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[intense music playing]

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[crickets chirping]

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[Belinda] We were coming out of the house.

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This is gonna be my car in the driveway.

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And then the Ford Expedition drove past…

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[rap music playing inside the car]

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[Belinda] And you could just see
every seat was filled.

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Crystal, Juan, and my son Justin

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were getting in the car.

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[Justin] Get in the car, she popped
the seat forward. I was like,

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"Scoot over.
We're not hitting no main streets."

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"We're going three, four blocks up
the road to 7-Eleven. Scoot over, sis."

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And, uh…

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We didn't even make it past
the end of the street.

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I get right up here.

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I look over,

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and he's standing there,

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right by the stop sign.

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And the white Ford Expedition
turns all the way around,

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and he comes sliding back in,
and he stops right here.

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[engine revving]

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[Belinda] I race this way,

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and I stop to see
what's going on with the kids.

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[Justin] As we came around I look over,
there's a guy with a hooded sweater

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with a gun, probably
a foot and a half away from me.

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[gun cocks]

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[Belinda] I see the gun.

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And he was moving his mouth, like,
trying to work his way up to it.

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Bang, bang, bang.

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[gun firing]

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-[tires screeching]
-[glass shattering]

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[Belinda] And all the explosions,
and the glass, the tires screeching.

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[tires screeching]

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[man speaking via radio]

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[dispatcher] We're getting several calls,
more than four shots heard…

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[man] The shots were fired, and, uh…

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-[dispatcher] They shot at you?
-[Belinda] They were shooting at me.

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I just ducked down in the seat thinking,
"Oh, my God."

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I don't even know if they hit the car.

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I looked over at my sister
and she was just, like, motionless.

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-[dispatcher] What's the problem?
-[woman] The car came just barreling in.

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-It's a Honda Accord. And they came up--
-[dispatcher] What color Honda?

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[woman continues talking indistinctly]

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[tires screeching]

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[Justin] We made it
to right in front of a grocery store,

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right in front of the doors.

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I got out of the car, and I picked her up,
and I'm sitting there holding her.

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[woman] Someone's been shot
that's on the floor.

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It seems like she's not responding.

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Address is…

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And I felt her head, and…

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[dispatcher] RP's going to be responding.
It looks like we have a victim.

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[officer] Patrol, what's your twenty…?

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[Justin] God says,
"Ask and you shall receive."

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I did.

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So where was he? He also says
everything is according to his plan.

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What kind of fucked-up plan is that?

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Where's the loving God in my life?

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[voice breaks] And I don't get it.

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I just want to know why, you know? Why?

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[crickets chirping]

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[Jaimie] It was midnight, and my grandma
was in the living room crying.

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And they said, "Crystal's been shot."

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I said, "Crystal's been shot?" They said,
"Crystal's been shot in the head."

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[somber music playing]

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The first memory of Crystal I have,

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she liked to play baby dolls with me,

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and she would always ask me questions.

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"Oh, Jaimie,
did Annabelle get her bottle?"

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She would make, like…

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She would make my playtime fun.

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And, uh, she really did.
She opened my imagination.

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[voice breaks] She made sure
that I knew that nothing's impossible.

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Everything is possible.

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[Jaimie] And I went on MySpace.

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[Jaimie] Tonight,
a horrible tragedy has happened.

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I blogged about that.
That's how I got my emotions out.

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I didn't cry at home.

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[keyboard clacking]

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[Jaimie] I just typed.

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I just let my fingers go and…

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type away.

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The very last sentence:

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"Crystal, please be okay.
I love you more than life itself."

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[heart monitor beeping]

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[sniffles]

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[heart monitor flatline beeping]

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She didn't wake up.

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[sniffles]

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[crickets chirping]

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[Belinda] I remember her being here and,

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just expect her to…

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walk through the door again.

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It's not going to happen.

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[people speaking indistinctly]

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[indistinct chatter]

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[Belinda] When we think of our family
and the good times, it's like,

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there's a line drawn.

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Before Crystal and after Crystal.

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She… She was just my pride and joy.
I wanted a daughter so bad.

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Had three sons.

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And so the fourth one it was like,
"Yay, got my little girl."

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She was my sunshine.

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She was my life. My life. Yeah.

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She would do anything.

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She loved heights and roller coasters,
and she was so lucky at the casino.

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She went to a machine
and put five dollars in it,

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and won $38,000.

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And started an air-conditioning
heating business with her husband.

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They just took off with it.

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And then her husband fell back
to drug use and the violence.

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And so Crystal left him
and was back with us.

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Yeah.

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Just so many memories.
God, just so many memories.

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A lot of good memories too,
but that one night,

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that's all it takes.

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[atmospheric music playing]

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[man] Yeah, same tattoo on the neck.

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[Rick] We have a picture of a grim reaper
that sits on the desk

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of the person who's next up.

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It's like death is always
kind of waiting,

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and when you're at the top
of the list, that's your case.

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You have no idea
what you're going to catch.

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And it was my turn.

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[police siren wailing]

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[Rick] We've got a shooting
over on the west end of the city,

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so I get dressed, kiss my wife, drive in,
and then your brain starts running.

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My first murder case was a gang shooting.

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Those are always extremely difficult.

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That one case, unfortunately,
remains open right now.

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There's still a guy out there that's
gotten away with the ultimate crime.

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I still think about it.

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Uh, my second one
was the Crystal Theobald case.

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I mean, I can't let two go.
There's just no way that two are gonna go,

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but it started off pretty rocky.

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They had multiple casings at the scene,

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right at the intersection
of Greenpoint and Geranium.

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[shutter clicking]

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[Rick] They had what might've been
a shoe involved in it,

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so they identified that for us.

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But I get a chance to see
where evidence items are,

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photographs and measuring
of evidence, video.

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I'm… My brain was flooded,
especially being new in the unit.

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It's almost like overload.

