Mickey mouse.

1299
01:15:36,198 --> 01:15:37,908
What a great idea.

1300
01:15:38,617 --> 01:15:39,951
Alan

1301
01:15:39,952 --> 01:15:41,954
where did you hear that name?

1302
01:15:41,996 --> 01:15:43,788
Well, that's your name, isn't it?

1303
01:15:43,789 --> 01:15:45,207
Name of my user.

1304
01:15:45,416 --> 01:15:49,754
There's a theological element
to tron from the perspective

1305
01:15:49,795 --> 01:15:52,839
of the programs inside the
computer, and that question is,

1306
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:55,176
are the users real?

1307
01:15:55,217 --> 01:15:57,178
The user even wrote you!

1308
01:15:57,219 --> 01:15:59,579
No one user wrote me. I'm worth
millions of their man-years.

1309
01:16:00,014 --> 01:16:02,975
Should we believe in the users

1310
01:16:03,309 --> 01:16:06,854
and use it to resist the oppression
of the master control program?

1311
01:16:06,979 --> 01:16:10,648
It becomes this meditation
on faith, where science

1312
01:16:10,649 --> 01:16:13,444
and theology collide.

1313
01:16:13,486 --> 01:16:15,446
If you are a user.

1314
01:16:15,488 --> 01:16:18,074
And everything you've done has
been according to the plan, right?

1315
01:16:18,115 --> 01:16:19,658
You wish.

1316
01:16:19,700 --> 01:16:22,535
When I saw the final product,

1317
01:16:22,536 --> 01:16:24,872
I felt like a proud father.

1318
01:16:25,498 --> 01:16:29,251
And it was basically f you
to the rest of Hollywood.

1319
01:16:29,752 --> 01:16:31,961
You thought we couldn't do it?

1320
01:16:31,962 --> 01:16:32,630
Yeah.

1321
01:16:32,631 --> 01:16:34,673
Well, how do you like us now?

1322
01:16:36,300 --> 01:16:38,134
For those kids

1323
01:16:38,135 --> 01:16:40,763
in all those arcades throughout
the country, in the world,

1324
01:16:41,305 --> 01:16:45,476
they got it, and I knew then
that we had a revolutionary thing.

1325
01:16:45,851 --> 01:16:49,355
It's not going to be appreciated
now, but it will be.

1326
01:16:49,396 --> 01:16:51,357
End of line.

1327
01:16:58,364 --> 01:17:00,115
The moviegoing experience

1328
01:17:00,116 --> 01:17:05,913
became something that started way before
you could actually go see the movie,

1329
01:17:05,955 --> 01:17:09,667
a movie is a productjust
like Coca-Cola is a product.

1330
01:17:09,708 --> 01:17:11,710
I did it again.
Catch the wave. Coke.

1331
01:17:12,461 --> 01:17:15,046
It's putting the name in your head

1332
01:17:15,047 --> 01:17:19,218
so that you will think about it
and feel interested in it.

1333
01:17:19,510 --> 01:17:20,677
You have to remember

1334
01:17:20,678 --> 01:17:25,182
if it's at all possible, that in the 1980s
there was no such thing as the Internet.

1335
01:17:25,391 --> 01:17:30,270
What we knew of future films
was given to us by the lobby of the cinema

1336
01:17:30,271 --> 01:17:33,149
where we were currently
going to see a film.

1337
01:17:36,610 --> 01:17:38,194
And it was a thrilling thing.

1338
01:17:38,195 --> 01:17:40,530
There was that little moment
where you looked at the poster

1339
01:17:40,531 --> 01:17:44,201
and you started to make the film
in your head as you looked at it.

1340
01:17:44,410 --> 01:17:45,952
All we had to go on was the title,

1341
01:17:45,953 --> 01:17:50,957
the tagline and the imagery.
I remember that first great image

1342
01:17:50,958 --> 01:17:55,087
from star wars: Luke holding
the lightsabers evocative of medieval,

1343
01:17:55,379 --> 01:17:58,632
whether it's the Tom young version
or the hildebrandt brothers version.

1344
01:17:58,883 --> 01:18:01,718
It was such a powerful
image, and still is.

1345
01:18:01,719 --> 01:18:03,095
Back in those days,

1346
01:18:03,137 --> 01:18:05,806
movie posters were
legitimate works of art.

1347
01:18:07,558 --> 01:18:08,766
Now we know them.

1348
01:18:08,767 --> 01:18:11,729
You know, it's
kind of great range of artists.

1349
01:18:12,146 --> 01:18:15,274
Bob peak who did all the Star Trek
posters, drew struzan,

1350
01:18:15,357 --> 01:18:16,441
who's now a legend.

1351
01:18:16,442 --> 01:18:19,111
And Robert mcginnis
and John purkey and others.

1352
01:18:19,320 --> 01:18:23,072
It's a great range of artists
who have become cult

1353
01:18:23,073 --> 01:18:25,826
figures and the whole idea of
science fiction poster art

1354
01:18:26,160 --> 01:18:29,705
has become a collectible
and desirable in its own right.

1355
01:18:31,707 --> 01:18:32,916
Brilliant marketing,

1356
01:18:32,917 --> 01:18:38,005
the Michelangelo picture
has so much meaning to us.

1357
01:18:38,047 --> 01:18:41,967
I thought it was a brilliant
representation of that.

1358
01:18:42,885 --> 01:18:45,596
Tron was a poster
that was very important to me.

1359
01:18:45,721 --> 01:18:46,930
Great visual idea.

1360
01:18:46,931 --> 01:18:49,683
The thing had a fabulous poster.

1361
01:18:50,643 --> 01:18:52,769
For me, really, the next level

1362
01:18:52,770 --> 01:18:57,815
in terms of poster art is the vhs box,
because when you went into into

1363
01:18:57,816 --> 01:19:01,195
video stores, that's what you
were using to make your choices.

1364
01:19:02,947 --> 01:19:05,448
A movie that had been playing
to crickets in theaters

1365
01:19:05,449 --> 01:19:08,369
was now a movie that people thought,
'oh, this must have been a big hit.'

1366
01:19:08,619 --> 01:19:12,247
I think partly because of the appeal of
what was on the box. That transformed

1367
01:19:12,248 --> 01:19:15,584
what people remember about
the success of these pictures.

1368
01:19:15,626 --> 01:19:16,961
What a distance!

1369
01:19:17,002 --> 01:19:21,507
If you weren't alive in the '803,
you will never know the unbelievable

1370
01:19:21,674 --> 01:19:24,676
high stakes selection

1371
01:19:24,677 --> 01:19:27,721
process at the video store.

1372
01:19:28,097 --> 01:19:31,307
You kind of flipped it around and looked
at some of the words in the background

1373
01:19:31,308 --> 01:19:34,727
and read maybe a few of them and looked
at some of the quotes, "two thumbs up

1374
01:19:34,728 --> 01:19:35,937
Roger ebert", you know?

1375
01:19:35,938 --> 01:19:40,442
But it was the image on the front
that made you excited and our hunger

1376
01:19:40,901 --> 01:19:44,321
not only to know
about the worlds of the film,

1377
01:19:44,697 --> 01:19:48,951
but also to know about how they made
the worlds of the film began to grow.

1378
01:19:50,035 --> 01:19:50,953
The audience was

1379
01:19:50,954 --> 01:19:54,581
very intelligent, and I said,
"I think we can do a magazine

1380
01:19:54,915 --> 01:19:59,127
that will target people like me
that have been a science fiction fan

1381
01:19:59,128 --> 01:20:03,215
since I was a kid that really covered
all the stuff that I love."

1382
01:20:03,882 --> 01:20:06,302
Geeks grew not out of necessarily

1383
01:20:06,385 --> 01:20:10,556
wanting to be Luke Skywalker, but
because they wanted to be George Lucas.

1384
01:20:11,265 --> 01:20:14,727
They wanted to become filmmakers,
and they wanted to understand film

1385
01:20:15,019 --> 01:20:16,770
as much about the story it told.

1386
01:20:16,812 --> 01:20:20,607
But the story that went on behind
the scenes as well, and this expanded

1387
01:20:20,649 --> 01:20:23,861
across the 19803.

1388
01:20:23,986 --> 01:20:28,531
I told George Lucas, when I met him,
"your movie made my magazine a success

1389
01:20:28,532 --> 01:20:31,784
because when it came out,
suddenly the whole audience

1390
01:20:31,785 --> 01:20:35,246
for science fiction came alive.

1391
01:20:35,247 --> 01:20:37,123
They want to know

1392
01:20:37,124 --> 01:20:40,210
facts, information, knowledge.

1393
01:20:40,377 --> 01:20:42,004
That's what we were giving them."

1394
01:20:42,963 --> 01:20:45,132
The starlog, cinefantastique,

1395
01:20:45,466 --> 01:20:48,802
cinefex is very much hard
core making of.

1396
01:20:48,844 --> 01:20:50,262
Premiere.

1397
01:20:50,596 --> 01:20:54,850
Then in 1989 in britain, empire was born,
which I went on to work for.

1398
01:20:56,226 --> 01:20:58,478
One of the things I did at lucasfilm

1399
01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:04,609
was I started and oversaw
the first few years of the official

1400
01:21:04,610 --> 01:21:09,615
star wars fan club, and for far less
money than it cost us to operate,

1401
01:21:09,656 --> 01:21:14,577
you could join and we sent out
a membership kit with an exclusive poster

1402
01:21:14,578 --> 01:21:20,250
and photographs and stuff, and a quarterly
newsletter called bantha tracks.

1403
01:21:20,459 --> 01:21:22,961
We wanted to keep fans
interested and happy.

1404
01:21:23,796 --> 01:21:26,215
Fandom developed around these magazines.

1405
01:21:26,715 --> 01:21:30,177
We created a place for the reader to come

1406
01:21:30,552 --> 01:21:35,099
and pour out their geekdom
and be amongst like minded people.

1407
01:21:35,432 --> 01:21:40,478
There was a point in the '803 when the
marketing and the product placement

1408
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:44,441
and the sort of eye towards what
these films were going to do beyond

1409
01:21:44,691 --> 01:21:49,029
when you left, the theater would
sometimes overtake the movie themselves.

1410
01:21:49,238 --> 01:21:51,240
Don't you worry.

1411
01:21:54,993 --> 01:21:56,994
Suddenly, you've got

1412
01:21:56,995 --> 01:21:59,623
songs from movies
that are on billboard charts.

1413
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:03,543
Ray Parker Jr. from ghostbusters,
that was so fantastic.

1414
01:22:03,544 --> 01:22:06,255
If there's something strange
in your neighborhood

1415
01:22:07,131 --> 01:22:09,340
mtv, they would take a
song from the movie

1416
01:22:09,341 --> 01:22:11,927
and make a video,
and it made it really fun.

1417
01:22:11,969 --> 01:22:13,971
- Who you gonna call?
- Ghostbusters!

1418
01:22:14,221 --> 01:22:15,097
You associated

1419
01:22:15,098 --> 01:22:17,975
all those things together
and then you wanted to see the movie.

1420
01:22:19,059 --> 01:22:21,186
It was kind of incredible marketing.

1421
01:22:21,228 --> 01:22:23,229
Look at the stereo.

1422
01:22:23,230 --> 01:22:25,250
No, no, no, don't touch it.
It's not a stereo, it's -

1423
01:22:25,274 --> 01:22:25,983
what is it?

1424
01:22:26,024 --> 01:22:28,569
And this is how films grew in our heads.

1425
01:22:28,694 --> 01:22:31,696
It was a way of enticing you
in. These days, they're much more

1426
01:22:31,697 --> 01:22:35,284
like an accompaniment
of the whole hype machine.

1427
01:22:35,617 --> 01:22:37,326
But we didn't know what hype was.

1428
01:22:37,327 --> 01:22:40,747
I mean, we experienced it without
putting a name on it back in the '80s

1429
01:22:40,873 --> 01:22:45,585
so that's all part of our
advertising and publicity.

1430
01:22:45,586 --> 01:22:47,336
It just makes sense.

1431
01:22:47,337 --> 01:22:49,381
Who's going to want to go see this movie?

1432
01:22:49,548 --> 01:22:51,425
Let's let them know about it.

1433
01:22:52,134 --> 01:22:54,344
I'd buy that for a dollar!

1434
01:23:07,733 --> 01:23:09,734
Spacehunter

1435
01:23:09,735 --> 01:23:11,737
adventures in the forbidden zone

1436
01:23:11,778 --> 01:23:13,780
in 3-d

1437
01:23:14,323 --> 01:23:18,618
so the first big 3-d science fiction
movie of the '80s was spacehunter

1438
01:23:18,619 --> 01:23:20,746
adventures in the forbidden zone.

1439
01:23:24,625 --> 01:23:27,126
For some reason, all of these '803

1440
01:23:27,127 --> 01:23:30,756
3-d sci fi movies have
really long, wordy titles.

1441
01:23:31,924 --> 01:23:35,302
I remember seeing a lot of these
'8033-d movies in the theater.

1442
01:23:35,594 --> 01:23:38,597
I was their target audience.

1443
01:23:38,889 --> 01:23:41,266
I was the one who sort of pitched

1444
01:23:41,308 --> 01:23:44,353
doing it in 3-d.

1445
01:23:44,686 --> 01:23:47,314
I thought the title was right.

1446
01:23:48,440 --> 01:23:51,527
It is the kind of science
fiction exploitation movie

1447
01:23:51,652 --> 01:23:55,030
that was popular at the time.

1448
01:23:57,824 --> 01:23:59,492
Three women have crashed

1449
01:23:59,493 --> 01:24:03,247
landed on this planet
and they get captured.

1450
01:24:06,917 --> 01:24:07,876
Michael Ironside

1451
01:24:07,877 --> 01:24:10,963
is the villain in this film,
his role is the over dog.

1452
01:24:11,046 --> 01:24:15,383
I imagine he hated the makeup process,
but enjoyed the scenery eating.

1453
01:24:15,384 --> 01:24:18,387
Ah, you can't hurt me.

1454
01:24:18,428 --> 01:24:21,306
But I can hurt you.

1455
01:24:21,348 --> 01:24:24,643
Peter Strauss plays the pilot,
the Han Solo knockoff character.

1456
01:24:24,685 --> 01:24:26,353
Whatever you say, Princess.

1457
01:24:26,395 --> 01:24:29,647
Molly ringwald, who at this point in
time is very pre-brat pack plays

1458
01:24:29,648 --> 01:24:32,985
Niki, a sort of an urchin pain
in the butt character.

1459
01:24:33,026 --> 01:24:34,987
What the hell are you?

1460
01:24:35,028 --> 01:24:38,031
What do you think I am, you
scrawny earthbag? I'm a woman!

1461
01:24:38,073 --> 01:24:40,449
A pre ghostbusters, Ernie
Hudson is in this movie

1462
01:24:40,450 --> 01:24:44,580
as a rival smuggler slash
pilot, opportunistic guy, and they end up

1463
01:24:44,746 --> 01:24:47,165
one up in each other through the film
before coming together.

1464
01:24:47,207 --> 01:24:50,168
Just look at it.
Look at what you did!

1465
01:24:51,420 --> 01:24:53,213
It's ruined!

1466
01:24:53,338 --> 01:24:56,341
There's a lot of location shooting,
some very impressive landscapes.

1467
01:24:56,466 --> 01:24:59,428
They really make it look bigger
than it has any right to be.

1468
01:25:01,722 --> 01:25:03,180
John LaFleur was the young

1469
01:25:03,181 --> 01:25:07,227
Canadian filmmaker
that sort of invented this story

1470
01:25:07,352 --> 01:25:11,064
initially, but he had very
little film experience.

1471
01:25:11,440 --> 01:25:15,861
He fell behind very quickly
and we had to make a change

1472
01:25:16,445 --> 01:25:18,697
in our filmmakers and
we found lamont Johnson.

1473
01:25:19,573 --> 01:25:22,951
His concept was to try to make it
as realistic as possible

1474
01:25:23,368 --> 01:25:26,830
and sort of didn't take
advantage of the fun of it.

1475
01:25:30,459 --> 01:25:33,211
I felt that spacehunter was
a little bit of a lost

1476
01:25:33,253 --> 01:25:38,424
opportunity finally, given the cast and
the concept and the re-use of native 3-d.

1477
01:25:38,425 --> 01:25:42,471
Using two cameras,
using two projectors to show it

1478
01:25:43,096 --> 01:25:45,557
kind of impossible
from a commercial standpoint

1479
01:25:45,891 --> 01:25:47,350
in terms of exhibition.

1480
01:25:47,351 --> 01:25:48,893
But it really looked beautiful

1481
01:25:48,894 --> 01:25:52,814
when you could see it
in its original form.

1482
01:25:52,856 --> 01:25:54,816
Lift the gates! Begin!

1483
01:25:59,988 --> 01:26:00,530
Star wars

1484
01:26:00,531 --> 01:26:02,783
had this wonderful level of authenticity.

1485
01:26:04,368 --> 01:26:07,579
Just required a lot less
of that suspension of disbelief.

1486
01:26:07,663 --> 01:26:09,748
That was a real revolution
in storytelling.

1487
01:26:11,041 --> 01:26:13,501
What cinema could do and
storytelling could do,

1488
01:26:13,502 --> 01:26:17,546
and the connection with the audience
can do, was absolutely at its height.

1489
01:26:17,547 --> 01:26:22,052
I think that even for Lucas, the
expectation became unattainably high.

1490
01:26:26,723 --> 01:26:27,683
There's stuff in jedi

1491
01:26:27,684 --> 01:26:30,894
that is absolutely masterful
that I have really fond memories of.

1492
01:26:33,980 --> 01:26:35,982
Get alongside that one.

1493
01:26:36,024 --> 01:26:37,316
The chase through the forest,

1494
01:26:37,317 --> 01:26:41,196
which is like an epic piece of cinema.

1495
01:26:41,988 --> 01:26:45,283
I love that sequence so much.

1496
01:26:49,121 --> 01:26:52,874
I did go see return of the jedi
23 times in the theater.

1497
01:26:54,000 --> 01:26:57,545
The sarlacc pit and jabba's
is going to throw them all in there,

1498
01:26:57,546 --> 01:26:59,756
but Luke's got the plan with r2.

1499
01:27:07,347 --> 01:27:08,723
You'd think that there would have been

1500
01:27:08,724 --> 01:27:12,394
this big battle with Boba Fett
and someone and han, right?

1501
01:27:12,436 --> 01:27:18,108
He just gets like accidentally rocket
packed into the side of jabba's

1502
01:27:18,150 --> 01:27:20,192
big space cruiser.

1503
01:27:20,193 --> 01:27:22,195
And becomes a burp joke.

1504
01:27:24,823 --> 01:27:25,782
Boba Fett

1505
01:27:25,783 --> 01:27:30,370
first showed up in the star wars
holiday special in the animated sequence.

1506
01:27:32,456 --> 01:27:36,917
He was supposed to be the main villain

1507
01:27:36,918 --> 01:27:41,465
in the movie that turned out
to be called return of the jedi.

1508
01:27:41,506 --> 01:27:46,470
It was all going to be about
chasing boba, rescuing Han Solo.

1509
01:27:46,720 --> 01:27:50,806
But during the making
of empire, George decided

1510
01:27:50,807 --> 01:27:55,020
he did not want to make
more star wars movies.

1511
01:27:55,479 --> 01:27:58,314
I was sitting with him
in a sound mixing room,

1512
01:27:58,315 --> 01:28:01,859
and he told me that he'd made
this decision and was going to end,

1513
01:28:01,860 --> 01:28:05,530
and that's why he was going
to condense the third trilogy

1514
01:28:06,031 --> 01:28:09,826
and the redemption of Darth Vader
into return of the jedi.

1515
01:28:11,703 --> 01:28:13,204
And then, boba

1516
01:28:13,205 --> 01:28:15,915
he went from going to be a big star

1517
01:28:15,916 --> 01:28:19,211
to an afterthought.

1518
01:28:19,753 --> 01:28:21,754
When we came onto the set,

1519
01:28:21,755 --> 01:28:24,424
they had these shirts
that said blue harvest.

1520
01:28:25,634 --> 01:28:30,180
Sort of like just a distraction
for the local people that they wouldn't

1521
01:28:30,388 --> 01:28:32,724
find out that we were
doing a star wars movie

1522
01:28:32,933 --> 01:28:36,560
the first time we go out to dinner
and Carrie Fisher, Mark Hamill, my father,

1523
01:28:36,561 --> 01:28:38,604
you know, Harrison Ford,
are having dinner together.

1524
01:28:38,605 --> 01:28:41,191
They're going to figure it out real quick.

1525
01:28:41,566 --> 01:28:44,194
Corey and I have always
been very, very close.

1526
01:28:44,528 --> 01:28:47,197
He traveled a lot with
me whenever I did movies,

1527
01:28:47,656 --> 01:28:50,200
stood in for me.

1528
01:28:50,575 --> 01:28:53,035
The opportunity to be
a part of the star wars

1529
01:28:53,036 --> 01:28:55,664
franchise was - couldn't overlook that.

1530
01:28:58,416 --> 01:29:00,459
When he fell into the pit,

1531
01:29:00,460 --> 01:29:03,672
han is trying to shoot
the tentacle off of his leg.

1532
01:29:03,713 --> 01:29:07,092
An explosive charge went
off and went into his foot.

1533
01:29:08,635 --> 01:29:10,135
And burned his foot,

1534
01:29:10,136 --> 01:29:13,849
so they put me in lando's
outfit, they hung me over the side.

1535
01:29:13,890 --> 01:29:16,330
They didn't tell me all these
explosions were going to happen.

1536
01:29:16,434 --> 01:29:18,478
I guess they got a
genuine reaction out of me.

1537
01:29:18,979 --> 01:29:23,066
And then they needed someone
to put on klaatu's mask.

1538
01:29:23,483 --> 01:29:24,942
He was just a random creature.

1539
01:29:24,943 --> 01:29:28,320
He was going to run towards
Skywalker, get into a quick skirmish,

1540
01:29:28,321 --> 01:29:30,782
and I couldn't see a thing.

1541
01:29:31,867 --> 01:29:34,619
It was sort of like a random
last minute thing.

1542
01:29:34,870 --> 01:29:36,997
And here I am, an action figure.

1543
01:29:39,749 --> 01:29:41,250
The big battle at the end,

1544
01:29:41,251 --> 01:29:45,380
the death star and then everyone
on endor waiting for, you know, han

1545
01:29:45,547 --> 01:29:48,925
will get that shield down,
we got to give him more time.

1546
01:29:49,217 --> 01:29:51,343
Go Billy Dee.

1547
01:29:51,344 --> 01:29:53,054
We've got to give him more time.

1548
01:29:53,096 --> 01:29:55,347
I did seven stunts

1549
01:29:55,348 --> 01:29:59,226
for seven different ewoks.
Every time Dave tomlin,

1550
01:29:59,227 --> 01:30:03,106
who was the first assistant director
goes, “deep get into the suit.”

1551
01:30:03,273 --> 01:30:05,232
I said, "but I just got killed"

1552
01:30:05,233 --> 01:30:06,553
he said, "got to do another one."

1553
01:30:08,069 --> 01:30:10,447
When I watched jedi, I was like this.

1554
01:30:11,114 --> 01:30:14,868
Just leaning fonnard, and I think the true
moviegoers posture, right, like that.

1555
01:30:14,910 --> 01:30:16,952
So what we have here
is a linking of almost a child's

1556
01:30:16,953 --> 01:30:19,831
imagination with all the technology
at the command of a movie maker.

1557
01:30:20,373 --> 01:30:25,336
These movies take us from childhood
into an era where we're growing up.

1558
01:30:25,337 --> 01:30:28,048
We're changing,
they're indelibly connected.

1559
01:30:28,757 --> 01:30:31,508
It was this huge part of my life.

1560
01:30:31,509 --> 01:30:33,719
We certainly never thought

1561
01:30:33,720 --> 01:30:36,431
we were going to get
any more of these movies.

1562
01:30:36,765 --> 01:30:42,561
What I think George Lucas did
amazingly was to show that it was possible

1563
01:30:42,562 --> 01:30:46,649
to execute these grand visions
with a level of believability

1564
01:30:46,650 --> 01:30:48,985
that was something
we haven't really seen before.

1565
01:30:51,738 --> 01:30:55,407
There are a lot of filmmakers
that were really inspired

1566
01:30:55,408 --> 01:30:58,411
and freed by what George
had done on star wars.

1567
01:30:58,787 --> 01:31:03,291
You got immersed into it and you
believed it and that was really wonderful.

1568
01:31:15,804 --> 01:31:19,307
Is this a game or is it real?

1569
01:31:19,349 --> 01:31:20,642
Wargames

1570
01:31:20,684 --> 01:31:23,436
what happens when you play a
thermonuclear war as a game,

1571
01:31:23,645 --> 01:31:27,107
but it actually connects to NORAD?

1572
01:31:28,066 --> 01:31:30,610
I love the what if of it.

1573
01:31:30,652 --> 01:31:33,822
I have seven, correction, eight, that's
eight redbirds two degrees past...

1574
01:31:35,281 --> 01:31:36,740
There was another film

1575
01:31:36,741 --> 01:31:38,952
before wargames, colossus.

1576
01:31:40,370 --> 01:31:43,747
The good guys, us have these
supercomputers, and the bad guys,

1577
01:31:43,748 --> 01:31:46,626
the Russians have these
supercomputers and they connected.

1578
01:31:47,752 --> 01:31:51,088
So all of a sudden,
this artificial intelligence started

1579
01:31:51,089 --> 01:31:54,008
to make decisions for us because
we're so immature and violent

1580
01:31:54,009 --> 01:31:54,592
and all that.

1581
01:31:54,634 --> 01:31:57,720
We will work together. Unwillingly at
first on your part. But that will pass.

1582
01:31:57,721 --> 01:31:59,723
But that will pass.

1583
01:32:00,557 --> 01:32:01,682
What a lot of these movies

1584
01:32:01,683 --> 01:32:04,644
were doing is trying to
hew as closely as they could

1585
01:32:05,145 --> 01:32:09,190
to things that might actually happen
and then play them out.

1586
01:32:09,441 --> 01:32:12,235
In the most frightening way
that they can think of.

1587
01:32:12,485 --> 01:32:14,612
They wanted it to look and feel real.

1588
01:32:14,654 --> 01:32:16,655
The whopper has only fought
world war ii! As a game

1589
01:32:16,656 --> 01:32:18,658
time and time again.

1590
01:32:20,702 --> 01:32:23,246
Wargames, it's a really
smart little movie.

1591
01:32:23,413 --> 01:32:28,292
What it took was the growing
fascination in the early 1980s

1592
01:32:28,293 --> 01:32:32,047
with computers, the home
computer became a thing.

1593
01:32:32,130 --> 01:32:35,466
They barely had 10k in them at the time,
but they were the most wonderful

1594
01:32:35,467 --> 01:32:36,217
things in the universe.

1595
01:32:36,259 --> 01:32:37,844
You're really in to computers, huh?

1596
01:32:37,886 --> 01:32:39,888
Yeah.

1597
01:32:41,473 --> 01:32:43,849
You could dial into a computer
and see stuff you weren't supposed to see.

1598
01:32:43,850 --> 01:32:46,102
Oh, oh yes.

1599
01:32:46,144 --> 01:32:48,104
What are you doing?

1600
01:32:48,146 --> 01:32:50,148
I'm changing your biology grade.

1601
01:32:50,190 --> 01:32:51,792
No, I don't want you to do that,
you're going to bet me in trouble.

1602
01:32:51,816 --> 01:32:52,816
Nobody can find out.

1603
01:32:53,109 --> 01:32:55,153
Forbidden knowledge, bring that on.

1604
01:32:56,696 --> 01:32:59,824
He was a great geek kid, Matthew
Broderick. The kid at home

1605
01:33:00,241 --> 01:33:05,662
can through the phone line, no less,
link up to some giant mainframe

1606
01:33:05,663 --> 01:33:09,000
that operates all of the
nuclear weapons in america.

1607
01:33:09,334 --> 01:33:11,836
This is kind of feasible
somehow in our brains.

1608
01:33:11,878 --> 01:33:13,378
This is what computers do.

1609
01:33:13,379 --> 01:33:15,423
And he could be starting world war III.

1610
01:33:15,465 --> 01:33:17,425
Shall we play a game?

1611
01:33:17,467 --> 01:33:19,469
How about global thermonuclear war?

1612
01:33:19,511 --> 01:33:22,631
Josh was trying to find the right code
so he could launch the missiles himself.

1613
01:33:23,431 --> 01:33:26,434
It's really suspenseful.

1614
01:33:28,561 --> 01:33:30,312
They're trying to divine

1615
01:33:30,313 --> 01:33:33,066
how to beat this supercomputer
at its own game.

1616
01:33:33,108 --> 01:33:35,109
Come on.

1617
01:33:35,110 --> 01:33:37,112
Learn, goddamn it!

1618
01:33:37,946 --> 01:33:40,781
It was science out of control film

1619
01:33:40,782 --> 01:33:44,160
but it keyed in to that permanent
fear that was going on.

1620
01:33:44,911 --> 01:33:47,330
Normal kids and nuclear threat.

1621
01:33:47,539 --> 01:33:49,707
I think I auditioned for
wargames about six times.

1622
01:33:50,458 --> 01:33:54,295
The original script was much
darker and much more scary,

1623
01:33:54,671 --> 01:33:58,550
and the guy was more of an isolated
kind of loner who worked at radioshack.

1624
01:34:00,635 --> 01:34:03,096
Wargames scared people so much

1625
01:34:03,304 --> 01:34:09,144
that there were actual computer
hackers who were put in jail.

1626
01:34:09,227 --> 01:34:13,565
Kevin mitnick was put in jail
and not given access to a payphone

1627
01:34:13,773 --> 01:34:17,401
because some idiot
senator believed that he could,

1628
01:34:17,402 --> 01:34:20,822
using his voice and a pay phone,
launch a nuclear missile.

1629
01:34:21,739 --> 01:34:24,534
You can watch wargames today,
particularly today,

1630
01:34:24,701 --> 01:34:30,665
as the nation is being hacked
by Russian operatives every 25 seconds.

1631
01:34:30,999 --> 01:34:33,334
And that movie don't seem silly at all.

1632
01:34:33,376 --> 01:34:35,336
How about a nice game of chess?

1633
01:34:44,053 --> 01:34:45,554
The Superman movies

1634
01:34:45,555 --> 01:34:48,600
are absolutely special to me.

1635
01:34:48,808 --> 01:34:52,770
Christopher reeve
was so phenomena! In the part.

1636
01:34:53,521 --> 01:34:58,400
Every time a franchise tries
to carry the story on, it's fraught with

1637
01:34:58,401 --> 01:34:59,777
difficulty.

1638
01:34:59,819 --> 01:35:03,406
This time is going to be
the best time of all.

1639
01:35:04,908 --> 01:35:06,909
Superman III encapsulates

1640
01:35:06,910 --> 01:35:10,788
so many different genres in one film.

1641
01:35:10,830 --> 01:35:11,748
Oh, I'm sorry.

1642
01:35:11,789 --> 01:35:14,459
It was a comedy vehicle for Richard pryor.

1643
01:35:14,792 --> 01:35:17,212
It was an action adventure Superman film.

1644
01:35:17,253 --> 01:35:21,049
It touched upon contemporary
technology of computers.

1645
01:35:21,090 --> 01:35:23,092
Getting down to business.

1646
01:35:25,136 --> 01:35:26,470
Richard had been in

1647
01:35:26,471 --> 01:35:28,848
some kind of hero with margot kidder.

1648
01:35:29,641 --> 01:35:33,603
Richard got a chance to do some
drama playing a returned Vietnam vet,

1649
01:35:33,978 --> 01:35:36,355
and he really was hoping
that he would get the chance

1650
01:35:36,356 --> 01:35:38,899
to do something like that
in Superman III.

1651
01:35:38,900 --> 01:35:42,695
But that's not what they
had in mind for him.

1652
01:35:45,114 --> 01:35:47,575
Robert Vaughn plays
the villain in the film

1653
01:35:48,117 --> 01:35:50,912
and puts Richard pryor's
character to work for him.

1654
01:35:50,954 --> 01:35:52,956
I asked you to kill a Superman.

1655
01:35:53,456 --> 01:35:57,459
And you're telling me you couldn't
even do that one simple thing.

1656
01:35:57,460 --> 01:35:59,503
Annette O'Toole playing Lana lang,

1657
01:35:59,504 --> 01:36:03,800
sort of replacing Lois Lane
as Superman, Clark's

1658
01:36:04,008 --> 01:36:06,260
love interest in the film.

1659
01:36:06,261 --> 01:36:07,762
Lois, say hello to Lana lang,

1660
01:36:07,804 --> 01:36:08,721
Smallville's newest
gift to Metropolis.

1661
01:36:08,763 --> 01:36:10,639
They were really trying to experiment

1662
01:36:10,640 --> 01:36:14,269
and dig deeper into who Superman was.

1663
01:36:15,895 --> 01:36:19,106
The part of the movie of going,
yeah, man, that's heavy, I don't

1664
01:36:19,107 --> 01:36:20,190
I don't know how you hold

1665
01:36:20,191 --> 01:36:24,112
the weight of the entire world
and everyone's fate in your hands,

1666
01:36:24,195 --> 01:36:28,365
as one being, I don't care how much
super strength you get from the sun.

1667
01:36:28,366 --> 01:36:32,119
Like, there's got to be a point
where you break, right?

1668
01:36:32,120 --> 01:36:33,288
Literally break in two.

1669
01:36:34,872 --> 01:36:35,665
We see

1670
01:36:35,666 --> 01:36:39,794
Superman, Chris reeve, Clark
Kent, battling his darker self.

1671
01:36:41,337 --> 01:36:43,714
Dealing with his demons, dealing
with who he is, dealing

1672
01:36:43,715 --> 01:36:46,301
with the weight of being Superman.

1673
01:36:47,802 --> 01:36:51,221
It was a very interesting
infusion of a different kind of

1674
01:36:51,222 --> 01:36:53,558
sci fi into a superhero movie.

1675
01:36:58,479 --> 01:37:00,773
A massive supercomputer at the end

1676
01:37:00,982 --> 01:37:04,777
that produces a cyborg,
which is absolutely terrifying.

1677
01:37:07,530 --> 01:37:10,532
The computer digging into her
arms, basically taking over

1678
01:37:10,533 --> 01:37:13,660
and turning her into a sort
of robot Android, it's

1679
01:37:13,661 --> 01:37:16,456
a very, very scary moment.

1680
01:37:16,706 --> 01:37:18,457
If you're young enough,
that could be pretty

1681
01:37:18,458 --> 01:37:20,585
damn traumatizing.

1682
01:37:23,129 --> 01:37:25,630
A lot of folks felt that the
real problem of the third

1683
01:37:25,631 --> 01:37:29,135
Superman film is that it did not live
inside the Superman universe at all.

1684
01:37:29,927 --> 01:37:33,138
Richard donner had wanted to
and worked on a script.

1685
01:37:33,139 --> 01:37:37,142
It involved brainiac and mxyzptlk
and all sorts of other characters

1686
01:37:37,143 --> 01:37:40,855
from the Superman universe,
including an introduction of Supergirl.

1687
01:37:41,981 --> 01:37:45,234
They came around to making
Richard and Superman buds.

1688
01:37:45,401 --> 01:37:46,401
They kind of give each other

1689
01:37:46,402 --> 01:37:50,156
five at the end of the movie,
which is very, very cool of Superman

1690
01:37:50,198 --> 01:37:53,450
back in the day. But the movie
itself just really didn't

1691
01:37:53,451 --> 01:37:54,577
come together.

1692
01:37:59,916 --> 01:38:01,666
Superman III,

1693
01:38:01,667 --> 01:38:04,045
not the best of the Superman films,

1694
01:38:04,295 --> 01:38:08,216
but it's better than Superman iv.

1695
01:38:20,395 --> 01:38:23,606
Strange invaders

1696
01:38:23,981 --> 01:38:28,277
I love the script of strange invaders.

1697
01:38:28,319 --> 01:38:30,571
I fell in love with it
the minute I read it.

1698
01:38:32,365 --> 01:38:34,116
Bill condon was the writer.

1699
01:38:34,117 --> 01:38:35,325
I always thought that bill

1700
01:38:35,326 --> 01:38:37,566
should have directed that film
and he had never directed.

1701
01:38:39,664 --> 01:38:41,832
So clever, so fun.

1702
01:38:41,833 --> 01:38:45,752
You know, a great send up of '50s
sci fi films, those little nods

1703
01:38:45,753 --> 01:38:47,796
to films were really
right there in the script.

1704
01:38:47,797 --> 01:38:50,507
I want you to look at them
and tell me if you see anything

1705
01:38:50,508 --> 01:38:53,344
that reminds you of the creature
you saw last night.

1706
01:38:53,678 --> 01:38:56,931
The picture of Spielberg, you know, is
this an alien, that's really my favorite.

1707
01:38:56,973 --> 01:39:02,353
I'm sorry, Mr. Bigelow, just a
little joke we have around here.

1708
01:39:03,229 --> 01:39:06,065
It's a film that doesn't take
itself too seriously.

1709
01:39:06,107 --> 01:39:11,112
According to what we have, no one
has lived in that town since 1958.

1710
01:39:11,237 --> 01:39:15,324
I do believe that for Paul le mat
it was probably the greatest challenge.

1711
01:39:15,658 --> 01:39:19,453
That particular role,
I don't think it was necessarily something

1712
01:39:19,454 --> 01:39:22,373
that he fell into very comfortably,

1713
01:39:22,790 --> 01:39:25,168
but we brought him along for the ride.

1714
01:39:25,585 --> 01:39:28,503
But I'm a scientist,
I know what I saw.

1715
01:39:28,504 --> 01:39:30,005
I loved my character.

1716
01:39:30,006 --> 01:39:33,968
You know, smoking the cigarets
and with a trashy newspaper.

1717
01:39:34,010 --> 01:39:38,473
Two-headed dogs, maybe.
But aliens are passe.

1718
01:39:38,556 --> 01:39:41,057
She's fun because there's
really no boundaries

1719
01:39:41,058 --> 01:39:42,685
with this character.

1720
01:39:42,727 --> 01:39:45,438
And there was an alien in my apartment
who gobbled up my soup.

1721
01:39:45,563 --> 01:39:46,314
It sounds ridiculous.

1722
01:39:46,355 --> 01:39:48,483
It was a kind of a no holds barred set.

1723
01:39:48,524 --> 01:39:51,819
I mean, there really wasn't
a lot of direction, if you will.

1724
01:39:52,028 --> 01:39:54,739
All of those wonderful actors
that were thrown together

1725
01:39:55,031 --> 01:39:57,074
really got it and had a good time with it.

1726
01:39:58,117 --> 01:40:01,077
Wallace Shawn, he was so excited
because he hadn't really done

1727
01:40:01,078 --> 01:40:04,040
any acting, and here he is,
this great playwright.

1728
01:40:04,081 --> 01:40:06,959
All he wanted to do was act,
he was so thrilled.

1729
01:40:07,001 --> 01:40:10,421
He said, "I can't believe I'm here
acting in this movie."

1730
01:40:10,505 --> 01:40:13,508
He was willing to do anything,
looking for the next shot, you know?

1731
01:40:15,760 --> 01:40:16,385
The funny thing

1732
01:40:16,386 --> 01:40:20,306
for me that Kenneth tobey had
a wild crush on Diana scannid

1733
01:40:20,348 --> 01:40:23,391
it was probably more fun than

1734
01:40:23,392 --> 01:40:24,769
it should have been.

1735
01:40:29,023 --> 01:40:32,651
That film, for me is a heartbreak,
because even though people like it

1736
01:40:32,652 --> 01:40:34,402
and enjoy it, I do feel like

1737
01:40:34,403 --> 01:40:36,864
I know what it could have been
with a different director.

1738
01:40:37,990 --> 01:40:39,991
It does have a very lighthearted tone

1739
01:40:39,992 --> 01:40:42,745
contrasted with really scary alien makeup.

1740
01:40:43,996 --> 01:40:45,247
It was done really well.

1741
01:40:45,248 --> 01:40:49,000
I remember being really impressed
and stunned when I saw it

1742
01:40:49,001 --> 01:40:52,964
because they had no budget on this film.

1743
01:40:53,714 --> 01:40:55,131
That does scare you,

1744
01:40:55,132 --> 01:40:58,970
but mostly you're really having fun.

1745
01:41:10,022 --> 01:41:13,233
In the early '803, there was
this wonderful explosion

1746
01:41:13,234 --> 01:41:17,071
of highly imaginative,
highly ambitious science fiction.

1747
01:41:17,697 --> 01:41:20,699
Suddenly, all sorts of stories
that were prohibitive because

1748
01:41:20,700 --> 01:41:23,911
technologically they weren't possible,
were suddenly possible now.

1749
01:41:26,747 --> 01:41:28,707
What star wars did,

1750
01:41:28,708 --> 01:41:32,043
both in terms of the visual effects,
but also George's approach

1751
01:41:32,044 --> 01:41:34,422
to the storytelling aspect of it.

1752
01:41:34,463 --> 01:41:38,092
Was it opened up the
door for genre films

1753
01:41:38,426 --> 01:41:41,387
that people had been
afraid to make before.

1754
01:41:42,930 --> 01:41:45,349
It's driven by the story,

1755
01:41:45,641 --> 01:41:50,104
the tools that we had were capable
of certain levels of finish,

1756
01:41:50,313 --> 01:41:55,734
and then it was an artistic
interpretation of how the illusion

1757
01:41:55,735 --> 01:41:58,696
was going to fit into the bigger
story, which was really critical.

1758
01:42:02,241 --> 01:42:02,867
There's something

1759
01:42:02,868 --> 01:42:08,164
about the real feel of the thing
and seeing it that brings you into it.

1760
01:42:08,372 --> 01:42:11,625
If you look at it as something that's
a visual effect and it doesn't quite work,

1761
01:42:11,626 --> 01:42:12,667
you're out of it.

1762
01:42:12,668 --> 01:42:15,503
When it works, it really does work.

1763
01:42:15,504 --> 01:42:18,215
The job of a visual effects
supervisor at ilm

1764
01:42:18,591 --> 01:42:21,677
is to be able to fulfill the
vision of the director.

1765
01:42:22,094 --> 01:42:27,515
Also, the effects supervisor
should contribute something to the film

1766
01:42:27,516 --> 01:42:28,309
if they can,

1767
01:42:28,310 --> 01:42:32,146
if it's not inappropriate, that possibly
the director didn't even know he could do.

1768
01:42:33,689 --> 01:42:35,316
Always, always

1769
01:42:35,441 --> 01:42:37,484
it starts with the idea
of the finished shot.

1770
01:42:37,485 --> 01:42:39,528
I'm motivated by the finished shot.

1771
01:42:43,115 --> 01:42:45,117
The shots that are magic

1772
01:42:45,159 --> 01:42:48,829
are the ones that have good
design embodied in them.

1773
01:42:51,248 --> 01:42:53,626
Star Trek ii the battle in the nebula

1774
01:42:53,918 --> 01:42:56,754
that was all shot in
cloud tanks here at ilm.

1775
01:42:58,422 --> 01:43:02,551
Beautiful taste is being exhibited
there with compositions of

1776
01:43:02,718 --> 01:43:07,640
where the ships are, the shot designs,
how they're lit, how the clouds swirl.

1777
01:43:07,890 --> 01:43:10,393
That's just some of the
most beautiful work

1778
01:43:10,726 --> 01:43:12,812
that ilm's ever done.

1779
01:43:14,271 --> 01:43:15,814
Miniatures were defined to

1780
01:43:15,815 --> 01:43:18,234
a certain extent
by how they had to be used.

1781
01:43:18,943 --> 01:43:22,821
If you look at the star destroyer, scale
notwithstanding, the model had to be

1782
01:43:22,822 --> 01:43:26,116
incredibly highly detailed
to stand up to that

1783
01:43:26,117 --> 01:43:28,119
kind of macro photography.

1784
01:43:29,620 --> 01:43:31,454
And when we started
blowing stuff up,

1785
01:43:31,455 --> 01:43:35,209
we had to build things
in a little bit larger scale

1786
01:43:35,292 --> 01:43:39,213
so that we could photograph them
at high speed photographic rates.

1787
01:43:41,382 --> 01:43:42,757
The bigger the model,

1788
01:43:42,758 --> 01:43:46,010
the more properly scaled the explosion

1789
01:43:46,011 --> 01:43:47,513
appeared to be.

1790
01:43:51,183 --> 01:43:52,684
Every optical composite

1791
01:43:52,685 --> 01:43:56,020
was a performance.
The way that we used to put

1792
01:43:56,021 --> 01:43:59,482
together a shot of a bunch of spaceships,
you didn't shoot them all at once.

1793
01:43:59,483 --> 01:44:01,109
You shot them one at a time.

1794
01:44:01,110 --> 01:44:03,904
There's a really remarkable shot
in return of the jedi,

1795
01:44:03,946 --> 01:44:07,699
and it's remarkable for the
huge number of separately

1796
01:44:07,700 --> 01:44:09,617
photographed spaceships
that are all in there.

1797
01:44:09,618 --> 01:44:11,828
It was intended to be a wow moment.

1798
01:44:11,829 --> 01:44:13,955
And it really accomplished that.

1799
01:44:13,956 --> 01:44:17,501
It's kind of ovennhelming when you think
about the mechanical complexity

1800
01:44:17,585 --> 01:44:21,547
of all those separately
photographed elements.

1801
01:44:23,215 --> 01:44:27,051
The thought process that goes
in to breaking down the barriers

1802
01:44:27,052 --> 01:44:30,264
that we have for this component,
that component, and how do you do this.

1803
01:44:30,514 --> 01:44:31,514
Those are strong.

1804
01:44:33,100 --> 01:44:34,684
We came up with this

1805
01:44:34,685 --> 01:44:38,355
system called go motion,
which is kind of a joke.

1806
01:44:38,522 --> 01:44:41,817
We didn't know what to call it, so we
called it the opposite of stop motion.

1807
01:44:41,984 --> 01:44:47,031
The first time we used go motion
was on the tauntaun and it totally worked.

1808
01:44:47,156 --> 01:44:49,450
It gave a blur to the thing.

1809
01:44:52,661 --> 01:44:53,995
That was effective.

1810
01:44:53,996 --> 01:44:57,041
Then on dragonslayer,
we developed it further.

1811
01:44:59,710 --> 01:45:02,962
In jedi with the two legged Walker,
when the ewoks rolled

1812
01:45:02,963 --> 01:45:06,633
the lodge down the hill,
go motion allowed me

1813
01:45:06,634 --> 01:45:08,052
to do that.

1814
01:45:10,346 --> 01:45:13,015
And that was really complicated.

1815
01:45:16,685 --> 01:45:18,771
You get into the zone.

1816
01:45:19,021 --> 01:45:22,774
You know, it's a form of
meditation to shut the world out

1817
01:45:22,775 --> 01:45:27,863
and be in the zone, you know,
and do it, do what it tells you.

1818
01:45:28,322 --> 01:45:29,824
I'm walking by and it's

1819
01:45:30,908 --> 01:45:31,659
shh, very quite.

1820
01:45:31,826 --> 01:45:33,911
It'd be Dennis muren at the camera.

1821
01:45:33,953 --> 01:45:34,953
Click.

1822
01:45:35,496 --> 01:45:38,415
And then all these hatches opened up

1823
01:45:39,333 --> 01:45:42,627
and out came Jon burge and Phil tippett,

1824
01:45:42,628 --> 01:45:47,550
and then move it ever so slightly
and then disappear down the hatch.

1825
01:45:48,634 --> 01:45:49,718
Click.

1826
01:45:55,641 --> 01:45:56,975
Matte painting,

1827
01:45:56,976 --> 01:46:00,729
as a way of adding on
to a set by painting,

1828
01:46:01,856 --> 01:46:04,190
for example, on a piece of glass.

1829
01:46:04,191 --> 01:46:07,277
Not only is it a budget
saving device,

1830
01:46:07,278 --> 01:46:11,490
it's an opportunity to enhance.

1831
01:46:12,157 --> 01:46:14,701
You're working on something
that is supposed to be

1832
01:46:14,702 --> 01:46:16,078
invisible.

1833
01:46:18,622 --> 01:46:21,958
Ghostbusters ii is the film I was
working on, where I said to myself

1834
01:46:21,959 --> 01:46:26,547
at the end of this, we've really reached
the end of traditional visual effects.

1835
01:46:26,630 --> 01:46:28,840
We can't keep doing it this way.

1836
01:46:28,841 --> 01:46:33,137
The ideas are getting bigger
than the toolbox we have.

1837
01:46:34,805 --> 01:46:37,891
Fortunately, in ilm, we had
a computer group

1838
01:46:37,892 --> 01:46:41,854
that had been working on computer
graphics and I had jumped into that.

1839
01:46:42,813 --> 01:46:44,522
I did young Sherlock Holmes
with them.

1840
01:46:44,523 --> 01:46:47,610
That really proved to me
that this is the future.

1841
01:46:50,029 --> 01:46:52,406
It needed more time for the technology,

1842
01:46:52,740 --> 01:46:55,450
both the hardware and the
software to get up to the level

1843
01:46:55,451 --> 01:46:57,535
where we can actually make
it a productive tool,

1844
01:46:57,536 --> 01:47:00,539
which we experimented again with
on the abyss, Jim Cameron's film.

1845
01:47:00,664 --> 01:47:04,543
Water weenie is the way
that we've respectfully

1846
01:47:04,627 --> 01:47:05,753
talked about.

1847
01:47:09,006 --> 01:47:10,798
Seeing things like tron

1848
01:47:10,799 --> 01:47:14,511
and last starfighter,
I thought computer graphics is coming.

1849
01:47:14,595 --> 01:47:17,806
It's not quite ready,
but something to keep your eye on.

1850
01:47:20,351 --> 01:47:23,145
The last starfighter used digital effects.

1851
01:47:23,270 --> 01:47:26,065
It was the first one to use it
for the entire film.

1852
01:47:28,025 --> 01:47:30,786
When you look back at it now,
there are some really some growing pains

1853
01:47:30,861 --> 01:47:33,863
and you can see where things
were not as effective

1854
01:47:33,864 --> 01:47:38,160
as it would have been if you got models.
You didn't know if it was going to work.

1855
01:47:38,327 --> 01:47:39,495
So it was a gamble.

1856
01:47:40,579 --> 01:47:41,788
It's a good example

1857
01:47:41,789 --> 01:47:45,751
of the beginnings of cgi.

1858
01:47:45,793 --> 01:47:48,211
My brother, Jeff, is a
visual effects supervisor,

1859
01:47:48,212 --> 01:47:51,340
and he worked on tron doing the bit.

1860
01:47:52,758 --> 01:47:55,593
So he was one of the first cgi
artists, and later

1861
01:47:55,594 --> 01:47:59,515
I worked with him on flight
of the navigator, where he helped me

1862
01:48:00,349 --> 01:48:04,895
design the spaceship morphing
and reflectance mapping.

1863
01:48:05,729 --> 01:48:07,647
This is the flying version of the ship.

1864
01:48:07,648 --> 01:48:10,150
And behind there is the
hovering version of the ship.

1865
01:48:10,818 --> 01:48:15,489
It was a maquette, meaning that
we took a computer and we touched it

1866
01:48:16,323 --> 01:48:19,118
all along here to create the wire frame

1867
01:48:19,618 --> 01:48:23,955
that was then used to wrap
the backgrounds on.

1868
01:48:23,956 --> 01:48:27,876
Shortly after the lucasfilm computer
division had been sold off as pixar,

1869
01:48:28,210 --> 01:48:32,088
we saw that there was a lot of value
in that tech and that this had a big

1870
01:48:32,089 --> 01:48:33,424
future in visual effects.

1871
01:48:35,175 --> 01:48:39,178
Star Trek iv, that hallucination
scene was just about

1872
01:48:39,179 --> 01:48:42,433
the first foray of the island
computer graphics department.

1873
01:48:43,058 --> 01:48:47,061
And that was always the carrot for me
and the promise back in the early '803

1874
01:48:47,062 --> 01:48:49,773
that this is what it could do,
you know, and we're there,

1875
01:48:50,107 --> 01:48:54,486
but it moved too quick, and I think
there hasn't been enough recognition

1876
01:48:54,820 --> 01:48:58,657
that it needs to fit within
the imperfect world of reality.

1877
01:48:58,866 --> 01:49:00,700
"But I can make it perfect", you know.

1878
01:49:00,701 --> 01:49:04,246
No, don't make it perfect.

1879
01:49:04,913 --> 01:49:07,623
Sometimes understanding those limitations

1880
01:49:07,624 --> 01:49:10,544
becomes key to capturing a feeling.

1881
01:49:11,628 --> 01:49:14,715
The '803 represents
an era of a lot of bravery.

1882
01:49:15,174 --> 01:49:19,136
The filmmakers were pushing
new techniques, trying new things.

1883
01:49:19,553 --> 01:49:21,638
Some of them worked great
and some of them didn't.

1884
01:49:22,222 --> 01:49:26,392
Some of them really show their age today,
but there's something kind of wonderful

1885
01:49:26,393 --> 01:49:30,147
about that, that they were fearless
about the things that they would try.

1886
01:49:50,709 --> 01:49:53,211
Star Trek III:
The search for Spock

1887
01:49:53,212 --> 01:49:56,215
the adventure continues

1888
01:49:56,465 --> 01:49:58,633
I believe that the major
theme that runs through

1889
01:49:58,634 --> 01:50:01,970
Star Trek III is one
of family and sacrifice.

1890
01:50:02,012 --> 01:50:04,014
Have some friends.

1891
01:50:06,266 --> 01:50:08,476
If you count Spock, the seven
people have been through

1892
01:50:08,477 --> 01:50:12,231
so much together and they've
faced down death together.

1893
01:50:13,273 --> 01:50:16,192
We are now at a point
where a decision that has to be

1894
01:50:16,193 --> 01:50:18,403
made is going to cost them dearly.

1895
01:50:18,445 --> 01:50:21,824
If there's even a chance that
Spock has an eternal soul,

1896
01:50:22,032 --> 01:50:24,535
then it's my responsibility.

1897
01:50:24,576 --> 01:50:25,869
Yours?

1898
01:50:25,911 --> 01:50:26,870
Kirk, in particular,

1899
01:50:26,871 --> 01:50:29,206
has to make tremendous
sacrifices during this film.

1900
01:50:29,248 --> 01:50:34,211
My god, bones...
What have I done?

1901
01:50:35,129 --> 01:50:36,212
Christopher Lloyd

1902
01:50:36,213 --> 01:50:39,299
as the klingon commander is
an interesting casting choice.

1903
01:50:39,341 --> 01:50:41,718
You, will tell me the secret

1904
01:50:41,760 --> 01:50:44,847
of the Genesis torpedo.

1905
01:50:45,305 --> 01:50:47,349
He just sinks himself
right into that role.

1906
01:50:49,560 --> 01:50:51,936
He chews scenery just as
well as William shatner does.

1907
01:50:51,937 --> 01:50:55,356
You fool! Look around you!
The planet's destroying itself!

1908
01:50:55,357 --> 01:50:57,693
Yes! Exhilarating, isn't it?

1909
01:50:57,734 --> 01:51:01,279
You realize just how versatile an actor
he was to go from reverend Jim

1910
01:51:01,280 --> 01:51:04,783
to this and then, you know, a year
later, he's in back to the future.

1911
01:51:06,785 --> 01:51:09,163
Leonard, he took Spock to heart.

1912
01:51:09,496 --> 01:51:11,790
I mean, really, really took him to heart.

1913
01:51:12,374 --> 01:51:15,502
As soon as he passed that
gate with the word

1914
01:51:16,128 --> 01:51:20,174
Paramount scrawled on
top of it, he became Mr. Spock.

1915
01:51:20,215 --> 01:51:23,134
Spock brought a lot of opportunity
to Leonard nimoy.

1916
01:51:23,135 --> 01:51:24,719
There's no doubt about it.

1917
01:51:24,720 --> 01:51:26,221
But does he need Spock? No.

1918
01:51:28,807 --> 01:51:30,308
When Star Trek III came along,

1919
01:51:30,309 --> 01:51:31,268
I think

1920
01:51:31,269 --> 01:51:34,020
he was more than willing to walk away
unless he had something more

1921
01:51:34,021 --> 01:51:37,607
challenging to do, which was direct.

1922
01:51:37,608 --> 01:51:41,110
What I recall is Michael eisner
trying to talk

1923
01:51:41,111 --> 01:51:46,408
Leonard out of directing himself,
making his directing debut.

1924
01:51:46,909 --> 01:51:49,661
Leonard's calling me up
and I said, "are you prepared

1925
01:51:49,703 --> 01:51:51,914
to let the ship sail without you?"

1926
01:51:53,207 --> 01:51:54,624
And he said, "absolutely"

1927
01:51:54,625 --> 01:51:56,394
I said, "then sit tight, you're
going to direct the movie."

1928
01:51:56,418 --> 01:51:58,336
If he says he's not going
to be in the movie

1929
01:51:58,337 --> 01:52:00,881
unless he gets the director,
he'll get the director.

1930
01:52:01,465 --> 01:52:02,798
Period, the end.

1931
01:52:02,799 --> 01:52:05,092
Spock is the linchpin of it.

1932
01:52:05,093 --> 01:52:08,512
He would say to me repeatedly,
“the studio really only understands

1933
01:52:08,513 --> 01:52:10,139
a two by four to the head."

1934
01:52:10,140 --> 01:52:12,559
What they understand is leverage,
and he had leverage.

1935
01:52:12,768 --> 01:52:14,685
They realized that their box office
is going to be bigger

1936
01:52:14,686 --> 01:52:16,145
if Spock appears in the film.

1937
01:52:16,146 --> 01:52:18,147
They kept the thumbscrews on him.

1938
01:52:18,148 --> 01:52:22,401
Jeff Katzenberg looked over his shoulder
every day to make sure he was on time

1939
01:52:22,402 --> 01:52:23,778
and on budget.

1940
01:52:23,779 --> 01:52:26,239
The fact is, he had no experience other

1941
01:52:26,240 --> 01:52:29,784
than directing some episodes
of TV, including t.J. Hooker,

1942
01:52:29,785 --> 01:52:33,247
you know, other than that,
he was a neophyte.

1943
01:52:34,915 --> 01:52:36,707
I didn't know what we were in for.

1944
01:52:36,708 --> 01:52:39,086
Leonard directed by omission,

1945
01:52:40,921 --> 01:52:43,257
if he didn't say anything, it was fine

1946
01:52:44,091 --> 01:52:46,217
when I got that through my head,

1947
01:52:46,218 --> 01:52:48,595
I felt less neglected.

1948
01:52:48,637 --> 01:52:52,516
Good. More, more.
He is dying. Dying.

1949
01:52:53,809 --> 01:52:56,811
He had confidence in him, I felt that
he knew what he was doing,

1950
01:52:56,812 --> 01:53:00,649
he had taste, his story
sense was quite good.

1951
01:53:01,400 --> 01:53:03,526
He's the guy who prepped things to death.

1952
01:53:03,527 --> 01:53:05,236
You try to deal with as many variables

1953
01:53:05,237 --> 01:53:07,321
as possible during the
pre-production process

1954
01:53:07,322 --> 01:53:10,409
so that when you're in production,
things hopefully run smoothly.

1955
01:53:10,826 --> 01:53:13,870
So much so that you can
have these happy accidents.

1956
01:53:14,913 --> 01:53:17,373
Filmmaking is really, a lot of it
is just dealing with problems

1957
01:53:17,374 --> 01:53:19,376
all day long, it's story,

1958
01:53:20,419 --> 01:53:22,586
it's story, it's always story,

1959
01:53:22,587 --> 01:53:24,631
first and foremost.

1960
01:53:24,673 --> 01:53:26,633
You saved the ship.

1961
01:53:26,675 --> 01:53:28,677
You saved us all.

1962
01:53:28,719 --> 01:53:30,721
Don't you remember?

1963
01:53:36,018 --> 01:53:37,477
The really, really

1964
01:53:37,602 --> 01:53:40,938
renegade, seat of your pants
crazy comedy of the '70s

1965
01:53:40,939 --> 01:53:45,819
found its way into like a big
mainstream sci fi spielbergian thing.

1966
01:53:45,861 --> 01:53:47,863
Ready?

1967
01:53:51,283 --> 01:53:53,660
Ghostbusters

1968
01:53:53,744 --> 01:53:54,661
you've got this

1969
01:53:54,662 --> 01:53:57,705
sort of rag tag New York story,
but then into it,

1970
01:53:57,706 --> 01:54:01,251
you have this extremely sci fi, techy,

1971
01:54:01,335 --> 01:54:04,795
supernatural, insane thing, and it worked.

1972
01:54:04,796 --> 01:54:06,798
Get her!

1973
01:54:09,926 --> 01:54:11,928
Action!

1974
01:54:11,970 --> 01:54:15,474
I just worked with bill Murray on
stripes, and Harold as well.

1975
01:54:15,557 --> 01:54:17,893
And that turned out well.

1976
01:54:17,934 --> 01:54:18,393
That's the fact, Jack!

1977
01:54:18,435 --> 01:54:21,897
My agent, Michael ovitz,
at that time, sent me

1978
01:54:22,689 --> 01:54:26,068
this sort of 80 page treatment
that Dan aykroyd had written.

1979
01:54:26,735 --> 01:54:29,863
He had written it originally for
belushi and himself.

1980
01:54:30,822 --> 01:54:33,241
I think he had spoken to
Eddie Murphy at some time

1981
01:54:33,825 --> 01:54:36,370
about doing with him.

1982
01:54:36,411 --> 01:54:38,372
It was set in the future,
there were multiple

1983
01:54:38,413 --> 01:54:42,000
ghost busting groups on various plantes.

1984
01:54:42,042 --> 01:54:44,044
And the competed with each other.

1985
01:54:44,086 --> 01:54:48,048
These groups, they worked like firemen.
Their service was to rid the universe

1986
01:54:48,090 --> 01:54:50,092
of ghosts or monsters.

1987
01:54:50,509 --> 01:54:51,468
I said, "look,

1988
01:54:51,469 --> 01:54:55,514
it has this great idea in it,
but it's almost impossible to make.

1989
01:54:55,931 --> 01:54:58,057
I think it should happen today

1990
01:54:58,058 --> 01:55:01,311
and I think it should happen in a
big city like New York.“

1991
01:55:01,561 --> 01:55:04,855
I really pitched
the story of ghostbusters.

1992
01:55:04,856 --> 01:55:06,858
Our courteous and efficient
staff is on call

1993
01:55:07,109 --> 01:55:10,404
24 hours a day to serve all
your supernatural elimination needs.

1994
01:55:10,445 --> 01:55:11,738
We're ready to believe you!

1995
01:55:11,780 --> 01:55:17,911
When the actors are really in their finest,
most involved way on the set, in costume,

1996
01:55:18,286 --> 01:55:22,415
they can be the most creative
as well to find some unique way

1997
01:55:22,416 --> 01:55:25,001
of maybe finding a fresh spin on it.

1998
01:55:25,669 --> 01:55:30,131
It's directed and free at
the same time, and there was

1999
01:55:30,132 --> 01:55:32,174
I could by just using as few words

2000
01:55:32,175 --> 01:55:36,303
as possible, interrupt the
improvization and refocus things

2001
01:55:36,304 --> 01:55:41,143
so that the storytelling made sense
in the context of everything else

2002
01:55:41,268 --> 01:55:46,313
in terms of character
and in terms of intent and tone.

2003
01:55:46,314 --> 01:55:48,692
And so that things weren't just silly.

2004
01:55:49,025 --> 01:55:51,027
There is no Dana, only 2qu!

2005
01:55:52,946 --> 01:55:54,948
What a lovely singing
voice you must have.

2006
01:55:54,990 --> 01:55:56,740
And just look for comedy

2007
01:55:56,741 --> 01:55:59,119
in the reality of the situation.

2008
01:55:59,161 --> 01:56:01,163
We came, we saw,
we kicked its ass!

2009
01:56:02,539 --> 01:56:05,500
It really boils down to the
ghostbusters themselves,

2010
01:56:05,709 --> 01:56:07,878
it's charming

2011
01:56:08,628 --> 01:56:10,337
when Dan aykroyd slides down

2012
01:56:10,338 --> 01:56:13,467
that fire pole, when they first go
see this dilapidated firehouse.

2013
01:56:13,508 --> 01:56:15,469
Wow! This place is great!

2014
01:56:16,136 --> 01:56:18,054
They're all big kids.

2015
01:56:18,096 --> 01:56:21,475
We should stay here, tonight! Sleep
here. You know, to try it out.

2016
01:56:21,600 --> 01:56:25,645
It's so crazy and wonderful,
and they're having such a blast

2017
01:56:26,104 --> 01:56:30,066
and that just spills right over to us.

2018
01:56:30,942 --> 01:56:33,320
It's the perfect bill Murray movie

2019
01:56:33,487 --> 01:56:37,531
that laid back goofiness
that only bill Murray has.

2020
01:56:37,532 --> 01:56:40,535
I'll take miss Barrett back to her
apartment and check her out.

2021
01:56:40,869 --> 01:56:42,871
I'll go check out miss
Barrett's apartment.

2022
01:56:42,954 --> 01:56:43,872
The addition of Ernie,

2023
01:56:43,873 --> 01:56:46,415
I think, was really special
in a lot of ways.

2024
01:56:46,416 --> 01:56:50,420
If there's a steady paycheck in it,
I'll believe anything you say.

2025
01:56:50,462 --> 01:56:52,796
Ernie brought in the
outsiders to people

2026
01:56:52,797 --> 01:56:55,550
that didn't really feel
like a ghostbuster, you know?

2027
01:56:55,592 --> 01:56:59,970
It would be a twinkie... 35 feet long
weighing approximately 600 pounds

2028
01:56:59,971 --> 01:57:01,598
that's a big twinkie.

2029
01:57:01,640 --> 01:57:02,974
I think I was very fortunate

2030
01:57:03,016 --> 01:57:06,019
to be making popular movies

2031
01:57:06,853 --> 01:57:12,566
in this era, an era of directorial power
which we didn't really quite

2032
01:57:12,567 --> 01:57:16,320
have as directors prior to it
and certainly

2033
01:57:16,321 --> 01:57:17,405
after it.

2034
01:57:17,447 --> 01:57:19,449
It's the stay puft marshmallow man.

2035
01:57:20,242 --> 01:57:21,117
My films,

2036
01:57:21,118 --> 01:57:25,580
they almost uniquely have a kind
of emotionality that made you feel good.

2037
01:57:25,997 --> 01:57:29,124
It's the positiveness that made for repeat

2038
01:57:29,125 --> 01:57:29,960
viewing.

2039
01:57:30,001 --> 01:57:32,963
Let's show this prehistoric bitch
how we do things downtown.

2040
01:57:46,142 --> 01:57:48,144
The last starfighter

2041
01:57:48,186 --> 01:57:50,354
the last starfighter is about a boy

2042
01:57:50,355 --> 01:57:53,358
in a trailer park who is
really good at a video game.

2043
01:57:55,068 --> 01:57:57,070
Yeah!

2044
01:57:58,321 --> 01:57:59,655
It turns out to be an

2045
01:57:59,656 --> 01:58:02,075
actual recruitment tool.

2046
01:58:02,117 --> 01:58:04,119
Aha! A test sent out across the universe

2047
01:58:04,160 --> 01:58:06,621
to find those with the gift
to be starfighters.

2048
01:58:06,788 --> 01:58:08,455
It's the perfect fantasy

2049
01:58:08,456 --> 01:58:11,167
if you play video games.

2050
01:58:11,626 --> 01:58:14,211
It was a genius idea,
the fact that nobody came up with it

2051
01:58:14,212 --> 01:58:17,632
before that, is kind of amazing.

2052
01:58:17,674 --> 01:58:19,634
You were recruited by the star league
to defend -

2053
01:58:20,176 --> 01:58:23,179
to defend the frontier against xur
and the ko-Dan armada.

2054
01:58:23,722 --> 01:58:26,683
Although most of it
takes place in outer space,

2055
01:58:26,725 --> 01:58:29,769
there's such a down to earth
element about it.

2056
01:58:31,438 --> 01:58:33,772
Nick castle, the director,
wanted to imbue it

2057
01:58:33,773 --> 01:58:36,109
with a sort of a capras esque
sort of quality.

2058
01:58:36,318 --> 01:58:38,152
I'm shaking the dust of this crummy

2059
01:58:38,153 --> 01:58:41,156
little town off my feet and
I'm gonna see the world!

2060
01:58:41,197 --> 01:58:43,199
Forget it, man. I'm doing
something with my life.

2061
01:58:43,783 --> 01:58:45,784
He has this girlfriend,

2062
01:58:45,785 --> 01:58:50,581
he has dreams of doing bigger
things and all his dreams

2063
01:58:50,582 --> 01:58:53,335
keep falling through.

2064
01:58:53,376 --> 01:58:55,378
Still go to city college
with your friends.

2065
01:58:57,422 --> 01:59:01,300
Until this incredible
situation comes along,

2066
01:59:01,301 --> 01:59:03,803
and he almost doesn't
take advantage of it.

2067
01:59:03,845 --> 01:59:07,098
Listen, centauri. I'm not any of those
guys, I'm a kid from a trailer park.

2068
01:59:07,140 --> 01:59:09,260
That's what you think!
Then that's all you'll ever be.

2069
01:59:10,477 --> 01:59:11,269
Robert Preston,

2070
01:59:11,270 --> 01:59:13,647
the music man,
the music man in outer space.

2071
01:59:13,688 --> 01:59:15,649
Trouble with a capital t,
and that rhymes with p,

2072
01:59:15,690 --> 01:59:17,150
and that stands for poor.

2073
01:59:17,192 --> 01:59:19,861
When we found out that he would
do it, we were just so happy.

2074
01:59:21,029 --> 01:59:23,031
Centauri!

2075
01:59:23,281 --> 01:59:26,367
Very robust fellow.
Smoke like a chimney,

2076
01:59:26,368 --> 01:59:29,745
but he had that great voice.

2077
01:59:29,746 --> 01:59:31,748
Say hello to my assistant, beta.

2078
01:59:31,790 --> 01:59:33,791
Howdy.

2079
01:59:34,501 --> 01:59:37,420
I did get to act with two Alex's lucky me.

2080
01:59:37,462 --> 01:59:39,923
I'm a state of the art,
top of the line beta unit,

2081
01:59:39,964 --> 01:59:42,967
put here as a courtesy replacement
for while you are away.

2082
01:59:45,387 --> 01:59:46,845
He's just comically inept.

2083
01:59:46,846 --> 01:59:48,931
That's why it was fun to play,
because you can

2084
01:59:48,932 --> 01:59:52,352
just put yourself in that position
where everything is brand new.

2085
01:59:52,686 --> 01:59:54,854
Nothing is normal.

2086
01:59:54,896 --> 01:59:57,857
Ha ha ha ha! Ha ha ha ha!

2087
01:59:59,317 --> 02:00:02,028
Dan o'herlihy.

2088
02:00:02,112 --> 02:00:03,737
He agreed to play Greg.

2089
02:00:03,738 --> 02:00:06,324
Greg, the gung-ho iguana.

2090
02:00:07,242 --> 02:00:09,785
He would never be seen.
There would always be

2091
02:00:09,786 --> 02:00:12,706
this prosthetic giant mask over him.

2092
02:00:12,872 --> 02:00:16,292
He had to triple what he would
normally do in terms of gestures.

2093
02:00:17,919 --> 02:00:20,213
Ah, now you look cute!

2094
02:00:20,296 --> 02:00:22,005
I never saw him

2095
02:00:22,006 --> 02:00:25,134
not looking like lizard man,
and he's very distinguished looking,

2096
02:00:25,135 --> 02:00:28,430
you know, white haired, blue eyed
Irish guy, you know, and I just didn't

2097
02:00:28,930 --> 02:00:31,057
I didn't really know
what he looked like.

2098
02:00:31,099 --> 02:00:32,726
How do you do?

2099
02:00:32,767 --> 02:00:34,394
He does this like...

2100
02:00:42,444 --> 02:00:44,195
I was cast in last starfighter

2101
02:00:44,237 --> 02:00:48,074
playing a role called Lewis's friend.

2102
02:00:48,450 --> 02:00:51,244
Spaceship lands to return
Alex to the trailer park

2103
02:00:51,494 --> 02:00:54,164
and I go, "aliens, awesome!"

2104
02:00:54,205 --> 02:00:56,124
Oh my god!

2105
02:00:56,166 --> 02:00:58,566
They cut that scene from the movie
before it was ever filmed,

2106
02:00:58,835 --> 02:01:02,171
but I had already done a bunch of
featured extra work, so every year

2107
02:01:02,172 --> 02:01:06,550
I get a couple of hundred bucks from
the last starfighter as a residual payment

2108
02:01:06,551 --> 02:01:10,597
and I get to be part of a movie that,
as a fan, I was crazy about as a kid.

2109
02:01:10,638 --> 02:01:11,973
Are you kidding me?

2110
02:01:14,350 --> 02:01:15,517
I was not aware

2111
02:01:15,518 --> 02:01:18,605
of the amount of pressure
because of the cgi,

2112
02:01:19,314 --> 02:01:23,359
the tension it was surrounding,
oh my god, is this going to work or not?

2113
02:01:23,401 --> 02:01:25,528
This may be a colossal failure.

2114
02:01:29,616 --> 02:01:32,327
The very end of the death
blossom sequence,

2115
02:01:32,619 --> 02:01:35,497
when I sat in a cage,
it was like a carnival ride.

2116
02:01:36,289 --> 02:01:39,000
And I could do about two
of them and then I was like...

2117
02:01:44,297 --> 02:01:46,089
The movie didn't make any
money when it came out,

2118
02:01:46,090 --> 02:01:49,636
it was only the people that
saw it on vhs or hbo.

2119
02:01:50,678 --> 02:01:55,016
Someone told me that last starfighter
was number one in video rentals.

2120
02:01:55,141 --> 02:01:58,435
Thank god for science,
creating another Avenue for people

2121
02:01:58,436 --> 02:02:01,272
to see it and enjoy it.

2122
02:02:02,524 --> 02:02:04,107
That's what the movie's about,

2123
02:02:04,108 --> 02:02:07,487
the possibilities are unknown,

2124
02:02:07,654 --> 02:02:12,408
but are out there,
and all you have to do is find them

2125
02:02:12,617 --> 02:02:15,578
and then hold on tight
and go for the ride.

2126
02:02:15,620 --> 02:02:17,622
Wow!

2127
02:02:26,756 --> 02:02:27,549
No words,

2128
02:02:27,550 --> 02:02:29,717
really, for what buckaroo banzai is.

2129
02:02:29,759 --> 02:02:31,427
Let's rock and roll!

2130
02:02:31,469 --> 02:02:33,595
Could I really tell you the storyline?

2131
02:02:33,596 --> 02:02:35,473
I'm not sure.

2132
02:02:39,143 --> 02:02:41,145
Buckaroo banzai, perhaps
you can explain yourself?

2133
02:02:41,187 --> 02:02:44,147
Do you have to know
what the film is about,

2134
02:02:44,148 --> 02:02:46,317
even if you starred in it?

2135
02:02:53,199 --> 02:02:55,577
Buckaroo banzai is a film

2136
02:02:56,327 --> 02:03:00,832
that to this day, I do not understand.
If you can tell me what it's about,

2137
02:03:01,374 --> 02:03:02,499
I'll give you money.

2138
02:03:02,500 --> 02:03:04,418
He was able to do everything.

2139
02:03:04,419 --> 02:03:08,755
He was like a scientist,
a rock star, a samurai warrior.

2140
02:03:08,756 --> 02:03:10,632
No limitations whatsoever.

2141
02:03:10,633 --> 02:03:15,305
Just a fun imaginary story
about a group of scientists

2142
02:03:15,471 --> 02:03:20,393
that play rock and roll and,
you know, defy the laws of physics.

2143
02:03:23,271 --> 02:03:25,772
Is it a comedy, is it sci fi,
is it action?

2144
02:03:25,773 --> 02:03:28,276
Is it a social satire?

2145
02:03:28,318 --> 02:03:30,360
Is it a love story? Is it romance?

2146
02:03:30,361 --> 02:03:32,738
What is it?
And it doesn't spoon feed you anything.

2147
02:03:32,739 --> 02:03:36,993
It just throws you in the middle
of this haywire crazy world.

2148
02:03:37,285 --> 02:03:40,245
It was a shipn that was
being steered by Richter.

2149
02:03:40,246 --> 02:03:44,584
Richter and Mac would always
powwow. To them,

2150
02:03:44,792 --> 02:03:46,376
it made sense.

2151
02:03:46,377 --> 02:03:48,880
Subcutaneous microphones
are gonna allow the

2152
02:03:49,005 --> 02:03:51,150
patient to transmit verbal
instructions to his own brain.

2153
02:03:51,174 --> 02:03:52,841
All we had to know

2154
02:03:52,842 --> 02:03:56,012
is that we had to act like
it made sense to us,

2155
02:03:56,721 --> 02:03:57,889
right?

2156
02:03:57,931 --> 02:03:59,599
What are they?

2157
02:03:59,641 --> 02:04:01,869
Lectroids from planet 10 by way
of the the eighth dimension.

2158
02:04:01,893 --> 02:04:02,310
I guess

2159
02:04:02,311 --> 02:04:05,313
I'm going to be the dry, straight
man surrounded by lunatics.

2160
02:04:06,230 --> 02:04:10,777
I had great fun watching Peter
go through his process and Alan go through

2161
02:04:10,818 --> 02:04:13,820
hers and Jeff goldblum just brilliantly

2162
02:04:13,821 --> 02:04:17,784
stealing every scene that he was in.

2163
02:04:19,994 --> 02:04:22,497
We all gave up to Jeff's antics
and just enjoyed them

2164
02:04:22,872 --> 02:04:25,517
rather than try to compete with them
because you couldn't, you couldn't win.

2165
02:04:25,541 --> 02:04:28,419
You know, I thought you were
gonna rehearse or something.

2166
02:04:28,544 --> 02:04:31,005
The Hong Kong cavaliers.

2167
02:04:31,172 --> 02:04:34,509
Billy Vera and the beaters were
kind of the musical center of that show.

2168
02:04:34,801 --> 02:04:36,928
That was really the Hong
Kong cavalier band.

2169
02:04:38,721 --> 02:04:41,975
Peter brought in the clarinet
because he could play.

2170
02:04:42,058 --> 02:04:44,310
It works perfectly.

2171
02:04:45,436 --> 02:04:47,855
Jeff goldblum and I got a
band together after that.

2172
02:04:48,189 --> 02:04:51,234
Matter of fact I've got to leave right
here and go play the trumpet.

2173
02:04:51,275 --> 02:04:53,277
Evil! Pure and simple from
the eighth dimension!

2174
02:04:54,153 --> 02:04:56,905
I had special abilities
to do stunts and things,

2175
02:04:56,906 --> 02:04:59,367
and so they asked me
if I wanted to be a lectroid.

2176
02:04:59,409 --> 02:05:01,369
John whorfin destroyed.

2177
02:05:01,995 --> 02:05:04,621
John lithgow is also an intense actor,

2178
02:05:04,622 --> 02:05:07,333
but he's also very silly.

2179
02:05:07,375 --> 02:05:08,209
Of course it's me, you fool.
Who'd you think?

2180
02:05:08,251 --> 02:05:11,546
I think he found lizardo
to be liberating,

2181
02:05:11,587 --> 02:05:16,634
given the gravity that had been
laid on him as an Oscar nominee.

2182
02:05:16,676 --> 02:05:18,678
John lithgow, in the world
according to garp.

2183
02:05:21,389 --> 02:05:23,433
He was just having a good time.

2184
02:05:23,474 --> 02:05:25,267
Where are we going?

2185
02:05:25,268 --> 02:05:26,853
Planet 10!

2186
02:05:26,894 --> 02:05:27,562
When?

2187
02:05:27,603 --> 02:05:28,146
Real soon!

2188
02:05:28,187 --> 02:05:30,481
You put John lithgow and
Christopher Lloyd in a room,

2189
02:05:30,857 --> 02:05:34,110
the mind can't conceive of what
the acting result would be

2190
02:05:34,277 --> 02:05:37,947
I was supposed to be tortured and all I'm
doing is hysterically laughing.

2191
02:05:38,072 --> 02:05:40,198
I think of that scene now I crack up.

2192
02:05:40,199 --> 02:05:42,076
Those are two gifted human beings.

2193
02:05:42,118 --> 02:05:44,078
Bigboote'.

2194
02:05:44,912 --> 02:05:46,914
Activate your probes.

2195
02:05:48,124 --> 02:05:51,169
And then they promise you a
sequel, and the sequel never comes.

2196
02:05:51,502 --> 02:05:55,923
A lot of the studio bosses
didn't know what to make of it.

2197
02:05:56,174 --> 02:06:00,927
It was supposed to be a series of movies
and they were supposed to all

2198
02:06:00,928 --> 02:06:04,640
be as lighthearted
and antic and sort of over-the-top.

2199
02:06:06,684 --> 02:06:08,978
It would fit in so well right now,

2200
02:06:09,103 --> 02:06:11,898
that sort of alternative universe world

2201
02:06:12,356 --> 02:06:15,609
audiences now are more attuned, I think.

2202
02:06:15,610 --> 02:06:19,030
It would have been fun to see it
go on and get weirder and weirder.

2203
02:06:20,490 --> 02:06:23,033
My eight year old watched it,
I said, "what's it about?"

2204
02:06:23,034 --> 02:06:24,701
He says, "who cares what it's about?“

2205
02:06:24,702 --> 02:06:27,997
we don't have to care what
it's about, do we?

2206
02:06:29,665 --> 02:06:31,584
I guess not.

2207
02:06:31,626 --> 02:06:33,628
Remember, no matter
where you go,

2208
02:06:34,629 --> 02:06:36,631
there you are.

2209
02:06:42,595 --> 02:06:45,431
Terminator is a classic.

2210
02:06:47,517 --> 02:06:49,519
The Terminator

2211
02:06:49,560 --> 02:06:52,188
out of the gate, I appreciated
Cameron's filmmaking.

2212
02:06:52,230 --> 02:06:53,897
It was so satisfying.

2213
02:06:53,898 --> 02:06:58,277
You're just watching this extremely
talented filmmaker erupt onto the scene

2214
02:06:58,611 --> 02:07:00,862
and you just go, oh, I'm going
to now see every film

2215
02:07:00,863 --> 02:07:03,032
this person does because
they're obviously really good.

2216
02:07:03,074 --> 02:07:05,075
What day is it? The date!

2217
02:07:05,076 --> 02:07:07,078
12th, may, Thursday.

2218
02:07:07,120 --> 02:07:09,122
What year?!

2219
02:07:09,622 --> 02:07:12,250
It goes and it's just perfect.

2220
02:07:12,291 --> 02:07:14,252
You can't do that.

2221
02:07:14,293 --> 02:07:16,295
Wrong.

2222
02:07:17,296 --> 02:07:20,132
I was very inspired
by the editing of Terminator,

2223
02:07:20,133 --> 02:07:23,553
the speech of Terminator,
the harshness of Terminator.

2224
02:07:28,307 --> 02:07:30,810
The script was an excellent
blueprint for the movie.

2225
02:07:31,227 --> 02:07:35,231
It had propulsion, mystery,
annihilation, suspense,

2226
02:07:35,606 --> 02:07:39,277
romance, time travel.

2227
02:07:40,736 --> 02:07:42,530
It was all there.

2228
02:07:44,615 --> 02:07:46,617
Come with me if
you want to live.

2229
02:07:46,659 --> 02:07:49,161
Because the exposition is all on the run

2230
02:07:49,162 --> 02:07:50,955
during a shootout.

2231
02:07:50,997 --> 02:07:52,998
I'm Reese, assigned
to protect you.