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[shutter clicking]

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[shutter clicking]

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[knocking]

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[cop] Riverside Police Department.

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They had witness statements.
Gone door-to-door.

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We do what we call a canvass.

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[knocking]

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-[cop] You didn't hear any gunshots?
-[woman] We were inside tonight.

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[cop] You didn't hear anything
or see anything?

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-[man 1] I wasn't here.
-[man 2] No, I was asleep.

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[cop] You were asleep?

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Anyone that might have either
ear or eyeshot of the incident.

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[cop] You didn't hear any gunshots?

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[man 3] No. My wife said she heard,
you know, several pops, yeah.

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[cop] She didn't see anything?

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There were a couple of detectives
who were at the hospital.

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They're trying to talk to the family,

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but they're not being cooperative
with the detectives.

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I didn't like them.
I didn't like them. Didn't…

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Didn't like them one bit and…
you know, so…

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She wasn't exactly trusting of me.
She didn't know who I was, and--

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I didn't call the police to help me
if I had an issue.

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I didn't. It wasn't the police I called.

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They were coming at my family
like we were the ones that did it.

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Threatening and telling my boys,
"I'll lock you up."

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"You know, if we catch wind of…"
You know,  that made me upset.

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They put me in handcuffs
and throw me in the back of a cop car

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and interrogate me for hours.

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And I didn't get it, didn't understand.

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[Ben] Took the detectives
and I told them, I said,

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"My family had nothing to do with this."

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You want them to know
I'm doing everything I can to help.

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That's all I'm here for.

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Whatever you got going on, unless
it's pertinent to my case, I don't care.

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I'm here to try and solve
this homicide for you and your family,

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and to put somebody
who killed Crystal away.

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So then, you know, we opened up
a little more, but…

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[Rick] There's a lot of rumors running
around as to what might've happened.

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What are you thinking is…?

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[Belinda] I'm thinking there's been a lot
of gang problems with that, uh, 5150.

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[Rick] This is what we call the West End.

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This kind of loop is where the actual
shooting took place,

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but even more so
where 5150 claim territory.

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Shouts out to Marlow.

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[Rick] But there were also
multiple other gangs, Black, Hispanic,

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who laid claim to the same area.

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So there's turf wars, and guys
that see each other. There'll be conflict.

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[reporter] Rival Latino and Black gangs
involved in drug trafficking…

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[Rick] 5150 kind of came into existence
for us in Riverside

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around 2003, give or take.

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They tried to establish themselves
and made some inroads

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into being a particularly violent
and confrontational gang,

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graduating to assaults, to shootings,
to then, uh, murdering three people

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within the city in the course
of two and a half to three years.

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It was a very quick evolution.

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[eerie music playing]

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[Mario] We're in Riverside now.

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All kinds of shootings, and every night
people will get stabbed, robbed.

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As soon as people heard 5150,
like, they got scared.

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You know, they said
we were murderers. We're killers.

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Never once did I ever think
that society would look at us like that.

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Originally Riverside was, uh…
It was kind of like an outcast from L.A.

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All the people that couldn't afford
to live in L.A. or in Orange County,

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they came out to Riverside.

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So a lot of, I would say poor people.

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I don't think we ever even went to,
like, the beach or Disneyland.

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Nothing like that ever.

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We never experienced anything
outside of, like, that area.

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So we thought that that was life.

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Fifty-one, fifty, it was like me
and my cousins or family members

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backing each other up.
That was the whole motive.

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Like, we're family. That was it.

245
00:13:51,831 --> 00:13:53,165
We would all be out here.

246
00:13:54,708 --> 00:13:56,126
Nothing really happening.

247
00:13:57,586 --> 00:14:00,297
We were all under 18 years old, you know.

248
00:14:00,381 --> 00:14:02,299
When we were kids, uh,

249
00:14:02,383 --> 00:14:04,009
you know, everybody targeted us.

250
00:14:04,093 --> 00:14:05,928
[Rick]
Give me a full description of this--

251
00:14:06,011 --> 00:14:09,056
[Belinda] He was young.
He was young. He was a kid.

252
00:14:09,139 --> 00:14:12,226
-But if I see him, I will know him.
-[Rick] Okay.

253
00:14:12,309 --> 00:14:16,480
[Belinda] Then there was more interviews
and looking at pictures.

254
00:14:16,564 --> 00:14:19,984
[Rick] This particular binder has got
all the different gang members.

255
00:14:20,067 --> 00:14:23,153
And it kind of helps me to keep track
of who's who in the zoo.

256
00:14:23,821 --> 00:14:27,533
I do remember Belinda telling me
the shooter had been a really young,

257
00:14:27,616 --> 00:14:31,328
almost white-looking Hispanic guy,
like a real baby face.

258
00:14:31,412 --> 00:14:34,540
She saw his face, and she'd absolutely
be able to identify him.

259
00:14:34,623 --> 00:14:35,875
Wouldn't be a problem.

260
00:14:35,958 --> 00:14:41,839
This is the sketch that was drawn based
off the information provided by Belinda.

261
00:14:42,715 --> 00:14:45,509
I looked through annuals, yearbooks,

262
00:14:45,593 --> 00:14:48,512
looking for people who are gang members

263
00:14:48,596 --> 00:14:50,472
and have a current picture I can look at.

264
00:14:53,684 --> 00:14:57,104
I'm talking with Belinda, I say,
"I got pictures I want you to look at."

265
00:14:58,314 --> 00:15:00,399
She starts going through the pictures.

266
00:15:00,482 --> 00:15:01,984
And she gets to a young kid.

267
00:15:03,027 --> 00:15:04,194
And she stops

268
00:15:04,904 --> 00:15:06,655
and says, "That's him."

269
00:15:14,914 --> 00:15:15,915
[shutter clicking]

270
00:15:17,166 --> 00:15:20,461
One day Detective Wheeler called
and said that, uh,

271
00:15:21,712 --> 00:15:24,715
they have somebody
they think might be involved in it,

272
00:15:25,382 --> 00:15:28,302
and if they could drive me down there
to get a look at him.