2232
02:07:52,999 --> 02:07:53,916
You've been targeted
for termination.

2233
02:07:53,958 --> 02:07:56,877
You're like living and dying in a scene

2234
02:07:56,878 --> 02:07:59,881
and getting the back story.

2235
02:08:00,882 --> 02:08:03,301
It was a dark version of the future.

2236
02:08:03,467 --> 02:08:07,512
I loved the down and dirty
spareness of a b movie

2237
02:08:07,513 --> 02:08:10,683
sort of aspect to it.

2238
02:08:11,976 --> 02:08:12,518
His hope

2239
02:08:12,519 --> 02:08:17,189
was to make a world class genre picture
heavily influenced by George Miller

2240
02:08:17,190 --> 02:08:20,525
other than the fact that he broke
down all barriers and went

2241
02:08:20,526 --> 02:08:21,694
Gonzo.

2242
02:08:24,822 --> 02:08:28,326
Jim had a certain vision
and he was pushing the envelope.

2243
02:08:28,618 --> 02:08:31,244
We weren't Hollywood
redoing the same thing.

2244
02:08:31,245 --> 02:08:34,957
Jim was saying,
"no, no, no, we can go here."

2245
02:08:38,794 --> 02:08:39,337
In between

2246
02:08:39,337 --> 02:08:40,171
all the action pieces,

2247
02:08:40,172 --> 02:08:44,466
there are some genuine high concept ideas
that get discussed about predestination

2248
02:08:44,467 --> 02:08:46,469
and your fate and what role
you play in history.

2249
02:08:46,510 --> 02:08:48,971
You're talking about things
that I haven't done yet

2250
02:08:49,013 --> 02:08:51,807
in the past tense.
It's driving me crazy.

2251
02:08:51,933 --> 02:08:53,141
Computers, once

2252
02:08:53,142 --> 02:08:56,646
they become sentient,
artificial intelligence will turn on us.

2253
02:08:56,979 --> 02:09:00,815
The technology itself will be
bent back upon us in the guise

2254
02:09:00,816 --> 02:09:04,111
of Arnold Schwarzenegger with an uzi.

2255
02:09:06,072 --> 02:09:07,698
Lance henriksen was

2256
02:09:07,740 --> 02:09:11,451
who Jim originally did his concept
sketch of the Terminator around.

2257
02:09:11,452 --> 02:09:14,705
With his skin coming away and
seeing the skeleton underneath.

2258
02:09:14,956 --> 02:09:18,541
I'm sure Lance was very disappointed
when he didn't get to play the Terminator,

2259
02:09:18,542 --> 02:09:21,712
but I can't imagine that
character without Arnold

2260
02:09:21,754 --> 02:09:23,297
portraying it.

2261
02:09:23,339 --> 02:09:25,299
Get out.

2262
02:09:26,884 --> 02:09:29,261
The Terminator skull itself,

2263
02:09:29,262 --> 02:09:33,139
many people don't know this,
the dimensions of it were arrived

2264
02:09:33,140 --> 02:09:37,686
at by taking a life cast of Arnold
and then carving down

2265
02:09:37,687 --> 02:09:41,565
from his features
down to a skull that would fit.

2266
02:09:41,857 --> 02:09:43,900
And those are Arnold's teeth.

2267
02:09:43,901 --> 02:09:46,153
The Terminator has Arnold
Schwarzenegger's teeth.

2268
02:09:46,696 --> 02:09:48,948
The point for Cameron was Sarah Connor.

2269
02:09:49,323 --> 02:09:53,369
He wanted the target to be the
most ordinary person he can imagine.

2270
02:09:53,494 --> 02:09:55,328
It's almost a hitchcockian rule.

2271
02:09:55,329 --> 02:09:56,579
The ordinary person.

2272
02:09:56,580 --> 02:09:58,039
With extraordinary circumstances.

2273
02:09:58,040 --> 02:09:59,708
That's what makes you relate.

2274
02:09:59,709 --> 02:10:03,461
Sarah Connor is an ordinary waitress
who will give birth to the savior

2275
02:10:03,462 --> 02:10:04,088
of the future.

2276
02:10:04,130 --> 02:10:07,091
I didn't ask for this honor,
and I don't want it!

2277
02:10:07,133 --> 02:10:08,592
Any of it!

2278
02:10:08,634 --> 02:10:11,595
Linda Hamilton and Michael biehn's
performance was incredible.

2279
02:10:12,179 --> 02:10:16,934
By the time the two of them got together
at the end, they so deserved it.

2280
02:10:16,976 --> 02:10:20,854
You knew exactly why
they were making love, obviously,

2281
02:10:20,855 --> 02:10:23,691
to save the world, to have this child.

2282
02:10:23,733 --> 02:10:25,693
I came across time
for you, Sarah.

2283
02:10:26,027 --> 02:10:28,029
I love you.

2284
02:10:28,070 --> 02:10:29,655
I always have.

2285
02:10:29,697 --> 02:10:31,781
She may be able to change the timeline

2286
02:10:31,782 --> 02:10:34,201
that she's on, is our future determined?

2287
02:10:34,952 --> 02:10:38,581
Do we have a choice in this algorithm
that we find ourselves in?

2288
02:10:38,998 --> 02:10:40,540
There is an ethical dilemma here.

2289
02:10:40,541 --> 02:10:42,793
We have to ask ourselves,
why are the terminators

2290
02:10:42,835 --> 02:10:44,336
trying to get rid of the humans?

2291
02:10:44,337 --> 02:10:47,214
Are the machines of the future
going to be environmentalists?

2292
02:10:47,673 --> 02:10:50,759
Because if they are, we better
be very frightened because we're

2293
02:10:50,760 --> 02:10:54,388
not doing the job that we need
to be doing to protect this planet.

2294
02:10:54,722 --> 02:10:57,807
And they may see us as a threat
and want to take us out.

2295
02:10:57,808 --> 02:10:59,810
I'll be back.

2296
02:11:12,531 --> 02:11:15,659
2010 is based on Arthur c. Clark's
novel: 2010 odyssey two,

2297
02:11:16,410 --> 02:11:19,872
which is itself a sequel to
the film version of 2001.

2298
02:11:20,748 --> 02:11:23,166
It has the thankless
task of being a sequel

2299
02:11:23,167 --> 02:11:25,628
to the greatest science
fiction film ever made.

2300
02:11:27,004 --> 02:11:29,130
The last thing you want to do
is make the sequel

2301
02:11:29,131 --> 02:11:33,511
to 2001 and piss off
Arthur c. Clark or Stanley kubrick.

2302
02:11:33,552 --> 02:11:37,890
That would not do the film unless kubrick
said okay and Arthur c. Clark said okay.

2303
02:11:37,932 --> 02:11:39,099
And Stanley kubrick, to me,

2304
02:11:39,100 --> 02:11:42,186
is one of the great directors of
the greatest directors that's ever lived.

2305
02:11:42,269 --> 02:11:43,604
I am not.

2306
02:11:43,938 --> 02:11:46,856
The only way to do
it was to make a film that

2307
02:11:46,857 --> 02:11:49,151
honestly could not be compared to 2001.

2308
02:11:52,571 --> 02:11:55,157
They're different in every possible way.

2309
02:11:56,992 --> 02:11:59,369
Kubrick said,
"just make sure it's yours.

2310
02:11:59,370 --> 02:12:00,730
Just make sure you
make your film.“

2311
02:12:02,665 --> 02:12:04,416
Roy scheider plays Heywood Floyd,

2312
02:12:04,417 --> 02:12:07,753
who was originally portrayed
by William Sylvester in 2001.

2313
02:12:08,254 --> 02:12:11,881
He has an opportunity to go out to Jupiter

2314
02:12:11,882 --> 02:12:15,302
and determine what actually happened
with the crew of the discovery.

2315
02:12:15,678 --> 02:12:19,222
Scheider, along with John lithgow
and Bob balaban,

2316
02:12:19,223 --> 02:12:22,601
hitch a ride aboard a Russian
spacecraft captained by Helen mirren.

2317
02:12:22,643 --> 02:12:25,145
What has happened
to American bravery?

2318
02:12:25,146 --> 02:12:27,148
Alive and well,
thank you very much.

2319
02:12:27,189 --> 02:12:29,191
What's happened to
Russian common sense?

2320
02:12:30,359 --> 02:12:32,819
This was the height of the Reagan era,
and here's a film

2321
02:12:32,820 --> 02:12:36,866
about Russians and Americans
doing a joint venture in space.

2322
02:12:37,450 --> 02:12:40,619
In Arthur's book, everybody
got along famously.

2323
02:12:40,703 --> 02:12:44,790
I thought it would be interesting
to have all hell break loose on earth

2324
02:12:45,207 --> 02:12:49,170
and have it become serious.

2325
02:12:49,211 --> 02:12:51,212
All American personnel are ordered
to leave Soviet teritorry

2326
02:12:51,213 --> 02:12:53,215
immediately, or they will
be placed under arrest.

2327
02:12:53,299 --> 02:12:54,632
It plays with the cold war

2328
02:12:54,633 --> 02:13:00,013
thing, the early '803 paranoia
that we had, but it also takes hal,

2329
02:13:00,014 --> 02:13:02,850
who is essentially the villain in 2001

2330
02:13:03,225 --> 02:13:06,770
and kind of reprograms him to be the hero.

2331
02:13:06,812 --> 02:13:08,772
Do you want me to stay with you?

2332
02:13:08,814 --> 02:13:12,318
No. It is better for
the mission if you leave.

2333
02:13:13,486 --> 02:13:14,694
Keir dullea returns to

2334
02:13:14,695 --> 02:13:17,406
reprise his role as Dave bowman.

2335
02:13:19,825 --> 02:13:22,995
And Douglas rain
returns to voice hal,

2336
02:13:23,329 --> 02:13:24,121
the computer.

2337
02:13:24,163 --> 02:13:25,748
Talked to Floyd?

2338
02:13:25,789 --> 02:13:26,582
Yes.

2339
02:13:26,624 --> 02:13:28,292
Would you like to
play a game of chess?

2340
02:13:28,334 --> 02:13:29,084
I play very well.

2341
02:13:29,084 --> 02:13:30,084
I'm sure you do.

2342
02:13:30,211 --> 02:13:32,630
I had recorded Douglas first.

2343
02:13:33,005 --> 02:13:36,634
So when keir did his scenes,
he did them with hal.

2344
02:13:36,675 --> 02:13:38,636
I'm afraid.

2345
02:13:38,677 --> 02:13:40,971
Don't be. We'll be together.

2346
02:13:41,013 --> 02:13:43,389
And he came to me aftennards in tears,

2347
02:13:43,390 --> 02:13:48,354
because when he did 2001, he did it
with a cockney third assistant director.

2348
02:13:48,562 --> 02:13:51,022
Open the pod bay doors, hal.

2349
02:13:51,023 --> 02:13:53,234
Sorry, Dave.
Can't do that, Dave.

2350
02:13:53,275 --> 02:13:55,778
We use the docking ring in
leonov to attach to the discovery.

2351
02:13:59,406 --> 02:14:01,575
For a trip back home.

2352
02:14:02,159 --> 02:14:04,452
Roy scheider was joy

2353
02:14:04,453 --> 02:14:06,997
the only quirk with Roy was
he was always in the sun.

2354
02:14:07,248 --> 02:14:10,042
He would be outside the
studio with a reflector.

2355
02:14:10,209 --> 02:14:13,462
The crew put the sign of scheider beach
outside the stage.

2356
02:14:15,089 --> 02:14:19,468
In 2001, the monolith was a sentinel,
it's an alarm that goes off

2357
02:14:19,635 --> 02:14:22,096
that tells some other

2358
02:14:22,555 --> 02:14:25,140
intelligence that somebody
has stepped on the moon.

2359
02:14:25,641 --> 02:14:29,061
I certainly think they left a lot
to people's own interpretation.

2360
02:14:33,607 --> 02:14:34,649
In 2010, the

2361
02:14:34,650 --> 02:14:37,403
monolith is a basic life form
building block.

2362
02:14:37,653 --> 02:14:39,655
I think it's kind of futuristic DNA.

2363
02:14:40,155 --> 02:14:42,283
I tried to make a science feasible film.

2364
02:14:42,449 --> 02:14:44,785
I just wanted to make a film
that was completely different,

2365
02:14:45,119 --> 02:14:48,581
so it could not rightfully
be compared to 2001

2366
02:14:48,747 --> 02:14:51,000
because I can't be compared
to Stanley kubrick.

2367
02:14:51,166 --> 02:14:53,252
It's as simple as that.

2368
02:14:53,294 --> 02:14:55,295
What's going to happen?

2369
02:14:55,296 --> 02:14:57,298
Something wonderful.

2370
02:15:04,722 --> 02:15:07,224
Dune, a world beyond
your experience,

2371
02:15:07,266 --> 02:15:09,268
beyond your imagination.

2372
02:15:11,312 --> 02:15:11,937
Dune,

2373
02:15:11,938 --> 02:15:15,940
that's a huge, bestselling book
with a dedicated fan following.

2374
02:15:15,941 --> 02:15:19,820
Back in the '803,
those marketers,

2375
02:15:20,321 --> 02:15:24,742
they had no idea. They couldn't figure
out how to sell the real hard sci fi,

2376
02:15:25,451 --> 02:15:28,620
even though there was huge demand for it.

2377
02:15:28,621 --> 02:15:29,996
People weren't ready for them.

2378
02:15:29,997 --> 02:15:31,789
The precedent hadn't been set.

2379
02:15:31,790 --> 02:15:35,753
Dune takes place on four planets,
I could never keep them straight.

2380
02:15:35,794 --> 02:15:37,713
I've had more fun with sand at the beach.

2381
02:15:40,299 --> 02:15:43,259
David lynch's dune,
is this brilliantly evocative story

2382
02:15:43,260 --> 02:15:46,221
about 3000 years into the future,

2383
02:15:46,430 --> 02:15:49,475
and it's all about the planet dune Iraqis

2384
02:15:50,184 --> 02:15:52,686
the source of spice.

2385
02:15:52,728 --> 02:15:54,688
The spice extends life.

2386
02:15:54,730 --> 02:15:56,732
The spice expands consciousness.

2387
02:15:59,193 --> 02:16:03,739
The metaphor is it's about the middle east
and about discovery of oil

2388
02:16:03,989 --> 02:16:06,469
and how everybody wants
to get their hands on it and occupy it.

2389
02:16:06,700 --> 02:16:08,660
I mean, the drug metaphors
are quite clear.

2390
02:16:08,661 --> 02:16:10,245
You know, throughout.

2391
02:16:10,287 --> 02:16:12,288
Thoughts acquire speed,
the lips acquire stains,

2392
02:16:12,289 --> 02:16:15,584
stains become a warning. It is by
will alone I set my mind in motion.

2393
02:16:17,336 --> 02:16:18,670
But it's this wonderful kind

2394
02:16:18,671 --> 02:16:21,881
of messianic adventure story,

2395
02:16:21,882 --> 02:16:25,302
full of great detail.

2396
02:16:25,344 --> 02:16:28,096
So the design of the
technology, the spacecraft,

2397
02:16:28,097 --> 02:16:32,850
and the hardware is lynchian.
Wonderful sort of gothic sensibility

2398
02:16:32,851 --> 02:16:36,689
or art deco. When you get David lynch
making anything,

2399
02:16:36,814 --> 02:16:40,442
he is fascinated by the textures

2400
02:16:40,734 --> 02:16:43,946
of existence and life.

2401
02:16:44,530 --> 02:16:47,783
The thing that came
in, we were just like, oh lord,

2402
02:16:49,952 --> 02:16:52,329
they were so ugly.

2403
02:16:53,205 --> 02:16:55,289
Who's going to clean up
the messes in science fiction.

2404
02:16:55,290 --> 02:16:58,543
Who's the guy with the mop.

2405
02:16:58,544 --> 02:17:02,047
And of course, we were obsessed with
this idea of what the worms looked like.

2406
02:17:02,339 --> 02:17:06,676
They were the great challenge
of making dune work and very wisely,

2407
02:17:06,677 --> 02:17:11,807
lynch called upon the talents of Carlo
rambaldi, who was the great puppet creator.

2408
02:17:13,267 --> 02:17:16,269
The worms, little...

2409
02:17:16,270 --> 02:17:19,440
And then we had t-shirts on the show
that said 'i rode the worm'

2410
02:17:19,857 --> 02:17:21,942
and it was ridiculous, you know?

2411
02:17:21,984 --> 02:17:24,361
I am chani, daughter of liet.

2412
02:17:24,403 --> 02:17:26,405
From my dreams.

2413
02:17:27,781 --> 02:17:28,323
The first day

2414
02:17:28,324 --> 02:17:31,367
of working on dune, I was a little scared.

2415
02:17:31,368 --> 02:17:34,203
That's a huge project.

2416
02:17:34,204 --> 02:17:36,206
I will love you forever.

2417
02:17:36,248 --> 02:17:37,416
You are my life.

2418
02:17:37,458 --> 02:17:40,335
Kyle was a lot of fun,
and he was very diligent.

2419
02:17:40,836 --> 02:17:42,671
He worked hard.

2420
02:17:45,090 --> 02:17:47,133
And he really wanted to do the best job

2421
02:17:47,134 --> 02:17:48,134
he could.

2422
02:17:49,011 --> 02:17:51,013
- The pain!
- Enough!

2423
02:17:51,972 --> 02:17:54,474
Siam felt pretty silly
in that blue thong,

2424
02:17:54,475 --> 02:17:57,644
I got to tell you, he was
kind of like, oh my god.

2425
02:17:59,563 --> 02:18:02,106
I just used to crack up
whenever I saw myself

2426
02:18:02,107 --> 02:18:06,069
on that movie, going, "more deep!"

2427
02:18:06,111 --> 02:18:08,071
More deep!

2428
02:18:09,490 --> 02:18:11,617
The stillsuit is built for you.

2429
02:18:11,950 --> 02:18:15,037
With a fremen suit
in good working condition,

2430
02:18:15,078 --> 02:18:17,079
life can be sustained for weeks.

2431
02:18:17,080 --> 02:18:19,082
Even in the deep desert, sire.

2432
02:18:20,000 --> 02:18:22,251
They took about half an hour to get on,

2433
02:18:22,252 --> 02:18:24,128
and then basically we
wouldn't take them off,

2434
02:18:24,129 --> 02:18:26,214
but they'd zip down to here,
but we'd squirm

2435
02:18:26,215 --> 02:18:29,218
out of the top of them
and you'd literally avoid liquids

2436
02:18:30,052 --> 02:18:33,638
so that you wouldn't be the one saying,
I have to go to the bathroom

2437
02:18:33,639 --> 02:18:35,264
and make everybody wait half an hour

2438
02:18:35,265 --> 02:18:38,602
while you go over to where the
bathroom is in churubusco studios.

2439
02:18:39,853 --> 02:18:42,564
Your ears and nose, and
your scalp and your skin

2440
02:18:43,065 --> 02:18:47,527
and your body was just filthy,
so it was quite a commitment

2441
02:18:47,528 --> 02:18:49,863
to clean every night.

2442
02:18:51,365 --> 02:18:54,659
. I think David at a certain
point was like, holy crap,

2443
02:18:54,660 --> 02:18:57,788
this is a big project because he would go,
"well, we'll fix it in post."

2444
02:18:57,913 --> 02:19:00,582
I remember saying, "oh oh“, you know.

2445
02:19:00,624 --> 02:19:02,626
Long live Duke leto!

2446
02:19:05,254 --> 02:19:08,047
After a while, man, it really
just became like

2447
02:19:08,048 --> 02:19:10,717
everybody would get off work
and hit the bar.

2448
02:19:14,346 --> 02:19:16,557
When people saw the movie dune,

2449
02:19:16,974 --> 02:19:19,226
they would be handed a glossary sheet.

2450
02:19:20,519 --> 02:19:23,604
There was a lot of dazzle factor with it,

2451
02:19:23,605 --> 02:19:26,191
but the characters themselves,
it was hard to

2452
02:19:27,234 --> 02:19:29,736
for me anyway, it was hard
to relate to it sometimes.

2453
02:19:29,778 --> 02:19:31,780
I will kill him!

2454
02:19:35,284 --> 02:19:37,285
Paul!

2455
02:19:37,286 --> 02:19:39,745
Why dune didn't didn't land,

2456
02:19:39,746 --> 02:19:44,125
I think, is debatable, but it didn't,
and some people still love that movie

2457
02:19:44,126 --> 02:19:47,462
and some people it never landed
with, no matter how much time passed.

2458
02:19:47,880 --> 02:19:53,260
I think David in a way felt out
of his element. With the other films,

2459
02:19:53,302 --> 02:19:55,469
I think he had much more control.

2460
02:19:55,470 --> 02:19:59,223
The struggle is what's more
common in show business is people

2461
02:19:59,224 --> 02:20:02,226
struggling to get that vision out,
and I don't think he had ever

2462
02:20:02,227 --> 02:20:05,230
experienced that obstacle before.

2463
02:20:10,527 --> 02:20:13,238
Tom Selleck

2464
02:20:13,280 --> 02:20:14,948
Cynthia rhodes

2465
02:20:14,990 --> 02:20:16,991
gene Simmons

2466
02:20:16,992 --> 02:20:18,994
runaway

2467
02:20:19,202 --> 02:20:21,538
runaway was directed
by Michael crichton.

2468
02:20:21,997 --> 02:20:26,418
It is a futuristic cop
movie about robots

2469
02:20:26,585 --> 02:20:28,879
that are programed to kill people.

2470
02:20:35,302 --> 02:20:36,552
I played the bad guy.

2471
02:20:36,553 --> 02:20:38,304
No, really?

2472
02:20:38,305 --> 02:20:40,474
A guy named Luther.

2473
02:20:40,515 --> 02:20:42,517
I said drop your gun.

2474
02:20:44,019 --> 02:20:46,521
I'm not kidding, asshole.

2475
02:20:46,605 --> 02:20:48,649
The way I auditioned is, he said,

2476
02:20:48,982 --> 02:20:53,028
"look into my eyes with intensity
that you're going to kill me."

2477
02:20:53,070 --> 02:20:54,153
So I just looked at him.

2478
02:20:54,154 --> 02:20:56,405
He says, "okay, you got the job."

2479
02:20:56,406 --> 02:20:58,699
I never read for the part.

2480
02:20:58,700 --> 02:20:59,785
| just

2481
02:21:00,243 --> 02:21:02,329
did a lot of brooding.

2482
02:21:04,831 --> 02:21:08,377
Kiss meets the phantom of the park.

2483
02:21:11,672 --> 02:21:12,589
Other than that,

2484
02:21:12,590 --> 02:21:15,801
runaway was gene's
first villain role, for sure.

2485
02:21:17,469 --> 02:21:18,844
I loved Magnum p.I.

2486
02:21:18,845 --> 02:21:23,350
And I also loved kiss growing up.
Gene and his crazy tongue.

2487
02:21:23,684 --> 02:21:26,268
I remember when I met him
the first time I was like,

2488
02:21:26,269 --> 02:21:29,146
"do you really have a goat's tongue
sewed onto your own?"

2489
02:21:29,147 --> 02:21:32,858
And he'sjust like,
"no, it's just really long.

2490
02:21:32,859 --> 02:21:34,403
The ladies love it, right?"

2491
02:21:36,822 --> 02:21:39,741
Hey, come on, tiger.

2492
02:21:41,243 --> 02:21:43,495
The father-son scenes
with Tom Selleck

2493
02:21:43,620 --> 02:21:45,121
came out real.

2494
02:21:45,122 --> 02:21:47,624
It wouldn't kill you to get
married again, you know.

2495
02:21:47,666 --> 02:21:50,167
I know. It wouldn't kill
you to go to sleep.

2496
02:21:50,168 --> 02:21:54,423
The heart of the story and finding that
underlying humanity and connection

2497
02:21:54,464 --> 02:21:57,134
or relatability to the characters
in these stories.

2498
02:22:01,763 --> 02:22:05,099
Advanced technology
in the movie with my gun,

2499
02:22:05,100 --> 02:22:07,602
which I have in my collection,
I have that original gun,

2500
02:22:08,228 --> 02:22:10,856
you shoot the bullet
and it goes around and finds you.

2501
02:22:12,190 --> 02:22:13,608
Heat seeking.

2502
02:22:19,114 --> 02:22:22,367
Little remote control cars.

2503
02:22:25,537 --> 02:22:27,539
One down.

2504
02:22:27,581 --> 02:22:30,000
The spiders that shot acid.

2505
02:22:33,670 --> 02:22:35,421
Those were remote control, really neat.

2506
02:22:35,422 --> 02:22:37,423
There was a couple
of different kinds.

2507
02:22:37,424 --> 02:22:38,799
Some would jump.

2508
02:22:38,800 --> 02:22:41,260
Some would scurry.

2509
02:22:41,261 --> 02:22:42,845
I wanted a spider

2510
02:22:42,846 --> 02:22:44,765
so bad.

2511
02:22:44,806 --> 02:22:46,808
Dad, are you coming to get me?

2512
02:22:47,142 --> 02:22:49,561
Kids in dangerous situations, yeah,

2513
02:22:49,811 --> 02:22:52,647
the '803 were a little
more free with that.

2514
02:22:52,689 --> 02:22:55,484
Let him go. Now!

2515
02:22:57,069 --> 02:22:58,402
He's going to let him get killed

2516
02:22:58,403 --> 02:23:03,115
by these crazy acid blowing up spiders.
And it's pretty dark.

2517
02:23:03,116 --> 02:23:06,161
The spiders will let you in,
but they won't let you out.

2518
02:23:06,203 --> 02:23:08,580
I can't have any witnesses,
it's too messy.

2519
02:23:08,705 --> 02:23:11,916
The spiders have been programmed to
kill the first person that comes out

2520
02:23:11,917 --> 02:23:13,542
of the elevator.

2521
02:23:13,543 --> 02:23:16,963
He was just like, "what? Bobby!“

2522
02:23:17,005 --> 02:23:17,172
Bobby!

2523
02:23:17,214 --> 02:23:18,090
I thought it was good.

2524
02:23:18,091 --> 02:23:19,632
I thought it came off well.

2525
02:23:19,633 --> 02:23:21,258
Is the movie a triple a movie?

2526
02:23:21,259 --> 02:23:24,970
No, but my kids saw it
and they gave me a thumbs up.

2527
02:23:24,971 --> 02:23:26,640
That's good enough.

2528
02:23:29,184 --> 02:23:31,561
Ohoh

2529
02:23:38,860 --> 02:23:41,905
Creature effects are a huge part
of the science fiction experience.

2530
02:23:42,239 --> 02:23:45,325
It is so important that we
believe that the creature is real.

2531
02:23:48,703 --> 02:23:51,413
They're really important decisions
for how these films work

2532
02:23:51,414 --> 02:23:54,835
or don't work, if the alien hadn't
worked in alien and aliens,

2533
02:23:54,960 --> 02:23:56,085
they don't work at all.

2534
02:23:56,086 --> 02:23:59,506
And if e.T. Is absurd, then e.T. Fails.

2535
02:23:59,714 --> 02:24:02,801
When you see something on screen,
that you know for a fact

2536
02:24:03,510 --> 02:24:05,219
was just a bunch of people pushing
buttons in a dark room somewhere,

2537
02:24:05,220 --> 02:24:06,762
there's a disconnect there.

2538
02:24:06,763 --> 02:24:07,972
But if you see something,

2539
02:24:07,973 --> 02:24:10,975
even if it doesn't look perfectly real,
that's a practical effect.

2540
02:24:10,976 --> 02:24:14,980
You're like, wow! How did they do that?
Where are the operators, what the hell.

2541
02:24:15,480 --> 02:24:17,399
And so there is a connection there.

2542
02:24:19,192 --> 02:24:22,279
There's a charm,
it's a stylistic approach.

2543
02:24:25,115 --> 02:24:28,451
They were still dynamic enough
when presented the right way

2544
02:24:28,660 --> 02:24:32,079
to immerse you in it, and you
forget all about the technology,

2545
02:24:32,080 --> 02:24:34,332
which is a good thing,
and you just follow the story.

2546
02:24:34,875 --> 02:24:36,167
I think that was true of Yoda.

2547
02:24:36,168 --> 02:24:37,751
I think that was true of et.

2548
02:24:37,752 --> 02:24:39,086
I saw an early e.T.

2549
02:24:39,087 --> 02:24:42,339
Without the sound effects, and I was like,
"uh, I don't know about this."

2550
02:24:42,340 --> 02:24:45,634
You see it with sound and music and
fine cutting, you don't question

2551
02:24:45,635 --> 02:24:46,635
anything.

2552
02:24:46,636 --> 02:24:48,638
E.t. Found home.

2553
02:24:49,055 --> 02:24:50,973
E.t.'s design was magical,

2554
02:24:50,974 --> 02:24:53,894
in the scenes
that I did with e.T.

2555
02:24:54,186 --> 02:24:57,730
I could suspend my imagination like that.

2556
02:24:57,731 --> 02:25:00,442
It was just like working with another kid.

2557
02:25:02,736 --> 02:25:04,195
When we first saw

2558
02:25:04,196 --> 02:25:07,991
the Yoda stuff and some of
the rushes, it was like,

2559
02:25:08,200 --> 02:25:11,786
I don't know about this puppet.

2560
02:25:12,204 --> 02:25:15,624
And then you see it
cut together in the scene and it's like,

2561
02:25:16,041 --> 02:25:19,794
yeah, totally works.
You buy the intention.

2562
02:25:19,836 --> 02:25:21,837
I'm looking for someone.

2563
02:25:21,838 --> 02:25:23,840
Looking? Found someone you
have I would say.

2564
02:25:25,800 --> 02:25:27,134
The walking Yoda.

2565
02:25:27,135 --> 02:25:31,389
It was a long prospective shot
they wanted, and they were looking for

2566
02:25:31,514 --> 02:25:35,352
a perfectly proportioned guy
that'll fit in the costume.

2567
02:25:35,685 --> 02:25:38,188
They said, "you're too
tall to be Yoda."

2568
02:25:38,230 --> 02:25:42,108
So they gave me the knee pads and
you have to learn to walk on the knees.

2569
02:25:42,817 --> 02:25:45,820
I worked with Kenny baker on star wars,

2570
02:25:45,987 --> 02:25:49,449
used to have too many beers at lunchtime.

2571
02:25:50,533 --> 02:25:54,120
Couldn't get in, and Dave
tomlin would go, “get into r2-d2.”

2572
02:25:54,704 --> 02:25:57,624
I said, “but that's not made for me.”
he said,

2573
02:25:58,124 --> 02:25:59,208
“yeah, get in there.”

2574
02:25:59,209 --> 02:26:03,003
Kenny was only three feet,
seven inches tall.

2575
02:26:03,004 --> 02:26:06,799
Man, I'm 4“4. To squeeze
into that was hard.

2576
02:26:06,800 --> 02:26:08,092
It was tough.

2577
02:26:08,093 --> 02:26:12,138
I love that every creature effect
is a team of people working together,

2578
02:26:12,389 --> 02:26:17,018
whether it is all of the puppeteers
doing jabba the hutt,

2579
02:26:17,394 --> 02:26:22,274
whether it is one guy
in a suit in predator.

2580
02:26:22,941 --> 02:26:26,528
That giant space worm in the
asteroid in empire strikes back.

2581
02:26:29,322 --> 02:26:33,118
I love that that thing
looks like an oven mitt.

2582
02:26:33,576 --> 02:26:35,828
And it's just someone going like,

2583
02:26:35,829 --> 02:26:38,581
chase it out and do that.

2584
02:26:40,625 --> 02:26:41,209
I'm just certain

2585
02:26:41,210 --> 02:26:44,336
slimer is my most lovable,
endearing creation,

2586
02:26:44,337 --> 02:26:47,382
and for those of you that don't
know how he was made,

2587
02:26:48,216 --> 02:26:50,092
I tried to look at it
as a cartoon character.

2588
02:26:50,093 --> 02:26:52,428
You know, slimer was big.
It wasn't actually a puppet.

2589
02:26:52,429 --> 02:26:55,598
It was a device that a gentleman
named Mark Wilson wore.

2590
02:26:55,932 --> 02:26:57,182
He looked through the mouth.

2591
02:26:57,183 --> 02:26:58,976
We shot against a black stage.

2592
02:26:58,977 --> 02:27:02,397
I can get people in black suits
as many people around him as possible

2593
02:27:02,772 --> 02:27:06,818
to stick their arms in this puppet
and muscle a smile, even the tongue

2594
02:27:07,319 --> 02:27:10,080
that comes out of his mouth
and licks his lips, that's a tongue glove.

2595
02:27:10,655 --> 02:27:13,032
The whole thing was just to make him
as funny as possible.

2596
02:27:13,033 --> 02:27:15,534
In the movie it works, and I'm really
happy with it, it's the most iconic

2597
02:27:15,535 --> 02:27:16,535
thing I've worked on.

2598
02:27:18,747 --> 02:27:20,581
Everybody knows slimer.

2599
02:27:20,582 --> 02:27:21,333
He slimed me.

2600
02:27:21,374 --> 02:27:24,335
The thing for me has yet to be surpassed

2601
02:27:24,336 --> 02:27:28,256
in the ingenuity and imagination
that you see on screen.

2602
02:27:28,715 --> 02:27:32,885
Rob bottin was the mastermind
behind the majority

2603
02:27:32,886 --> 02:27:36,930
of what you see. At a certain
point during the production,

2604
02:27:36,931 --> 02:27:39,058
Rob was ovennhelmed.

2605
02:27:39,059 --> 02:27:41,769
He was ill and he was not able

2606
02:27:41,770 --> 02:27:45,190
to finish the dog thing effect.

2607
02:27:45,648 --> 02:27:48,359
So Stan Winston decided

2608
02:27:48,360 --> 02:27:51,613
to really make it a very
simple hand puppet.

2609
02:27:51,988 --> 02:27:54,157
You can see if you really look for it,

2610
02:27:54,324 --> 02:27:57,493
the body is where the puppeteers
head is, and the head

2611
02:27:57,494 --> 02:28:01,331
and mouth are simply a hand puppet.

2612
02:28:04,334 --> 02:28:06,336
- Come on.
- Okey dokey

2613
02:28:06,378 --> 02:28:09,130
with Howard the duck, George
wanted to do it as a costume.

2614
02:28:09,172 --> 02:28:12,008
I tried to talk to George out
of it, you know.

2615
02:28:12,092 --> 02:28:15,470
I was like, "you don't know
if it's going to work."

2616
02:28:15,553 --> 02:28:17,137
We don't have the flexibility

2617
02:28:17,138 --> 02:28:20,225
to do what we did today, what we would
be doing with computer graphics.

2618
02:28:20,683 --> 02:28:22,352
But it was going to be a guy in a suit.

2619
02:28:24,354 --> 02:28:25,729
It was a challenge.

2620
02:28:25,730 --> 02:28:27,189
My suit was animatronic.

2621
02:28:27,190 --> 02:28:30,443
We went through 19
different heads at 50,000 each.

2622
02:28:30,693 --> 02:28:33,321
It was put on, and then
hot glued shut.

2623
02:28:33,530 --> 02:28:35,698
So therefore I couldn't
take a regular break.

2624
02:28:36,199 --> 02:28:38,325
No lunch breaks and no breaks at all.

2625
02:28:38,326 --> 02:28:41,287
So they would drop M&M's
down my beak.

2626
02:28:42,080 --> 02:28:42,997
I was a natural.

2627
02:28:42,998 --> 02:28:45,250
I could find my Mark without seeing it.

2628
02:28:46,042 --> 02:28:49,129
If you move shit, tell the duck.

2629
02:28:49,170 --> 02:28:51,673
And I tripped over,
50,000 dollar mask on.

2630
02:28:51,714 --> 02:28:53,954
This is beginning to seriously
undermined my self-esteem.

2631
02:28:55,969 --> 02:28:57,261
Predator is the biggest black

2632
02:28:57,262 --> 02:29:00,181
Mark on my career for no
good goddamn reason.

2633
02:29:00,557 --> 02:29:03,643
They handed this design over
that their production designer had done,

2634
02:29:03,685 --> 02:29:05,602
and I immediately said,
"this is never going to work."

2635
02:29:05,603 --> 02:29:08,243
It didn't matter how much time
and money we had, it was impossible.

2636
02:29:08,898 --> 02:29:12,068
They hired Jeanne-Claude
because he's a martial arts expert,

2637
02:29:12,110 --> 02:29:14,529
and they put him in the suit
where he can barely totter.

2638
02:29:15,238 --> 02:29:17,907
It was meant to be
replaced and roto'd.

2639
02:29:18,783 --> 02:29:19,992
So of course the guy's like,

2640
02:29:19,993 --> 02:29:22,370
"why? Why did you even hire me?“

2641
02:29:23,621 --> 02:29:26,308
no one had bothered to tell from
production, and he gets there an goes,

2642
02:29:26,332 --> 02:29:27,749
"what's with the suit?"

2643
02:29:27,750 --> 02:29:30,031
And I said, "well, you're playing
a monster in this film.“

2644
02:29:30,128 --> 02:29:31,920
“I never thought it was
a real suit."

2645
02:29:31,921 --> 02:29:32,714
"I hate this suit.

2646
02:29:32,715 --> 02:29:35,174
I look like a superhero."

2647
02:29:35,175 --> 02:29:36,800
And then he found out
he was going to be invisible

2648
02:29:36,801 --> 02:29:38,886
for half the movie,
and he was enraged about that.

2649
02:29:38,887 --> 02:29:40,095
He didn't know
about that, right?

2650
02:29:40,096 --> 02:29:43,975
Don't think these guys read the script?

2651
02:29:44,017 --> 02:29:45,100
I tried and tried to get them

2652
02:29:45,101 --> 02:29:48,688
to let me do something else
that I knew would work.

2653
02:29:49,439 --> 02:29:51,064
And they were like, "absolutely not.“

2654
02:29:51,065 --> 02:29:53,610
it was absolutely doomed
from the beginning.

2655
02:29:54,152 --> 02:29:55,903
They pulled the plug pretty quickly.

2656
02:29:55,904 --> 02:29:57,821
I think it was thanks to Arnold,

2657
02:29:57,822 --> 02:30:01,493
who had formed a relationship
with Stan Winston on the Terminator

2658
02:30:01,743 --> 02:30:04,783
that Stan was approached for the job,
"why don't you call Stan for this one?"

2659
02:30:05,288 --> 02:30:07,289
That's a terrible Arnold impression.

2660
02:30:07,290 --> 02:30:09,209
Knowing they had very little time,

2661
02:30:09,250 --> 02:30:12,794
they decided to take an old school
approach. It's just a man in a suit,

2662
02:30:12,795 --> 02:30:16,549
but it's a man in a suit with a killer

2663
02:30:16,716 --> 02:30:20,261
facial design and a killer finish.

2664
02:30:20,678 --> 02:30:23,973
And one of the great creature
suit performers of all time,

2665
02:30:24,015 --> 02:30:27,435
Kevin Peter hall, who had just done
Harry from Harry and the Hendersons.

2666
02:30:28,561 --> 02:30:31,271
Unlike the alien, the
predator could express

2667
02:30:31,272 --> 02:30:32,941
a little emotion when it looks at you,

2668
02:30:32,982 --> 02:30:36,361
you can almost sense its disapproval.

2669
02:30:40,865 --> 02:30:41,699
Alien,

2670
02:30:41,700 --> 02:30:45,327
one of the most unique
and influential creature

2671
02:30:45,328 --> 02:30:48,372
designs ever. In aliens,

2672
02:30:48,373 --> 02:30:53,126
James Cameron made the wise
decision to really honor

2673
02:30:53,127 --> 02:30:54,753
H.R. giger's designs.

2674
02:30:54,754 --> 02:30:58,549
They removed the clear
skull carapaz thing

2675
02:30:58,550 --> 02:31:01,052
to reveal this sort of bony
under structure.

2676
02:31:02,136 --> 02:31:04,221
It was a combination of men in suits,

2677
02:31:04,222 --> 02:31:06,974
cable actuated puppets.

2678
02:31:06,975 --> 02:31:09,851
And that sort of thing
to bring those alien warriors

2679
02:31:09,852 --> 02:31:10,852
to life.

2680
02:31:14,566 --> 02:31:18,318
You got gymnasts and dancers,
people could really morph

2681
02:31:18,319 --> 02:31:21,364
into these creatures bodies
and bring them to life.

2682
02:31:24,325 --> 02:31:27,704
Occasionally, when you had a break,
you know, you'd see one of these guys with

2683
02:31:27,912 --> 02:31:31,249
with their alien head tucked under
their arm, just smoking a cigaret, right?

2684
02:31:31,916 --> 02:31:35,168
I think it was quite amazing
to see how James Cameron

2685
02:31:35,169 --> 02:31:38,631
and Stan Winston worked
together to create the queen alien.

2686
02:31:39,340 --> 02:31:41,426
It was awe inspiring, really.

2687
02:31:42,594 --> 02:31:43,177
It was like

2688
02:31:43,178 --> 02:31:47,306
watching kabuki theater
Manning Poles that had wires,

2689
02:31:47,307 --> 02:31:50,642
going over pulleys that would work her arm

2690
02:31:50,643 --> 02:31:53,771
or make her walk fon/vard.

2691
02:31:58,943 --> 02:32:00,819
Then in the queen alien head,

2692
02:32:00,820 --> 02:32:06,199
the smallest special effect guy
on the crew, was tucked in her head

2693
02:32:06,200 --> 02:32:10,371
and his only job was to
push goo out of her teeth.

2694
02:32:14,876 --> 02:32:17,003
That was extraordinary filmmaking, man.

2695
02:32:17,629 --> 02:32:21,465
While most of the shots you
see of the alien queen are the full size

2696
02:32:21,466 --> 02:32:24,469
puppet or parts of the full sized puppet,
there are few moments

2697
02:32:24,802 --> 02:32:28,306
where it's actually a
rod puppeted miniature

2698
02:32:28,514 --> 02:32:32,810
built by the skotak brothers
from the Stan Winston studio maquette.