273
00:15:28,385 --> 00:15:29,303
[shutter clicking]

274
00:15:29,386 --> 00:15:31,972
And she IDs him.
"That's him. That's the guy."

275
00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:34,308
[door opens]

276
00:15:35,851 --> 00:15:37,311
[Rick] You doing okay, dude?

277
00:15:38,187 --> 00:15:40,940
We start pressing him on this case
and ask him where he was,

278
00:15:41,023 --> 00:15:45,569
and he's given us a particular alibi
as to where he was, who he was with.

279
00:15:45,653 --> 00:15:46,904
[suspect] I wasn't there.

280
00:15:48,197 --> 00:15:51,867
[Rick] I know that you were, though.
I got somebody who identified you.

281
00:15:52,576 --> 00:15:54,578
I'm telling him,
"We're gonna check this out."

282
00:15:54,662 --> 00:15:57,122
"Don't lie.
I'll find out if you're lying to me."

283
00:15:57,206 --> 00:16:02,002
We were at my house, and then we went
to his brother's girlfriend's house.

284
00:16:02,127 --> 00:16:03,629
[Ricky] He's saying, "I wasn't there."

285
00:16:03,712 --> 00:16:07,299
"I was over at a friend's house.
I was with a friend. You can call them."

286
00:16:07,383 --> 00:16:10,135
"You can check with them."
I get a couple of my partners

287
00:16:10,219 --> 00:16:13,681
to go over and verify his alibi.

288
00:16:14,473 --> 00:16:15,516
And it's solid.

289
00:16:15,599 --> 00:16:18,143
[suspect crying] Please!

290
00:16:18,978 --> 00:16:20,980
[sobbing]

291
00:16:21,105 --> 00:16:25,609
Let me go home! [crying]
Let me go gome.

292
00:16:25,693 --> 00:16:29,029
[Rick] So now I'm starting to think,
"Uh-oh, I got a bad ID here?"

293
00:16:29,655 --> 00:16:31,031
"That's not a good start."

294
00:16:31,824 --> 00:16:33,492
And we ended up sending him home.

295
00:16:34,368 --> 00:16:37,371
They really didn't explain things to me
well enough,

296
00:16:37,454 --> 00:16:40,708
like you make one mistake and

297
00:16:40,791 --> 00:16:43,293
identify somebody that's not involved,

298
00:16:43,919 --> 00:16:46,672
they can no longer use
what you have to say

299
00:16:46,755 --> 00:16:48,173
when it comes to court.

300
00:16:49,925 --> 00:16:53,220
So that complicated the case
for the detective.

301
00:16:54,805 --> 00:16:57,558
You start off with a case very optimistic.

302
00:16:57,641 --> 00:16:59,768
We'll handle this. This is gonna get done.

303
00:17:00,894 --> 00:17:03,856
Then you reach a point to where
there aren't any more leads,

304
00:17:03,939 --> 00:17:07,026
and… and now it's almost
a war of attrition.

305
00:17:09,695 --> 00:17:11,155
[Belinda] And I promised her.

306
00:17:11,864 --> 00:17:14,575
It was the last thing I got to say to her,

307
00:17:14,658 --> 00:17:15,868
besides "I love you."

308
00:17:17,286 --> 00:17:19,455
I promised her that I was gonna get him

309
00:17:20,039 --> 00:17:23,042
if it's the last thing I do.
I'm gonna get him. They're gonna pay.

310
00:17:31,508 --> 00:17:33,969
[somber music playing]

311
00:17:38,015 --> 00:17:40,017
-[chimes]
-[mouse clicking]

312
00:17:40,100 --> 00:17:41,477
[keyboard clacking]

313
00:17:44,480 --> 00:17:46,440
[keyboard clacking]

314
00:17:54,615 --> 00:17:55,532
[chimes]

315
00:17:58,243 --> 00:17:59,078
[mouse clicks]

316
00:18:01,371 --> 00:18:02,206
[chimes]

317
00:18:04,917 --> 00:18:08,712
[Jaimie] I guess I was, uh,
talking to Nick on MySpace,

318
00:18:08,796 --> 00:18:11,298
and he had told me how the guys,

319
00:18:11,381 --> 00:18:14,218
the people involved, had MySpace.

320
00:18:15,260 --> 00:18:16,970
He said, "They all have profiles."

321
00:18:19,765 --> 00:18:20,808
[chimes]

322
00:18:21,975 --> 00:18:25,062
[Nick] I pretty much, like,
knew it was 5150 already.

323
00:18:25,145 --> 00:18:27,940
You know the streets talk,
like, you just hear stuff.

324
00:18:28,023 --> 00:18:30,651
I mean, little by little you find out.

325
00:18:31,860 --> 00:18:34,530
I was young.
I was just a kid when she passed away.

326
00:18:34,613 --> 00:18:37,866
I was maybe 13 years old,
so at that time when that happened,

327
00:18:37,950 --> 00:18:39,618
I didn't really know about gangs.

328
00:18:43,455 --> 00:18:45,582
[Jaimie] I talked to Aunt Belinda. I said,

329
00:18:45,666 --> 00:18:48,252
"MySpace. I can go on there.
I can search for you."

330
00:18:48,335 --> 00:18:49,628
"Get information for you."

331
00:18:51,380 --> 00:18:54,341
[Belinda]
I knew nothing about the social media.

332
00:18:54,424 --> 00:18:56,760
I wasn't on the MySpace.

333
00:18:56,844 --> 00:19:00,722
She said, "How do you do it?"
I said, "I can do it all. Don't worry."

334
00:19:02,891 --> 00:19:04,560
I was 14.

335
00:19:05,102 --> 00:19:06,520
About to turn 15.

336
00:19:06,603 --> 00:19:08,355
[Lauer] If you've got a teenager at home,

337
00:19:08,438 --> 00:19:10,774
chances are that he or she spends
a lot of time

338
00:19:10,858 --> 00:19:14,278
on the social networking website
called MySpace.com.

339
00:19:14,361 --> 00:19:16,947
I knew everything about it.
The ins and outs.

340
00:19:17,030 --> 00:19:20,909
How to make it look like this,
how to make this pop up in your text,

341
00:19:20,993 --> 00:19:22,911
how to make colored text, everything.

342
00:19:22,995 --> 00:19:25,789
[reporter]
With 66 million users nationwide,

343
00:19:25,873 --> 00:19:29,877
MySpace is one of the most popular
networking sites used by kids.

344
00:19:29,960 --> 00:19:32,087
Most of the kids at my school use MySpace.

345
00:19:32,171 --> 00:19:34,131
You put pictures up. Meet girls, guys.

346
00:19:34,214 --> 00:19:36,884
It was brand-new, popular.
Everyone wanted to be on it.

347
00:19:36,967 --> 00:19:38,135
I was obsessed with it.

348
00:19:39,469 --> 00:19:41,805
I was excited.
You want to give me this chance?

349
00:19:41,889 --> 00:19:43,765
You want to give me responsibility?

350
00:19:45,559 --> 00:19:50,314
I thought to myself,
"How can I snoop better?"

351
00:19:51,398 --> 00:19:52,566
[keyboard clacking]

352
00:19:52,649 --> 00:19:53,942
[Belinda] So Jaimie

353
00:19:54,026 --> 00:19:56,278
Googled a picture and found a pretty girl.

354
00:19:58,989 --> 00:20:00,490
[Jaimie] She had a Supergirl shirt on.

355
00:20:00,574 --> 00:20:02,701
I was like,
"You're gonna be my Supergirl."

356
00:20:03,869 --> 00:20:06,955
I  just wanted a pretty face,
a pretty body,

357
00:20:07,039 --> 00:20:08,999
and it was gonna be my brain behind it.

358
00:20:09,082 --> 00:20:12,794
[Belinda] And we named her Rebecca,
and we posted that up.

359
00:20:12,878 --> 00:20:15,714
[Jaimie] I made her
in the eyes of what I thought

360
00:20:15,797 --> 00:20:17,549
the gang members would like.

361
00:20:18,050 --> 00:20:20,886
Added in, "Smoke weed,
and I like to drink beer."

362
00:20:20,969 --> 00:20:23,931
But I said cerveza
because I thought it was more clever.

363
00:20:25,224 --> 00:20:27,643
I wanted them to 100% think,

364
00:20:27,726 --> 00:20:31,146
"This girl on this MySpace is real."

365
00:20:32,940 --> 00:20:33,982
I had the top eight.

366
00:20:34,066 --> 00:20:37,152
I befriended all of them.
Clicked on that person's profile,

367
00:20:37,236 --> 00:20:38,779
went to their top eight,

368
00:20:38,862 --> 00:20:40,322
added all of their top eight.

369
00:20:41,490 --> 00:20:44,785
You got clicked, and everyone
got clicked, and everyone got added,

370
00:20:44,868 --> 00:20:48,372
and I just kept adding and adding
until I had a MySpace full of guys

371
00:20:48,455 --> 00:20:50,832
that were 5150,
and it looked like I belonged.

372
00:20:51,708 --> 00:20:55,128
I said, "Aunt Belinda, I got it set up.
What do you want me to do?"

373
00:20:55,212 --> 00:20:57,923
"Get as much information as you can."

374
00:21:00,634 --> 00:21:03,178
[keyboard clacking]

375
00:21:05,138 --> 00:21:07,057
[mouse clicking]

376
00:21:07,641 --> 00:21:09,351
[Jaimie]
I was making them like me.

377
00:21:09,434 --> 00:21:10,852
Just making them trust me.

378
00:21:12,187 --> 00:21:14,314
[Belinda] They don't even
spell a word out.

379
00:21:14,398 --> 00:21:16,566
I had to ask, I go,
"What does LOL mean?"

380
00:21:18,193 --> 00:21:21,446
My typing was acting.
That's what my acting was.

381
00:21:22,781 --> 00:21:26,618
[Belinda] Just trying to find out where
they were from, what they were doing.

382
00:21:27,744 --> 00:21:32,082
Of course, I knew that they were driving
a white Ford Expedition that night.

383
00:21:33,625 --> 00:21:36,545
She wanted me to start prying
for information real quick.

384
00:21:36,628 --> 00:21:39,673
And I was like,
"No, no, no, I gotta play it out."

385
00:21:39,756 --> 00:21:41,466
"Let me do this in, like, a week."

386
00:21:41,550 --> 00:21:44,386
Give me three days at least
before I start being like,

387
00:21:44,469 --> 00:21:45,929
"Hey, what car do you drive?"

388
00:21:48,015 --> 00:21:51,977
Okay. He had the white Ford Expedition.

389
00:21:52,769 --> 00:21:54,104
Yeah, two of them.

390
00:21:55,772 --> 00:21:58,233
That even made it even more confusing too.

391
00:21:59,276 --> 00:22:01,194
With the witnesses and everybody,

392
00:22:01,278 --> 00:22:03,822
because the two vehicles the same color.

393
00:22:06,283 --> 00:22:10,704
I… I remember at some point early on,
we talked about the vehicles in the area.

394
00:22:10,787 --> 00:22:12,205
Okay, this one's Robbie.

395
00:22:12,748 --> 00:22:15,834
[Rick] Neighbors had seen
a couple of vehicles.

396
00:22:15,917 --> 00:22:17,502
Some described them as SUVs,

397
00:22:17,586 --> 00:22:19,838
like Expeditions
or something of that nature.

398
00:22:19,921 --> 00:22:21,590
They were parked right here.