2699
02:32:32,935 --> 02:32:36,021
I mean, that film is the
perfect example of how

2700
02:32:36,022 --> 02:32:38,900
you take every technique

2701
02:32:39,233 --> 02:32:41,944
and you bring it all together,
and that's where magic happens.

2702
02:32:58,002 --> 02:33:00,003
This baby hits 88 miles per hour.

2703
02:33:00,004 --> 02:33:02,006
You're gonna see some
serious shit.

2704
02:33:02,840 --> 02:33:04,967
Back to the future.

2705
02:33:05,009 --> 02:33:06,969
How far you're going?

2706
02:33:07,720 --> 02:33:09,722
About 30 years.

2707
02:33:13,017 --> 02:33:14,267
I love time travel,

2708
02:33:14,268 --> 02:33:17,814
I love the idea that you could just be
transported somewhere in time.

2709
02:33:19,107 --> 02:33:21,150
I'm a huge back to the future fan.

2710
02:33:21,192 --> 02:33:25,613
It's a perfect movie, it's probably one of
the great Hollywood scripts of all time.

2711
02:33:26,072 --> 02:33:28,408
It's just an unbreachable screenplay.

2712
02:33:28,533 --> 02:33:30,910
1955

2713
02:33:32,537 --> 02:33:35,665
you're my mo-you're my mom.

2714
02:33:35,790 --> 02:33:36,582
People say to me,

2715
02:33:36,583 --> 02:33:39,585
“what would you say are the most
important aspects of screenwriting?"

2716
02:33:40,044 --> 02:33:43,798
I say, "there's three of them:
Character, character and character."

2717
02:33:44,590 --> 02:33:48,219
If you're not with your
characters, you've got nothing.

2718
02:33:49,554 --> 02:33:53,433
When you see doc brown
introduced in back to the future,

2719
02:33:53,516 --> 02:33:57,854
you're going to say, "okay, I will
believe that what he invents works.“

2720
02:33:58,062 --> 02:34:00,939
you look at the delorean
and you say, "yeah, this looks like

2721
02:34:00,940 --> 02:34:03,943
it's something that the guy actually
did build in his garage.“

2722
02:34:03,985 --> 02:34:06,278
I'm from the future.

2723
02:34:06,279 --> 02:34:09,407
I came here in a time machine
that you inveneted.

2724
02:34:10,074 --> 02:34:11,616
Yes, we can have fun with the

2725
02:34:11,617 --> 02:34:15,163
bells and whistles of time travel,
the clock tower, all that stuff.

2726
02:34:15,455 --> 02:34:19,250
But the end of the day, what we
have in back to the future

2727
02:34:19,500 --> 02:34:23,962
is a very simple idea,
which is what would happen

2728
02:34:23,963 --> 02:34:27,008
if I was there on my parents' first date.

2729
02:34:27,300 --> 02:34:28,759
We had always wanted Michael j. Fox

2730
02:34:28,760 --> 02:34:33,347
to play Marty mcfly, but we couldn't
get him out of family ties TV series.

2731
02:34:33,973 --> 02:34:36,641
We cast Eric stoltz, particularly

2732
02:34:36,642 --> 02:34:39,770
at the urging of sid sheinberg.

2733
02:34:39,771 --> 02:34:43,816
President of mca. Sheinberg
actually said, "I am so sure

2734
02:34:44,150 --> 02:34:47,320
that Eric stoltz is going to be great
in this that if he's not,

2735
02:34:47,737 --> 02:34:50,364
you know, you start the movie
all over again with somebody else."

2736
02:34:50,907 --> 02:34:53,951
Now, he never expected
us to take him up on that.

2737
02:34:55,203 --> 02:34:59,457
Eric didn't have the natural sense
of humor that Michael j. Fox had.

2738
02:34:59,999 --> 02:35:03,169
He kind of played it less for laughs.

2739
02:35:04,629 --> 02:35:08,006
Bob zemeckis gave Eric
the bad news on Thursday night

2740
02:35:08,007 --> 02:35:12,887
and the following Monday or Tuesday night,
we were back at twin pines mall.

2741
02:35:13,012 --> 02:35:14,095
It was the first
time Michael j. Fox

2742
02:35:14,096 --> 02:35:17,141
came to work. Once
he started performing,

2743
02:35:17,225 --> 02:35:21,437
everybody could see this is Marty mcfly.

2744
02:35:21,479 --> 02:35:23,481
Are you telling me that
you built a time machine

2745
02:35:24,273 --> 02:35:26,274
out of a delorean?

2746
02:35:26,275 --> 02:35:28,236
The way I see it...

2747
02:35:28,277 --> 02:35:31,072
With the costars,
he brought things out in them,

2748
02:35:31,280 --> 02:35:33,616
and so Christopher Lloyd was better.

2749
02:35:33,658 --> 02:35:35,660
I finally inveneted
something that works!

2750
02:35:36,786 --> 02:35:39,497
Lea Thompson was way better.

2751
02:35:40,289 --> 02:35:42,291
Oh my god, he's a dream.

2752
02:35:42,333 --> 02:35:44,836
Wait a minute, doc, are you trying
to tell me that my mother

2753
02:35:44,877 --> 02:35:46,879
- has got the hots for me?
- Precisely!

2754
02:35:47,296 --> 02:35:50,800
The scene with Marty
and Lorraine in the car

2755
02:35:51,050 --> 02:35:55,471
that was always a
really critical scene

2756
02:35:55,805 --> 02:35:59,016
to be able to pull that off.

2757
02:35:59,058 --> 02:35:59,851
Don't worry.

2758
02:35:59,892 --> 02:36:02,478
If this was going to work,
Lorraine had to break it off.

2759
02:36:02,937 --> 02:36:04,479
We wrote this line,

2760
02:36:04,480 --> 02:36:06,440
"I feel like I'm kissing..."

2761
02:36:06,482 --> 02:36:07,733
My brother.

2762
02:36:07,775 --> 02:36:09,276
The look on Michael j. Fox's

2763
02:36:09,277 --> 02:36:12,237
face when she pulls away

2764
02:36:12,238 --> 02:36:14,949
after she makes the
move, is priceless.

2765
02:36:15,658 --> 02:36:18,870
It gives us permission to make that work.

2766
02:36:19,078 --> 02:36:21,246
Would it have worked like that with Eric?

2767
02:36:21,247 --> 02:36:24,083
I don't think it had a chance
of working like that.

2768
02:36:25,293 --> 02:36:28,503
This is why actors get the
kind of salaries that they get,

2769
02:36:28,504 --> 02:36:31,549
because when they're
that good, it's worth it.

2770
02:36:32,967 --> 02:36:35,469
This one tells you where you're going.

2771
02:36:35,595 --> 02:36:37,512
This one tells you where you're are.

2772
02:36:37,513 --> 02:36:38,782
This one tells you where you were.

2773
02:36:38,806 --> 02:36:42,226
There are basically two different
kinds of time travel in science fiction.

2774
02:36:42,560 --> 02:36:45,247
There's the ones where you can change
the past and there's ones where you can't.

2775
02:36:45,271 --> 02:36:47,231
Science fiction theater.

2776
02:36:49,066 --> 02:36:52,986
The third kind of time travel is what
I call the back to the future mechanic.

2777
02:36:52,987 --> 02:36:55,591
The picture in back to the future
is the quintessential example of that.

2778
02:36:55,615 --> 02:36:59,076
They establish that as this is the way
things work and they stick to that.

2779
02:36:59,118 --> 02:37:01,078
It's like it has been erased.

2780
02:37:01,120 --> 02:37:03,414
Erased.

2781
02:37:04,874 --> 02:37:05,374
That's the first

2782
02:37:05,416 --> 02:37:08,419
rule of science fiction, you establish
some rules, you stick to those rules.

2783
02:37:08,461 --> 02:37:12,423
It helps, of course,
obviously that it's a comedy.

2784
02:37:12,465 --> 02:37:13,901
We are sending you
back to the future!

2785
02:37:13,925 --> 02:37:16,009
One of the questions ilm had for us

2786
02:37:16,010 --> 02:37:18,596
is what is it going to look
like to the time traveler?

2787
02:37:19,055 --> 02:37:22,058
And they were suggesting
all kinds of elaborate effects.

2788
02:37:22,308 --> 02:37:26,187
But at the end of the day, Bob and I said
“time travel should be instantaneous,

2789
02:37:26,312 --> 02:37:29,857
so let's just get on with it."

2790
02:37:34,445 --> 02:37:37,656
Going back to our belief
that what we were telling here

2791
02:37:37,657 --> 02:37:41,744
really was a human story,
it was not a story about technology.

2792
02:37:43,412 --> 02:37:46,998
People say to me,
"why do you think back to the future

2793
02:37:46,999 --> 02:37:50,251
is still as compelling and popular today

2794
02:37:50,252 --> 02:37:52,838
as it was back in the day?"

2795
02:37:52,880 --> 02:37:54,881
Hello? Hello? Anybdoy home?

2796
02:37:54,882 --> 02:37:56,884
- Think, mcfly!
- Think.

2797
02:37:56,968 --> 02:37:58,260
It's all about the characters.

2798
02:37:59,595 --> 02:38:04,058
These are all really
powerful human elements.

2799
02:38:04,308 --> 02:38:07,311
And that is what the movie is about.

2800
02:38:07,353 --> 02:38:11,315
Roads? Where we're
going we don't need roads.

2801
02:38:19,949 --> 02:38:22,952
From the producers of jaws,
and the director of splash,

2802
02:38:23,202 --> 02:38:26,163
cocoon

2803
02:38:26,330 --> 02:38:27,248
one of the things I think

2804
02:38:27,249 --> 02:38:31,918
was very evident in the '803,
we saw a lot of young heroes,

2805
02:38:31,919 --> 02:38:35,423
we saw a lot of youth
in this physical prowess.

2806
02:38:36,632 --> 02:38:39,510
What cocoon did, in a
very interesting way

2807
02:38:39,927 --> 02:38:43,346
call into this social standard of

2808
02:38:43,347 --> 02:38:48,560
what old means. A movie like batteries
not included really wouldn't exist

2809
02:38:48,561 --> 02:38:53,566
without the proof of concept
that cocoon was able to supply

2810
02:38:53,607 --> 02:38:55,526
to the industry.

2811
02:38:55,568 --> 02:38:57,069
Everything's happening so fast...

2812
02:38:57,111 --> 02:38:58,194
I absolutely love

2813
02:38:58,195 --> 02:39:01,490
cocoon, beautiful Ron Howard film.

2814
02:39:01,532 --> 02:39:05,744
It's a science fiction film about aliens,
but not really.

2815
02:39:05,745 --> 02:39:08,497
Cocoon is about aging, it's about life.

2816
02:39:08,706 --> 02:39:11,625
Don ameche, Jessica tandy,
hume cronyn, were these

2817
02:39:12,251 --> 02:39:14,502
aging actors.

2818
02:39:14,503 --> 02:39:17,130
Will you still love me when
I can't keep up with you?

2819
02:39:17,131 --> 02:39:19,341
Of course. I love you now
and you can't keep up with me.

2820
02:39:19,425 --> 02:39:22,511
Wilford brimley, who played one
of the older gentlemen in the movie,

2821
02:39:22,636 --> 02:39:26,307
was only 50 years old
during the making of that film.

2822
02:39:28,476 --> 02:39:31,728
They're in this old folks home and doing
what they're doing, every now and again,

2823
02:39:31,729 --> 02:39:34,899
they would go to the swimming pool
and just fool around and have some fun.

2824
02:39:36,901 --> 02:39:39,486
What they don't realize
is that at the bottom of the pool

2825
02:39:39,487 --> 02:39:41,989
are these cocoohs.

2826
02:39:42,031 --> 02:39:44,033
What are rocks doing in a pool?

2827
02:39:44,325 --> 02:39:46,994
These older folks
start to feel rejuvenated.

2828
02:39:47,078 --> 02:39:49,080
They can do things
they couldn't do before.

2829
02:39:49,497 --> 02:39:51,915
You think there's cocaine
in that pool?

2830
02:39:51,916 --> 02:39:53,375
Might be.

2831
02:39:53,417 --> 02:39:55,752
They would do their favorite things,
they would go dancing,

2832
02:39:55,753 --> 02:39:58,714
they would go try to
fix the thing they regretted.

2833
02:39:58,923 --> 02:40:01,425
Some enchanted evening.

2834
02:40:02,009 --> 02:40:03,134
Brian dennehy

2835
02:40:03,135 --> 02:40:08,223
peels back his body suit and reveals
these sort of really magical aliens,

2836
02:40:08,224 --> 02:40:10,810
these sort of glowing beams
that float through the skies.

2837
02:40:14,396 --> 02:40:17,066
These older folks were
offered the opportunity

2838
02:40:17,566 --> 02:40:20,236
to leave earth with these
aliens and live forever.

2839
02:40:20,277 --> 02:40:22,238
Forever?

2840
02:40:22,279 --> 02:40:24,281
We don't know
what forever means.

2841
02:40:24,907 --> 02:40:25,574
The question

2842
02:40:25,616 --> 02:40:29,411
in cocoon becomes,
is this cheating human mortality?

2843
02:40:29,453 --> 02:40:31,580
Is our clock supposed to run out?

2844
02:40:31,622 --> 02:40:33,457
It's a deeply, deeply moving film.

2845
02:40:35,292 --> 02:40:37,461
Can you help me?

2846
02:40:37,545 --> 02:40:39,254
I adored cocoon.

2847
02:40:39,255 --> 02:40:44,718
Ron Howard is able to get to
the heart of the man's struggle

2848
02:40:44,760 --> 02:40:48,347
or the woman's struggle
and be able to overcome it.

2849
02:40:49,974 --> 02:40:53,227
One of the things I love about Ron Howard
is that he is a true storyteller.

2850
02:40:53,686 --> 02:40:57,731
If it's a comedy or a drama
or it's in the future,

2851
02:40:57,898 --> 02:41:01,277
or if it's in the past, or if it's
right here in this very moment.

2852
02:41:01,318 --> 02:41:04,780
The way nature's been treating us,
I don't mind cheating her a little.

2853
02:41:07,116 --> 02:41:11,162
I feel like Ron Howard cares
about how the audience feels

2854
02:41:11,579 --> 02:41:13,581
at the end of the movie.

2855
02:41:23,966 --> 02:41:26,177
We all went to see madmax
beyond thunderdome.

2856
02:41:26,218 --> 02:41:27,343
Huge movie.

2857
02:41:27,344 --> 02:41:32,056
Tina Turner, biggest pop star in the world
at the time, had a hit song on the radio,

2858
02:41:32,057 --> 02:41:34,351
we don't need another hero.

2859
02:41:38,564 --> 02:41:40,148
Thunderdome.

2860
02:41:40,149 --> 02:41:41,149
Sorry.

2861
02:41:41,192 --> 02:41:43,319
I remember the rolling stone cover, too,

2862
02:41:43,819 --> 02:41:47,823
with Mel Gibson and Tina Turner,
and you just went, oh man, this is big.

2863
02:41:49,366 --> 02:41:51,327
Madmax

2864
02:41:51,368 --> 02:41:53,370
beyond thunderdome

2865
02:41:53,913 --> 02:41:56,123
the post-apocalyptic subgenre.

2866
02:41:56,290 --> 02:41:59,835
It just allowed the filmmakers
imagination to run wild.

2867
02:42:05,257 --> 02:42:07,927
You can feel the ruin of the past

2868
02:42:08,052 --> 02:42:10,763
as they were just trying
to hold on to civilization again.

2869
02:42:11,055 --> 02:42:12,681
And that's what makes it powerful.

2870
02:42:12,723 --> 02:42:14,892
How do we keep living?

2871
02:42:15,184 --> 02:42:18,479
And how does civilization grow again?

2872
02:42:18,938 --> 02:42:20,897
With the road warrior, you're focused

2873
02:42:20,898 --> 02:42:25,236
on gas and misery
and just living day to day.

2874
02:42:25,444 --> 02:42:29,864
The idea develops into
trying to create a new resource

2875
02:42:29,865 --> 02:42:33,284
using methane, to move
toward a new future

2876
02:42:33,285 --> 02:42:35,996
that can be sustainable.

2877
02:42:36,038 --> 02:42:38,039
I don't know anything about methane.

2878
02:42:38,040 --> 02:42:39,333
You can shovel shit, can't you?

2879
02:42:39,375 --> 02:42:41,669
Tina Turner was just so big on screen,

2880
02:42:42,044 --> 02:42:46,048
being a woman of color and just sort of
running that whole situation.

2881
02:42:47,174 --> 02:42:49,926
The master blaster,
you know, their competition

2882
02:42:49,927 --> 02:42:51,552
between each other.

2883
02:42:51,553 --> 02:42:53,555
Who run bartertown?

2884
02:42:53,597 --> 02:42:55,599
Master blaster runs bartertown.

2885
02:42:58,602 --> 02:43:00,186
She tries to force Max

2886
02:43:00,187 --> 02:43:04,316
to do her bidding by killing the blaster
of the master blaster team.

2887
02:43:04,358 --> 02:43:06,318
This is thunderdome.

2888
02:43:06,360 --> 02:43:08,362
Death is listening,

2889
02:43:08,404 --> 02:43:11,490
and will take the
first man that screams.

2890
02:43:11,824 --> 02:43:16,495
We have this big, extravagant,
perfectly insane fight on bungee

2891
02:43:16,578 --> 02:43:20,416
cords inside this thunderdome.

2892
02:43:20,958 --> 02:43:23,877
They had that really menacing
character that he's got to fight.

2893
02:43:23,919 --> 02:43:27,381
And it's this big dude, you think he's
just going to mop the floor with him.

2894
02:43:29,466 --> 02:43:32,176
But then the other thing that was sort of
shocking was when they took

2895
02:43:32,177 --> 02:43:35,389
the helmet off, you've just
sort of felt for the character.

2896
02:43:40,394 --> 02:43:43,938
You saw that he was this
person who was an adult

2897
02:43:43,939 --> 02:43:47,568
that was a child, instantly,
that scene changed for everybody.

2898
02:43:47,776 --> 02:43:50,862
I think that was a magic moment.

2899
02:43:50,863 --> 02:43:54,866
There are two movies in mad Max beyond
thunderdome. There's the first movie, which

2900
02:43:54,867 --> 02:43:59,455
has our hero wandering into part of town
after his rig is stolen from him.

2901
02:43:59,788 --> 02:44:02,875
Then there's this other movie
after he gets kicked out.

2902
02:44:04,877 --> 02:44:07,628
He stumbles across these
sort of like lost children

2903
02:44:07,629 --> 02:44:11,215
in the middle of the desert,
who are apparently the leftover refugees

2904
02:44:11,216 --> 02:44:14,511
from an airliner crash from years
and years and years ago.

2905
02:44:15,220 --> 02:44:18,181
That was too disjointed with the
fact it was two stories,

2906
02:44:18,182 --> 02:44:21,768
whereas with road warrior
and even with mad Max the original,

2907
02:44:21,769 --> 02:44:25,481
there was a direct correlation
from a to z.

2908
02:44:25,814 --> 02:44:26,814
There's...

2909
02:44:27,316 --> 02:44:30,027
A unique challenge in doing sequels.

2910
02:44:30,069 --> 02:44:34,198
There's an audience you're beholden to
and you want to honor that.

2911
02:44:34,531 --> 02:44:38,826
And yet we all feel compelled
to express ourselves uniquely.

2912
02:44:38,827 --> 02:44:40,828
Civilization.

2913
02:44:40,829 --> 02:44:42,831
I'll do anything to protect it.

2914
02:44:43,499 --> 02:44:47,711
We continue this theme
of resource scarcity.

2915
02:44:47,753 --> 02:44:50,714
Don't you understand? This is water.
You can't live without it.

2916
02:44:51,006 --> 02:44:52,548
Madmax beyond thunderdome

2917
02:44:52,549 --> 02:44:56,720
really focuses the futuristic
forecasts and the warning

2918
02:44:56,970 --> 02:44:59,848
that if we don't change,
if we don't alter the way we think

2919
02:44:59,890 --> 02:45:04,477
about how we share resources,
that we'll end up fighting

2920
02:45:04,478 --> 02:45:09,316
over these resources in the future
on a planet that could be a desert.

2921
02:45:09,358 --> 02:45:12,820
This is astickup! Anybody moves,
and they're dead meat!

2922
02:45:20,828 --> 02:45:24,331
Everybody was terrified that
explorers was going to

2923
02:45:24,540 --> 02:45:29,420
was going to be such a big hit that nobody
would think about back to the future.

2924
02:45:32,131 --> 02:45:36,135
The adventure begins
in your own backyard.

2925
02:45:37,136 --> 02:45:40,471
It was supposed to be a Wolfgang petersen
movie for Paramount, and they decided

2926
02:45:40,472 --> 02:45:42,974
they didn't want to make it in Bavaria,
which is what he wanted to do,

2927
02:45:42,975 --> 02:45:47,104
and so they sort of kicked Wolfgang
off the picture and sent me the script.

2928
02:45:49,106 --> 02:45:52,108
I thought it was a terrific script
and really fascinating, particularly

2929
02:45:52,109 --> 02:45:54,570
I just come off of gremlins
and it was very grueling and

2930
02:45:55,195 --> 02:45:58,197
time consuming and difficult,
and here was a movie about three kids

2931
02:45:58,198 --> 02:46:01,033
who built a spaceship and I thought,
this is just like huey, Dewey, and Louie.

2932
02:46:01,034 --> 02:46:01,910
This is like,

2933
02:46:01,952 --> 02:46:06,123
you know, this would be so much fun to do
after this arduous special effects movie.

2934
02:46:06,498 --> 02:46:08,458
Well, not realizing, of course,
that it was...

2935
02:46:08,459 --> 02:46:12,003
Not only was this an arduous
special effects movie, but had children

2936
02:46:12,004 --> 02:46:14,465
in it which can only work
certain hours of the day

2937
02:46:15,007 --> 02:46:16,800
and which also didn't have a third act.

2938
02:46:21,096 --> 02:46:23,098
It's pretty neat, huh?

2939
02:46:23,140 --> 02:46:26,058
Nonetheless, I made the movie,
but then in the middle of making it,

2940
02:46:26,059 --> 02:46:27,477
the studio changed hands

2941
02:46:27,478 --> 02:46:30,480
and the new people decided they w
anted to put it out on unfinished.

2942
02:46:30,481 --> 02:46:32,899
So they said, “stop working on it.
We're gonna put it out because it's last

2943
02:46:32,900 --> 02:46:35,902
year's movie from the old regime and
we don't care if it makes money.

2944
02:46:35,903 --> 02:46:37,070
Anyway, good bye."

2945
02:46:38,363 --> 02:46:40,490
I firmly believe there was a hell of a lot

2946
02:46:40,491 --> 02:46:44,327
better moving in there
than we were allowed to get out.

2947
02:46:44,328 --> 02:46:46,662
In the end, it didn't matter.
We could have released a blank film

2948
02:46:46,663 --> 02:46:48,332
and nobody would have noticed.

2949
02:46:51,168 --> 02:46:54,171
I've always had a knack of
finding kids that I could relate to

2950
02:46:54,463 --> 02:46:56,298
on a personal level.

2951
02:46:57,841 --> 02:47:00,361
If you cast your movie right,
you don't have to do a lot of directing.

2952
02:47:00,385 --> 02:47:01,594
And if you cast your movie wrong,

2953
02:47:01,595 --> 02:47:03,755
you have to do a lot of directing
and a lot of editing.

2954
02:47:04,097 --> 02:47:06,433
But in this case, these kids
were perfect for the part.

2955
02:47:06,475 --> 02:47:07,850
Incredibly talented.

2956
02:47:07,851 --> 02:47:11,396
And this was Ethan's first movie,
he'd never been on the sound stage before.

2957
02:47:16,235 --> 02:47:18,237
I can't stop thinking
about what's up there.

2958
02:47:18,445 --> 02:47:18,987
He picked it up

2959
02:47:18,988 --> 02:47:21,072
so quickly that some of the
camera people said,

2960
02:47:21,073 --> 02:47:22,865
“are you sure this
kid isn't a professional?"

2961
02:47:22,866 --> 02:47:24,243
And now he is.

2962
02:47:24,284 --> 02:47:26,285
Oh my god.

2963
02:47:26,286 --> 02:47:27,704
There she is.

2964
02:47:27,746 --> 02:47:30,331
In the original script,
the kids go to another planet

2965
02:47:30,332 --> 02:47:33,544
and they find kids just like themselves
and they play baseball and they go home.

2966
02:47:34,253 --> 02:47:36,880
And I didn't think that was
enough for a feature film.

2967
02:47:37,381 --> 02:47:41,969
And so we reworked it so that the
aliens are indeed like our kids.

2968
02:47:42,052 --> 02:47:45,721
But they're even more like earth kids
because they're a product

2969
02:47:45,722 --> 02:47:47,933
of listening to earth broadcasts.

2970
02:47:47,975 --> 02:47:49,935
They get TV up here?

2971
02:47:49,977 --> 02:47:52,187
Just waves in space.

2972
02:47:52,312 --> 02:47:55,314
So they speak in catchphrases,
trying to communicate with the earth kids

2973
02:47:55,315 --> 02:47:58,359
by using phrases that
they've heard on commercials,

2974
02:47:58,360 --> 02:47:59,361
on television.

2975
02:47:59,403 --> 02:48:01,697
- Me Ben.
- Me Tarzan.

2976
02:48:04,866 --> 02:48:05,701
This, it turned out,

2977
02:48:05,702 --> 02:48:07,953
was not an especially popular conceit.

2978
02:48:07,995 --> 02:48:09,955
We come in peace.

2979
02:48:10,956 --> 02:48:12,123
When Ethan hawke

2980
02:48:12,124 --> 02:48:16,043
says that he's waited all his life
to speak to aliens and the aliens says,

2981
02:48:16,044 --> 02:48:18,046
Ehhhhhh, what's up doc?

2982
02:48:18,463 --> 02:48:19,839
He gets very confused.

2983
02:48:19,840 --> 02:48:24,594
The audience also got a little confused,
and because he became disappointed

2984
02:48:24,595 --> 02:48:27,680
in what had been promised
as a great big space adventure

2985
02:48:27,681 --> 02:48:29,390
that would give him
the secret of the universe.

2986
02:48:29,391 --> 02:48:33,353
I think they all felt the same way.

2987
02:48:33,395 --> 02:48:35,396
But it don't make any sense.

2988
02:48:35,397 --> 02:48:36,897
That's the way they
think that we talk.

2989
02:48:36,898 --> 02:48:38,399
It didn't help the fact
that it opened on the day

2990
02:48:38,400 --> 02:48:40,600
of the live aid concert where
nobody went to the movies.

2991
02:48:40,902 --> 02:48:44,280
However, the miracle of home video
kind of resurrected it, and even though

2992
02:48:44,281 --> 02:48:46,783
it's only a shadow of the movie
I was intending to make,

2993
02:48:46,867 --> 02:48:49,786
it still has retained its
popularity over the years.

2994
02:48:51,788 --> 02:48:53,790
That was great!

2995
02:48:59,671 --> 02:49:00,838
What would you do

2996
02:49:00,839 --> 02:49:03,425
if you had everything you wanted?

2997
02:49:03,467 --> 02:49:05,176
Universal pictures presents

2998
02:49:05,177 --> 02:49:06,886
a John Hughes film

2999
02:49:06,887 --> 02:49:08,220
weird science

3000
02:49:08,221 --> 02:49:09,389
it's purely sexual

3001
02:49:09,431 --> 02:49:12,391
weird science really resonated with
me because I was an awkward kid

3002
02:49:12,392 --> 02:49:15,729
who loved technology and just to think of,

3003
02:49:16,146 --> 02:49:19,191
I could suddenly become cool.

3004
02:49:19,483 --> 02:49:21,193
It was the teenage Frankenstein.

3005
02:49:25,072 --> 02:49:27,741
So they created this beautiful woman.

3006
02:49:34,831 --> 02:49:35,956
I think that was probably

3007
02:49:35,957 --> 02:49:38,585
every geek's dream.

3008
02:49:38,627 --> 02:49:41,505
What would you little maniacs
likd to do first?

3009
02:49:41,546 --> 02:49:43,798
I think what he was best at,

3010
02:49:43,799 --> 02:49:48,595
John Hughes, is teenage angst and being
left out. His compassion for that.

3011
02:49:48,804 --> 02:49:51,223
It really resonated,
I think, to a lot of people.

3012
02:49:54,059 --> 02:49:56,561
Yo! Check this out!

3013
02:49:56,812 --> 02:49:58,104
Teenage life,

3014
02:49:58,105 --> 02:50:01,525
thank god I'm not there
anymore. Oh, god.

3015
02:50:01,566 --> 02:50:04,027
You made me.

3016
02:50:04,069 --> 02:50:06,071
You control me.

3017
02:50:06,655 --> 02:50:07,738
Kelly lebrock.

3018
02:50:07,739 --> 02:50:11,368
She had a sense of humor and a sexuality

3019
02:50:11,785 --> 02:50:14,788
and a confidence and a personality.

3020
02:50:14,830 --> 02:50:16,790
I can be a real serious bitch.

3021
02:50:17,207 --> 02:50:19,960
It was elevated,
her portrayal of the character.

3022
02:50:20,168 --> 02:50:23,088
And it made everything come together

3023
02:50:23,588 --> 02:50:25,882
the way it was supposed to.

3024
02:50:25,924 --> 02:50:27,884
You guys have better loosen up.

3025
02:50:32,055 --> 02:50:32,973
One of the themes is

3026
02:50:32,974 --> 02:50:35,892
be careful what you wish for.

3027
02:50:39,688 --> 02:50:43,191
Using all of our technology
to do something wrong

3028
02:50:43,233 --> 02:50:46,652
and then not being able to control it,
then having the consequences,

3029
02:50:46,653 --> 02:50:47,821
which is me.

3030
02:50:47,863 --> 02:50:50,657
Tossed off into any good
books lately, have we?

3031
02:50:51,575 --> 02:50:54,295
Warner brothers were going to sue
their ass off if I looked like wez.

3032
02:50:55,078 --> 02:50:56,871
And yet they got me to look as close

3033
02:50:56,872 --> 02:50:59,082
like wez as is humanly possible.

3034
02:51:03,587 --> 02:51:07,215
I walked around that set
when I came onto it at universal,

3035
02:51:07,466 --> 02:51:10,009
like a two story house
that could be pulled

3036
02:51:10,010 --> 02:51:13,180
into two halves to film
in a real two story house.

3037
02:51:13,764 --> 02:51:17,057
And when they needed to have
a rocket to go through it,

3038
02:51:17,058 --> 02:51:20,228
they actually had a rocket.

3039
02:51:22,355 --> 02:51:24,816
This actual shell of a rocket

3040
02:51:25,108 --> 02:51:28,612
was built under stage 26 at universal

3041
02:51:28,695 --> 02:51:31,697
to come up hydraulically and Pierce

3042
02:51:31,698 --> 02:51:35,118
the actual floor of the set of the house.

3043
02:51:35,786 --> 02:51:37,870
And it was a one time shot.

3044
02:51:37,871 --> 02:51:42,083
What a big deal this scene,
right when John calls action

3045
02:51:42,459 --> 02:51:46,046
Anthony Michael hall farts
a silent but deadly.

3046
02:51:47,547 --> 02:51:49,340
It had to be a several hundred thousand

3047
02:51:49,341 --> 02:51:53,136
dollar moment that got ruined by a fart.

3048
02:51:53,804 --> 02:51:54,888
That's not cool, man.

3049
02:51:56,515 --> 02:52:00,810
If you watch the movie real closely,
we did this scene again

3050
02:52:00,811 --> 02:52:06,565
and they lowered the rocket and
we had to do all of our action backwards

3051
02:52:06,566 --> 02:52:10,153
and then they ran
it backwards for the final cut.

3052
02:52:17,619 --> 02:52:19,578
It was massive anarchy

3053
02:52:19,579 --> 02:52:23,959
at the end of that movie, that movie truly
is almost like the cat in the hat.

3054
02:52:24,084 --> 02:52:27,629
She is the the cat in the hat.

3055
02:52:30,465 --> 02:52:34,427
Oh, my god, weird science forever to me
is now going to be Dr. Seuss.

3056
02:52:34,469 --> 02:52:36,971
When are you gonna learn
people like you for what you are,

3057
02:52:36,972 --> 02:52:38,974
not for what you can give them.

3058
02:52:39,724 --> 02:52:42,143
The ultimate theme of weird science was

3059
02:52:42,269 --> 02:52:44,855
be yourself and you'll still get the girl.

3060
02:52:44,896 --> 02:52:46,857
I love you!

3061
02:52:47,858 --> 02:52:49,483
It may not be that girl,

3062
02:52:49,484 --> 02:52:51,486
but you'll still get the girl.

3063
02:52:51,528 --> 02:52:54,114
Drop and give me 20.

3064
02:53:04,708 --> 02:53:07,335
I was really excited by the space
shuttle program as a kid

3065
02:53:07,377 --> 02:53:09,671
because it was putting
people back in space.

3066
02:53:09,713 --> 02:53:11,423
The first space shuttle.

3067
02:53:11,464 --> 02:53:13,842
That had it happened
in my lifetime to that point.

3068
02:53:15,677 --> 02:53:20,056
The space shuttle was amazing
because of what promise it held,

3069
02:53:20,348 --> 02:53:23,643
which was we were going to be able to do
this much more often, much more cheaply.

3070
02:53:25,186 --> 02:53:28,481
The fact that they named
the very first space shuttle enterprise

3071
02:53:28,940 --> 02:53:32,276
was really cool and made me feel seen
because I was a Star Trek

3072
02:53:32,277 --> 02:53:36,113
nerd and I was like, wow, they named
real science after a TV show that I like.

3073
02:53:36,114 --> 02:53:38,365
That's really cool.

3074
02:53:38,366 --> 02:53:41,077
The vehicle came around
the corner of the building,

3075
02:53:41,620 --> 02:53:44,331
and in tow was the shuttle craft,

3076
02:53:45,498 --> 02:53:47,626
and across the nose of the shuttle craft

3077
02:53:49,294 --> 02:53:52,713
were the words the enterprise.

3078
02:53:52,714 --> 02:53:53,632
Knocked me out.

3079
02:53:53,633 --> 02:53:59,012
My perspective just totally changed,
and I said, "we are genuinely

3080
02:53:59,137 --> 02:54:02,599
in some small way, a part of history."

3081
02:54:03,725 --> 02:54:07,479
Suddenly, the highest form of
technology in the space program

3082
02:54:07,687 --> 02:54:11,191
became something extremely
familiar to everyday people.

3083
02:54:11,524 --> 02:54:12,983
We're not just in the audience anymore.

3084
02:54:12,984 --> 02:54:16,613
Now we can become a part of the adventure
when it's a space shuttle.

3085
02:54:16,905 --> 02:54:21,034
You start to see these films
like life force and hangar 18,

3086
02:54:21,076 --> 02:54:25,413
and airplane ii, spacecamp, that have at
the center of them, the space shuttle.

3087
02:54:25,830 --> 02:54:27,832
Go for main engine test.

3088
02:54:30,752 --> 02:54:34,839
It was this great bridge
between our reality

3089
02:54:35,131 --> 02:54:37,842
and the fantastic imagined world

3090
02:54:37,884 --> 02:54:41,346
of the future.

3091
02:54:44,516 --> 02:54:48,185
It was almost to the point where soon
we're going to be able to get a ticket,

3092
02:54:48,186 --> 02:54:51,147
you know, and take a
flight around the earth.

3093
02:54:53,400 --> 02:54:55,443
I was pretty close with Steven Spielberg,

3094
02:54:55,485 --> 02:54:56,319
and we would both

3095
02:54:56,320 --> 02:54:59,321
talk about wanting to go and wanting to go,
because they were talking about

3096
02:54:59,322 --> 02:55:02,659
taking an artist, taking
a filmmaker, taking a poet.

3097
02:55:02,701 --> 02:55:06,663
I'd like to go out and be behind
the camera, photographing up there.

3098
02:55:08,999 --> 02:55:10,374
Everyone just assumed

3099
02:55:10,375 --> 02:55:14,379
that space travel was so safe, you know?

3100
02:55:14,421 --> 02:55:16,381
Three, two, one... and liftoff!

3101
02:55:18,967 --> 02:55:21,177
I was shooting a TV movie.

3102
02:55:21,594 --> 02:55:24,263
We all gathered around a television screen

3103
02:55:24,264 --> 02:55:27,558
to watch this spectacular event
because we also knew

3104
02:55:27,559 --> 02:55:30,645
that there were civilians aboard,
so it made it extra special.

3105
02:55:32,063 --> 02:55:36,651
I was in New York, editing a video
production, we were interrupted.

3106
02:55:36,693 --> 02:55:38,069
Someone came in and said

3107
02:55:40,447 --> 02:55:44,034
"the challenger has just exploded."

3108
02:55:44,075 --> 02:55:46,635
- Challenger, go at throttle up.
- Challenger, go at throttle up.

3109
02:55:50,749 --> 02:55:53,626
And it just like stuck
a knife in my heart.

3110
02:55:53,668 --> 02:55:55,669
2,900 feet per second,
altitude nine nautical miles,

3111
02:55:55,670 --> 02:55:57,672
downrange distance
seven nautical miles.

3112
02:55:59,632 --> 02:56:02,468
We were all standing there
just in shell shock.

3113
02:56:02,469 --> 02:56:05,305
It was something...
It was unthinkable.

3114
02:56:06,097 --> 02:56:08,141
Absolutely devastating
in every possible way.

3115
02:56:08,224 --> 02:56:11,019
The first teacher in the teachers
and space program

3116
02:56:11,144 --> 02:56:14,104
was killed, and one of the first
African-American astronauts

3117
02:56:14,105 --> 02:56:16,357
was killed on the challenger explosion.

3118
02:56:17,734 --> 02:56:22,237
That shot of christa mcauliffe's parents
on the beach looking up at that twisted

3119
02:56:22,238 --> 02:56:25,575
contrail, knowing something's wrong
and not knowing quite what it was.

3120
02:56:27,202 --> 02:56:29,411
That image is seared into the minds

3121
02:56:29,412 --> 02:56:32,706
of a lot of people who saw that.

3122
02:56:32,707 --> 02:56:35,293
Today is a day for mourning
and remembering.

3123
02:56:35,543 --> 02:56:38,588
They had a hunger to explore
the universe and discover its truths.

3124
02:56:39,005 --> 02:56:40,631
They served all of us.

3125
02:56:40,632 --> 02:56:44,052
They, the members of the
challenger crew, were pioneers.

3126
02:56:45,762 --> 02:56:47,221
I think it was our first taste

3127
02:56:47,222 --> 02:56:50,767
of the genuine danger of it.

3128
02:56:53,394 --> 02:56:56,313
I just remember being so afraid

3129
02:56:56,314 --> 02:56:59,901
that this was going to be
the end of human space flight.

3130
02:57:00,360 --> 02:57:02,612
They wouldn't have sent a
teacher up, for god's sakes,

3131
02:57:03,029 --> 02:57:06,323
you know, if they knew that there was some

3132
02:57:06,324 --> 02:57:10,286
any chance at all of it being tragic.

3133
02:57:10,328 --> 02:57:11,328
Karen Allen

3134
02:57:11,329 --> 02:57:12,330
Barry bostwick

3135
02:57:12,372 --> 02:57:14,039
you're a wonderful crew.
Fine, that's great!

3136
02:57:14,040 --> 02:57:15,041
Challenger

3137
02:57:15,083 --> 02:57:17,042
we just wanted to honor the memories

3138
02:57:17,043 --> 02:57:21,131
and the talent and the heroism
of those original astronauts.

3139
02:57:21,506 --> 02:57:23,799
It was not only

3140
02:57:23,800 --> 02:57:26,886
the people who were lost, who were killed,

3141
02:57:27,595 --> 02:57:30,515
but it was the program
itself had been damaged.

3142
02:57:31,683 --> 02:57:35,436
The human race's fonnard movement toward

3143
02:57:35,979 --> 02:57:38,480
a future in space

3144
02:57:38,481 --> 02:57:41,526
beyond this planet,
something I had cheered for

3145
02:57:41,943 --> 02:57:45,572
since the time I was a kid.

3146
02:57:45,613 --> 02:57:48,157
The dedication of Star Trek iv

3147
02:57:48,158 --> 02:57:52,662
to the crew of the challenger
was a way of acknowledging

3148
02:57:53,413 --> 02:57:57,083
that there is a question
and a price to be paid

3149
02:57:58,418 --> 02:58:00,878
for going boldly

3150
02:58:00,879 --> 02:58:04,632
where people haven't gone before.

3151
02:58:10,847 --> 02:58:13,807
When the lights dimmed in the theater
and the dedication came on,

3152
02:58:13,808 --> 02:58:17,854
you could hear a pin drop for a
moment and then applause.

3153
02:58:18,980 --> 02:58:21,940
Science fiction fans,
they're much more focused

3154
02:58:21,941 --> 02:58:25,778
on the possibilities than the dangers

3155
02:58:26,321 --> 02:58:29,657
that every mission is life and death.

3156
02:58:30,783 --> 02:58:32,826
And the challenger disaster

3157
02:58:32,827 --> 02:58:36,831
was as if someone dear to me
in my life had died.

3158
02:58:36,998 --> 02:58:39,250
I said, "we've got to come back from this.

3159
02:58:40,293 --> 02:58:42,669
It will not be easy,

3160
02:58:42,670 --> 02:58:46,132
but we've got to come back
and we've got to keep going fonnard."

3161
02:58:47,133 --> 02:58:49,594
And thank goodness, that's what we did.

3162
02:59:05,026 --> 02:59:05,902
John badham

3163
02:59:05,903 --> 02:59:09,113
is among the last
of the utilitarian directors.

3164
02:59:09,489 --> 02:59:13,158
He could just direct anything: Action,
comedy, like comedy, romance, you name it

3165
02:59:13,159 --> 02:59:15,411
John badham could do it.
Short circuit,

3166
02:59:15,745 --> 02:59:17,580
it proved this as much as anything else.