399
00:22:22,090 --> 00:22:25,886
[Rick] Doing laps in the area
almost as if they were chasing each other.

400
00:22:25,969 --> 00:22:29,348
I remember asking them about that.
"You saw it? Know what happened?"

401
00:22:29,431 --> 00:22:31,933
"You were getting in your cars
to go somewhere else

402
00:22:32,017 --> 00:22:35,520
about the time that these vehicles
were speeding through the area."

403
00:22:35,604 --> 00:22:38,190
And I can remember them

404
00:22:39,191 --> 00:22:40,817
playing kind of dumb about it.

405
00:22:42,402 --> 00:22:45,405
Yeah, there… there was a little bit. Um…

406
00:22:45,489 --> 00:22:51,828
I didn't come forth with everything
that I knew right away.

407
00:22:51,912 --> 00:22:54,289
[Rick] Where was Robert
when this happened?

408
00:22:54,373 --> 00:22:57,209
[Belinda] Robert? I don't know.
Robert had nothing to do with this.

409
00:22:57,292 --> 00:22:58,835
[Rick] Sure. Sure.

410
00:22:58,919 --> 00:23:04,508
[interviewer] So you tell the story
of that night, you don't mention Robbie.

411
00:23:05,092 --> 00:23:08,970
[Belinda] Oh, yeah,
because that had happened before,

412
00:23:09,054 --> 00:23:12,015
but then that just kind of
went out the door.

413
00:23:12,099 --> 00:23:15,185
I mean, I wasn't even thinking
about where Robbie went.

414
00:23:15,268 --> 00:23:16,770
I went to go find Robbie.

415
00:23:16,853 --> 00:23:19,898
And we were getting ready
to go to the store, and--

416
00:23:19,981 --> 00:23:22,651
It turned out later on that
the older brother, Robert,

417
00:23:22,734 --> 00:23:25,028
was actually one of the vehicles
being chased,

418
00:23:25,112 --> 00:23:28,490
and they didn't offer that up
for quite a while.

419
00:23:28,573 --> 00:23:31,701
[uneasy music playing]

420
00:23:33,995 --> 00:23:37,165
[Rick]
So this whole thing starts with Robbie

421
00:23:37,249 --> 00:23:39,918
parked almost directly across
from his parents' house,

422
00:23:40,001 --> 00:23:41,128
talking to a friend.

423
00:23:42,546 --> 00:23:45,882
I pulled up to his house,
and, um, my buddy came out.

424
00:23:46,508 --> 00:23:49,219
He's just in the passenger window
talking to me.

425
00:23:50,095 --> 00:23:55,016
And, uh, my girlfriend, she kind of got,
like, she had a look on her face.

426
00:23:55,100 --> 00:23:58,019
And, uh,
there was an Expedition behind us.

427
00:23:59,688 --> 00:24:02,941
And I looked at my buddy,
and he was kind of getting spooked,

428
00:24:03,024 --> 00:24:05,360
and kind of backpedaling
back up to the house.

429
00:24:08,363 --> 00:24:11,825
I did have an eerie feeling
like I don't know these people. I don't…

430
00:24:12,325 --> 00:24:15,078
I don't have these problems
in life, man, you know? Um…

431
00:24:15,579 --> 00:24:20,083
I turned on my brights,
and, uh, I just gunned it.

432
00:24:20,167 --> 00:24:21,293
[engine revving]

433
00:24:21,376 --> 00:24:23,086
[Robbie]
I thought I'd hit them or the curb,

434
00:24:23,170 --> 00:24:27,215
like something was bound to go wrong.
And I slid around the corner.

435
00:24:27,299 --> 00:24:29,468
And immediately they started chasing me.

436
00:24:30,594 --> 00:24:31,845
[engine revving]

437
00:24:32,971 --> 00:24:34,890
[Rick] You were not in an SUV that night?

438
00:24:34,973 --> 00:24:36,433
-[Robbie] No.
-[Rick] Absolutely not?

439
00:24:36,516 --> 00:24:39,436
I can't tell you how many people
saw two SUVs that night.

440
00:24:39,519 --> 00:24:42,981
Realize, Robert, that I am here
to help your family.

441
00:24:43,064 --> 00:24:44,065
That's all our jobs.

442
00:24:44,149 --> 00:24:46,568
[Robbie] I'm gone.
I don't think it's an issue.

443
00:24:46,651 --> 00:24:48,028
Whatever it was, it's gone.

444
00:24:48,111 --> 00:24:50,489
I head over towards
my daughter's mom's house.

445
00:24:51,573 --> 00:24:57,412
And, uh, I get there, and I pull up,
and she's all hysterical.

446
00:24:57,496 --> 00:24:58,914
[gunshots]

447
00:25:00,665 --> 00:25:01,625
[exhales]

448
00:25:11,510 --> 00:25:15,222
[sighs] I think we started doing
some follow-up on…

449
00:25:15,972 --> 00:25:17,140
the family.

450
00:25:17,224 --> 00:25:18,225
[shutter clicking]

451
00:25:18,308 --> 00:25:19,809
[tense music playing]

452
00:25:19,893 --> 00:25:20,810
[shutter clicking]

453
00:25:20,894 --> 00:25:25,273
I learned that the Lane-Theobald family
had some issues back in the day.

454
00:25:30,654 --> 00:25:32,906
People had been arrested, in prison.

455
00:25:34,157 --> 00:25:36,201
My boys, you know, they're boys,

456
00:25:36,284 --> 00:25:38,411
and they're going to have their problems,

457
00:25:38,495 --> 00:25:41,540
and they like to fight,
and whatever they do.

458
00:25:41,623 --> 00:25:45,377
Even with Belinda, uh,
there were drug issues in the past.

459
00:25:47,504 --> 00:25:49,548
[Christy]
We've been in the drug world together.

460
00:25:49,631 --> 00:25:53,885
Using. But I don't want to say all that.
Do you want me to say all that?