3167
02:59:17,622 --> 02:59:19,414
Short circuit

3168
02:59:19,415 --> 02:59:20,833
I am a light.

3169
02:59:21,042 --> 02:59:21,876
Short circuit. I. Am. Alive.

3170
02:59:21,877 --> 02:59:24,545
Only instead of it being
an alien, it's a robot.

3171
02:59:24,587 --> 02:59:26,547
Welcome to my planet!

3172
02:59:27,298 --> 02:59:28,840
And you got Steve guttenberg

3173
02:59:28,841 --> 02:59:32,845
and ally sheedy, and the guy who
was supposed to be an Indian-American

3174
02:59:33,137 --> 02:59:36,099
but is actually being
played by Fisher Stevens.

3175
02:59:36,140 --> 02:59:38,518
It's only being wires and
several mechanisms and other

3176
02:59:38,559 --> 02:59:41,062
such machine-type apparatus,
for the Pete of sake.

3177
02:59:41,521 --> 02:59:45,483
Today, I'm not sure you could
get away with that.

3178
02:59:45,525 --> 02:59:47,485
Where are you from, anyway?

3179
02:59:47,527 --> 02:59:49,529
Bakersfield originally.

3180
02:59:49,570 --> 02:59:51,340
- No, I mean your ancestors.
- Oh, them. Pittsburgh.

3181
02:59:51,364 --> 02:59:53,615
Ally sheedy, as a young girl,

3182
02:59:53,616 --> 02:59:56,119
I looked up to, I loved and adored.

3183
02:59:56,160 --> 02:59:58,161
Malfunction

3184
02:59:58,162 --> 02:59:59,247
oh, you can talk!

3185
02:59:59,289 --> 03:00:02,583
Short circuit is a caretaker
friendship bond.

3186
03:00:02,667 --> 03:00:08,005
This concept of this robot
finding his humanity.

3187
03:00:08,006 --> 03:00:10,382
I need information.
I must learn everything.

3188
03:00:10,383 --> 03:00:12,218
I am alive.

3189
03:00:12,260 --> 03:00:14,262
Holy crow you can read!

3190
03:00:15,722 --> 03:00:17,931
And he has this quirky,

3191
03:00:17,932 --> 03:00:22,686
outgoing, weird personality, much like me,
that was based on all of the movies

3192
03:00:22,687 --> 03:00:25,315
and pop culture that he had picked up.

3193
03:00:25,356 --> 03:00:27,858
Disguise! Camouflage!

3194
03:00:27,859 --> 03:00:29,861
- Hi!
- Number 5!

3195
03:00:29,944 --> 03:00:31,194
There's a sense of joy

3196
03:00:31,195 --> 03:00:34,991
to that movie and a sense of life
and a sense of adventure.

3197
03:00:35,616 --> 03:00:39,495
He's built as a military weapon of war
that can destroy things with like

3198
03:00:39,620 --> 03:00:40,913
a single laser bolt.

3199
03:00:42,332 --> 03:00:45,335
Hello bozos!

3200
03:00:46,711 --> 03:00:47,813
But as a kid, you don't see that.

3201
03:00:47,837 --> 03:00:50,173
You don't think about that,
you're just like, he's alive.

3202
03:00:52,800 --> 03:00:53,967
Johnny 5.

3203
03:00:53,968 --> 03:00:57,971
He's just like, "no, I'm going to
smell flowers and hang out

3204
03:00:57,972 --> 03:01:02,268
and dance or make friends or whatever",
which was really neat premise.

3205
03:01:02,518 --> 03:01:05,687
One of my favorite moments in that movie
is when he accidentally steps

3206
03:01:05,688 --> 03:01:06,814
on a grasshopper.

3207
03:01:06,856 --> 03:01:07,690
Look what you did!

3208
03:01:07,691 --> 03:01:08,691
Error.

3209
03:01:08,733 --> 03:01:10,902
And he has this moment where he realizes

3210
03:01:11,444 --> 03:01:13,154
that he's mortal.

3211
03:01:13,196 --> 03:01:15,197
Disassemble.

3212
03:01:15,198 --> 03:01:17,200
Dead.

3213
03:01:17,241 --> 03:01:19,242
Disassemble!

3214
03:01:19,243 --> 03:01:20,203
Dead!

3215
03:01:20,244 --> 03:01:23,831
Being aware of your own mortality
is one of the deepest, most profoundly

3216
03:01:23,873 --> 03:01:27,919
human things, and that drives us
and that makes us what we are.

3217
03:01:27,960 --> 03:01:31,422
Of course I know it's wrong to kill,
but who told you?

3218
03:01:31,756 --> 03:01:34,759
I told me.

3219
03:01:34,842 --> 03:01:36,927
What short circuit does
really, really well

3220
03:01:36,928 --> 03:01:39,013
it makes you feel for this metal.

3221
03:01:39,472 --> 03:01:40,098
It's got some,

3222
03:01:40,098 --> 03:01:40,348
you know,

3223
03:01:40,349 --> 03:01:43,600
wonky little eyebrows or whatever,
and he's cute in his own sort of way,

3224
03:01:43,601 --> 03:01:45,102
but his metal, right?

3225
03:01:45,103 --> 03:01:48,564
And yet by the end of that movie,
you're like, "no, Johnny 5 is alive.

3226
03:01:48,981 --> 03:01:50,233
You can't disassemble him."

3227
03:01:50,274 --> 03:01:52,275
Don't shoot!

3228
03:01:52,276 --> 03:01:54,278
Don't shoot! He's alive!

3229
03:01:54,320 --> 03:01:55,154
He's alive!

3230
03:01:55,196 --> 03:01:58,032
You feel for it, and it's hard
to know sometimes

3231
03:01:58,366 --> 03:02:00,575
whether that's just
another part of the way

3232
03:02:00,576 --> 03:02:04,121
that humans are hardwired
to sort of anthropomorphize things

3233
03:02:04,122 --> 03:02:06,392
or whether that's a thing
that we're going to have to really sort of

3234
03:02:06,416 --> 03:02:09,001
worry about in the future.

3235
03:02:09,043 --> 03:02:11,044
Maybe Johnny.

3236
03:02:11,045 --> 03:02:14,048
Yeah! Johnny 5. It's cool.

3237
03:02:18,886 --> 03:02:20,512
Alien is one of the
most frightening movies

3238
03:02:20,513 --> 03:02:22,014
I've ever seen.

3239
03:02:25,810 --> 03:02:27,895
Alien is about survival,

3240
03:02:27,937 --> 03:02:31,190
aliens is about something bigger.

3241
03:02:31,691 --> 03:02:33,693
Aliens

3242
03:02:33,734 --> 03:02:35,736
this time it's war.

3243
03:02:36,821 --> 03:02:40,575
It's a war film in space.

3244
03:02:41,159 --> 03:02:42,910
Aliens, the draft,

3245
03:02:42,952 --> 03:02:45,997
the running name that Jim had,
was called grunts in space.

3246
03:02:46,998 --> 03:02:49,291
Cameron was writing Rambo ii

3247
03:02:49,292 --> 03:02:52,295
and aliens pretty much simultaneously.

3248
03:02:52,753 --> 03:02:56,632
And they kind of bled into one another
and aliens became a Vietnam film.

3249
03:02:56,966 --> 03:03:00,178
Subconsciously, it was sort of
about troops going under fire,

3250
03:03:00,595 --> 03:03:02,596
against an enemy they couldn't see.

3251
03:03:02,597 --> 03:03:03,347
Let's go! Let's go!

3252
03:03:03,389 --> 03:03:06,683
The other story was a story about
mothers and daughters. The queen

3253
03:03:06,684 --> 03:03:10,980
and her children fighting against
Ripley and her adopted child.

3254
03:03:13,316 --> 03:03:14,399
You instantly

3255
03:03:14,400 --> 03:03:18,236
feel for and need to rescue
this little girl who's seen her

3256
03:03:18,237 --> 03:03:22,074
parents killed and is still come up
with the wits to survive.

3257
03:03:23,534 --> 03:03:26,412
There's a very mythic and
primal thing going on here.

3258
03:03:26,662 --> 03:03:29,165
This is now mama bear versus mama bear.

3259
03:03:33,336 --> 03:03:35,838
Get away from her, you bitch!

3260
03:03:36,881 --> 03:03:38,465
At the time of filming, obviously,

3261
03:03:38,466 --> 03:03:42,469
I didn't really have any idea
of the magnitude

3262
03:03:42,470 --> 03:03:47,600
of the character Ripley, or the
character of vasquez or my character.

3263
03:03:47,892 --> 03:03:51,394
It was so important,
especially in the '80s, having

3264
03:03:51,395 --> 03:03:55,233
the female be the center of it,
the female with the flame thrower.

3265
03:03:56,859 --> 03:03:58,318
The females are the ones that are

3266
03:03:58,319 --> 03:04:00,029
taking charge.

3267
03:04:00,363 --> 03:04:02,532
Have you ever been
mistaken for a man?

3268
03:04:02,573 --> 03:04:04,283
No. Have you?

3269
03:04:04,325 --> 03:04:06,451
It began this movement,

3270
03:04:06,452 --> 03:04:09,705
a huge impact on the future

3271
03:04:09,747 --> 03:04:13,626
of action movies and sci fi movies.

3272
03:04:13,918 --> 03:04:15,126
We did operate

3273
03:04:15,127 --> 03:04:17,922
like as best as possible, a marine crew.

3274
03:04:18,589 --> 03:04:20,591
Al Matthews, sergeant apone.

3275
03:04:20,633 --> 03:04:23,134
All right sweethearts,
you heard the man

3276
03:04:23,135 --> 03:04:24,655
and you know the drill,
assholes and elbows...

3277
03:04:24,679 --> 03:04:27,431
He was, in fact, a former green beret,

3278
03:04:27,974 --> 03:04:31,394
so all of us Hollywood types,
you know, would demure

3279
03:04:31,978 --> 03:04:35,398
and avert him at all times.

3280
03:04:35,439 --> 03:04:37,440
What are you waiting for,
breakfast in bed?

3281
03:04:37,441 --> 03:04:37,692
Another glorious day in the corps.

3282
03:04:37,733 --> 03:04:40,902
The cohesiveness was really
formed in and around

3283
03:04:40,903 --> 03:04:43,864
training in the morning
and then also the rehearsal process.

3284
03:04:44,699 --> 03:04:48,119
And at that time, Hicks was
played by James remar.

3285
03:04:49,662 --> 03:04:51,580
Remar's involvement would have made it

3286
03:04:51,581 --> 03:04:53,791
even more intense.

3287
03:04:54,417 --> 03:04:57,587
Why he had to leave
had nothing to do with his acting.

3288
03:04:57,962 --> 03:05:01,007
However, it was quite shocking

3289
03:05:01,424 --> 03:05:04,176
to lose one of the leads of your film.

3290
03:05:05,344 --> 03:05:07,555
We all felt for Michael biehn.

3291
03:05:07,597 --> 03:05:09,140
Are you all right?

3292
03:05:09,181 --> 03:05:11,766
He literallyjumped into
remar's costume

3293
03:05:11,767 --> 03:05:14,020
and created his version of Hicks.

3294
03:05:14,437 --> 03:05:16,855
I'd like to keep this handy

3295
03:05:16,856 --> 03:05:18,274
for close encounters.

3296
03:05:18,316 --> 03:05:21,611
Bill Paxton was the glue of our set.

3297
03:05:21,652 --> 03:05:23,613
Check it out, I am
the ultimate badass!

3298
03:05:25,656 --> 03:05:27,032
And that's actually something

3299
03:05:27,033 --> 03:05:29,410
that sigourney Weaver
said at his memorial.

3300
03:05:29,452 --> 03:05:31,454
Yo! Stop your grinnin
and drop your linen.

3301
03:05:32,997 --> 03:05:36,167
To say we miss bill Paxton
is a true understatement.

3302
03:05:41,464 --> 03:05:43,674
Sometimes I'm still in awe,
like, oh my gosh,

3303
03:05:44,216 --> 03:05:46,969
I was in a James Cameron movie.

3304
03:05:47,011 --> 03:05:48,971
And they mostly come at night.

3305
03:05:49,013 --> 03:05:51,015
Mostly.

3306
03:05:51,098 --> 03:05:53,267
Sigourney just took care of me on set.

3307
03:05:55,269 --> 03:05:58,229
When we were in the eggs with the queen
alien in front of us and everything,

3308
03:05:58,230 --> 03:06:02,443
that was a very scary situation
with all the fire going on around us.

3309
03:06:03,486 --> 03:06:06,906
If you watch in the movie, she's going
like pushing me behind her.

3310
03:06:07,031 --> 03:06:10,033
That was a natural response.

3311
03:06:10,034 --> 03:06:12,911
I'm sure for everyone on set,
it was very difficult

3312
03:06:12,912 --> 03:06:14,997
and they probably were
a little bit concerned.

3313
03:06:16,666 --> 03:06:18,667
The last few years
that I've seen everyone,

3314
03:06:18,668 --> 03:06:20,669
they've actually asked,
did you have nightmares?

3315
03:06:20,670 --> 03:06:22,712
Did we like affect you psychologically?

3316
03:06:22,713 --> 03:06:24,214
And it didn't.

3317
03:06:24,215 --> 03:06:27,342
They would show me the process of building

3318
03:06:27,343 --> 03:06:30,388
something. They would show me
than how it was going to work.

3319
03:06:31,681 --> 03:06:33,223
Sometimes they'd throw something at me

3320
03:06:33,224 --> 03:06:36,852
to try to get my natural reaction
of a scare, different things like that.

3321
03:06:38,187 --> 03:06:40,271
At the time, I was definitely
afraid of dogs,

3322
03:06:40,272 --> 03:06:43,525
so I just pretended
like the aliens were dogs

3323
03:06:43,526 --> 03:06:45,778
coming after me.

3324
03:06:49,073 --> 03:06:53,035
This alien comes up and grabs me,
and it is terrifying,

3325
03:06:53,160 --> 03:06:57,330
however, for me, it was my friend
who was a stunt man in a suit

3326
03:06:57,331 --> 03:06:59,500
and then they put the head on,
and off we go.

3327
03:07:00,751 --> 03:07:05,004
To me, it was normal,
which is so abnormal,

3328
03:07:05,005 --> 03:07:07,633
really, if you look back at it.

3329
03:07:08,175 --> 03:07:12,513
Jim really took her under a wing and
made sure she was protected at all times,

3330
03:07:12,638 --> 03:07:17,268
and Paxton actually formed a really sort
of avuncular relationship with her.

3331
03:07:18,561 --> 03:07:22,690
When you got Lance, Paul Reiser and bill
Paxton together, there was trouble.

3332
03:07:22,732 --> 03:07:24,608
Keeping us all
light hearted, which is nice.

3333
03:07:24,650 --> 03:07:27,111
What do you want me to do,
fetch your slippers for ya?

3334
03:07:27,153 --> 03:07:29,029
Gee, would you, sir?
I'd like that.

3335
03:07:29,071 --> 03:07:31,114
I'm always amazed
when I go to a convention

3336
03:07:31,115 --> 03:07:34,702
how many military people come up to me
and say before they deployed,

3337
03:07:34,869 --> 03:07:37,787
they watched aliens because
it brought that feeling of unity

3338
03:07:37,788 --> 03:07:38,998
together.

3339
03:07:39,039 --> 03:07:41,000
You're just too bad.

3340
03:07:42,460 --> 03:07:44,169
I had an amazing experience.

3341
03:07:44,170 --> 03:07:46,589
It was definitely once
in a lifetime opportunity.

3342
03:07:47,923 --> 03:07:49,925
Run!

3343
03:07:51,302 --> 03:07:53,554
When you come out and
you're up here on top,

3344
03:07:53,763 --> 03:07:56,849
how much further can you go?

3345
03:07:57,266 --> 03:07:59,685
Not bad for a human.

3346
03:08:11,906 --> 03:08:14,115
Flight of the navigator
was wish fulfillment

3347
03:08:14,116 --> 03:08:16,327
for every 12 year old.

3348
03:08:20,664 --> 03:08:22,833
It's a story about time travel,

3349
03:08:23,042 --> 03:08:26,670
about alien contact and connection,

3350
03:08:26,879 --> 03:08:30,841
futuristic technology,
creatures from other planets

3351
03:08:31,050 --> 03:08:34,929
and then under it,
the journey of David Freeman

3352
03:08:35,095 --> 03:08:38,224
to find his way back home
to his true family.

3353
03:08:40,559 --> 03:08:43,937
Time has changed for everyone except him.

3354
03:08:43,938 --> 03:08:47,066
He's still 12 years old
and his family has gotten older.

3355
03:08:47,107 --> 03:08:49,068
It seems that we...

3356
03:08:49,109 --> 03:08:50,653
David.

3357
03:08:50,694 --> 03:08:53,197
It's the story of how he adjusts

3358
03:08:53,447 --> 03:08:55,574
and how he tries to undo that problem.

3359
03:08:55,616 --> 03:08:57,617
Been gone for eight years.

3360
03:08:57,618 --> 03:08:59,620
Gone where, outer space?

3361
03:09:01,413 --> 03:09:04,959
We videotaped hundreds of
kids to find Joey cramer.

3362
03:09:05,292 --> 03:09:08,504
And when I saw him, I just knew
that that was the kid.

3363
03:09:08,546 --> 03:09:10,381
Let it go, let it go.

3364
03:09:10,422 --> 03:09:12,006
A key element in why

3365
03:09:12,007 --> 03:09:15,468
I got the part in flight of the navigator
was because of that

3366
03:09:15,469 --> 03:09:18,888
emotional availability,
being able to connect

3367
03:09:18,889 --> 03:09:21,225
and cry realistically.

3368
03:09:21,267 --> 03:09:23,560
It's like a bad dream.

3369
03:09:23,561 --> 03:09:27,814
The key to the whole movie
and the reason I think it still resonates

3370
03:09:27,815 --> 03:09:31,235
is the human drama.

3371
03:09:31,277 --> 03:09:33,237
It's 1986, man.

3372
03:09:33,279 --> 03:09:34,780
Eight years since that night.

3373
03:09:34,822 --> 03:09:35,656
Randal kleiser

3374
03:09:35,657 --> 03:09:39,284
was an amazing director and was able
to really bring things out of me

3375
03:09:39,285 --> 03:09:41,495
so I could really immerse
myself in that world.

3376
03:09:43,998 --> 03:09:47,834
The script was children,
special effects and animals,

3377
03:09:47,835 --> 03:09:52,548
which are all no no's, but I found it
to be an exciting challenge.

3378
03:09:52,590 --> 03:09:54,883
Just take us 20 miles from here.

3379
03:09:54,884 --> 03:09:56,886
Compliant.

3380
03:09:58,012 --> 03:10:00,514
What are you doing?

3381
03:10:00,556 --> 03:10:01,639
Mark Damon

3382
03:10:01,640 --> 03:10:04,851
wanted to make an action movie
with the government

3383
03:10:04,852 --> 03:10:08,272
trying to shoot down the spaceship
and lots of explosions and stuff.

3384
03:10:08,606 --> 03:10:10,649
And Disney wanted to make a family drama.

3385
03:10:11,025 --> 03:10:14,528
So I was caught in the middle
trying to make them both happy,

3386
03:10:14,612 --> 03:10:17,156
and I think that made the movie
a little more interesting.

3387
03:10:17,698 --> 03:10:19,782
Can you follow it?

3388
03:10:19,783 --> 03:10:21,785
Follow it? I can't even see it.

3389
03:10:22,077 --> 03:10:23,995
I wanted to find a spaceship
that was different

3390
03:10:23,996 --> 03:10:26,624
from all the movies I'd seen.

3391
03:10:27,958 --> 03:10:29,960
Wow!

3392
03:10:30,002 --> 03:10:31,378
Cutting edge cgi,

3393
03:10:31,420 --> 03:10:34,465
there's a little bit of it
in there, and it holds up.

3394
03:10:40,137 --> 03:10:43,599
When I first walked
into that set of the interior

3395
03:10:43,641 --> 03:10:49,604
spaceship, that cool, reflective mylar,
I rememberjust being blown away by it.

3396
03:10:49,605 --> 03:10:52,316
It was so cool.

3397
03:10:52,358 --> 03:10:54,234
- I'm a trimaxion drone ship.
- Trimaxion?

3398
03:10:54,276 --> 03:10:56,779
- Affirmative.
- Okay, I'll call you Max, it's easier.

3399
03:10:57,279 --> 03:10:59,697
We wanted this character of Max

3400
03:10:59,698 --> 03:11:03,994
to have a personality,
and yet he was a robot.

3401
03:11:04,036 --> 03:11:05,996
I'm just a kid.

3402
03:11:06,038 --> 03:11:08,957
That is obvious. But your brain
has been programmed

3403
03:11:08,958 --> 03:11:11,460
with all appropriate star charts.

3404
03:11:11,794 --> 03:11:14,295
Before the mine transfer, Max

3405
03:11:14,296 --> 03:11:18,049
just sounds like an alien spaceship,
and he's like, sit down navigator.

3406
03:11:18,050 --> 03:11:21,261
Sit down, navigator.

3407
03:11:21,345 --> 03:11:23,888
You would never know
that it was pee-wee Herman

3408
03:11:23,889 --> 03:11:26,350
or Paul Reubens.

3409
03:11:26,392 --> 03:11:28,184
I think there's been
some sort of mistake.

3410
03:11:28,185 --> 03:11:28,894
I do not make mistakes.

3411
03:11:28,936 --> 03:11:32,272
And then when he scans the boy's brain,

3412
03:11:32,356 --> 03:11:35,025
we let him do the character
pee-wee Herman.

3413
03:11:35,067 --> 03:11:37,027
- That's it?
- That's it Davy!

3414
03:11:38,821 --> 03:11:42,032
Working with the puppets
and that world was really cool.

3415
03:11:42,157 --> 03:11:46,078
They were all built into the set,
the space terrarium.

3416
03:11:46,120 --> 03:11:47,204
Weird.

3417
03:11:47,246 --> 03:11:49,580
I love the big eyeball.

3418
03:11:49,581 --> 03:11:52,042
I love you.

3419
03:11:53,752 --> 03:11:55,086
What's really special

3420
03:11:55,087 --> 03:11:57,423
about flight of the navigator
is the heart of it.

3421
03:12:00,134 --> 03:12:02,636
Losing the family, getting the
family back together,

3422
03:12:02,928 --> 03:12:07,057
it has that warm Disney feeling
without being saccharine, I hope.

3423
03:12:07,099 --> 03:12:08,934
Goodbye, Davy.

3424
03:12:08,976 --> 03:12:10,059
It was so much fun.

3425
03:12:10,060 --> 03:12:11,060
People love it.

3426
03:12:11,061 --> 03:12:13,313
I'm so proud and grateful
to be part of it.

3427
03:12:13,355 --> 03:12:15,315
See you later alligator!

3428
03:12:25,075 --> 03:12:28,077
George Lucas presents an
electrifying new comedy.

3429
03:12:28,078 --> 03:12:29,538
Howard the duck

3430
03:12:29,580 --> 03:12:33,250
Howard the duck is about a duck
that comes from outer space,

3431
03:12:33,333 --> 03:12:38,380
is sucked down accidentally by some laser
pointed in the wrong direction.

3432
03:12:42,593 --> 03:12:44,844
All he wants is to go home.

3433
03:12:44,845 --> 03:12:46,680
I've got no intention
of being stranded here.

3434
03:12:46,722 --> 03:12:47,847
Then he meets up with this

3435
03:12:47,848 --> 03:12:50,392
all girl band fronted by Lea Thompson.

3436
03:12:51,310 --> 03:12:53,352
I love the early comics.

3437
03:12:53,353 --> 03:12:57,483
Steve gerber, who created Howard for
the comics, was a friend of mine.

3438
03:12:58,734 --> 03:13:02,821
A lot of people went in and thought,
oh, Howard, cute, duck,

3439
03:13:03,322 --> 03:13:07,492
expecting much more of a family film,
and they had actually taken

3440
03:13:07,493 --> 03:13:11,037
the more adult storytelling of the Howard

3441
03:13:11,038 --> 03:13:13,582
the duck comics.

3442
03:13:13,624 --> 03:13:14,458
Must be mating season.

3443
03:13:14,500 --> 03:13:16,710
None of it was g-rated.

3444
03:13:19,379 --> 03:13:21,297
I love irreverent comedy.

3445
03:13:21,298 --> 03:13:23,342
Kids are just little adults

3446
03:13:23,801 --> 03:13:26,719
with a lack of discernment.
For me as a kid, I was like,

3447
03:13:26,720 --> 03:13:29,890
there's a talking duck and he's sassy.

3448
03:13:29,932 --> 03:13:33,518
Well, sex appeal. Some guys
got it, and some guys don't.

3449
03:13:33,519 --> 03:13:35,521
Howard...

3450
03:13:35,687 --> 03:13:37,606
This is great.

3451
03:13:38,232 --> 03:13:40,191
Lea Thompson was my girl.

3452
03:13:40,192 --> 03:13:42,736
She hugged me and she goes,
"oh, my mand duck.“

3453
03:13:43,278 --> 03:13:45,781
you are great, ducky.

3454
03:13:45,989 --> 03:13:48,074
Howard the duck
was my very first film, ever.

3455
03:13:48,075 --> 03:13:50,993
Lea was one who kept
whispering to me,

3456
03:13:50,994 --> 03:13:54,456
"listen, don't be afraid to say no"
because I did all the major stunts

3457
03:13:54,957 --> 03:13:55,957
except the airplane.

3458
03:14:00,921 --> 03:14:02,589
Well, they wanted Howard the duck

3459
03:14:02,631 --> 03:14:07,261
to be edgy and a doll, but they thought,
well, we got to make it a family film too.

3460
03:14:07,636 --> 03:14:10,681
And I don't know that
those two things really work.

3461
03:14:10,722 --> 03:14:13,183
It's so life-like and realistic!

3462
03:14:13,225 --> 03:14:14,393
Bug off!

3463
03:14:14,434 --> 03:14:17,228
Howard the duck is a pg rated
movie that opens

3464
03:14:17,229 --> 03:14:22,400
with a topless duck and duck boobs
if there is, in fact, such a thing.

3465
03:14:22,401 --> 03:14:23,734
And there are a few blue jokes

3466
03:14:23,735 --> 03:14:25,737
in Howard the duck,
Lea Thompson opens up

3467
03:14:25,779 --> 03:14:27,781
this wallet and finds a
sort of duck condom.

3468
03:14:27,823 --> 03:14:30,200
No, there's a condom in the wallet?

3469
03:14:30,367 --> 03:14:32,368
Why would they think
that's a family movie?

3470
03:14:32,369 --> 03:14:34,079
Crazy!

3471
03:14:34,121 --> 03:14:36,123
Howard...

3472
03:14:37,624 --> 03:14:39,333
Unfortunately, you got this vibe,

3473
03:14:39,334 --> 03:14:41,420
that the duck is going to do it
with Lea Thompson.

3474
03:14:41,461 --> 03:14:43,422
You could always give it a try.

3475
03:14:45,257 --> 03:14:47,301
He's a little cigar smoking horn dog,

3476
03:14:47,593 --> 03:14:50,971
and he gets the women on
his planet, so he's here.

3477
03:14:51,138 --> 03:14:55,767
So when in Rome... and he came on to
her and she called his bluff.

3478
03:14:56,977 --> 03:14:59,688
I just can't resist your intense
animal magnetism.

3479
03:15:00,189 --> 03:15:01,564
As an adult, seeing

3480
03:15:01,565 --> 03:15:05,444
Howard the duck wake up in a bed with a
human lady, it's a little questionable.

3481
03:15:05,485 --> 03:15:09,280
There were a lot of things going
against it and not enough going for it.

3482
03:15:09,281 --> 03:15:14,870
Willard huyck, Howard the duck was
definitely his first big budget production.

3483
03:15:16,163 --> 03:15:19,583
Willard would shoot 20, 30, 40
takes of just this...

3484
03:15:21,960 --> 03:15:24,755
Cut! Do it again.

3485
03:15:25,088 --> 03:15:27,633
Willard and Gloria didn't quite get it.

3486
03:15:28,258 --> 03:15:30,676
I saw the whole thing
going south, you know,

3487
03:15:30,677 --> 03:15:33,889
because they were having trouble
making decisions like in everything.

3488
03:15:34,890 --> 03:15:37,016
The director had a meltdown.

3489
03:15:37,017 --> 03:15:38,684
I had a meltdown, too.

3490
03:15:38,685 --> 03:15:41,437
And so Lucas came in to direct.

3491
03:15:41,438 --> 03:15:42,772
He didn't pull punches.

3492
03:15:42,773 --> 03:15:45,192
Not so passive aggressive,
more aggressive.

3493
03:15:45,609 --> 03:15:49,613
You and babyface are gonna
beat it! Right, Mr. Zits?

3494
03:15:49,655 --> 03:15:53,158
Before I get really mad!

3495
03:15:53,867 --> 03:15:54,992
The technology

3496
03:15:54,993 --> 03:15:59,039
just wasn't there
to make Howard believable.

3497
03:15:59,331 --> 03:16:03,669
And if you didn't believe Howard,
then the whole movie falls apart.

3498
03:16:04,753 --> 03:16:06,755
What's this?

3499
03:16:06,797 --> 03:16:09,132
The notion of an alien duck cracked me up.

3500
03:16:09,466 --> 03:16:12,969
Of all the alleys in the world I could
have fallen into that night.

3501
03:16:12,970 --> 03:16:14,972
Why did it have to be yours?

3502
03:16:15,555 --> 03:16:18,225
But at the end of the day,
it really is just a guy in a duck suit

3503
03:16:18,267 --> 03:16:22,062
telling dirty jokes, and I think that's
the ultimate problem of Howard the duck.

3504
03:16:22,854 --> 03:16:26,149
The duck wanted to do it with the girl.

3505
03:16:26,191 --> 03:16:28,986
This is not what you think.
We're just very good friends.

3506
03:16:36,994 --> 03:16:40,998
Star Trek iv: The voyage home

3507
03:16:41,915 --> 03:16:44,000
I know a good idea when I see one.

3508
03:16:44,001 --> 03:16:48,005
I knew that Star Trek iv was
going to be an enormous success.

3509
03:16:48,297 --> 03:16:50,507
I read it and I said,
"this story has it all."

3510
03:16:50,549 --> 03:16:52,550
Do not approach earth.

3511
03:16:52,551 --> 03:16:57,556
The transmissions of an orbiting probe
are causing critical damage to this planet.

3512
03:16:58,557 --> 03:17:01,727
Leonard nimoy had proven with star
trek III that he was a capable director.

3513
03:17:01,810 --> 03:17:03,937
So when it came time to
direct Star Trek iv,

3514
03:17:04,104 --> 03:17:06,106
he was then in a position to negotiate.

3515
03:17:06,273 --> 03:17:08,191
I want to do something different.

3516
03:17:08,233 --> 03:17:10,235
We're going to attempt
time travel.

3517
03:17:10,819 --> 03:17:13,006
And we're going to lighten things
up, we're going to have more fun.

3518
03:17:13,030 --> 03:17:16,115
Can you direct me to
the naval base in Alameda?

3519
03:17:16,116 --> 03:17:18,118
It's where they keep
the nuclear wessels.

3520
03:17:19,661 --> 03:17:20,953
I got to write comedy.

3521
03:17:20,954 --> 03:17:27,210
There was a previous draft of a story that
harve and Leonard had concocted together.

3522
03:17:27,336 --> 03:17:30,839
I was told that it had a big role
for Eddie Murphy.

3523
03:17:32,049 --> 03:17:35,634
My friend dawn Steele,
who was head of production at the time,

3524
03:17:35,635 --> 03:17:38,764
she said, “we have a problem,
we're going into production in a month.

3525
03:17:39,264 --> 03:17:40,348
We're not going to use the script.

3526
03:17:40,349 --> 03:17:42,517
We have to start over."

3527
03:17:42,809 --> 03:17:46,312
So I walked across the lot
to their office,

3528
03:17:46,313 --> 03:17:48,482
and they told me the story
about the whales.

3529
03:17:48,523 --> 03:17:52,986
As suspected, the drone's transmissions
are the songs sung by whales.

3530
03:17:53,320 --> 03:17:56,447
And harve said,
"I'll write the parts in outer space

3531
03:17:56,448 --> 03:17:59,742
and you write the parts on earth,
in San Francisco."

3532
03:17:59,743 --> 03:18:03,413
And I said, "San Francisco?
That's the same movie as time after time.“

3533
03:18:03,747 --> 03:18:05,748
can we go some place else?

3534
03:18:05,749 --> 03:18:07,500
Why can't we go to Paris?

3535
03:18:07,501 --> 03:18:08,709
And they said,

3536
03:18:08,710 --> 03:18:12,172
well, because the whales wouldn't
fit in the sand or some - you know.

3537
03:18:12,214 --> 03:18:17,843
And I took stuff that I'd cut out of time
after time and threw it into this movie.

3538
03:18:17,844 --> 03:18:20,889
You know, waste not want not
never throw anything away.

3539
03:18:25,435 --> 03:18:28,355
Very complicated to be in front
of the camera and behind the camera.

3540
03:18:28,855 --> 03:18:30,981
Star Trek iv is something
that he worked on

3541
03:18:30,982 --> 03:18:33,652
really heavily before they
ever shot it for the film.

3542
03:18:34,069 --> 03:18:36,863
He really knew what he was doing,
had a clear vision going in,

3543
03:18:36,905 --> 03:18:39,825
and I think that's what really saved him.

3544
03:18:39,866 --> 03:18:41,827
I'll give you 100 dollars.

3545
03:18:41,868 --> 03:18:43,745
Is that a lot?

3546
03:18:43,787 --> 03:18:46,248
Star Trek iv ends up
becoming a very accessible film,

3547
03:18:46,623 --> 03:18:50,168
even for non Star Trek fans.

3548
03:18:50,710 --> 03:18:53,171
Why don't you watch where
you're going, you dumb-ass!

3549
03:18:53,630 --> 03:18:55,632
Double dumb-ass on you!

3550
03:18:55,674 --> 03:18:56,882
Every laugh is earned,

3551
03:18:56,883 --> 03:18:59,218
every laugh is honest.

3552
03:18:59,219 --> 03:19:00,846
Everybody remember
where we parked.

3553
03:19:00,887 --> 03:19:03,723
I thought the scene between bill

3554
03:19:04,057 --> 03:19:07,477
and Leonard in the car was just charming.

3555
03:19:07,561 --> 03:19:09,312
It was just delightful.

3556
03:19:09,354 --> 03:19:11,355
You guys like Italian?

3557
03:19:11,356 --> 03:19:13,358
- No.
- Yes.

3558
03:19:13,400 --> 03:19:15,401
- No.
- Yes.

3559
03:19:15,402 --> 03:19:16,611
Yes, I love Italian.

3560
03:19:16,653 --> 03:19:18,362
At the end of the movie,

3561
03:19:18,363 --> 03:19:22,075
we took whale song and processed it
with some electronic stuff.

3562
03:19:24,619 --> 03:19:25,995
There's no dialog.

3563
03:19:25,996 --> 03:19:29,039
You have to tell the audience
that this is a communication

3564
03:19:29,040 --> 03:19:32,585
between whale in this
weird sci fi object,

3565
03:19:32,586 --> 03:19:35,672
there are sort of two distinct
sounds of the probe.

3566
03:19:35,714 --> 03:19:37,006
There's the danger mode.

3567
03:19:37,007 --> 03:19:39,009
I went in with my best designs.

3568
03:19:39,718 --> 03:19:42,052
Leonard, he said, "they don't work.

3569
03:19:42,053 --> 03:19:44,573
It should sound like this. And he went
'whab, whab, whab, whab'"

3570
03:19:44,931 --> 03:19:45,557
in this deep,

3571
03:19:45,558 --> 03:19:47,349
he's got this big, deep voice.

3572
03:19:47,350 --> 03:19:48,684
And I said, "great.

3573
03:19:48,685 --> 03:19:51,020
We're recording Leonard."

3574
03:19:51,021 --> 03:19:52,396
And he called my bluff.

3575
03:19:52,397 --> 03:19:55,065
And Leonard bellied up to the
microphone just like this and he went,

3576
03:19:55,066 --> 03:19:56,775
"whab, whab, whab, whab"

3577
03:19:56,776 --> 03:19:57,943
just like that.

3578
03:19:57,944 --> 03:20:00,155
And that's what's in the movie.

3579
03:20:03,825 --> 03:20:05,784
But the ultimate villain,

3580
03:20:05,785 --> 03:20:08,788
which is in Star Trek iv, is man.

3581
03:20:09,331 --> 03:20:12,917
Since the dawn of time, men
have harvested whals for a variety

3582
03:20:12,918 --> 03:20:16,254
of purposes. Most of which can be
achieved synthetically at this point.

3583
03:20:16,630 --> 03:20:17,922
The studio wanted to know

3584
03:20:17,923 --> 03:20:20,967
what the probe was asking or saying.

3585
03:20:23,345 --> 03:20:24,221
And I said

3586
03:20:24,222 --> 03:20:27,557
"that's dumb, could never live
up to the mystery."

3587
03:20:28,058 --> 03:20:29,642
I said, "we're not doing that.“

3588
03:20:29,643 --> 03:20:32,645
and I remember dawn Steele saying,
"you're wrong, Nicky Mayer."

3589
03:20:32,646 --> 03:20:36,399
And I said, "well, that's just how
the cookie is going to crumble."

3590
03:20:37,317 --> 03:20:39,777
Star Trek ii, III and iv

3591
03:20:39,778 --> 03:20:42,405
is my absolute favorite Star Trek trilogy.

3592
03:20:42,822 --> 03:20:44,741
It tells a really wonderful story.

3593
03:20:49,412 --> 03:20:52,207
No one was doing anything
like that at that time.

3594
03:20:52,457 --> 03:20:56,210
So to take these three movies
and really make them a cohesive trilogy

3595
03:20:56,211 --> 03:20:59,464
is really super beautiful.

3596
03:20:59,506 --> 03:21:01,507
Hello computer.

3597
03:21:01,508 --> 03:21:03,510
Just use the keyboard.

3598
03:21:09,724 --> 03:21:14,062
Music hits us on a very visceral level.

3599
03:21:17,566 --> 03:21:20,026
These beautiful, symphonic,

3600
03:21:20,402 --> 03:21:25,782
gorgeous scores that are bringing you
on a journey and advancing action.

3601
03:21:26,116 --> 03:21:30,620
A good composer picks a range
for a character. When they're sad,

3602
03:21:31,037 --> 03:21:33,665
and when they're happy
and when they're in action

3603
03:21:33,873 --> 03:21:36,626
and when they're resting.

3604
03:21:36,668 --> 03:21:38,628
Would anyone like to review
that for us today?

3605
03:21:39,129 --> 03:21:41,715
I think all good film
composers are chameleons,

3606
03:21:41,756 --> 03:21:45,009
if they're talented in a wide ranging way

3607
03:21:45,010 --> 03:21:48,179
for that career, you have to have
a wide open musical mind.

3608
03:21:49,139 --> 03:21:52,975
What really changed in
the '703 was really Steven Spielberg,

3609
03:21:52,976 --> 03:21:55,854
because he brought back the idea

3610
03:21:56,146 --> 03:21:58,648
that big orchestras are great.

3611
03:22:06,156 --> 03:22:09,826
And everybody followed suit because
those movies were making money.

3612
03:22:13,163 --> 03:22:14,330
It's very easy

3613
03:22:14,331 --> 03:22:18,084
to evoke the emotions of the film
by listening to the score.

3614
03:22:18,335 --> 03:22:21,504
The movie's already in your head,
so when you drop that needle on that vinyl

3615
03:22:21,713 --> 03:22:24,841
and close your eyes
and you listen to that opening score

3616
03:22:24,924 --> 03:22:27,885
for Superman or star wars,
you're right there,

3617
03:22:27,886 --> 03:22:29,304
you're back in the movie.

3618
03:22:36,061 --> 03:22:37,895
That music is huge.

3619
03:22:37,896 --> 03:22:43,234
It reminds you that this is a story
about an entire galaxy.

3620
03:22:43,401 --> 03:22:46,363
When you heard...

3621
03:22:50,992 --> 03:22:53,078
You know what's coming.

3622
03:22:53,453 --> 03:22:55,538
John Williams, certainly what he produced,

3623
03:22:55,664 --> 03:22:58,416
or created was monumental.

3624
03:22:58,541 --> 03:23:01,211
It made an unbelievable impact.

3625
03:23:03,004 --> 03:23:05,131
With the last starfighter,

3626
03:23:05,173 --> 03:23:08,927
the problem was you were in
the footsteps of star wars,

3627
03:23:09,260 --> 03:23:13,390
and if you go off and say, "hey, Nick,
let's do this electronically,

3628
03:23:13,515 --> 03:23:15,016
you're doomed."

3629
03:23:18,395 --> 03:23:20,814
So you had to respect

3630
03:23:21,147 --> 03:23:24,901
that your palate was going
to be a big symphony orchestra.

3631
03:23:25,443 --> 03:23:29,572
It's pretty normal when I'm explaining
what I want to do to a director

3632
03:23:30,156 --> 03:23:34,619
to just sing a melody
or try to imitate the sound.

3633
03:23:35,370 --> 03:23:38,455
When I played the theme
to the last starfighter,

3634
03:23:38,456 --> 03:23:41,334
I was sitting on a piano, going

3635
03:23:42,127 --> 03:23:45,213
"And now six trumpets play..."

3636
03:23:53,263 --> 03:23:56,683
They had to imagine it all
from a guy playing a piano.

3637
03:23:58,059 --> 03:24:00,103
That ain't easy.

3638
03:24:04,315 --> 03:24:06,150
Back to the future turns out to be

3639
03:24:06,151 --> 03:24:08,945
Alan Sylvester's very first
orchestral score.

3640
03:24:13,825 --> 03:24:16,034
Bob zemeckis said they
need your score to make

3641
03:24:16,035 --> 03:24:18,997
it feel like it's a much bigger
movie than it really is.

3642
03:24:19,122 --> 03:24:23,334
So al put together what
turned out to be, I'm told,

3643
03:24:23,752 --> 03:24:27,547
the biggest orchestra ever
assembled in Hollywood at that time.

3644
03:24:27,756 --> 03:24:29,299
Ai nailed it.

3645
03:24:36,347 --> 03:24:40,518
American movies are
partially basil poledouris

3646
03:24:40,727 --> 03:24:44,564
and partially Jerry goldsmith's.
Basil is much more epic.

3647
03:24:52,781 --> 03:24:54,949
You see the scenes through a filter.

3648
03:24:55,283 --> 03:24:58,119
The filter is the music.

3649
03:24:59,662 --> 03:25:02,372
Elmer Bernstein got to your heart in a way

3650
03:25:02,373 --> 03:25:05,335
that very few composers managed to do.

3651
03:25:15,011 --> 03:25:17,847
I trusted his laugh and his lack of laugh,

3652
03:25:18,139 --> 03:25:21,476
when it happened, and it gave
me confidence in what I was doing.

3653
03:25:22,185 --> 03:25:24,020
I love him and I really miss him.

3654
03:25:25,021 --> 03:25:27,815
One of the things that you have to do
when you make a movie and you have to show

3655
03:25:27,816 --> 03:25:29,919
the rough cut to anybody
is you have to put a temp track on it.

3656
03:25:29,943 --> 03:25:31,026
Composers generally

3657
03:25:31,027 --> 03:25:34,030
don't like to have to watch the movie
with somebody else's music on it.

3658
03:25:34,405 --> 03:25:37,283
The editor and the director are often

3659
03:25:37,575 --> 03:25:40,119
what we call married to their temp track.

3660
03:25:40,328 --> 03:25:44,122
And so now you find yourself
unwittingly turning your movie

3661
03:25:44,123 --> 03:25:48,336
into something that is cut to the rhythm
of the music that you're not going to use.

3662
03:25:48,795 --> 03:25:51,130
The most famous example of a temp track

3663
03:25:51,339 --> 03:25:53,800
would be 2001: A space odyssey,

3664
03:25:54,384 --> 03:25:59,514
in which Stanley kubrick temped
the entire movie with Richard Strauss,

3665
03:25:59,681 --> 03:26:03,977
Johann Strauss and then had a composer
and immediately went, "you know?

3666
03:26:04,477 --> 03:26:07,813
I think the temp track's way better than
what you did" and he threw out the score

3667
03:26:07,814 --> 03:26:08,857
and went back to the temp.

3668
03:26:16,322 --> 03:26:19,616
First, let me see your
film in musical silence,

3669
03:26:19,617 --> 03:26:24,122
because that's how my imagination
works in that blank slate plays.

3670
03:26:25,290 --> 03:26:29,877
Mr Cameron and Gale Anne hurd
came to my studio and showed me the rough

3671
03:26:29,878 --> 03:26:34,132
cut of the Terminator, without a temp
track. I was kind of blown away.

3672
03:26:35,300 --> 03:26:39,929
There was a very primitive early
sampling device called an emulator one.

3673
03:26:40,263 --> 03:26:43,056
You could plug a microphone
into this keyboard

3674
03:26:43,057 --> 03:26:47,353
and make some weird sound
and then reproduce it with the keyboard.

3675
03:26:47,395 --> 03:26:50,523
And that's how I did
the clank on Terminator.

3676
03:26:54,611 --> 03:26:57,696
I had this cheap little Mike
and I hit a frying pan

3677
03:26:57,697 --> 03:27:01,993
because I wanted this big ample sound
and I got an anvil sample.

3678
03:27:03,119 --> 03:27:05,622
It just sounded like...

3679
03:27:09,667 --> 03:27:11,293
That little piece of technology

3680
03:27:11,294 --> 03:27:14,672
was the key to establishing
the sound for the original Terminator.

3681
03:27:21,888 --> 03:27:23,890
Ben jealous from blade runner.

3682
03:27:24,515 --> 03:27:29,728
That was so strange and different and new,
he created these ambient

3683
03:27:29,729 --> 03:27:32,774
pads, which was a very
progressive idea in that day,

3684
03:27:32,815 --> 03:27:37,152
in a way that sound designers now very
commonly do, he'd create these emotive

3685
03:27:37,153 --> 03:27:42,032
kind of atmospheres that weren't music,
but he used synthesizers and chimes

3686
03:27:42,033 --> 03:27:45,244
and embedded them in scenes
to create an ambiance feel.

3687
03:27:54,003 --> 03:27:56,631
The soundtrack to repo man
is a little more my speed

3688
03:27:56,798 --> 03:27:59,717
than the soundtrack to blade runner.

3689
03:28:04,847 --> 03:28:08,809
They started flipping the script
a little bit by introducing modern

3690
03:28:08,810 --> 03:28:11,396
rock music into what should
be a science fiction film.

3691
03:28:19,320 --> 03:28:21,322
Excuse me.

3692
03:28:22,073 --> 03:28:26,034
Kirk Thatcher did the vocals for
I hate you and he wrote the lyrics,

3693
03:28:26,035 --> 03:28:30,790
I literally wrote a song in a lunchtime,
recorded it live in one take.

3694
03:28:31,249 --> 03:28:32,583
And he's the punk on the bus.

3695
03:28:39,257 --> 03:28:42,010
We just had a ton of fun doing it.

3696
03:28:42,135 --> 03:28:44,428
Today, there's very little thematic music.

3697
03:28:44,429 --> 03:28:46,764
Music is more almost like a sound effect.

3698
03:28:53,771 --> 03:28:57,567
But in the '80s, there was a lot
of use of melody and themes.

3699
03:28:57,650 --> 03:29:00,778
There are so many great composers of
that era who wrote themes

3700
03:29:00,945 --> 03:29:03,865
and wrote melodies that you could hum
when you left the theater.

3701
03:29:04,115 --> 03:29:05,365
I love that.

3702
03:29:05,366 --> 03:29:07,159
That's one of the joys of cinema.

3703
03:29:07,160 --> 03:29:10,997
You can associate the moment in the score
with the images in the film

3704
03:29:11,372 --> 03:29:12,622
inside your head.

3705
03:29:12,623 --> 03:29:15,334
By the way, that's how you
know it's a good score.

3706
03:29:15,918 --> 03:29:19,004
This moment with that moment
will go together forever.

3707
03:29:19,005 --> 03:29:21,007
It's just a beautiful thing.

3708
03:29:33,519 --> 03:29:35,521
Arnold Schwarzenegger

3709
03:29:36,856 --> 03:29:38,858
predator

3710
03:29:38,900 --> 03:29:39,650
it was at the height

3711
03:29:39,651 --> 03:29:43,279
of the Rambo craze and the height
of the craze over aliens,

3712
03:29:43,446 --> 03:29:47,075
and all of a sudden
some whiz kid just said,

3713
03:29:48,826 --> 03:29:50,244
"put them together“.

3714
03:29:50,328 --> 03:29:54,082
I think in the '80s you saw
a transition in these kinds of movies

3715
03:29:54,290 --> 03:29:58,044
to something that was more
superhero in a way than hero

3716
03:29:58,252 --> 03:30:01,129
in a way. A branded physique.

3717
03:30:01,130 --> 03:30:03,341
The heroes were all buffed up.

3718
03:30:03,508 --> 03:30:06,594
It was a time
where your physical appearance

3719
03:30:07,095 --> 03:30:09,597
determined your masculinity
in terms of buffness.

3720
03:30:11,432 --> 03:30:14,102
I was fond of predator
because it felt like the most uniquely

3721
03:30:14,268 --> 03:30:17,562
crafted Schwarzenegger film in which
he was allowed to be more of an actor,

3722
03:30:17,563 --> 03:30:19,899
he was allowed to be afraid and desperate.

3723
03:30:21,734 --> 03:30:23,735
Payback time.

3724
03:30:23,736 --> 03:30:26,572
We go down there expecting to do our jobs

3725
03:30:26,614 --> 03:30:28,950
as a rescue team.

3726
03:30:29,951 --> 03:30:31,953
Stick around.

3727
03:30:31,994 --> 03:30:34,664
But we end up becoming the hunted.

3728
03:30:34,705 --> 03:30:37,166
There's something in those trees.

3729
03:30:37,542 --> 03:30:40,418
I think what's great about
predator in the storytelling

3730
03:30:40,419 --> 03:30:46,384
is allowing the audience to understand
who the characters were beyond Arnold.

3731
03:30:47,844 --> 03:30:50,388
I think they did an outstanding job

3732
03:30:50,680 --> 03:30:53,141
of giving everyone in the platoon

3733
03:30:53,432 --> 03:30:56,309
their bit of time on screen.

3734
03:30:56,310 --> 03:30:58,728
The question is, do you care about anybody

3735
03:30:58,729 --> 03:31:00,481
that got shot?

3736
03:31:02,316 --> 03:31:04,777
I just like great writing.

3737
03:31:05,278 --> 03:31:08,614
I was the ultimate tough guy.

3738
03:31:12,994 --> 03:31:15,204
Of course, the most special scene for me

3739
03:31:15,329 --> 03:31:18,290
and the one where I'll brag and say,
I stole the film

3740
03:31:18,291 --> 03:31:19,709
from Arnold.

3741
03:31:19,750 --> 03:31:22,043
You're hit, you're bleeding man.

3742
03:31:22,044 --> 03:31:23,921
I ain't got time to bleed.

3743
03:31:23,963 --> 03:31:27,884
And it almost didn't come about.
That scene got cut.

3744
03:31:27,925 --> 03:31:28,885
You've got time to duck?

3745
03:31:28,926 --> 03:31:30,510
And I'll never forget,

3746
03:31:30,511 --> 03:31:34,140
I can than montezuma's revenge,
because Arnold got sick

3747
03:31:34,682 --> 03:31:38,311
and Arnold couldn't shoot that day.

3748
03:31:38,436 --> 03:31:41,104
Predator is the one that everybody really
talks to me about.

3749
03:31:41,105 --> 03:31:43,107
The razor.

3750
03:31:43,149 --> 03:31:45,859
I'm gonna have me some fun tonight
when I'm going up the hill.

3751
03:31:45,860 --> 03:31:47,862
“I'm gonna have me some fun.

3752
03:31:47,904 --> 03:31:49,906
I'm gonna have me some fun.”

3753
03:31:50,198 --> 03:31:52,116
It still plays.

3754
03:31:56,078 --> 03:31:59,415
When I die, that's when
the platoon falls apart.

3755
03:31:59,498 --> 03:32:01,209
That's when panic set in.

3756
03:32:03,920 --> 03:32:05,462
These guys are really scared.

3757
03:32:05,463 --> 03:32:08,507
They're really big and muscular, and
they're dying and they're really dying.

3758
03:32:12,345 --> 03:32:14,722
The toughest guys in the world
who already know

3759
03:32:15,014 --> 03:32:17,934
that they're doomed,
this now becomes an existential movie.

3760
03:32:17,975 --> 03:32:20,144
There's something out there
waiting for us.

3761
03:32:21,270 --> 03:32:23,272
And it ain't no man.

3762
03:32:24,607 --> 03:32:26,776
Kevin Peter hall played the predator.

3763
03:32:27,276 --> 03:32:30,529
Kevin was the only one who
probably truly could have did the part,

3764
03:32:30,738 --> 03:32:34,325
because he had to be able to pick
Arnold up and make Arnold look small,

3765
03:32:34,867 --> 03:32:38,454
and he certainly did that.

3766
03:32:40,581 --> 03:32:45,169
John mctiernan knew what he was
doing in slowly revealing that character.

3767
03:32:48,381 --> 03:32:51,217
And it finally culminates
in one of the great reveals

3768
03:32:51,342 --> 03:32:55,471
in the history of sci fl,
and that's when the predator takes off

3769
03:32:55,596 --> 03:32:59,307
his bio helmet and reveals that face
with those mandibles.

3770
03:32:59,308 --> 03:33:02,853
And Arnold says,
"you one ugly motherfucker."

3771
03:33:05,648 --> 03:33:07,607
That is my favorite moment in that movie

3772
03:33:07,608 --> 03:33:10,611
when they have their final
mano a mano battle.

3773
03:33:10,861 --> 03:33:12,280
Predator reveals his face

3774
03:33:13,281 --> 03:33:16,242
drops his shoulder Cannon,
he's like, "let's go."

3775
03:33:16,617 --> 03:33:18,494
That's badass.

3776
03:33:20,913 --> 03:33:22,915
It just comes together as a thrill ride.

3777
03:33:23,165 --> 03:33:27,211
It's a perfect slice of what
pulp does best.

3778
03:33:28,838 --> 03:33:32,674
One of the prime examples
of testosterone driven

3779
03:33:32,675 --> 03:33:36,637
badass sci fi.

3780
03:33:36,887 --> 03:33:38,597
Yeah.

3781
03:33:38,639 --> 03:33:40,599
You son of a bitch.

3782
03:33:47,648 --> 03:33:49,649
Spaceballs

3783
03:33:49,650 --> 03:33:50,234
the movie.

3784
03:33:50,276 --> 03:33:51,193
The very first

3785
03:33:51,194 --> 03:33:56,574
joke of spaceballs is its title,
and everything after that is just one

3786
03:33:56,657 --> 03:33:58,617
joke after another.

3787
03:33:58,659 --> 03:34:00,619
May the Schwartz be with you.

3788
03:34:01,579 --> 03:34:03,580
Adorable.

3789
03:34:03,581 --> 03:34:04,748
All of this stuff kicked off

3790
03:34:04,749 --> 03:34:07,126
with star wars, obviously,
the very first shot of star wars.

3791
03:34:08,669 --> 03:34:14,132
You see the spaceship and it just goes on
and on and on. So many movies like just

3792
03:34:14,133 --> 03:34:17,969
absolutely copied star wars and said,
we need the giant

3793
03:34:17,970 --> 03:34:21,265
biggest spaceship ever.

3794
03:34:24,393 --> 03:34:26,562
When you think it's over,

3795
03:34:27,813 --> 03:34:29,690
it's not over.

3796
03:34:32,193 --> 03:34:34,820
And then when you think it's over,

3797
03:34:36,155 --> 03:34:38,616
it's still not over.

3798
03:34:39,909 --> 03:34:40,534
Mel Brooks

3799
03:34:40,535 --> 03:34:45,206
was able to take satire
and make it into a blockbuster.

3800
03:34:50,920 --> 03:34:52,922
Oh, no. Not again!

3801
03:34:52,963 --> 03:34:55,048
He honored the genre,

3802
03:34:55,049 --> 03:34:58,344
whether with history of the
world, part 1, blazing saddles.

3803
03:34:58,719 --> 03:35:01,722
He was able to truly understand the genre

3804
03:35:01,972 --> 03:35:04,475
he was trying to make fun of.

3805
03:35:04,517 --> 03:35:07,478
Dear me, what are those
things coming out of her nose?

3806
03:35:08,979 --> 03:35:10,563
Highbrow jokes

3807
03:35:10,564 --> 03:35:15,069
that really invited you in
to intellectually

3808
03:35:15,277 --> 03:35:18,697
make fun of the world
we were currently living in.

3809
03:35:18,739 --> 03:35:20,699
Spaceballs!

3810
03:35:22,243 --> 03:35:23,410
Breaking that fourth,

3811
03:35:23,411 --> 03:35:27,206
fifth, sixth, seventh wall.

3812
03:35:30,042 --> 03:35:32,044
Uhm, he did it.

3813
03:35:32,086 --> 03:35:35,297
He's making fun of the commercials
that we're watching on TV.

3814
03:35:35,339 --> 03:35:38,800
He's making fun of what happens
when we eat that much fast food

3815
03:35:38,801 --> 03:35:42,763
and we become what we eat.

3816
03:35:42,805 --> 03:35:44,765
The notorious gangster
became locked in his car

3817
03:35:44,807 --> 03:35:46,058
and ate himself to death.

3818
03:35:46,100 --> 03:35:47,017
You satirize

3819
03:35:47,018 --> 03:35:50,645
what it means to be
a completely vain society

3820
03:35:50,646 --> 03:35:55,191
that wastes all of its natural
resources and then goes and tries

3821
03:35:55,192 --> 03:35:57,611
to take those resources
from another planet.

3822
03:35:57,653 --> 03:36:00,030
Suck! Suck!

3823
03:36:04,118 --> 03:36:05,201
In spaceballs,

3824
03:36:05,202 --> 03:36:08,038
they talked about the
hilariousness of merchandizing.

3825
03:36:08,372 --> 03:36:11,041
I mean, that was how George Lucas
made all his money.

3826
03:36:11,167 --> 03:36:11,917
How did he know?

3827
03:36:11,918 --> 03:36:13,919
What is it that you do here?

3828
03:36:13,961 --> 03:36:14,962
Merchandizing.

3829
03:36:15,004 --> 03:36:16,629
Merchandizing.

3830
03:36:16,630 --> 03:36:17,922
Where the real money from the -

3831
03:36:17,923 --> 03:36:19,550
- movie is made.

3832
03:36:19,592 --> 03:36:21,259
Spaceballs the lunchbox!

3833
03:36:21,260 --> 03:36:22,553
Spaceballs the breakfast cereal!

3834
03:36:22,595 --> 03:36:26,515
Spaceballs is the flame thrower.

3835
03:36:26,557 --> 03:36:27,993
Flame thrower!
The kids love this one.

3836
03:36:28,017 --> 03:36:29,852
That was just nuts.

3837
03:36:32,229 --> 03:36:34,565
Dinks, first speaking role, by the way.

3838
03:36:34,607 --> 03:36:35,774
Dink dink.

3839
03:36:35,816 --> 03:36:37,818
Dink dink,
dink dink dink dink dink dink.

3840
03:36:38,235 --> 03:36:41,362
To this day, I don't know
what the dinks really did.

3841
03:36:41,363 --> 03:36:42,114
I don't care.

3842
03:36:42,115 --> 03:36:44,909
I was working with John candy.

3843
03:36:44,950 --> 03:36:46,911
I'm my own best friend.

3844
03:36:46,952 --> 03:36:48,329
Give me paw!

3845
03:36:48,370 --> 03:36:51,956
Bill Pullman, Daphne zuniga.

3846
03:36:51,957 --> 03:36:53,959
He shot my hair!

3847
03:36:54,001 --> 03:36:56,003
Son of a bitch!

3848
03:36:57,963 --> 03:36:59,464
Shields and yarnell

3849
03:36:59,465 --> 03:37:03,052
lorene yarnell was the gold robot
that Joan rivers voiced.

3850
03:37:03,093 --> 03:37:05,387
Will you turn that thing off?!

3851
03:37:06,305 --> 03:37:08,307
What?

3852
03:37:08,349 --> 03:37:10,351
What is it?

3853
03:37:10,476 --> 03:37:12,644
We were in on the joke

3854
03:37:12,645 --> 03:37:15,314
and it was peak Rick moranis.

3855
03:37:15,356 --> 03:37:17,733
Oh, your helmet is so big!

3856
03:37:18,275 --> 03:37:20,277
Dark helmet!

3857
03:37:25,991 --> 03:37:29,537
Michael winslow has this unique talent.

3858
03:37:32,164 --> 03:37:34,166
And the creeps.

3859
03:37:35,251 --> 03:37:37,210
I'm sure there's more on
the cutting room floor.

3860
03:37:37,211 --> 03:37:39,672
There's no way there's not.

3861
03:37:40,047 --> 03:37:41,631
It shows how diverse

3862
03:37:41,632 --> 03:37:45,052
the cast was in their skills.

3863
03:37:46,720 --> 03:37:48,096
It feels like all

3864
03:37:48,097 --> 03:37:52,601
the worlds are just colliding in this one
little mini comedic universe

3865
03:37:52,810 --> 03:37:55,813
that we're all waiting for
spaceballs ii to come out for.

3866
03:37:55,854 --> 03:37:58,816
God's willing we'll all meet
again in spaceballs ll:

3867
03:37:58,857 --> 03:38:00,859
The search for more money.

3868
03:38:00,943 --> 03:38:02,319
Still waiting.

3869
03:38:02,361 --> 03:38:05,322
Hello, my baby. Hello, my honey.

3870
03:38:05,364 --> 03:38:07,366
Hello, my ragtime gal.

3871
03:38:12,705 --> 03:38:14,290
Dennis quaid

3872
03:38:14,331 --> 03:38:15,916
Martin short

3873
03:38:16,041 --> 03:38:19,043
give yourself a shot
of adventure.

3874
03:38:19,044 --> 03:38:21,046
Innerspace

3875
03:38:21,297 --> 03:38:24,216
innerspace is about
technology gone awry.

3876
03:38:24,675 --> 03:38:27,343
The first person that can put someone
inside someone's body

3877
03:38:27,344 --> 03:38:29,555
and use them to kill them is the winner.

3878
03:38:32,141 --> 03:38:33,266
When innerspace came to me,

3879
03:38:33,267 --> 03:38:36,937
it was a picture that
Peter guber and John Peters owned.

3880
03:38:37,104 --> 03:38:38,271
And it was not a comedy.

3881
03:38:38,272 --> 03:38:39,606
It was a straight

3882
03:38:39,607 --> 03:38:43,193
spy movie with the plot of a guy who gets
shrunk down and put inside another guy.

3883
03:38:43,944 --> 03:38:48,324
I suggested diplomatically
that people would laugh at this idea,

3884
03:38:48,657 --> 03:38:50,283
and then they came back and they had hired

3885
03:38:50,284 --> 03:38:53,871
Jeffrey boam, who was a very
good writer, and he had come

3886
03:38:54,496 --> 03:38:57,373
to it with a different idea,
which was what would happen

3887
03:38:57,374 --> 03:39:00,544
if Dean Martin was shrunk down
and injected into Jerry Lewis.

3888
03:39:01,545 --> 03:39:05,090
And that was something that as a Martin
and Lewis fan of my youth,

3889
03:39:05,132 --> 03:39:08,302
I could certainly relate to,
and I said, "yes, now this works.

3890
03:39:08,469 --> 03:39:09,802
Now it's funny."

3891
03:39:09,803 --> 03:39:11,930
That's when Steven
Spielberg became involved.

3892
03:39:13,766 --> 03:39:17,895
When fantastic voyage was made,
it used the best technology.

3893
03:39:18,854 --> 03:39:21,273
Everything in it was
cutting edge for the time.

3894
03:39:24,401 --> 03:39:25,902
When we did innerspace,

3895
03:39:25,903 --> 03:39:31,449
of course, the technology has improved
so much, and we've gone so far ahead

3896
03:39:31,450 --> 03:39:35,371
in leaps and bounds.

3897
03:39:35,871 --> 03:39:37,872
I loved all the practical stuff

3898
03:39:37,873 --> 03:39:39,123
in that movie.

3899
03:39:39,124 --> 03:39:40,750
Just relax, Jack.

3900
03:39:40,751 --> 03:39:42,252
Let's see what's going on in here.

3901
03:39:42,294 --> 03:39:44,587
And how realistic they looked

3902
03:39:44,588 --> 03:39:46,882
prior to the advent
of any sort of computer

3903
03:39:47,341 --> 03:39:48,425
graphics.

3904
03:39:48,467 --> 03:39:50,469
Entering blood street.

3905
03:39:55,349 --> 03:39:57,767
You know, things like him
flying through the bloodstream

3906
03:39:57,768 --> 03:40:01,229
with the red blood cells
or seeing out of

3907
03:40:01,230 --> 03:40:03,023
Martin short's eyes.

3908
03:40:03,065 --> 03:40:05,025
Firing optic sensor.

3909
03:40:09,613 --> 03:40:11,155
And then you have the battle
inside the car

3910
03:40:11,156 --> 03:40:13,826
where there's a very clever
use of force perspective.

3911
03:40:16,995 --> 03:40:18,413
If you're working
with Martin short,

3912
03:40:18,414 --> 03:40:21,458
if you do ten takes, take ten is like
from a different movie than take one.

3913
03:40:21,542 --> 03:40:23,877
He likes to discover.
He likes to try new things.

3914
03:40:25,087 --> 03:40:29,091
Jack, you've just
digested the bad guy.

3915
03:40:30,592 --> 03:40:33,303
He and Dennis are never on screen together,
except at the very end.

3916
03:40:33,387 --> 03:40:35,179
But yet it wasn't going
to work to pre-record

3917
03:40:35,180 --> 03:40:37,683
Dennis's dialog
or pre-record Martin's dialog.

3918
03:40:38,225 --> 03:40:40,518
So our sound guy,
Ken kahn, came up with an idea

3919
03:40:40,519 --> 03:40:42,730
that allowed them to talk to each other
during takes.

3920
03:40:42,771 --> 03:40:45,899
So whenever I did a scene with Marty,
Dennis would still be there off screen

3921
03:40:46,233 --> 03:40:50,194
and they could talk to each other
and they could improvise.

3922
03:40:50,195 --> 03:40:52,197
In here, inside you.
Inside your body!

3923
03:40:52,239 --> 03:40:54,241
Somebody help me!

3924
03:40:54,283 --> 03:40:56,285
I'm possessed!!!

3925
03:40:56,368 --> 03:40:59,996
One of the reasons that their relationship
in the movie works so well is

3926
03:40:59,997 --> 03:41:03,166
because it's actually a real relationship
that they were having

3927
03:41:03,167 --> 03:41:04,585
at the moment.

3928
03:41:04,626 --> 03:41:06,627
You have seen parts of my body

3929
03:41:06,628 --> 03:41:08,630
that I will never get to see.

3930
03:41:08,672 --> 03:41:10,674
Believe me, you're
not missing all that much.

3931
03:41:13,010 --> 03:41:16,764
I love my character in the film,
just a malevolent presence.

3932
03:41:16,972 --> 03:41:18,055
He didn't talk.

3933
03:41:18,056 --> 03:41:20,517
He was just there.

3934
03:41:23,061 --> 03:41:23,812
My hand,

3935
03:41:23,813 --> 03:41:26,815
I had a multitude of things,
which was kind of fun.

3936
03:41:28,525 --> 03:41:31,652
The gun, the flame thrower,
an automatic submachine gun,

3937
03:41:31,653 --> 03:41:36,241
which we don't see because that scene
was taken out of the film. And the sex toy.

3938
03:41:37,493 --> 03:41:39,495
Yeah, the sex toy.

3939
03:41:40,537 --> 03:41:42,748
Very quick, but you see it.

3940
03:41:44,041 --> 03:41:46,125
They had this rig that they put me in.

3941
03:41:46,126 --> 03:41:49,629
Then they lowered it down into the floor,
which is where I get

3942
03:41:49,630 --> 03:41:51,048
shrunk down.

3943
03:41:53,675 --> 03:41:56,094
I have a fear of claustrophobia.

3944
03:41:57,095 --> 03:42:00,390
I was sweating bullets,
really, hated it.

3945
03:42:06,146 --> 03:42:09,608
It went very smoothly, and everybody
liked the movie when they saw it.

3946
03:42:09,691 --> 03:42:10,275
And the only thing

3947
03:42:10,317 --> 03:42:13,695
that I will say, that terrible ad campaign,
and so it didn't make any money.

3948
03:42:14,196 --> 03:42:17,699
But aside from that,
it was a great experience.

3949
03:42:21,411 --> 03:42:23,413
The future of law enforcement.

3950
03:42:23,455 --> 03:42:26,457
Robocop

3951
03:42:26,458 --> 03:42:29,544
robocop has all of those elements

3952
03:42:29,545 --> 03:42:32,631
that make greatness in cinema
and storytelling.

3953
03:42:33,966 --> 03:42:38,512
The fight for dignity,
the human condition at stake, humor.

3954
03:42:38,554 --> 03:42:40,556
I'd buy that for a dollar!

3955
03:42:42,391 --> 03:42:46,270
A slap in the face of society.

3956
03:42:48,146 --> 03:42:50,816
I called my agent and I said,
"they're changing his title, right?

3957
03:42:50,858 --> 03:42:52,650
It's not going to be the title."

3958
03:42:52,651 --> 03:42:54,987
Who's going to go see
a movie called robocop?

3959
03:42:55,571 --> 03:42:58,115
Boy, was I wrong about that.

3960
03:42:59,157 --> 03:43:01,200
In the beginning, for me, was very weird,

3961
03:43:01,201 --> 03:43:05,122
because Peter weller said to me,
"you have to call me robocop.

3962
03:43:05,914 --> 03:43:08,791
You cannot call me Peter."

3963
03:43:08,792 --> 03:43:11,044
So there was already some tension,
you know?

3964
03:43:13,338 --> 03:43:15,674
The robo suit ten hours later,

3965
03:43:16,383 --> 03:43:19,636
we're sitting there going,
oh my god.

3966
03:43:19,887 --> 03:43:21,179
He was so frustrated.

3967
03:43:21,221 --> 03:43:24,308
In fact, in the very first weeks,
there was a crisis.

3968
03:43:24,516 --> 03:43:27,728
They were thinking of
pulling the plug on on the film.

3969
03:43:29,021 --> 03:43:30,771
They literally had to assemble him.

3970
03:43:30,772 --> 03:43:33,358
It was like a toy, putting him
together with a screwdriver.

3971
03:43:34,860 --> 03:43:36,986
Every time I started feeling
sorry for myself,

3972
03:43:36,987 --> 03:43:40,782
I just looked at Peter,
who was in this big plastic thing.

3973
03:43:42,117 --> 03:43:43,826
And they got it down to about

3974
03:43:43,827 --> 03:43:45,913
three or four hours.

3975
03:43:45,954 --> 03:43:47,915
It's not as easy as it looks.

3976
03:43:48,916 --> 03:43:51,000
Robo teams robocop.

3977
03:43:51,001 --> 03:43:54,629
It's robocop lore, the battles
he had with Paul verhoeven

3978
03:43:54,630 --> 03:43:57,549
and I was there for many
of those battles in Rob's studio.

3979
03:43:59,009 --> 03:44:01,929
The way Rob sculpted that,
the way it was painted,

3980
03:44:01,970 --> 03:44:05,307
the finish on that machine,
it's a piece of art.

3981
03:44:07,768 --> 03:44:09,770
Drop it!

3982
03:44:09,811 --> 03:44:11,312
The shooting experience,

3983
03:44:11,313 --> 03:44:14,942
it was like this fast moving train,
and the film had that energy to it.

3984
03:44:15,025 --> 03:44:20,197
We felt so creative and we were so loose,
it was everything but was in the script.

3985
03:44:20,614 --> 03:44:24,493
I thought that it should have a different
style than American action movie,

3986
03:44:24,534 --> 03:44:28,914
that it should be partially light hearted,
that it should be a bit funny,

3987
03:44:29,039 --> 03:44:32,793
that you would be a bit amazed.

3988
03:44:32,834 --> 03:44:34,836
Can you fly, Bobby?

3989
03:44:36,838 --> 03:44:40,342
Clarence boddicker,
he's having a great time.

3990
03:44:40,384 --> 03:44:41,510
Bitches leave.

3991
03:44:41,551 --> 03:44:44,054
He's this sociopath.

3992
03:44:44,096 --> 03:44:45,856
You probably don't think
I'm a very nice guy.

3993
03:44:45,889 --> 03:44:47,098
You can't get crazy with it

3994
03:44:47,099 --> 03:44:49,476
because he still has
to be taken seriously.

3995
03:44:49,518 --> 03:44:51,436
Cops don't like me.

3996
03:44:51,478 --> 03:44:52,853
With the language,

3997
03:44:52,854 --> 03:44:56,733
I kept adding things, especially f-bombs,
I was big on

3998
03:44:56,817 --> 03:44:58,860
throwing those in all the time.

3999
03:44:58,902 --> 03:45:01,071
I don't want to fuck
with you, sal.

4000
03:45:01,196 --> 03:45:02,656
Bad guys,

4001
03:45:02,823 --> 03:45:05,158
they never think they're bad.

4002
03:45:05,200 --> 03:45:07,785
This corporation will live up
to the guiding principles

4003
03:45:07,786 --> 03:45:10,622
of its founder: Courage,
strength, conviction.

4004
03:45:11,456 --> 03:45:12,707
There is a vague

4005
03:45:12,708 --> 03:45:15,293
religious component to robocop,

4006
03:45:15,419 --> 03:45:19,965
of course, because I felt that
the death of Murphy

4007
03:45:20,132 --> 03:45:22,759
should be a crucifixion
because there was a resurrection.

4008
03:45:23,301 --> 03:45:25,512
That's why that scene
is extremely violent,

4009
03:45:25,762 --> 03:45:29,891
because crucifixion is one of the worst
punishments that you can imagine.

4010
03:45:31,351 --> 03:45:33,437
Paul grew up in world war ii.

4011
03:45:34,021 --> 03:45:36,188
He saw real violence.

4012
03:45:36,189 --> 03:45:40,651
His whole concept of
the violence in robocop

4013
03:45:40,652 --> 03:45:44,488
is he wanted it to be so over
the top that you got the joke

4014
03:45:44,489 --> 03:45:46,283
immediately.

4015
03:45:46,324 --> 03:45:49,118
You have 20 seconds to comply.

4016
03:45:49,119 --> 03:45:52,247
I think you'd better
do what he says, Mr. Kinney.

4017
03:45:52,372 --> 03:45:54,499
Oddly enough, they cut it back so much so

4018
03:45:54,541 --> 03:45:58,462
that it finally got to where it was
right on the edge of what you could stand.

4019
03:46:00,839 --> 03:46:02,381
They made the violence

4020
03:46:02,382 --> 03:46:05,927
more egregious by doing it that way.

4021
03:46:06,011 --> 03:46:09,346
That's non-artistic
people trying to make decisions

4022
03:46:09,347 --> 03:46:12,809
that they have no business making.

4023
03:46:14,019 --> 03:46:16,937
Ed-209 really wanted to emphasize

4024
03:46:16,938 --> 03:46:20,525
the stupidity of
American automobile design.

4025
03:46:20,692 --> 03:46:25,489
And so I proposed to Paul
that we build a full scale ed-209.

4026
03:46:30,577 --> 03:46:32,913
When ed falls down the stairs,

4027
03:46:33,288 --> 03:46:37,834
the sound effects was a baby pigs
getting their throat slit.

4028
03:46:44,382 --> 03:46:46,635
Shootouts, things blowing up.

4029
03:46:47,385 --> 03:46:50,555
It was a pretty active show.

4030
03:46:50,597 --> 03:46:52,766
Guns going off and car crashes,

4031
03:46:53,308 --> 03:46:55,435
it was pretty exciting.

4032
03:46:56,770 --> 03:46:59,106
One of the things that Nancy

4033
03:46:59,272 --> 03:47:03,275
and her character,
Louis were really responsible for,

4034
03:47:03,276 --> 03:47:07,614
within the movie, was bringing
robocop back to his humanity.

4035
03:47:07,656 --> 03:47:10,951
Murphy, it's you.

4036
03:47:11,576 --> 03:47:12,701
It really was about

4037
03:47:12,702 --> 03:47:17,082
the human connection that I had
with this part human character.

4038
03:47:17,415 --> 03:47:18,917
The soul was really still there.

4039
03:47:20,460 --> 03:47:24,923
Parable of loss of who are you

4040
03:47:25,465 --> 03:47:27,175
when that's gone.

4041
03:47:27,217 --> 03:47:29,719
Murphy had a wife and son.
What happened to them?

4042
03:47:30,846 --> 03:47:33,013
The scene when he
goes to his house

4043
03:47:33,014 --> 03:47:36,977
and it's empty,
it just made me almost cry,

4044
03:47:37,060 --> 03:47:39,521
and that's when I said,
this is a really good movie.

4045
03:47:39,563 --> 03:47:41,523
Can you that, dad?

4046
03:47:45,610 --> 03:47:47,903
It's a sad frigging movie, man,

4047
03:47:47,904 --> 03:47:52,242
it is a poignantly sad, sad, though,
even at the end, he said,

4048
03:47:52,284 --> 03:47:53,160
"what's your name, kid?“

4049
03:47:53,161 --> 03:47:55,077
"Murphy."

4050
03:47:55,078 --> 03:47:57,622
Okay, he's got something back, right?

4051
03:47:58,165 --> 03:47:59,832
But he doesn't have it back, Matt.

4052
03:47:59,833 --> 03:48:01,334
That's gone.

4053
03:48:01,376 --> 03:48:03,336
He's not a guy, he's a machine.

4054
03:48:03,378 --> 03:48:04,605
What are they gonna do,
replace us?

4055
03:48:04,629 --> 03:48:05,963
I like when a good film

4056
03:48:05,964 --> 03:48:09,300
will present those ideas
and do it in a humorous way,

4057
03:48:09,301 --> 03:48:12,304
but enough that it gets your attention
and gets you to think about it.

4058
03:48:13,221 --> 03:48:15,514
Robocop was urban dystopia.

4059
03:48:15,515 --> 03:48:17,851
I based it on elements that I saw.

4060
03:48:18,059 --> 03:48:23,982
Of course, it was happening in society
already, but were not visible yet.

4061
03:48:24,065 --> 03:48:28,152
But now we are here.

4062
03:48:28,153 --> 03:48:29,821
The power of its messages
trickle down

4063
03:48:29,863 --> 03:48:33,908
economics of the privatization
of the world and capitalism

4064
03:48:33,909 --> 03:48:35,243
run amok.

4065
03:48:35,285 --> 03:48:37,245
Yes.

4066
03:48:39,623 --> 03:48:41,874
I was not aware of how long lasting

4067
03:48:41,875 --> 03:48:46,254
the social strata of robocop would last.

4068
03:48:46,296 --> 03:48:48,172
I don't know. It's a one off man.

4069
03:48:48,173 --> 03:48:50,966
That movie is extraordinary.

4070
03:48:50,967 --> 03:48:53,886
Excuse me, robo, any special message
for all the kids watching at home?

4071
03:48:53,887 --> 03:48:55,889
Stay out of trouble.

4072
03:49:04,981 --> 03:49:06,983
The running man

4073
03:49:07,025 --> 03:49:11,446
what running man did. It
predated reality TV.

4074
03:49:11,488 --> 03:49:15,784
The running man:
America's favorite game show.

4075
03:49:17,244 --> 03:49:20,037
Running man is kind of dead on to

4076
03:49:20,038 --> 03:49:24,376
what happened with reality TV,
only in the case of the running man,

4077
03:49:24,668 --> 03:49:29,839
the reality was termination,
which we have unfortunately got to,

4078
03:49:29,965 --> 03:49:33,176
but I'll say yet.

4079
03:49:33,218 --> 03:49:35,220
It's time to start running!

4080
03:49:36,096 --> 03:49:39,849
Richard Dawson was your perfect
comedic bad guy.

4081
03:49:39,891 --> 03:49:42,686
He was just playing the role
he did on family feud.

4082
03:49:42,727 --> 03:49:45,522
Come on, let's play the feud,
let's go.

4083
03:49:46,273 --> 03:49:48,315
It made perfect sense to me.

4084
03:49:48,316 --> 03:49:52,821
I'd like you to volunteer
to appear on tomorrow's broadcast.

4085
03:49:53,446 --> 03:49:55,406
Halfway through filming predator,

4086
03:49:55,407 --> 03:49:58,909
Arnold came up to me on the set
and he said, "my next film this fall

4087
03:49:58,910 --> 03:50:02,289
is called the running man, there's a part
in there you're perfect for."

4088
03:50:02,330 --> 03:50:06,293
This is a sport of death and honor!
Code of the gladiators!

4089
03:50:06,918 --> 03:50:07,752
By the time

4090
03:50:07,794 --> 03:50:11,381
my part got there,
they were on their third director.

4091
03:50:11,715 --> 03:50:14,633
Fortunately for me, that director was

4092
03:50:14,634 --> 03:50:16,511
Paul Michael glaser.

4093
03:50:18,054 --> 03:50:21,641
Daven, here in the locker room,
there's a lot of excitment here.

4094
03:50:21,766 --> 03:50:23,600
Captain freedom, my character

4095
03:50:23,601 --> 03:50:27,355
in running man,
he was the greatest stalker of all time,

4096
03:50:27,647 --> 03:50:31,484
and he got old and like all old stalkers,

4097
03:50:31,526 --> 03:50:34,778
he ends up with a microphone.

4098
03:50:34,779 --> 03:50:36,322
Are you ready for pay?

4099
03:50:36,323 --> 03:50:36,823
Are you ready for suffering?

4100
03:50:36,865 --> 03:50:39,951
Running man was on the edge of technology

4101
03:50:40,201 --> 03:50:43,830
predicted in the movie
that has become reality today.

4102
03:50:44,456 --> 03:50:48,918
Maria conchita goes into her apartment
and starts turning things on by voice.

4103
03:50:49,127 --> 03:50:51,421
Well, that's a common practice now.

4104
03:50:51,463 --> 03:50:55,967
- Kitchen, Some coffee.
- Channel one.

4105
03:50:57,427 --> 03:50:58,927
We've already reached the running man

4106
03:50:58,928 --> 03:51:02,473
stage of technology.

4107
03:51:02,474 --> 03:51:04,308
There's a very crude,

4108
03:51:04,309 --> 03:51:10,147
1980's style sort of digital frame to make
you think that one person is there

4109
03:51:10,148 --> 03:51:12,816
when in actuality, it's someone else.

4110
03:51:12,817 --> 03:51:14,527
You'll never know the difference.

4111
03:51:14,569 --> 03:51:15,111
All right boys.

4112
03:51:15,153 --> 03:51:15,779
Running man

4113
03:51:15,780 --> 03:51:18,782
definitely predicted
deepfake technologies.

4114
03:51:19,074 --> 03:51:20,992
They created this phony fight.

4115
03:51:25,622 --> 03:51:26,581
Peter Kent,

4116
03:51:26,582 --> 03:51:29,584
I ended up fighting Peter
because Arnold wouldn't take a suplex.

4117
03:51:31,252 --> 03:51:34,964
He made Peter do it instead of him.

4118
03:51:35,006 --> 03:51:37,967
Let one out there, didn't I?

4119
03:51:41,888 --> 03:51:42,514
I'll always

4120
03:51:42,515 --> 03:51:45,433
Cherish this, I get to go to my death

4121
03:51:45,809 --> 03:51:49,853
as being one of only a handful
of people who've ever killed

4122
03:51:49,854 --> 03:51:51,898
Arnold Schwarzenegger on screen.