461
00:25:55,220 --> 00:25:58,056
Well, you know,
it started out a little weekend fun,

462
00:25:58,139 --> 00:26:00,308
but then became mama's little helper.

463
00:26:00,392 --> 00:26:04,187
It was like that's how
you go to work and work two jobs,

464
00:26:04,271 --> 00:26:06,523
and take care of five kids, and the house.

465
00:26:09,067 --> 00:26:12,320
It was meth. Meth, the devil dope.

466
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:17,242
Go to work, take your line, you know?
Come home from work. [scoffs]

467
00:26:17,325 --> 00:26:20,370
I mean, kids were always around,
but not seeing.

468
00:26:20,453 --> 00:26:21,705
They weren't seeing that.

469
00:26:21,788 --> 00:26:23,582
We weren't doing drugs
in front of the kids.

470
00:26:24,249 --> 00:26:25,625
Uh…

471
00:26:25,709 --> 00:26:29,004
They tried to hide it
as much as they could,

472
00:26:29,087 --> 00:26:31,089
but it was super obvious.

473
00:26:31,172 --> 00:26:35,135
Yeah, then, the bigger issue was
when I was selling drugs

474
00:26:35,218 --> 00:26:36,845
and went to prison.

475
00:26:36,928 --> 00:26:40,557
[Rick] She's had dealings with the police
in the past for her own issues,

476
00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:42,767
for her son's issues.

477
00:26:42,851 --> 00:26:47,063
Yeah. Yeah. I… I sold a lot.
I did a lot of damage out there.

478
00:26:47,689 --> 00:26:49,232
All of Riverside, I… I did.

479
00:26:50,025 --> 00:26:52,902
I've put a lot of drugs on the streets.
A lot.

480
00:26:54,029 --> 00:26:57,490
And all Crystal ever asked her,
all the time when she was younger,

481
00:26:57,574 --> 00:27:01,328
was, "Mom, please, quit using.
Please, please, please."

482
00:27:01,411 --> 00:27:04,080
So now the idea of who might
be responsible for this

483
00:27:04,164 --> 00:27:05,624
opens up a little bit more.

484
00:27:05,707 --> 00:27:09,044
That, is it something from somebody's
past issues in prison?

485
00:27:09,127 --> 00:27:11,254
Is it somebody's past issues with gangs?

486
00:27:11,338 --> 00:27:15,216
Is it somebody owed somebody money,
or drugs, or, you know,

487
00:27:15,300 --> 00:27:18,637
all of a sudden now the world
of possibility opens up even further,

488
00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:22,140
because there's this compromising
situation with the victim family.

489
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:33,735
[birds chirping]

490
00:27:33,818 --> 00:27:36,154
[ethereal music playing]

491
00:27:38,740 --> 00:27:40,033
[Jaimie] Every day.

492
00:27:40,116 --> 00:27:42,410
Get out of school, walk straight home.

493
00:27:43,453 --> 00:27:44,871
Hours upon hours.

494
00:27:45,664 --> 00:27:49,084
From three o'clock in the afternoon
till one o'clock in the morning,

495
00:27:49,709 --> 00:27:50,669
I'd be on there.

496
00:27:50,752 --> 00:27:52,754
[chiming]

497
00:27:53,755 --> 00:27:55,465
I think it got harder for me

498
00:27:55,548 --> 00:27:59,427
when my Aunt Belinda came up with the idea
of making Crystal a MySpace.

499
00:28:00,720 --> 00:28:03,306
[Belinda]
Rebecca just wasn't getting us enough hits

500
00:28:03,390 --> 00:28:05,558
from the ones that we were interested in.

501
00:28:05,642 --> 00:28:09,104
And so I asked her,
"Can you put Crystal's picture up there?"

502
00:28:10,855 --> 00:28:14,359
[Jaimie] I said, "Crystal. Why do you want
to make Crystal a MySpace?"

503
00:28:15,151 --> 00:28:17,028
Make them fall in love with her.

504
00:28:19,864 --> 00:28:22,117
[Belinda] We decided to name her Angel.

505
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,160
And I wrote on her profile

506
00:28:24,244 --> 00:28:28,039
that I was going to be
their biggest life mistake

507
00:28:28,123 --> 00:28:31,084
and their deepest, darkest,
best-kept secret.

508
00:28:32,293 --> 00:28:34,671
And, boy, they just started responding.

509
00:28:34,754 --> 00:28:37,465
It's like, boy, just left then right,
ping, ping, ping.

510
00:28:38,591 --> 00:28:42,595
I'd be on there switching back and forth.
I'd have two pages open.

511
00:28:42,679 --> 00:28:47,183
I would just minimize one, go to Angel,
minimize the other, go to Rebecca.

512
00:28:47,267 --> 00:28:50,353
My Supergirl.
She wasn't making them fall in love.

513
00:28:50,437 --> 00:28:52,731
She was more or less
a booty call, you know?

514
00:28:52,814 --> 00:28:54,691
Crystal was the love.

515
00:28:55,817 --> 00:28:58,194
Rebecca pried a lot, was nosy.

516
00:28:58,278 --> 00:29:01,948
Like, "Oh, tell me this, tell me that."
It was very, very flirty.

517
00:29:02,031 --> 00:29:03,825
And, like, teenager-y.

518
00:29:03,908 --> 00:29:07,912
Like, "Oh, today was a shitty day."
Like, "Uh, school sucks."

519
00:29:07,996 --> 00:29:10,123
Like, a little sad face and stuff.

520
00:29:10,999 --> 00:29:13,334
Angel's was always upbeat and sweet.

521
00:29:14,711 --> 00:29:16,671
She had good fonts. She had big fonts.

522
00:29:16,755 --> 00:29:21,843
Little fonts, pink fonts,
blue fonts, sparkly fonts. [chuckling]

523
00:29:21,926 --> 00:29:24,763
[inquisitive music playing]

524
00:29:26,222 --> 00:29:27,390
[mouse clicks]

525
00:29:30,059 --> 00:29:31,311
[Belinda] It wasn't long.