4123
03:51:56,194 --> 03:51:59,196
Running man was more to show how sick

4124
03:51:59,197 --> 03:52:03,742
I think we, a society,
can actually stoop to.

4125
03:52:03,743 --> 03:52:06,037
Entertainment knows no boundaries.

4126
03:52:06,454 --> 03:52:10,416
We don't give a damn what it is
as long as we get entertained by it

4127
03:52:10,417 --> 03:52:15,003
in the end, a pretty sick thing
to have sitting in our systems,

4128
03:52:15,004 --> 03:52:15,839
isn't it?

4129
03:52:15,880 --> 03:52:17,841
I'll be back.

4130
03:52:17,882 --> 03:52:19,884
Only in a rerun.

4131
03:52:26,724 --> 03:52:29,476
We all know that the
hero's journey is fundamentally

4132
03:52:29,477 --> 03:52:34,314
a part of many stories and science
fiction, usually a single character

4133
03:52:34,315 --> 03:52:39,319
who is initiating some adventure,
some call to action,

4134
03:52:39,320 --> 03:52:43,867
and that there is this
tremendous transformation.

4135
03:52:43,908 --> 03:52:47,871
Father! The sleeper has awaken!

4136
03:52:49,706 --> 03:52:50,831
Where do I come from?

4137
03:52:50,832 --> 03:52:52,291
Why do I matter?

4138
03:52:52,292 --> 03:52:55,169
What can I do to contribute
to the universe

4139
03:52:55,170 --> 03:52:59,048
in a real, meaningful way?
When we connect to heroes,

4140
03:52:59,466 --> 03:53:01,468
those are our idea! Selves.

4141
03:53:03,511 --> 03:53:05,972
Flash Gordon, he's just a guy

4142
03:53:06,389 --> 03:53:09,057
he doesn't have any superpowers,

4143
03:53:09,058 --> 03:53:12,228
relies solely on his wit
and his athleticism.

4144
03:53:14,230 --> 03:53:15,439
They carry attributes

4145
03:53:15,440 --> 03:53:18,318
and features that we
want to see in ourselves.

4146
03:53:18,526 --> 03:53:23,697
Brave, courageous, taking risks,
being compassionate, being vulnerable,

4147
03:53:23,698 --> 03:53:28,703
intelligent. When we're in these moments
with these characters

4148
03:53:28,786 --> 03:53:33,500
feeling the fear,
the phobia, the desperation,

4149
03:53:33,750 --> 03:53:36,336
sometimes even grief.

4150
03:53:36,377 --> 03:53:38,379
Why not make me an author?

4151
03:53:39,214 --> 03:53:41,173
We all need to see the hero

4152
03:53:41,174 --> 03:53:43,343
have those things to relate to them.

4153
03:53:44,886 --> 03:53:47,847
Alex is essentially a very reluctant hero.

4154
03:53:47,889 --> 03:53:50,850
I mean, I would say a coward, really.

4155
03:53:50,892 --> 03:53:52,852
There's been a big mistake.

4156
03:53:52,894 --> 03:53:55,312
Am I to understand you're actually
declining the honor

4157
03:53:55,313 --> 03:53:56,707
- of being a starfighter?
- You got it.

4158
03:53:56,731 --> 03:53:58,358
What are you a coward?

4159
03:53:58,399 --> 03:53:58,816
Are you a coward?

4160
03:53:58,858 --> 03:54:00,150
Which I found very believable.

4161
03:54:00,151 --> 03:54:03,153
We also come to learn
that heroic actions do

4162
03:54:03,154 --> 03:54:07,742
not have to be huge,
extraordinary broad things,

4163
03:54:08,159 --> 03:54:12,205
they can be small,
very meaningful actions.

4164
03:54:12,247 --> 03:54:15,833
It is illogical for you to perform
this energy pack transplant. Oy.

4165
03:54:17,293 --> 03:54:19,169
I like unsung heroes.

4166
03:54:19,170 --> 03:54:21,839
I like the people who
nobody ever talks about.

4167
03:54:22,882 --> 03:54:26,761
Hold him in the security tower.
Keep it quiet. Move.

4168
03:54:28,346 --> 03:54:32,475
If you boil down the classics
as we know them, empire strikes back,

4169
03:54:32,600 --> 03:54:38,606
et, the Terminator,
what unites them all is humanity.

4170
03:54:39,065 --> 03:54:43,444
And is the way that the directors
and the writers create character

4171
03:54:43,861 --> 03:54:45,655
that's accessible.

4172
03:54:45,697 --> 03:54:48,074
When you're gotten past the energy
shield, proceed directly

4173
03:54:48,116 --> 03:54:48,658
to the randevue point.

4174
03:54:48,700 --> 03:54:51,327
Women like Princess Leia,

4175
03:54:51,452 --> 03:54:54,581
like vasquez, like Sarah Connor.

4176
03:54:56,082 --> 03:54:57,708
They're empowered.

4177
03:54:57,709 --> 03:54:59,836
They make decisions
that other people don't like.

4178
03:55:00,128 --> 03:55:02,297
They take initiative, they take control.

4179
03:55:02,338 --> 03:55:04,340
You're terminated, fucker.

4180
03:55:07,051 --> 03:55:10,930
We needed to have that as young women.

4181
03:55:13,224 --> 03:55:17,228
Lewis, I received so much
mail from young girls

4182
03:55:17,562 --> 03:55:20,523
that just loved this character.

4183
03:55:21,649 --> 03:55:25,403
I made them feel powerful.

4184
03:55:27,071 --> 03:55:29,490
You just stay away from me, bishop.
You got that straight?

4185
03:55:29,532 --> 03:55:31,325
These are characters

4186
03:55:31,326 --> 03:55:34,245
that the audience can relate to.

4187
03:55:34,912 --> 03:55:39,792
It was very encouraging for young girls
that they could accomplish

4188
03:55:40,501 --> 03:55:45,006
these things that may traditionally
have been left to the guys to do.

4189
03:55:48,217 --> 03:55:50,385
Many of us are drawn to the anti-hero.

4190
03:55:50,386 --> 03:55:55,266
There are aspects within them
that maybe fulfill some of our desires.

4191
03:55:55,516 --> 03:55:59,520
This concept of rule
breaking and nonconformity.

4192
03:55:59,562 --> 03:56:02,023
I have come here to chew
bubble gum and kick ass.

4193
03:56:04,025 --> 03:56:05,275
Something snarly

4194
03:56:05,276 --> 03:56:08,445
about those characters
that anti-establishment.

4195
03:56:08,446 --> 03:56:11,032
It's a different attitude.

4196
03:56:11,074 --> 03:56:11,824
Yes, I bet you have.

4197
03:56:11,866 --> 03:56:14,285
If we think about han, Max.

4198
03:56:14,327 --> 03:56:15,953
I'm just here for the gasoline.

4199
03:56:15,995 --> 03:56:16,954
Snake.

4200
03:56:16,996 --> 03:56:18,414
Get a new president.

4201
03:56:18,456 --> 03:56:22,793
Selfishness is there,
that sense of wanting to do

4202
03:56:22,794 --> 03:56:25,045
what's best for them is there.

4203
03:56:25,046 --> 03:56:28,757
And yet somewhere
in that rugged individuality,

4204
03:56:28,758 --> 03:56:32,637
somewhere in that stubbornness is a heart.

4205
03:56:32,679 --> 03:56:36,641
I'll chase him down the moons
of nibia and 'round the antares

4206
03:56:38,768 --> 03:56:42,897
maelstrom and 'round perdition's
flames before I give him up.

4207
03:56:43,314 --> 03:56:45,942
We connect to so many villains.

4208
03:56:46,275 --> 03:56:49,696
They're fascinating,
they're alluring, they're different.

4209
03:56:50,029 --> 03:56:52,615
I'm supposed to hate
or despise the villain,

4210
03:56:52,782 --> 03:56:55,827
but I actually feel connected
to them. Why?

4211
03:56:55,868 --> 03:56:59,831
If only you could see what
I have seen with your eyes.

4212
03:57:00,832 --> 03:57:04,961
I had no idea of the power of ursa.

4213
03:57:05,002 --> 03:57:06,963
I have powers beyond
reason here.

4214
03:57:09,882 --> 03:57:12,176
There's a real outlet

4215
03:57:12,260 --> 03:57:15,513
for bad behavior in these villains.

4216
03:57:15,847 --> 03:57:20,101
There's a vicarious indulgence
in rooting for the villain.

4217
03:57:20,143 --> 03:57:22,729
Ooh, guns, guns, guns!

4218
03:57:22,854 --> 03:57:23,354
And I think

4219
03:57:23,355 --> 03:57:28,401
that's a safe way to be close to evil,
destruction, bad behavior, and know,

4220
03:57:28,818 --> 03:57:32,113
that's ultimately not what I'm about at
the end of the day.

4221
03:57:32,822 --> 03:57:35,742
To be a good villain you had to
believe you were the good guy.

4222
03:57:36,451 --> 03:57:40,120
Once you believe you're the villain,
then suddenly you become stereotypical

4223
03:57:40,121 --> 03:57:42,498
of everything that everybody
wants a villain to be.

4224
03:57:42,540 --> 03:57:44,542
Take that program
to the holding pit!

4225
03:57:45,001 --> 03:57:46,126
Part of humanity

4226
03:57:46,127 --> 03:57:50,715
is acknowledging that we're not all good
and all perfect, that we have elements

4227
03:57:50,757 --> 03:57:53,551
of destruction, we make mistakes, that's

4228
03:57:53,926 --> 03:57:55,802
human psychology.

4229
03:57:55,803 --> 03:57:59,223
There will come a day when I'll
show all of you! Don't you forget it!

4230
03:58:00,391 --> 03:58:04,103
Seeing these characters overcome adversity

4231
03:58:04,437 --> 03:58:08,565
gives us really important suggestions
for our own lives

4232
03:58:08,566 --> 03:58:09,192
and our own behaviors.

4233
03:58:09,193 --> 03:58:11,194
No, biff. You leave her alone.

4234
03:58:12,528 --> 03:58:12,945
You leave her alone.

4235
03:58:12,987 --> 03:58:13,946
Is there anything

4236
03:58:13,947 --> 03:58:17,616
from this narrative that I feel inspired
by, that maybe I could do.

4237
03:58:17,617 --> 03:58:22,622
And what is it like to overcome
something that seems insurmountable?

4238
03:58:42,266 --> 03:58:44,268
I don't want you to think
earth girls are easy.

4239
03:58:44,811 --> 03:58:46,813
Earth girls are easy

4240
03:58:48,314 --> 03:58:49,439
earth girls are easy

4241
03:58:49,440 --> 03:58:51,859
was like an mtv musical.

4242
03:58:57,448 --> 03:58:58,615
It is a provocative title,

4243
03:58:58,616 --> 03:59:03,704
but the idea is that girls are complex
and you have to be open to changing

4244
03:59:03,996 --> 03:59:07,917
what you think is going to make you happy.

4245
03:59:08,125 --> 03:59:11,128
I need surprises.
I need romance.

4246
03:59:11,170 --> 03:59:12,547
I mean, how long has it been

4247
03:59:12,588 --> 03:59:13,464
since you said, "I love you"...

4248
03:59:13,506 --> 03:59:15,633
The original original idea came from -

4249
03:59:15,842 --> 03:59:17,969
you remember those
national enquirer stories?

4250
03:59:18,427 --> 03:59:22,139
I saw one where this woman said
an alien came in through the doggy door

4251
03:59:22,265 --> 03:59:24,684
and she had sex with him.

4252
03:59:25,893 --> 03:59:29,188
We thought that was hilarious.

4253
03:59:29,230 --> 03:59:31,190
Hey, come on everybody!
We're doing a makeover.

4254
03:59:33,985 --> 03:59:36,612
I thought the whole thing
should be a break into song musical.

4255
03:59:37,655 --> 03:59:40,825
Charlie coffey, my writing partner
and I, we proceeded to write,

4256
03:59:41,158 --> 03:59:44,912
I don't know, 25 drafts,
the reality of it was much different

4257
03:59:45,246 --> 03:59:47,122
when they finally landed on Julien temple,

4258
03:59:47,123 --> 03:59:51,419
they sent me his movie absolute beginners
to break into song musical.

4259
03:59:57,967 --> 04:00:00,219
So I thought, oh my god, this is perfect.

4260
04:00:00,428 --> 04:00:04,222
Once Julien got attached,
they realized the budget was going to be

4261
04:00:04,223 --> 04:00:09,937
this certain amount, and I wasn't
a big enough name to warrant that amount.

4262
04:00:10,146 --> 04:00:13,816
So I went in
and pitched me as the second lead.

4263
04:00:14,025 --> 04:00:17,945
And they went for it, but I was like,
so freaking

4264
04:00:18,321 --> 04:00:21,490
depressed about it and angry.

4265
04:00:21,657 --> 04:00:23,701
I've had to come to terms
with earth girls.

4266
04:00:25,453 --> 04:00:28,331
Geena Davis and Jeff goldblum,
they're both really nice.

4267
04:00:28,372 --> 04:00:30,498
It came as a package deal.

4268
04:00:30,499 --> 04:00:34,044
They were so in love
and they were making out on the set

4269
04:00:34,045 --> 04:00:37,048
all the time, and I found it irritating

4270
04:00:37,256 --> 04:00:40,759
because I was like, "this is my movie.

4271
04:00:40,760 --> 04:00:43,930
We must take this seriously."

4272
04:00:49,894 --> 04:00:50,728
The aliens,

4273
04:00:50,729 --> 04:00:55,066
we thought it would be really funny if
they were hairy when they first showed up.

4274
04:01:00,696 --> 04:01:02,949
Not recognizable as cute boys.

4275
04:01:03,574 --> 04:01:05,576
Shit, Valerie! Those are aliens!

4276
04:01:09,080 --> 04:01:13,042
And that there'd be this transformation.

4277
04:01:13,459 --> 04:01:15,461
Wow!

4278
04:01:15,503 --> 04:01:17,295
When they suggested Jim carrey

4279
04:01:17,296 --> 04:01:20,383
to me, for whitlock,
it was the craziest of the aliens.

4280
04:01:21,133 --> 04:01:25,011
He has this like not quite human quality

4281
04:01:25,012 --> 04:01:26,930
that he does on stage.

4282
04:01:26,931 --> 04:01:29,934
You won't be seeing much
more physical humor on my show.

4283
04:01:33,938 --> 04:01:35,730
There was a big search for that part.

4284
04:01:35,731 --> 04:01:38,025
I mean, I feel like
we're very lucky that he did it.

4285
04:01:38,859 --> 04:01:40,861
I'm going home with him.

4286
04:01:42,655 --> 04:01:44,657
Bitch.

4287
04:01:44,699 --> 04:01:46,324
Damon wayans is willing

4288
04:01:46,325 --> 04:01:50,037
to sort of do anything.

4289
04:01:50,913 --> 04:01:52,288
The aliens themselves

4290
04:01:52,289 --> 04:01:55,417
didn't have any kind of racism,

4291
04:01:55,418 --> 04:01:58,421
we thought that was very cool.

4292
04:01:59,463 --> 04:02:02,216
It very much captures '803

4293
04:02:02,550 --> 04:02:06,011
valley specifically, and,
you know, they use the observatory

4294
04:02:06,012 --> 04:02:07,972
as the disco.

4295
04:02:10,683 --> 04:02:11,434
I would have loved

4296
04:02:11,435 --> 04:02:14,895
if there was more valley landmarks
that were in there that are gone now.

4297
04:02:14,937 --> 04:02:17,982
It really has this time
capsule quality of the '80s.

4298
04:02:20,276 --> 04:02:21,860
Love comes in

4299
04:02:21,861 --> 04:02:25,489
many forms and many shapes, right,
and it could be an alien from space,

4300
04:02:25,698 --> 04:02:28,701
something that is very relevant
and means something to me,

4301
04:02:29,035 --> 04:02:31,829
especially with,
you know, all my gay friends.

4302
04:02:32,121 --> 04:02:34,373
The thing is, earth girls
really are not easy,

4303
04:02:34,582 --> 04:02:37,501
but if she just took her vision
and changed it a little,

4304
04:02:38,210 --> 04:02:41,504
the perfect man did show up.

4305
04:02:41,505 --> 04:02:43,507
Sounds like you have two hearts.

4306
04:02:43,549 --> 04:02:46,052
- Yes. Don't you?
- No.

4307
04:02:57,229 --> 04:02:59,231
Akira

4308
04:02:59,273 --> 04:03:02,151
a government experiment that creates

4309
04:03:02,359 --> 04:03:06,572
super humans who are so powerful
their thoughts can destroy

4310
04:03:06,822 --> 04:03:08,783
everything.

4311
04:03:10,993 --> 04:03:14,538
Akira in the late '803 was
one of the first Japanese

4312
04:03:14,872 --> 04:03:19,125
anime things that came to the states
that people started to appreciate

4313
04:03:19,126 --> 04:03:22,296
and realize
how big this stuff is in Japan.

4314
04:03:22,505 --> 04:03:24,548
Like, it's not just Saturday
morning cartoons.

4315
04:03:25,299 --> 04:03:27,217
It was a big, big movie.

4316
04:03:27,218 --> 04:03:29,512
I think Akira kind of opened
that door in america.

4317
04:03:31,806 --> 04:03:32,806
Before I was aware

4318
04:03:32,807 --> 04:03:35,850
of Akira, I was a fan of
Japanese animation,

4319
04:03:35,851 --> 04:03:39,855
I really loved battle of the planets
and macros and robotech.

4320
04:03:39,980 --> 04:03:42,566
These are all cartoons
I watched after school.

4321
04:03:42,900 --> 04:03:46,862
When I was at a convention
and I saw the artwork for Akira on a vhs,

4322
04:03:46,904 --> 04:03:49,156
I thought, wow, cool, a movie.

4323
04:03:51,367 --> 04:03:53,702
And we put it in and what we had

4324
04:03:53,994 --> 04:03:56,997
was a third or fourth generation bootleg.

4325
04:03:57,748 --> 04:04:00,083
And it was all in Japanese.

4326
04:04:00,084 --> 04:04:02,169
It was not subtitled or dubbed.

4327
04:04:02,461 --> 04:04:04,672
We had no idea what the story was.

4328
04:04:07,216 --> 04:04:09,343
The animation was so compelling.

4329
04:04:09,552 --> 04:04:12,554
We just knew that this was amazing
and earth shaking

4330
04:04:12,555 --> 04:04:14,765
and was unlike anything we had ever seen.

4331
04:04:17,560 --> 04:04:21,729
It's about tetsuo's friends
trying to save him,

4332
04:04:21,730 --> 04:04:24,942
even when they realize that the way to
save him is to destroy him.

4333
04:04:32,992 --> 04:04:34,951
I've only been to Tokyo once,

4334
04:04:34,952 --> 04:04:39,206
and my oven/vhelming impression of it
was that Tokyo is just on top of you.

4335
04:04:39,248 --> 04:04:41,667
You can't move. In Neo Tokyo,

4336
04:04:41,709 --> 04:04:43,084
they've rebuilt Tokyo

4337
04:04:43,085 --> 04:04:46,755
and actually expanded some of the highways
and giving it more space.

4338
04:04:47,882 --> 04:04:52,094
Akira is the very first time I ever saw
one of those shots,

4339
04:04:52,303 --> 04:04:55,889
incredible motorbike coming at you
and starting that power slide

4340
04:04:55,890 --> 04:04:58,142
like what seems like
hundreds of feet away.

4341
04:04:59,977 --> 04:05:01,394
It's the visual Wilhelm scream

4342
04:05:01,395 --> 04:05:04,647
of anime,
it has to be in every anime,

4343
04:05:04,648 --> 04:05:08,694
and all of that was hand
animated and hand painted.

4344
04:05:09,445 --> 04:05:13,032
That was just jaw dropping to me.

4345
04:05:18,662 --> 04:05:21,207
I finally did see Akira in English,

4346
04:05:21,332 --> 04:05:24,585
and it's even better than what
I thought it was as a kid.

4347
04:05:36,513 --> 04:05:39,015
Hi, kids! It's me,
Ronald McDonald.

4348
04:05:39,016 --> 04:05:42,311
And I'm on the set of my
very first motion picture ever.

4349
04:05:42,353 --> 04:05:44,271
It's a movie called Mac and me.

4350
04:05:44,313 --> 04:05:47,107
Mac and me is the kirkland e.T.

4351
04:05:48,442 --> 04:05:49,276
There is an entire

4352
04:05:49,277 --> 04:05:52,947
generation of people
who only know Mac and me

4353
04:05:53,197 --> 04:05:57,033
because Paul rudd shows a
scene from Mac and me

4354
04:05:57,034 --> 04:06:00,204
on conan o'brien every time he goes
there to promote a movie.

4355
04:06:00,496 --> 04:06:04,333
I get a phone call and it's the guy
that I've never met.

4356
04:06:05,125 --> 04:06:09,755
And he said, "I have a film
that I want you to direct and write.

4357
04:06:09,964 --> 04:06:15,552
It's a lot like e.T., but I want to do it
with a family with an actual person

4358
04:06:15,636 --> 04:06:19,098
with a spinal bifida condition."

4359
04:06:20,933 --> 04:06:22,600
We didn't steal anything from him,

4360
04:06:22,601 --> 04:06:26,480
it was just a concept
to have an alien creature,

4361
04:06:26,730 --> 04:06:30,900
so I need the prototype aliens,
big big eyes, nothing like e.T.

4362
04:06:30,901 --> 04:06:33,028
And animated and cute.

4363
04:06:33,320 --> 04:06:34,737
It's the kids.

4364
04:06:34,738 --> 04:06:36,740
Can we go there and watch?

4365
04:06:36,782 --> 04:06:37,074
No way!

4366
04:06:37,116 --> 04:06:39,158
The lead boy, Jade calegory,

4367
04:06:39,159 --> 04:06:44,081
he was exactly what we want, and he could
act and he was wonderful in the movie.

4368
04:06:44,123 --> 04:06:46,125
Please? I won't anybody
hurt you.

4369
04:06:49,795 --> 04:06:50,754
It was fun to make

4370
04:06:50,755 --> 04:06:55,426
the film, but it was extremely limiting
because the creature

4371
04:06:55,509 --> 04:06:58,220
is really a puppet on cables.

4372
04:06:58,846 --> 04:07:01,682
Everything was time consuming,

4373
04:07:01,890 --> 04:07:03,642
but it worked.

4374
04:07:05,644 --> 04:07:08,647
He's so wholesome in his element.

4375
04:07:09,148 --> 04:07:12,066
They were both very cute together.

4376
04:07:12,067 --> 04:07:15,112
But it's all done
on the level of children.

4377
04:07:15,654 --> 04:07:18,574
It's a whole different world
when you're writing for kids.

4378
04:07:21,910 --> 04:07:24,495
It was a charitable endeavor.

4379
04:07:24,496 --> 04:07:27,165
The producer is a man
that worked for McDonald's,

4380
04:07:27,166 --> 04:07:30,586
who is this big, main supplier,
a multimillionaire.

4381
04:07:30,836 --> 04:07:35,090
He was probably,
you know, polishing his own look

4382
04:07:35,424 --> 04:07:39,219
by making a film and giving
all of the money to this company.

4383
04:07:40,804 --> 04:07:42,513
Everything is a deal

4384
04:07:42,514 --> 04:07:45,976
behind films because films just cost
way too much money to make.

4385
04:07:47,061 --> 04:07:49,937
Well, the Ronald McDonald
actor in the film

4386
04:07:49,938 --> 04:07:53,525
was the one that was actually on TV
in all the commercials.

4387
04:07:54,026 --> 04:07:55,861
It was a crossover of perfection.

4388
04:07:59,656 --> 04:08:01,992
We have this building that
they're giving us.

4389
04:08:02,409 --> 04:08:05,079
We have as many dances
as we can put in there.

4390
04:08:05,371 --> 04:08:07,873
That's how it was created.

4391
04:08:09,124 --> 04:08:10,375
One of the dancers

4392
04:08:10,376 --> 04:08:13,754
in that background,
which we shot was Jennifer Aniston.

4393
04:08:14,171 --> 04:08:15,964
Can you believe that?

4394
04:08:17,841 --> 04:08:21,178
Nobody paid tribute to this producer

4395
04:08:21,637 --> 04:08:26,475
than made a whole movie
to help people who were handicapped

4396
04:08:26,725 --> 04:08:30,270
have more presence in the film business,
and it destroyed the kid.

4397
04:08:30,354 --> 04:08:33,774
He did it because he wanted to show
the people that couldn't move

4398
04:08:33,899 --> 04:08:36,610
except in a wheelchair
could do all this stuff.

4399
04:08:37,319 --> 04:08:41,073
So then Paul rudd comes along
and he sticks out this whole scene

4400
04:08:41,615 --> 04:08:45,076
with Jade losing control of his wheelchair

4401
04:08:45,077 --> 04:08:47,454
and flying off a cliff.

4402
04:08:52,167 --> 04:08:52,876
He did it

4403
04:08:52,918 --> 04:08:56,713
year after year after year, he is single

4404
04:08:56,755 --> 04:08:59,341
handedly kept that movie alive.

4405
04:08:59,758 --> 04:09:04,137
I would love to sit down with him
and write a sequel

4406
04:09:04,138 --> 04:09:07,683
to that movie with him
starring in it with this creature.

4407
04:09:08,725 --> 04:09:09,685
My wife's always saying

4408
04:09:09,686 --> 04:09:11,603
we should call Paul rudd.

4409
04:09:22,948 --> 04:09:27,703
Sometimes science fiction
holds an obligation

4410
04:09:28,328 --> 04:09:31,957
to give messages and even commentary

4411
04:09:32,207 --> 04:09:36,128
about our social systems.

4412
04:09:36,170 --> 04:09:38,172
Alien nation

4413
04:09:38,213 --> 04:09:39,923
alien nation was tackling

4414
04:09:39,965 --> 04:09:42,301
themes of racism and segregation.

4415
04:09:42,342 --> 04:09:45,721
At least I'm a detective,
not some outer shit space thing.

4416
04:09:45,804 --> 04:09:48,765
Not very subtle metaphor.

4417
04:09:48,807 --> 04:09:50,767
Their ship was a slave ship,

4418
04:09:50,809 --> 04:09:52,954
washed ashore on earth with no way
to get back to where they came from.

4419
04:09:52,978 --> 04:09:55,772
There are immigrants
who have ended up in la.

4420
04:09:56,190 --> 04:09:58,608
A lot of the time doing the menial jobs.

4421
04:09:58,609 --> 04:10:00,735
So it's a kind of it's
a look at the way L.A.

4422
04:10:00,736 --> 04:10:01,945
Works.

4423
04:10:02,905 --> 04:10:06,491
Alien nation is basically
a science fiction

4424
04:10:06,492 --> 04:10:09,076
version of a buddy cop movie.

4425
04:10:09,077 --> 04:10:10,787
Change your mind?

4426
04:10:10,829 --> 04:10:13,039
Two mismatched cops
come together to solve a crime,

4427
04:10:13,040 --> 04:10:15,209
well known trope
by this point in the '803.

4428
04:10:15,250 --> 04:10:17,252
Hey, nice signal dickhead!

4429
04:10:17,878 --> 04:10:18,504
The film stars

4430
04:10:18,505 --> 04:10:22,423
James caan as the human cop,
Matt Sykes and Mandy patinkin

4431
04:10:22,424 --> 04:10:24,843
as his alien counterpart,
George Francisco.

4432
04:10:24,885 --> 04:10:26,845
My true name is stangya-sorenz-ahhhh.
Sorenz-ah,

4433
04:10:28,680 --> 04:10:30,598
- well, gesundheit. Ha.
- Thank you.

4434
04:10:30,599 --> 04:10:31,475
I'll call you George.

4435
04:10:31,517 --> 04:10:34,435
Terence stamp plays
the newcomer, the villain in the film.

4436
04:10:34,436 --> 04:10:36,939
You move one finger and
you're history, you hear me?

4437
04:10:36,980 --> 04:10:38,982
Not history. Eternity!

4438
04:10:41,151 --> 04:10:42,193
Gale Anne hurd.

4439
04:10:42,194 --> 04:10:46,532
She didn't want to be seen just as James
Cameron's producer, she wanted to say,

4440
04:10:46,615 --> 04:10:50,452
actually, I do my own things.
And that's where alien nation comes in.

4441
04:10:50,702 --> 04:10:54,539
It has the feel of the Terminator,
it has a feel of that

4442
04:10:54,540 --> 04:10:57,751
look the way that Cameron
went about science fiction.

4443
04:10:58,961 --> 04:11:00,963
Where's the drug?

4444
04:11:01,046 --> 04:11:04,215
Bring the science to the contemporary.

4445
04:11:04,216 --> 04:11:07,385
Bring it to the current city
and that idea that Los Angeles

4446
04:11:07,386 --> 04:11:10,305
is an essential character
in the whole piece.

4447
04:11:12,099 --> 04:11:16,727
Initially, when Stan Winston
and his team got that job,

4448
04:11:16,728 --> 04:11:20,816
they were hoping to make the aliens
a little less humanoid.

4449
04:11:20,983 --> 04:11:22,650
Some of his team were looking at the

4450
04:11:22,651 --> 04:11:26,488
Louis gossett junior character in enemy
mine as inspiration for where they could go

4451
04:11:26,655 --> 04:11:30,408
but in the end, and I believe wisely so,
the filmmakers said, no,

4452
04:11:30,409 --> 04:11:34,746
we want them to be closer to human
to really play up that theme of

4453
04:11:34,997 --> 04:11:36,664
we're similar in the end, right?

4454
04:11:36,665 --> 04:11:37,874
So why these differences?

4455
04:11:37,916 --> 04:11:41,002
Yeah, I mean, it's made ofr rubber,
it's stretches, right?

4456
04:11:41,003 --> 04:11:43,005
And still it fits?

4457
04:11:43,839 --> 04:11:46,133
This genre has always

4458
04:11:46,300 --> 04:11:53,140
been about the expansion of our ideas
and how we relate to one another.

4459
04:11:53,348 --> 04:11:56,350
Our social elements, our
social structure, even elements

4460
04:11:56,351 --> 04:12:01,063
that we should be more mindful of
and even dismantle.

4461
04:12:01,064 --> 04:12:03,608
So why do we have to take them?
Why can't they go to Russia

4462
04:12:03,609 --> 04:12:06,028
- or some place like that.
- I'll drink to that.

4463
04:12:06,111 --> 04:12:07,153
Alien nation

4464
04:12:07,154 --> 04:12:10,115
thrived later, when it was
redeveloped for television.

4465
04:12:10,657 --> 04:12:13,993
That's when the themes that we talk about
are in your face every week,

4466
04:12:13,994 --> 04:12:17,204
and the show becomes an allegory
for all of these topical stories

4467
04:12:17,205 --> 04:12:19,916
that are still resonating today.

4468
04:12:30,385 --> 04:12:33,889
Where do you go looking
for a cherry 2000?

4469
04:12:35,474 --> 04:12:39,185
A post-apocalyptic world
that has this kind of

4470
04:12:39,186 --> 04:12:43,440
technological utopia that is very similar
to what we find ourselves in today.

4471
04:12:43,482 --> 04:12:45,191
You know, everything's
kind of taken care of

4472
04:12:45,192 --> 04:12:49,362
and yet there's a whole undennorld
just barely getting by and getting by

4473
04:12:49,363 --> 04:12:53,533
in the most ingenious
and sort of violent and horrible ways.

4474
04:12:53,575 --> 04:12:55,577
- Where you're from, mister?
- Anaheim.

4475
04:13:00,332 --> 04:13:01,707
It really is

4476
04:13:01,708 --> 04:13:04,419
a little scary in
its visionary aspects.

4477
04:13:04,795 --> 04:13:08,465
Most of the world
has given up on relationships.

4478
04:13:08,674 --> 04:13:13,387
So if you had your domestic mate
at cherry 2000, which was the epitome

4479
04:13:13,804 --> 04:13:16,764
of what you would want,
you know, if it breaks, you can't get it

4480
04:13:16,765 --> 04:13:20,227
fixed in the current world,
so you have to go out into zone 7.

4481
04:13:21,353 --> 04:13:23,354
She's at cherry 2000.

4482
04:13:23,355 --> 04:13:26,774
I want you to go into zone 7,
and give me one just like her.

4483
04:13:26,775 --> 04:13:29,903
A director just fell out,
I found out later it was Irv kershner,

4484
04:13:30,070 --> 04:13:32,781
and they were desperate
to get somebody and go shoot.

4485
04:13:33,490 --> 04:13:36,618
I read 20 pages
and it was brilliant, weird stuff,

4486
04:13:36,743 --> 04:13:39,287
so ijumped on cherry,
which was a moving train.

4487
04:13:41,581 --> 04:13:43,917
Melanie Griffith, she just had a baby.

4488
04:13:43,959 --> 04:13:47,003
So it was a very tough shoot,
she really had to endure a lot.

4489
04:13:49,673 --> 04:13:52,925
There's a little easter egg in the robot
repair thing where

4490
04:13:52,926 --> 04:13:57,513
Sam treadwell, played by David
Andrews, goes to see a robot repair

4491
04:13:57,514 --> 04:14:01,892
guy, and I put robby the robot
in gort in there, at my expense,

4492
04:14:01,893 --> 04:14:05,980
it was out of my little director's
slush fund. Forbidden planet is

4493
04:14:05,981 --> 04:14:10,526
probably the first movie of the sci
fi genre that really influenced me.

4494
04:14:10,527 --> 04:14:12,529
So it was giving back to that.

4495
04:14:12,571 --> 04:14:15,532
I am monitored to respond
to the name roby.

4496
04:14:19,995 --> 04:14:23,165
We shot in every toxic location in Nevada

4497
04:14:23,498 --> 04:14:26,625
inside hoover dam, electromagnetic forces

4498
04:14:26,626 --> 04:14:30,714
in the spillways and radiation zones

4499
04:14:31,214 --> 04:14:33,717
concocted some crazy, over-the-top

4500
04:14:33,800 --> 04:14:36,261
rpg fights and things like that.

4501
04:14:37,262 --> 04:14:39,388
The one big set piece with the magnet

4502
04:14:39,389 --> 04:14:41,391
in the mustang.

4503
04:14:43,560 --> 04:14:45,604
You'd never do it today,
it would all be cgi.

4504
04:14:50,901 --> 04:14:51,942
It's a real stunt

4505
04:14:51,943 --> 04:14:55,447
woman hanging on to that
car out over hoover dam.

4506
04:14:55,947 --> 04:14:58,575
Thank god it was only one take.

4507
04:15:03,330 --> 04:15:06,750
Vegas buried in sand dunes, I think
that was the first time it was ever done.

4508
04:15:07,042 --> 04:15:10,712
We did old glass maps
where you actually paint

4509
04:15:10,962 --> 04:15:14,466
and shoot through them, built
big sets poking out of there.

4510
04:15:14,883 --> 04:15:17,718
The Vegas showgirls and all that.

4511
04:15:17,719 --> 04:15:21,764
Besides blowing up a lot of Nevada
in the process, it's really about love,

4512
04:15:21,765 --> 04:15:25,519
about finding true love,
not an idealized mate

4513
04:15:25,852 --> 04:15:28,230
that does your bidding
and cooks you dinner.

4514
04:15:28,313 --> 04:15:32,526
It's about interactions
with a tough, equal or superior woman.

4515
04:15:34,277 --> 04:15:36,571
And finally, realizing that that's

4516
04:15:36,738 --> 04:15:38,990
that's more desirable.

4517
04:15:48,583 --> 04:15:50,251
One of the aspects

4518
04:15:50,252 --> 04:15:54,296
of being a science fiction
fan was a fascination

4519
04:15:54,297 --> 04:15:59,135
with what science
can bring us in the world of tomorrow.

4520
04:15:59,553 --> 04:16:01,805
What might be? What could be?

4521
04:16:01,847 --> 04:16:05,141
Hello, I'm Johnny cab.

4522
04:16:05,225 --> 04:16:08,061
It is a forecast into our future.

4523
04:16:08,979 --> 04:16:11,230
A lot of science
fiction writers are writing

4524
04:16:11,231 --> 04:16:15,609
and developing technologies
that end up becoming real in the future.

4525
04:16:15,610 --> 04:16:19,281
People in the fields of medicine
and technology and science,

4526
04:16:19,573 --> 04:16:22,241
it's very exciting to know
that all of these people were inspired

4527
04:16:22,242 --> 04:16:23,910
by watching Star Trek.

4528
04:16:23,952 --> 04:16:25,012
Klingon mummification glyph.

4529
04:16:25,036 --> 04:16:27,622
What were the principal
historical events on the planet

4530
04:16:27,664 --> 04:16:28,290
earth in the year 1987? Correct.

4531
04:16:28,331 --> 04:16:29,456
Sci fi

4532
04:16:29,457 --> 04:16:32,085
imitates real life, real life
imitates sci fi.

4533
04:16:35,839 --> 04:16:36,798
We create

4534
04:16:36,799 --> 04:16:42,678
art through our movies and our stories
that is of our imagination,

4535
04:16:42,679 --> 04:16:45,682
and then someone somewhere goes, "hey, hey,

4536
04:16:46,224 --> 04:16:48,977
what if I could do that?"

4537
04:16:53,106 --> 04:16:55,274
You think of all the things

4538
04:16:55,275 --> 04:16:58,945
that were figments of
someone's imagination.

4539
04:16:59,029 --> 04:17:01,196
Motion trackers, who would have thunk?

4540
04:17:01,197 --> 04:17:05,076
And now we're almost reliant on GPS.

4541
04:17:05,118 --> 04:17:07,078
What about tracking?
We can check his exact

4542
04:17:07,120 --> 04:17:09,122
location at all times.

4543
04:17:09,164 --> 04:17:10,873
The phone, which is not a phone, it's

4544
04:17:10,874 --> 04:17:14,961
a phone, it's a camera, it's your day
runner, it has a tape measure.

4545
04:17:15,045 --> 04:17:17,422
It's everything. It's your entire life.

4546
04:17:17,631 --> 04:17:20,300
I never thought I'd be wearing a computer

4547
04:17:20,425 --> 04:17:22,886
on my wrist, it's just laughable.

4548
04:17:23,720 --> 04:17:26,388
There are computers in our iPhones
that are actually more powerful

4549
04:17:26,389 --> 04:17:29,476
than the computer
that was in the Apollo missions, right?

4550
04:17:29,893 --> 04:17:32,145
Which is mind boggling.

4551
04:17:33,021 --> 04:17:36,148
In runaway, there was
that almost Internet

4552
04:17:36,149 --> 04:17:38,777
before its time.

4553
04:17:41,529 --> 04:17:43,865
The drone technology.

4554
04:17:43,990 --> 04:17:46,576
Police are preparing a floater
camera which will enter the house

4555
04:17:46,618 --> 04:17:48,721
in an attempt to locate
the runaway 912 and the infant.

4556
04:17:48,745 --> 04:17:49,537
All of that stuff

4557
04:17:49,538 --> 04:17:52,624
has pretty much come to life.

4558
04:17:52,832 --> 04:17:55,543
The science has caught up
to the science fiction.

4559
04:17:55,877 --> 04:18:00,714
There is more technological advance
in the past 50 years than there is

4560
04:18:00,715 --> 04:18:04,594
in all of recorded history up to 50 years
ago, and that will continue.

4561
04:18:07,180 --> 04:18:09,264
Arthur c. Clarke's definition

4562
04:18:09,265 --> 04:18:13,019
that any advanced technology
will be indistinguishable from magic.

4563
04:18:13,728 --> 04:18:17,065
What we think of today as impossible

4564
04:18:17,357 --> 04:18:20,401
and magical in 15 or 20 or even 1000

4565
04:18:20,402 --> 04:18:23,822
years will be commonplace.

4566
04:18:24,864 --> 04:18:27,450
We just don't know
what's around the corner.

4567
04:18:28,493 --> 04:18:31,454
And it's bound to be something
that will blow our minds right.

4568
04:18:31,997 --> 04:18:35,624
I would only hope that humankind
would continue to be inspired

4569
04:18:35,625 --> 04:18:38,545
by the possibilities of the future.

4570
04:18:39,504 --> 04:18:40,338
It's crazy.

4571
04:18:40,339 --> 04:18:42,464
I don't know where we're headed.

4572
04:18:42,465 --> 04:18:46,176
At some point, all of this stuff is going
to be implanted into our heads somewhere

4573
04:18:46,177 --> 04:18:49,305
and we'll just think something
and there it'll be in front of us.

4574
04:18:49,556 --> 04:18:50,473
Why not?

4575
04:18:50,474 --> 04:18:52,475
I would like to ask a quesiton.
Will I dream?

4576
04:18:52,517 --> 04:18:54,519
Of course you will dream.

4577
04:18:54,853 --> 04:18:58,356
Some of the things that have come to
fruition are very scary.

4578
04:18:58,398 --> 04:19:01,984
You know, when we talk about
facial recognition, deepfake technologies,

4579
04:19:01,985 --> 04:19:05,195
artificial intelligence that could
potentially take over the planet,

4580
04:19:05,196 --> 04:19:07,282
these are the kinds of things
that were forecast

4581
04:19:07,657 --> 04:19:11,036
in the '803 sci fi films
that are just now starting to break.

4582
04:19:14,080 --> 04:19:16,916
Deepfakes, this is an existential issue,

4583
04:19:17,417 --> 04:19:21,129
because we're going to come back to
the idea of, do you trust your fellow man?

4584
04:19:21,212 --> 04:19:23,506
It's not the deepfake
that's going to make the difference.

4585
04:19:23,757 --> 04:19:25,842
It's the guy behind the deepfake.

4586
04:19:25,884 --> 04:19:27,969
Right now, you don't even have
to do a deepfake.

4587
04:19:28,053 --> 04:19:32,557
Just tell the same lie over
and over and over again and you're in.

4588
04:19:32,599 --> 04:19:37,979
To me, that's the disturbing part,
not the ability to sing the siren song.

4589
04:19:38,146 --> 04:19:40,231
It's the people who are seduced by it.

4590
04:19:43,276 --> 04:19:45,152
We find ourselves now

4591
04:19:45,153 --> 04:19:48,947
in this somewhat
both inspiring and dystopian

4592
04:19:48,948 --> 04:19:52,243
future world that's very much
like the movies that we all watched.

4593
04:19:52,619 --> 04:19:55,371
Part of the nostalgia
for the '803 movies

4594
04:19:55,580 --> 04:19:58,416
is that they dealt with a lot of
these fears very, very well.

4595
04:19:58,541 --> 04:20:01,211
They dealt with government paranoia.

4596
04:20:01,586 --> 04:20:06,466
They dealt with technological overreach
and hyper innovation.

4597
04:20:11,221 --> 04:20:13,890
What are you really
sacrificing in the name of progress.

4598
04:20:14,432 --> 04:20:16,809
And, yeah, computers
are going to try to kill us.

4599
04:20:16,810 --> 04:20:20,313
And I think in some way
computers have tried to kill us.

4600
04:20:21,606 --> 04:20:24,943
We already live
within the construct of skynet.

4601
04:20:24,984 --> 04:20:26,569
If you're on any social media,

4602
04:20:26,611 --> 04:20:31,490
all of those systems are artificial
intelligence systems that are aggregating

4603
04:20:31,491 --> 04:20:35,203
all of those algorithms
and figuring out who you are

4604
04:20:35,245 --> 04:20:37,455
in a way that you don't even understand.

4605
04:20:37,497 --> 04:20:39,790
They cannot make things
like that yet.

4606
04:20:39,791 --> 04:20:40,750
Not yet.

4607
04:20:40,792 --> 04:20:42,835
Skynet in Terminator

4608
04:20:42,836 --> 04:20:46,548
was the warning,
and every time you input a piece of data,

4609
04:20:46,965 --> 04:20:49,801
you were adding to that quote
unquote skynet.

4610
04:20:49,843 --> 04:20:51,845
Enhance 34 to 36.

4611
04:20:54,097 --> 04:20:56,891
I think every generation looks
at the new technology.

4612
04:20:57,016 --> 04:21:00,854
There's the scariness and this hopefulness
that I think always coexist.

4613
04:21:00,979 --> 04:21:04,107
And so it comes down to do
we have systems in place

4614
04:21:04,357 --> 04:21:09,070
that allow us the beneficial
aspects of technology

4615
04:21:09,320 --> 04:21:12,574
while limiting the potential
for abuse and misuse.

4616
04:21:14,993 --> 04:21:15,702
I think that for

4617
04:21:15,703 --> 04:21:19,164
every new technology,
for every sci fi idea,

4618
04:21:19,581 --> 04:21:21,957
you can find a movie that's hopeful

4619
04:21:21,958 --> 04:21:24,127
about what that's going to
do to transform the world.

4620
04:21:24,335 --> 04:21:28,756
And a movie that's terrified about how
this thing is going to destroy everything.

4621
04:21:29,924 --> 04:21:32,759
There isn't a single sci
fi concept where you can't find

4622
04:21:32,760 --> 04:21:35,638
both of those kinds of movies.

4623
04:21:48,109 --> 04:21:50,111
Bill & Ted's

4624
04:21:50,153 --> 04:21:52,155
excellent! Excellent!

4625
04:21:52,447 --> 04:21:53,781
Excellent adventure

4626
04:21:53,990 --> 04:21:57,493
what if you had the ultimate power
of the gods in your hand

4627
04:21:57,785 --> 04:22:01,289
and yet you're such an imbecile
that you did

4628
04:22:01,831 --> 04:22:04,751
nothing with it, really.

4629
04:22:04,792 --> 04:22:07,879
All we are is dust
and the wind, dude.

4630
04:22:09,464 --> 04:22:12,050
It was so nice to see a script written

4631
04:22:12,634 --> 04:22:14,928
with young people who were still young.

4632
04:22:14,969 --> 04:22:16,971
We're wild stallions!

4633
04:22:18,181 --> 04:22:19,181
Who had innocence

4634
04:22:19,182 --> 04:22:23,227
and openness and weren't cynical and jaded
and weren't talking

4635
04:22:23,228 --> 04:22:25,563
like characters
out of a Woody Allen movie at 16.

4636
04:22:25,605 --> 04:22:28,274
How's it going, royal
ugly dudes?

4637
04:22:29,484 --> 04:22:32,069
The reason that Keanu and I
probably got hired was that

4638
04:22:32,070 --> 04:22:37,242
we were both theater kids and we both took
the characters very seriously.

4639
04:22:43,414 --> 04:22:44,332
Really playing them with

4640
04:22:44,333 --> 04:22:47,377
sincerity and not with a wink
and a nod of the audience.

4641
04:22:48,461 --> 04:22:50,295
It's not back to the future.

4642
04:22:50,296 --> 04:22:52,297
You know, we're not that big.

4643
04:22:52,298 --> 04:22:56,385
We didn't have a lot of money, but
we really leaned into the kind of ragtag,

4644
04:22:56,386 --> 04:23:00,264
sincere analog nature of this hyper

4645
04:23:00,265 --> 04:23:03,977
real situation that we were in.

4646
04:23:04,018 --> 04:23:06,020
Hey! That's us.
We're back in San dimas!

4647
04:23:06,312 --> 04:23:09,315
Yeah. Only now it's not now.
It's last night.

4648
04:23:10,191 --> 04:23:13,277
My favorite scene from bill
and Ted is the circle k

4649
04:23:13,278 --> 04:23:16,364
when the phone booth arrives.

4650
04:23:16,406 --> 04:23:18,199
Not bad!

4651
04:23:18,241 --> 04:23:20,284
In terms of sci fi conceits,

4652
04:23:20,285 --> 04:23:22,412
acting opposite yourself was really fun.

4653
04:23:22,620 --> 04:23:25,915
Strange things are afoot
at the circle k.

4654
04:23:27,458 --> 04:23:28,625
Time travel.

4655
04:23:28,626 --> 04:23:32,171
Multiple versions of yourself.

4656
04:23:32,213 --> 04:23:35,591
- 69 dudes!
- Whoa.

4657
04:23:35,925 --> 04:23:37,301
That kind of mind screw

4658
04:23:37,302 --> 04:23:39,804
type stuff is the most fun.

4659
04:23:39,846 --> 04:23:41,848
Want a twinkie, genghis Khan?

4660
04:23:42,056 --> 04:23:45,268
Our film is a strange movie.

4661
04:23:45,310 --> 04:23:47,312
I'm darth Ted.

4662
04:23:48,021 --> 04:23:50,023
I'll never rule the universe with you!

4663
04:23:50,064 --> 04:23:51,606
We didn't have a Rufus for,

4664
04:23:51,607 --> 04:23:54,651
you know, it was well into production.

4665
04:23:54,652 --> 04:23:56,654
Greetings, my excellent friends.

4666
04:23:56,696 --> 04:23:58,698
I'm here to help you
with your history report.

4667
04:23:58,823 --> 04:24:01,867
They kept throwing names at us,
and they went after Connery,

4668
04:24:01,868 --> 04:24:04,244
I think with the time bandits thing,

4669
04:24:04,245 --> 04:24:07,581
Keanu and I were actually
genuinely worried that they were going

4670
04:24:07,582 --> 04:24:10,585
to cast the wrong Rufus, but
we were really, really lucky with carlin.

4671
04:24:14,255 --> 04:24:17,300
I'm not strict about time travel rules,
I just want to be entertained.

4672
04:24:17,383 --> 04:24:20,053
The time travel mechanics
are actually very, very tight

4673
04:24:20,428 --> 04:24:23,723
and very, very realistic.

4674
04:24:23,765 --> 04:24:26,493
We'll time travel back to two days ago,
steal your dad's keys and leave them here!

4675
04:24:26,517 --> 04:24:29,394
My favorite time travel
mechanic is when bill and Ted decide

4676
04:24:29,395 --> 04:24:32,690
that they're going to do a thing
in the future using the time machine.

4677
04:24:32,732 --> 04:24:34,692
W see? Ow, yeah!

4678
04:24:35,818 --> 04:24:37,152
That's the ultimate sort of closed

4679
04:24:37,153 --> 04:24:39,364
loop time travel mechanic.

4680
04:24:39,405 --> 04:24:41,699
We can't forget to do this,
othennise it won't happen.

4681
04:24:41,741 --> 04:24:43,284
But it did happen!

4682
04:24:43,326 --> 04:24:44,743
It really could have gone off the rails

4683
04:24:44,744 --> 04:24:48,581
at any point along the way.

4684
04:24:48,623 --> 04:24:50,625
We're history.

4685
04:24:50,750 --> 04:24:54,170
For all of the circuits of time stuff,
they just had a boot that was like a canoe

4686
04:24:54,379 --> 04:24:59,217
just kind of wedged onto the top
of like this really rickety hydraulic pole

4687
04:24:59,675 --> 04:25:03,428
that was very high in the air
and like a shoddy sound stage

4688
04:25:03,429 --> 04:25:05,097
outside of phenix somewhere.

4689
04:25:05,098 --> 04:25:06,849
125 degrees.

4690
04:25:06,891 --> 04:25:09,018
Sweating profusely all the time.

4691
04:25:09,185 --> 04:25:12,646
Everyone just stinking to high heaven
looks like a bad carny ride.

4692
04:25:12,647 --> 04:25:17,318
And it's like going... jerking around,
you know, certain we were going to die.

4693
04:25:21,197 --> 04:25:23,574
The movie got shelved,
so it came out a full year later.

4694
04:25:23,616 --> 04:25:27,662
I'd written it off as having any success,
and then it just exploded.

4695
04:25:29,205 --> 04:25:31,832
When you're in a film that punctures
pop culture like that, there's

4696
04:25:31,833 --> 04:25:35,169
really no way to be prepared for it
because it is very surreal.

4697
04:25:35,211 --> 04:25:37,213
Party on, dudes!

4698
04:25:44,178 --> 04:25:46,888
I think the what if genre
is definitely a sci fi genre

4699
04:25:46,889 --> 04:25:51,602
and there is a sci fi veneer to anything
about bombs going off, like nuclear war.

4700
04:25:51,644 --> 04:25:55,106
It definitely falls into the
sci fi category, at least

4701
04:25:55,857 --> 04:25:57,899
until it happens.

4702
04:25:57,900 --> 04:25:59,902
Miracle mile

4703
04:25:59,944 --> 04:26:02,447
listen, I'm just a guy, who-who
picked up the phone.

4704
04:26:04,782 --> 04:26:06,283
It was a famous script.

4705
04:26:06,284 --> 04:26:09,494
Everybody's talked about this script.

4706
04:26:09,495 --> 04:26:13,207
It's an audacious movie made for,
I think, a 1.98 at night.

4707
04:26:13,541 --> 04:26:17,086
To me, it was like early Spielberg.

4708
04:26:17,128 --> 04:26:19,129
This can't be true.

4709
04:26:19,130 --> 04:26:20,298
It can't.

4710
04:26:20,339 --> 04:26:21,548
What would you do

4711
04:26:21,549 --> 04:26:26,012
if you were the only person to know
that you have 70 minutes to live?

4712
04:26:28,055 --> 04:26:29,139
The rube goldberg

4713
04:26:29,140 --> 04:26:32,602
thing in miracle mile
is that he decides to quit smoking,

4714
04:26:33,019 --> 04:26:36,063
so he throws his cigarette down
and a pigeon picks it up.

4715
04:26:36,564 --> 04:26:40,567
He lays down to take a nap
to meet his newfound love at midnight,

4716
04:26:40,568 --> 04:26:43,654
and the power goes off
in these three hours late.

4717
04:26:44,197 --> 04:26:46,198
You just missed her.

4718
04:26:46,199 --> 04:26:48,910
My alarm didn't go off. And the
power went out in the hotel.

4719
04:26:50,495 --> 04:26:52,329
This movie really starts going

4720
04:26:52,330 --> 04:26:54,373
when the phone rings.

4721
04:26:56,209 --> 04:26:58,210
What exactly are you
talking about?

4722
04:26:58,211 --> 04:27:01,005
I'm talking about nuclear
fucking war!

4723
04:27:01,047 --> 04:27:01,672
Who is this?

4724
04:27:01,714 --> 04:27:04,841
What would you do
if you accidentally got that phone call

4725
04:27:04,842 --> 04:27:09,430
and you just know that it's coming? By
getting people to really think about that

4726
04:27:09,555 --> 04:27:13,184
and reflect on it, it affects decision
making in the real world.

4727
04:27:14,685 --> 04:27:17,979
It's always walking that tightrope of
is this happening?

4728
04:27:17,980 --> 04:27:19,607
Am I crazy?

4729
04:27:19,649 --> 04:27:21,609
So he was calling from
a missile silo.

4730
04:27:21,651 --> 04:27:24,946
He said that they were
locked in! 50 minutes and counting.

4731
04:27:25,029 --> 04:27:27,490
The real time when the clock started

4732
04:27:27,865 --> 04:27:30,618
counting down, it's a fabulous convention.

4733
04:27:30,660 --> 04:27:32,620
Condoms! We won't
be needing these.

4734
04:27:32,662 --> 04:27:34,455
We got to repopulate
the whole planet.

4735
04:27:34,497 --> 04:27:35,456
The interesting thing

4736
04:27:35,457 --> 04:27:39,377
was the odd people in it
and the love story within it.

4737
04:27:39,418 --> 04:27:41,419
Trust me with this!

4738
04:27:41,420 --> 04:27:43,422
With what?

4739
04:27:43,464 --> 04:27:45,466
I love you.

4740
04:27:46,133 --> 04:27:50,595
By the end, it's sort of one of the
iconic images, this river of cars

4741
04:27:50,596 --> 04:27:52,723
and human chaos.

4742
04:27:55,226 --> 04:27:56,601
It was pretty crazy

4743
04:27:56,602 --> 04:28:00,273
for us to do that on this low budget.

4744
04:28:00,815 --> 04:28:03,317
I'm shot and fall, my face
falls, and I'm like, "great.

4745
04:28:03,359 --> 04:28:05,736
That's my hitchcockian cameo."

4746
04:28:07,863 --> 04:28:11,409
It was $3 million to make this movie,
which even in the '803,

4747
04:28:11,534 --> 04:28:13,828
I don't know how we did it.

4748
04:28:14,912 --> 04:28:17,415
You tell me now!
You joking, ha?!

4749
04:28:17,540 --> 04:28:20,710
I was in danger of being fired
every day of the shoot

4750
04:28:21,043 --> 04:28:24,171
because they said it was impossible to do.

4751
04:28:25,840 --> 04:28:28,301
Warner brothers offered a fortune.

4752
04:28:28,634 --> 04:28:33,013
They said if we thought about making
miracle mile as a single story twilight

4753
04:28:33,014 --> 04:28:34,014
zone.

4754
04:28:34,807 --> 04:28:38,561
The only change they wanted to make
was he woke up and it was all a dream

4755
04:28:38,894 --> 04:28:44,025
and then started happening again,
which would just not satisfy anybody.

4756
04:28:44,066 --> 04:28:47,737
It's total chaos! The fear,
it's total, absolute...

4757
04:28:47,903 --> 04:28:48,863
I didn't want to do

4758
04:28:48,864 --> 04:28:51,324
anything that gave you hope,
I hate to say it.

4759
04:28:51,907 --> 04:28:53,283
I wanted to shake people up.

4760
04:28:53,284 --> 04:28:56,995
I wanted to have them walk
out of the theater and go do something

4761
04:28:56,996 --> 04:28:58,914
about the issue.

4762
04:29:00,124 --> 04:29:02,334
It could happen more likely tonight

4763
04:29:02,335 --> 04:29:05,838
than back in '89.

4764
04:29:05,880 --> 04:29:08,841
Forget everything you
just heard and go back to sleep.

4765
04:29:21,520 --> 04:29:23,856
I got a huge kick out of honey,
I shrunk the kids.

4766
04:29:24,106 --> 04:29:28,319
What an absolutely silly idea
that I thought was really well handled.

4767
04:29:29,945 --> 04:29:32,614
You don't realize how terrifying
all the little things around

4768
04:29:32,615 --> 04:29:36,077
you can be until you're smaller
than everything.

4769
04:29:37,036 --> 04:29:38,662
Honey, I shrunk the kids is about

4770
04:29:38,663 --> 04:29:41,790
a scientist played by Rick moranis,
who accidentally shrinks his kids

4771
04:29:41,791 --> 04:29:45,627
and they have to traverse this backyard
in order to get back home and, you know,

4772
04:29:45,628 --> 04:29:49,507
fight all sorts of dangers in his backyard
now that they're this big.

4773
04:29:49,548 --> 04:29:51,549
I shrunk the kids.

4774
04:29:51,550 --> 04:29:53,552
What?

4775
04:29:53,594 --> 04:29:55,697
The Thompson kids too. They are
about this big, they're in the backyard.

4776
04:29:55,721 --> 04:29:57,138
- What?!
- Threw them out with the trash.

4777
04:29:57,139 --> 04:30:00,767
It's a dead lift on the Richard Matheson
story, the incredible shrinking man,

4778
04:30:00,768 --> 04:30:03,896
which was one of my favorite sci
fi movies when I was a kid.

4779
04:30:04,814 --> 04:30:06,606
Matheson was very ahead of his time.

4780
04:30:06,607 --> 04:30:08,609
There's allusions to that movie in it.

4781
04:30:08,776 --> 04:30:12,154
There are sequences where they're fighting
certain insects as an homage

4782
04:30:12,196 --> 04:30:15,116
to those movies of the past.

4783
04:30:16,367 --> 04:30:18,284
Honey, I shrunk the kids.

4784
04:30:18,285 --> 04:30:21,287
The movie was called teeny weenies
and gave me an opportunity

4785
04:30:21,288 --> 04:30:25,960
to work with my buddy Joe johnston
on his first theatrical feature film.

4786
04:30:26,669 --> 04:30:28,963
There was a big scorpion scene.

4787
04:30:31,173 --> 04:30:35,261
What we essentially did
was that, the fighting ant

4788
04:30:35,386 --> 04:30:38,681
and going after these children,
and the ant comes to the rescue.

4789
04:30:40,182 --> 04:30:43,935
Stop motion creatures,
you don't want camera moves to drive

4790
04:30:43,936 --> 04:30:47,148
the performance, we want the performance
to drive the camera.

4791
04:30:47,565 --> 04:30:50,818
And then there is another unit down
in Los Angeles

4792
04:30:50,985 --> 04:30:54,530
with Dave Allen that was doing
the other scenes with the ant.

4793
04:30:56,115 --> 04:30:58,200
One of the things about making
movies in the '803

4794
04:30:58,409 --> 04:31:00,827
that people today
don't necessarily understand

4795
04:31:00,828 --> 04:31:03,956
is how many different solutions to things
you had to find.

4796
04:31:04,039 --> 04:31:06,333
You couldn't just
throw it into a computer, and that's it.

4797
04:31:06,625 --> 04:31:09,878
You had to use force
perspective, miniatures and bigatures,

4798
04:31:09,879 --> 04:31:13,090
and sometimes in the single scene,
you might have a animatronic

4799
04:31:13,215 --> 04:31:16,677
and the kids are riding on
and then a close up that's just a head.

4800
04:31:16,802 --> 04:31:19,179
It's an entirely different prop.

4801
04:31:19,180 --> 04:31:21,473
And you had to really sort of
think about how you were going to do

4802
04:31:21,474 --> 04:31:24,935
every single shot in a movie
and come up with a different unique

4803
04:31:25,269 --> 04:31:26,604
solution.

4804
04:31:26,645 --> 04:31:28,522
Thanks for the lift, anty.

4805
04:31:28,564 --> 04:31:31,484
It has this esthetic
that is not quite realistic looking

4806
04:31:31,609 --> 04:31:34,611
in a lot of places,
but it 100% works for the movie

4807
04:31:34,612 --> 04:31:37,740
and the tone of the movie that they're
telling. These giant blades of grass

4808
04:31:37,990 --> 04:31:41,035
look exactly how they
should look for that movie.

4809
04:31:43,996 --> 04:31:44,872
The great thing about

4810
04:31:44,873 --> 04:31:46,998
knowing that a movie was done
practically is that you know

4811
04:31:46,999 --> 04:31:49,542
that at some point there was
actually a kid swimming around

4812
04:31:49,543 --> 04:31:53,047
in a giant bowl of milk
using a giant cheerio as a life preserver.

4813
04:31:53,088 --> 04:31:55,674
Help! Don't eat me!

4814
04:31:57,843 --> 04:31:59,010
Some of us feel like
the world was getting a little

4815
04:31:59,011 --> 04:32:02,389
too cynical for its own good,
a little too self-aware for its own good.

4816
04:32:02,431 --> 04:32:04,557
A movie like honey, I shrunk the
kids was just like, look, let's just go,

4817
04:32:04,558 --> 04:32:07,353
enjoy ourselves and enjoy the innocence
and sweetness of the world.

4818
04:32:08,938 --> 04:32:10,730
It's always got a place on my shelf

4819
04:32:10,731 --> 04:32:12,358
for that reason.

4820
04:32:12,399 --> 04:32:16,194
Nick! I've got six hours to get home,
get big, and get to the mall.

4821
04:32:16,195 --> 04:32:18,197
Now get moving!

4822
04:32:23,619 --> 04:32:25,621
I'm James Cameron

4823
04:32:25,663 --> 04:32:29,750
and I want to take you into
a world of cold darkness

4824
04:32:29,792 --> 04:32:31,794
and unrelenting pressue.

4825
04:32:32,044 --> 04:32:35,172
The abyss is a film
that's made on a frontier

4826
04:32:35,881 --> 04:32:38,300
in terms of the physicality of how

4827
04:32:38,342 --> 04:32:40,886
they made the film literally undennater

4828
04:32:41,595 --> 04:32:45,766
as a film made in a frontier of technology
and filmmaking ability

4829
04:32:46,141 --> 04:32:49,394
and a classic camera
and storytelling sense.

4830
04:32:49,395 --> 04:32:51,105
It's a mix of things.

4831
04:32:52,565 --> 04:32:54,566
It's a bottomless pit, baby.

4832
04:32:54,567 --> 04:32:56,569
Two and a half miles,
straight down.

4833
04:32:56,610 --> 04:32:57,735
Mary Elizabeth mastrantonio

4834
04:32:57,736 --> 04:33:01,198
and ed Harris, the two lead
characters, are an estranged couple.

4835
04:33:04,785 --> 04:33:06,619
Under extreme circumstances,

4836
04:33:06,620 --> 04:33:08,414
love flourishes.

4837
04:33:08,581 --> 04:33:10,583
You can do this.

4838
04:33:10,624 --> 04:33:12,333
It's a lovely inversion of aliens

4839
04:33:12,334 --> 04:33:15,503
in a way. The Navy seals
are the bad guys

4840
04:33:15,504 --> 04:33:17,548
and the aliens are the good guys.

4841
04:33:20,050 --> 04:33:22,760
Wouldn't you have liked the picture better
if they hadn't had the aliens down there

4842
04:33:22,761 --> 04:33:24,554
and just spent more time
with the rest of us

4843
04:33:24,555 --> 04:33:27,181
I just think they just put in another
element that was more fun.

4844
04:33:27,182 --> 04:33:28,684
It doesn't work for me.

4845
04:33:28,726 --> 04:33:30,686
Aliens was a cakewalk
compared to the abyss.

4846
04:33:32,021 --> 04:33:35,315
Jim Cameron, he doesn't suffer fools,
but the reason why

4847
04:33:35,316 --> 04:33:38,903
he's known as being a taskmaster
is because he's done the work

4848
04:33:39,069 --> 04:33:42,656
and he expects all of the crew
to work as hard as he is.

4849
04:33:43,824 --> 04:33:46,243
Crew members actually
had a t-shirt that said

4850
04:33:46,869 --> 04:33:49,121
life's abyss, and then you dive.

4851
04:33:50,456 --> 04:33:52,457
He was almost his ethos as a filmmaker.

4852
04:33:52,458 --> 04:33:54,000
I will make the impossible.

4853
04:33:54,001 --> 04:33:56,587
I will find a way of doing these things.

4854
04:33:57,963 --> 04:34:00,424
They shot it and these nuclear silos,

4855
04:34:00,799 --> 04:34:04,053
and gaffney filled it with water,
filled it with chlorine.

4856
04:34:05,262 --> 04:34:09,725
They had to put black beads across the top
of the tank to stop the light getting in,

4857
04:34:10,059 --> 04:34:13,020
but it allowed you to get out of the water
in case of emergencies.

4858
04:34:14,605 --> 04:34:18,316
It's dangerous filmmaking like that
you can get the bends just in the olympic

4859
04:34:18,317 --> 04:34:21,278
swimming pool or at 18 feet deep
if you jump up too quick.

4860
04:34:22,154 --> 04:34:27,785
They had to take their time at the end
of the day to safely get out of that set.

4861
04:34:27,826 --> 04:34:29,827
- Bud.
- Relax now, bud.

4862
04:34:29,828 --> 04:34:31,664
Watch me.

4863
04:34:31,705 --> 04:34:32,997
That sequence where

4864
04:34:32,998 --> 04:34:35,833
they had to basically breathe in water.

4865
04:34:35,834 --> 04:34:38,837
I was like that when I saw them, I just
I couldn't believe it.

4866
04:34:39,797 --> 04:34:42,132
And he had breathed the liquid oxygen,
that's fake.

4867
04:34:42,383 --> 04:34:44,927
So he has to hold his breath.

4868
04:34:44,969 --> 04:34:47,689
We all breathed liquid for nine
months, bud. Your body will remember.

4869
04:34:49,431 --> 04:34:53,310
A Navy seal demonstrates
you can breathe liquid oxygen,

4870
04:34:53,602 --> 04:34:57,106
and that is a real demonstration
of the effect, the experiment.

4871
04:34:57,398 --> 04:34:59,900
There were five rats, five takes.

4872
04:35:00,067 --> 04:35:02,069
The fifth rat struggled.

4873
04:35:02,903 --> 04:35:05,698
Cameron had to give it cpr.

4874
04:35:05,739 --> 04:35:07,241
- See? He's fine.
- It's a she.

4875
04:35:07,282 --> 04:35:08,574
But the endurance test

4876
04:35:08,575 --> 04:35:12,788
for the filmmakers
and for the cast was beyond difficult.

4877
04:35:12,997 --> 04:35:17,291
Everyone had experiences on it,
which will kind of make or break moments.

4878
04:35:17,292 --> 04:35:20,461
They had safety divers,
they called angels.

4879
04:35:20,462 --> 04:35:22,857
Okay, that was a good take Edward. I
want to print that, but let's do it again.

4880
04:35:22,881 --> 04:35:25,008
Ed Harris, a tough guy.

4881
04:35:25,009 --> 04:35:27,969
He had to swim under water
for about 40 meters,

4882
04:35:27,970 --> 04:35:31,432
and there are scenes where he just at the
brink of not being able to breathe anymore.

4883
04:35:34,727 --> 04:35:35,602
Cameron himself has

4884
04:35:35,603 --> 04:35:38,443
an incredible story because people forget
he would just stay undennater.

4885
04:35:38,647 --> 04:35:41,668
He had wights and everything. He could
keep himself at the bottom of the tank.

4886
04:35:41,692 --> 04:35:44,111
And Cameron pulls on his oxygen mask.

4887
04:35:44,528 --> 04:35:46,822
Nothing. And he goes, I'm in trouble.

4888
04:35:47,281 --> 04:35:49,908
And that's when a safety diver
thinks he's in distress

4889
04:35:50,284 --> 04:35:53,287
because he is
and comes out with a respirator

4890
04:35:53,787 --> 04:35:56,999
and puts the respirator in Ron,
pulls water

4891
04:35:57,249 --> 04:35:59,418
straight into his lungs,

4892
04:36:00,252 --> 04:36:03,338
and he starts to push away
because he's going to drown.

4893
04:36:04,214 --> 04:36:05,339
And the guy holds him closer

4894
04:36:05,340 --> 04:36:08,719
because he thinks he's struggling
because he's lack of oxygen.

4895
04:36:09,303 --> 04:36:11,513
And the story is Cameron punches him.

4896
04:36:11,555 --> 04:36:12,222
The only thing

4897
04:36:12,223 --> 04:36:16,268
last thing he can do is punch the guy
and break through into the surface.

4898
04:36:16,560 --> 04:36:20,230
His assistant and the safety diver
were fired on the same day,

4899
04:36:21,273 --> 04:36:23,433
and he was back down the boat
in the tank within hours.

4900
04:36:23,650 --> 04:36:25,151
That's James Cameron for you.

4901
04:36:25,152 --> 04:36:28,489
That's the abyss for you.

4902
04:36:40,209 --> 04:36:42,211
What the hell is going on?

4903
04:36:43,796 --> 04:36:45,046
Back to the future ii picks up

4904
04:36:45,047 --> 04:36:48,592
exactly where the last film left off.

4905
04:36:50,177 --> 04:36:51,761
And then we go to the far off

4906
04:36:51,762 --> 04:36:55,099
future of the year 2015.

4907
04:36:57,101 --> 04:36:59,103
The future. Unbelievable.

4908
04:36:59,144 --> 04:37:00,436
We are big believers

4909
04:37:00,437 --> 04:37:03,023
in the set it up, pay it off.

4910
04:37:03,482 --> 04:37:06,985
We thought to ourselves, hill
valley needs to be recognizable.

4911
04:37:07,069 --> 04:37:12,866
It's recognizable from 1955 to 1985
and in 1985 to 2015.

4912
04:37:13,075 --> 04:37:16,327
It has to be recognizable as well.

4913
04:37:16,328 --> 04:37:18,747
The great splendor of back to the future

4914
04:37:19,039 --> 04:37:24,211
really is its ethos is 1950,
when in terms of science fiction,

4915
04:37:24,461 --> 04:37:26,295
the dream was a flying car

4916
04:37:26,296 --> 04:37:28,691
and the cities of the future
and that's where back to the future

4917
04:37:28,715 --> 04:37:33,846
part ii comes in, is that it's just jokes
about 1950's idealization of the future

4918
04:37:37,391 --> 04:37:39,977
and all of those kind
of consumerist ideas,

4919
04:37:40,144 --> 04:37:43,437
wonderful kind of humaristic things.

4920
04:37:43,438 --> 04:37:47,651
We thought about how does the world change.
You recognize a time period

4921
04:37:47,943 --> 04:37:51,405
on a pop culture level
based on what new products look like.

4922
04:37:51,446 --> 04:37:53,407
Is it ready?

4923
04:37:53,699 --> 04:37:57,786
We were very cognizant
about choosing brands

4924
04:37:58,120 --> 04:38:00,831
that would give us a change in period.

4925
04:38:00,873 --> 04:38:02,875
All I want is a Pepsi.

4926
04:38:04,168 --> 04:38:07,171
That's what's going to make
people feel comfortable

4927
04:38:07,379 --> 04:38:09,381
that this is where we are.

4928
04:38:09,423 --> 04:38:11,425
Drying mode on.

4929
04:38:13,010 --> 04:38:13,427
Even though

4930
04:38:13,428 --> 04:38:17,139
2015, as depicted in back to the future
I! Didn't quite pan out

4931
04:38:17,264 --> 04:38:20,391
in reality, we all still want
a hoverboard and

4932
04:38:20,392 --> 04:38:23,854
I still want a pair of those self-lacing
Nike tennis shoes.

4933
04:38:25,439 --> 04:38:28,442
We didn't get 19 jaws movies.

4934
04:38:30,986 --> 04:38:34,614
They forecast our obsession
with the '803,

4935
04:38:34,615 --> 04:38:37,159
so they were on point with that.

4936
04:38:39,369 --> 04:38:41,663
There's a whole like genetic line of this

4937
04:38:41,705 --> 04:38:42,705
really,

4938
04:38:43,332 --> 04:38:44,041
really

4939
04:38:44,042 --> 04:38:48,127
good writing as far as a villain
that just carries all the things

4940
04:38:48,128 --> 04:38:50,505
that really trigger us
and push our buttons.

4941
04:38:50,547 --> 04:38:53,634
What's wrong with mcfly?
Chicken?

4942
04:38:57,638 --> 04:38:59,473
We all know a biff.

4943
04:39:02,309 --> 04:39:04,311
Go get it!

4944
04:39:04,353 --> 04:39:05,853
Back to the future ii gets

4945
04:39:05,854 --> 04:39:08,523
real dark, real fast.

4946
04:39:08,565 --> 04:39:11,735
Somewhere in the past, the timeline
skewed into this this tangent

4947
04:39:11,777 --> 04:39:13,779
creating an alternate 1985.

4948
04:39:15,280 --> 04:39:16,697
Time paradoxes, man.

4949
04:39:16,698 --> 04:39:18,742
You don't know what's going to happen.

4950
04:39:18,784 --> 04:39:20,786
Third time's the charm.

4951
04:39:25,123 --> 04:39:27,124
The way that you see
characters have changed

4952
04:39:27,125 --> 04:39:31,213
as a result of this new timeline
and these new actions that have happened.

4953
04:39:31,505 --> 04:39:33,715
You're very much in Marty's shoes of like

4954
04:39:33,757 --> 04:39:35,883
this is not the way
the world is supposed to be.

4955
04:39:35,884 --> 04:39:38,011
And how did it get this way
and how do I fix it?

4956
04:39:38,220 --> 04:39:41,847
Doc, what if we don't succeed?

4957
04:39:41,848 --> 04:39:43,850
We must succeed!

4958
04:39:45,352 --> 04:39:45,978
The cool thing

4959
04:39:45,979 --> 04:39:50,147
about back to the future ii
is where they go back in time again

4960
04:39:50,148 --> 04:39:53,234
to the events of the first movie,
and you now have this second Marty

4961
04:39:53,235 --> 04:39:56,113
running around
witnessing the events of the first movie

4962
04:39:56,446 --> 04:40:00,450
and you get the sense that that was always
happening behind the scenes

4963
04:40:00,742 --> 04:40:02,327
while the first movie was going on.

4964
04:40:06,248 --> 04:40:08,124
As a time travel junkie,

4965
04:40:08,125 --> 04:40:10,668
the idea of reinserting yourself
back into another set of events

4966
04:40:10,669 --> 04:40:14,381
that you've already gone through once
it just cracks me up.

4967
04:40:16,174 --> 04:40:18,092
This '80s nostalgia

4968
04:40:18,093 --> 04:40:22,054
that existed in these sort of future 2015,
which was obviously meant to mimic

4969
04:40:22,055 --> 04:40:25,017
the 1950s nostalgia
that people had in the 1980s.

4970
04:40:25,142 --> 04:40:27,894
But when you're in the 19803,
you don't think of that that way

4971
04:40:28,103 --> 04:40:31,857
to see that come true,
to have lived long enough to see what

4972
04:40:32,024 --> 04:40:35,609
I grew up and
become this nostalgia thing.

4973
04:40:35,610 --> 04:40:35,861
I don't know.

4974
04:40:35,862 --> 04:40:38,070
In one sense,
it makes me feel a little old,

4975
04:40:38,071 --> 04:40:41,741
but it is also a thing
that was very prescient about

4976
04:40:41,742 --> 04:40:42,993
back to the future ii.

4977
04:40:43,035 --> 04:40:45,036
We have a quaint little piece
from the 19803.

4978
04:40:45,037 --> 04:40:47,039
It's called the dustbuster.

4979
04:40:53,628 --> 04:40:57,799
Science fiction, certainly
the best of science fiction is inevitably

4980
04:40:57,966 --> 04:41:02,554
a reflection of what's going on on earth
at the time it was written,

4981
04:41:03,180 --> 04:41:07,976
all works of art are ineluctable products
of the time in which they are created.

4982
04:41:09,936 --> 04:41:12,605
This isn't about space.

4983
04:41:12,606 --> 04:41:14,816
This isn't about deep water.

4984
04:41:14,858 --> 04:41:17,444
This isn't about another dimension.

4985
04:41:19,696 --> 04:41:21,447
This is about us.

4986
04:41:21,448 --> 04:41:25,451
It's really up to the audience
to decide what they want

4987
04:41:25,452 --> 04:41:28,455
out of the experience.

4988
04:41:29,706 --> 04:41:32,000
Science fiction allowed people

4989
04:41:32,209 --> 04:41:35,921
to tell stories and talk about extremely

4990
04:41:36,296 --> 04:41:39,925
important social issues

4991
04:41:40,467 --> 04:41:44,095
in ways that got people thinking,
maybe without them realizing

4992
04:41:44,096 --> 04:41:45,346
they were thinking about it.

4993
04:41:45,347 --> 04:41:47,306
We have a hard time
talking about this directly,

4994
04:41:47,307 --> 04:41:50,393
but if I tell you this story about people
who are half painted white

4995
04:41:50,394 --> 04:41:52,186
and half painted black,
hating the other people

4996
04:41:52,187 --> 04:41:54,355
who are half painted
black and half painted white.

4997
04:41:54,356 --> 04:41:58,485
The idea of racism,
we see how silly and dumb it is

4998
04:41:58,902 --> 04:42:01,738
when you sort of see it reflected
in a different set of cultural norms

4999
04:42:01,947 --> 04:42:05,659
hits you in a way
that you can't see without the metaphor.

5000
04:42:06,952 --> 04:42:10,122
Escaping when you're a little kid
or teenager

5001
04:42:10,247 --> 04:42:14,750
into the world of science
fiction is a great way to start

5002
04:42:14,751 --> 04:42:15,502
to come to terms

5003
04:42:15,503 --> 04:42:18,797
with your own personality, who you are,
where you fit in the world,

5004
04:42:19,005 --> 04:42:24,845
and they become really important
benchmarks in how you remember your youth.

5005
04:42:25,011 --> 04:42:28,140
So there's something I think that's
universal about that in terms of age.

5006
04:42:29,182 --> 04:42:31,351
A lot of these movies

5007
04:42:31,726 --> 04:42:34,520
cater to a young audience

5008
04:42:34,521 --> 04:42:38,525
that perhaps was in a real
transition in their lives.

5009
04:42:38,859 --> 04:42:42,446
And these are times in your lives
that you never forget.

5010
04:42:42,946 --> 04:42:48,160
A3 simple as these movies appear to be,
especially by today's standards,

5011
04:42:48,368 --> 04:42:54,207
there's a magic to them because of their
relateability and their intimacy.

5012
04:42:54,249 --> 04:42:58,294
It belongs to the person that it made an
imprint on, and that's the wonderful thing

5013
04:42:58,295 --> 04:43:01,338
about stories. You tell it
so that somebody else

5014
04:43:01,339 --> 04:43:04,718
can relate to it because you related to
and that's why you wanted to tell it.

5015
04:43:05,051 --> 04:43:07,929
There's something about being able to have

5016
04:43:07,971 --> 04:43:10,807
your favorite movie
and your favorite moment

5017
04:43:11,349 --> 04:43:15,896
and have it with you and watch
it as many times as you want.

5018
04:43:16,313 --> 04:43:18,230
And it became this tradition.

5019
04:43:18,231 --> 04:43:21,818
We could go rent a movie
and we could sit down with our family.

5020
04:43:22,652 --> 04:43:27,323
It was about where we were and who we were
with at the time, and we all wish

5021
04:43:27,324 --> 04:43:31,828
we could be back there in some way
doing that with those people at that time.

5022
04:43:32,078 --> 04:43:35,123
Everybody likes to remember good times.

5023
04:43:35,415 --> 04:43:37,876
Some of these movies
remind us of the good times.

5024
04:43:37,918 --> 04:43:40,879
By the way, why are we
wearing bras on our heads?

5025
04:43:41,213 --> 04:43:43,465
I think that nostalgia connects us

5026
04:43:43,507 --> 04:43:48,093
not only with an innocent part of
ourselves, but also with our imagination,

5027
04:43:48,094 --> 04:43:51,389
because as we get older,
we kind of lose that imagination.

5028
04:43:51,431 --> 04:43:55,143
Everybody has it, but it starts to
get tarnished as we get older.

5029
04:43:57,812 --> 04:43:59,730
These movies endure

5030
04:43:59,731 --> 04:44:03,151
because it's a part of us
we don't want to lose.

5031
04:44:04,486 --> 04:44:07,696
As you get older,
you want to relive those moments

5032
04:44:07,697 --> 04:44:10,366
that meant so much to you as a kid.

5033
04:44:10,367 --> 04:44:13,787
You don't want them to go away because
they're actually part of who you are.

5034
04:44:13,870 --> 04:44:17,206
I think that what you've got as artists
and filmmakers

5035
04:44:17,207 --> 04:44:20,335
are a lot of adults who are still kid3.

5036
04:44:20,961 --> 04:44:22,963
They're capable
of working in an adult world,

5037
04:44:23,505 --> 04:44:26,841
but they feel like a child
and want to express that.

5038
04:44:28,468 --> 04:44:29,261
There's something that

5039
04:44:29,262 --> 04:44:32,430
keeps these directors
making these phenomena! Films.

5040
04:44:32,556 --> 04:44:34,306
They're affecting you
in some emotional way,

5041
04:44:34,307 --> 04:44:38,227
and they're feeling that emotion
when they're making it.

5042
04:44:38,228 --> 04:44:42,148
And I'm really glad there's people around
that are listening to their inner selves.

5043
04:44:42,774 --> 04:44:45,360
Art is the one thing that looks

5044
04:44:45,652 --> 04:44:49,030
beyond the reality that we know around us

5045
04:44:49,072 --> 04:44:52,075
and it shows us what's possible

5046
04:44:52,826 --> 04:44:55,452
and it's most noble. Art shows us

5047
04:44:55,453 --> 04:44:58,039
what can be and what ought to be.

5048
04:44:58,665 --> 04:45:03,295
That is what science
fiction at its best is all about.

5049
04:45:04,296 --> 04:45:07,048
Is showing us the world of tomorrow

5050
04:45:07,799 --> 04:45:10,677
and how human life can be better

5051
04:45:11,136 --> 04:45:14,514
in the future than it is right now.

5052
04:45:15,348 --> 04:45:17,350
That's the magic of sci fi, man.