526
00:29:31,394 --> 00:29:35,148
The profile had just barely been up
when William Sotelo responded.

527
00:29:36,483 --> 00:29:37,692
He doesn't watch movies.

528
00:29:37,776 --> 00:29:38,860
He watches porn.

529
00:29:38,943 --> 00:29:41,279
He doesn't read books.
It was, "eff books."

530
00:29:42,155 --> 00:29:43,948
And he's standing in his profile.

531
00:29:44,657 --> 00:29:47,494
"I'm from 5150, and I'm down to kill."

532
00:29:49,954 --> 00:29:53,208
So I just got tunnel vision on Sotelo.

533
00:29:53,792 --> 00:29:56,044
I mainly talked to him.

534
00:29:56,127 --> 00:29:59,839
He was very adamant about 5150 on MySpace.

535
00:30:00,715 --> 00:30:04,385
[Belinda] Jaimie's putting in messages.
He's sending messages back.

536
00:30:05,178 --> 00:30:08,139
"Well, what do you do
besides party and drink?"

537
00:30:09,098 --> 00:30:11,726
I'm not really the party girl,
once in a while.

538
00:30:11,810 --> 00:30:15,063
"No, no, no,
that's not my thing. I have goals."

539
00:30:15,146 --> 00:30:17,106
"I'll show you. I'm gonna be somebody."

540
00:30:17,732 --> 00:30:20,652
When you want someone
to want you, you play with them.

541
00:30:20,735 --> 00:30:25,990
And I did what Crystal taught me to do,
um, make the boy come to you.

542
00:30:27,575 --> 00:30:28,785
[crickets chirping]

543
00:30:38,336 --> 00:30:39,420
[chimes]

544
00:30:40,088 --> 00:30:41,840
[keyboard clicks]

545
00:30:43,633 --> 00:30:44,509
[chimes]

546
00:30:44,592 --> 00:30:46,010
[keyboard clacking]

547
00:30:46,094 --> 00:30:46,970
[chimes]

548
00:30:48,596 --> 00:30:49,472
[chimes]

549
00:30:49,973 --> 00:30:55,603
[Belinda] We told him, uh,
Angel's mom's in prison for cooking meth.

550
00:30:55,687 --> 00:30:59,691
And I thought maybe that'd get them
to open up a bit about drugs or prison.

551
00:31:00,358 --> 00:31:01,234
[chimes]

552
00:31:02,610 --> 00:31:05,530
[Belinda] He came back opposite
of what I would've thought.

553
00:31:06,239 --> 00:31:07,156
[chimes]

554
00:31:08,032 --> 00:31:10,159
[Belinda] It got deep. It was like, "Wow."

555
00:31:10,994 --> 00:31:11,870
[chimes]

556
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:14,956
[chimes]

557
00:31:21,254 --> 00:31:22,088
[dings]

558
00:31:23,590 --> 00:31:26,217
His messages, he was getting more sweet.

559
00:31:26,926 --> 00:31:27,844
[chimes]

560
00:31:29,512 --> 00:31:31,723
[Jaimie]
How he wanted to give me the world

561
00:31:31,806 --> 00:31:34,809
and make sure nothing else
got in the way of it.

562
00:31:34,893 --> 00:31:35,852
[chimes]

563
00:31:38,897 --> 00:31:41,566
[Jaimie]
I have this picture of Crystal in my head.

564
00:31:41,649 --> 00:31:43,902
[sniffs] I really had to portray that.

565
00:31:48,281 --> 00:31:51,242
[voice breaks] I had to show him
she was a beautiful person.

566
00:31:52,243 --> 00:31:53,161
[sniffles]

567
00:31:54,537 --> 00:31:56,539
She was hard not to fall in love with.

568
00:31:57,999 --> 00:32:00,168
You'd meet her,
you'd fall in love with her.

569
00:32:01,586 --> 00:32:03,963
[sniffles] Her personality, her smile.

570
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:09,469
It was hard not for that guy
to fall in love with her.

571
00:32:10,094 --> 00:32:11,137
[chimes]

572
00:32:13,097 --> 00:32:16,893
[Jaimie] He said, "Hey, girl, I'm having
a party tonight. You want to come?"

573
00:32:16,976 --> 00:32:17,894
[chimes]

574
00:32:20,063 --> 00:32:23,524
[Belinda] "What's up? I'm ready tonight.
You don't have a car, I'll come get you."

575
00:32:23,608 --> 00:32:25,193
We're like, no, no, no.

576
00:32:25,276 --> 00:32:27,320
They wanna meet me. "What do I do?"

577
00:32:27,403 --> 00:32:29,822
And she goes, "Well, well, tell him yes."

578
00:32:29,906 --> 00:32:30,823
[chimes]

579
00:32:32,283 --> 00:32:33,952
[dings]

580
00:32:34,619 --> 00:32:38,164
"And then send him a message,
like, at the very last minute."

581
00:32:38,790 --> 00:32:40,500
"And say you can't make it."

582
00:32:41,417 --> 00:32:46,297
And then, like, an hour later,
I was like, "Damn, I cannot find a ride."

583
00:32:46,381 --> 00:32:51,052
He was so adamant about trying to get me
to come out that night.

584
00:32:51,135 --> 00:32:53,972
It was more than he had ever tried before.

585
00:32:55,098 --> 00:32:57,266
"Oh, girl. I'll come pick you up then."

586
00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:01,270
So I was like, "Oh, so if you were
to come pick me up,

587
00:33:01,354 --> 00:33:03,189
what car am I supposed to look for?"

588
00:33:03,272 --> 00:33:04,107
[chimes]

589
00:33:06,192 --> 00:33:07,068
[dings]

590
00:33:13,032 --> 00:33:16,703
[intense music plays]

591
00:33:20,123 --> 00:33:23,501
[Rick] That white truck, was there
anything that stood out about it?

592
00:33:23,584 --> 00:33:27,505
Like, was it lowered, or have some kind
of special rims on it, anything at all?

593
00:33:27,588 --> 00:33:30,216
[Belinda] It was an Expedition.
I don't know what make that is.

594
00:33:30,299 --> 00:33:32,218
-[Rick] Okay.
-[Belinda] If that's a Ford or what.

595
00:33:32,301 --> 00:33:36,305
Belinda knew enough that I was looking
for a particular kind of vehicle.

596
00:33:36,389 --> 00:33:37,807
An Expedition.

597
00:33:37,890 --> 00:33:41,561
It was a white color, but it also had
some gold accent here and there.

598
00:33:41,644 --> 00:33:44,731
And I was looking for the 5150
gang member who had that car.

599
00:33:46,899 --> 00:33:50,486
I went ahead and called Detective Wheeler
and told him,

600
00:33:50,570 --> 00:33:53,489
"Look, this is what I found out,
and I think we found him."

601
00:33:53,573 --> 00:33:54,741
"This is who they are."

602
00:33:55,783 --> 00:33:59,078
[Rick] I remember her calling me saying,
"Jokes. It was his car."

603
00:33:59,162 --> 00:34:01,330
"Jokes drove that car. It was him."

604
00:34:01,414 --> 00:34:05,084
That's also where the MySpace account
started to come into play. Um…

605
00:34:07,879 --> 00:34:09,505
At the beginning, I told her,

606
00:34:09,589 --> 00:34:11,799
"I wish you would've told me
you were starting this."

607
00:34:11,883 --> 00:34:13,593
"So I would've known ahead of time."

608
00:34:14,218 --> 00:34:19,599
But, uh, rolling through the comments
from these various guys

609
00:34:19,682 --> 00:34:22,185
that were just
head over heels for this girl.

610
00:34:22,268 --> 00:34:24,812
I mean, they…
A pretty lady, a pretty girl,

611
00:34:24,896 --> 00:34:27,648
and her talking to them
the way that, that she was.

612
00:34:27,732 --> 00:34:30,985
It was no wonder they got lured in.
It's a great way to set it up.

613
00:34:32,612 --> 00:34:35,990
So my next thought is, I got to get a hold
of William Sotelo, Jokes.

614
00:34:36,866 --> 00:34:41,037
If he in fact is the driver, he should be
able to tell me who else was in the car.

615
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:42,997
He should be able to tell me
who the shooter is.

616
00:34:43,998 --> 00:34:45,666
[Rick] Okay. All right, Will.

617
00:34:46,375 --> 00:34:49,337
We'll get you right back here
once we're all finished up.

618
00:34:49,420 --> 00:34:52,298
He was in the Job Corps.

619
00:34:52,381 --> 00:34:54,634
You're doing your GED.
I know what that means.

620
00:34:54,717 --> 00:34:57,595
-What are you doing as far as the cooking?
-[Will] Pantry cook.

621
00:34:57,678 --> 00:35:00,056
[Rick]
He was supposedly studying to be a chef.

622
00:35:00,139 --> 00:35:02,975
That's cool, man.
That's better than what you were doing.

623
00:35:03,059 --> 00:35:04,477
-[Will] Yeah.
-[Rick] Big time.

624
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,355
We talked all the way back
from San Bernardino to Riverside.

625
00:35:07,438 --> 00:35:10,817
All right. You wanted a water?
See if you can get one for him?

626
00:35:11,692 --> 00:35:13,194
-Sorry about that.
-[Will] No problem.

627
00:35:13,277 --> 00:35:14,445
[Rick sighs]

628
00:35:14,529 --> 00:35:17,865
Your name has popped up
in a case that I'm working. Okay?

629
00:35:17,949 --> 00:35:19,075
-Case?
-[Rick] Yeah.

630
00:35:19,158 --> 00:35:21,452
In an investigation that I'm doing.

631
00:35:21,536 --> 00:35:23,079
What is it? Gang members, or…?

632
00:35:23,162 --> 00:35:25,081
[Rick] Well, it's got to do with 5150.

633
00:35:26,165 --> 00:35:27,917
There's a girl that got shot.

634
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,043
-Girl?
-[Rick] Mm-hm.

635
00:35:30,211 --> 00:35:34,799
The thing that I need to ask you about,
though, is your… your car.

636
00:35:34,882 --> 00:35:36,342
Your Ford Expedition

637
00:35:36,425 --> 00:35:39,011
was identified as being there.

638
00:35:39,512 --> 00:35:42,473
[Will] Was it mine?
With the license plates? I don't know.

639
00:35:42,557 --> 00:35:44,183
[Rick] Yeah, your car was there.

640
00:35:44,267 --> 00:35:45,893
-Uh-huh.
-[Rick] And…

641
00:35:45,977 --> 00:35:48,229
-When was this?
-[Rick] Back in February.

642
00:35:51,941 --> 00:35:53,985
-Back in February?
-[Rick] Mm-hm.

643
00:35:54,068 --> 00:35:55,027
I don't know.

644
00:36:01,576 --> 00:36:02,869
[Rick] Yeah, you do, man.

645
00:36:04,495 --> 00:36:08,124
When he would give me
things that were denials

646
00:36:08,207 --> 00:36:12,336
or, um, he'd refute evidence I had,
I would just keep pushing him back into,

647
00:36:12,420 --> 00:36:15,923
"It's not a question of whether
you were there. I know you were there."

648
00:36:16,507 --> 00:36:17,592
"I want to know why."

649
00:36:17,675 --> 00:36:22,847
Nobody else in 5150 or anyone else
in that area drives that car but you.

650
00:36:23,389 --> 00:36:25,975
Every time I talk about Jokes,
it's always that car.

651
00:36:26,058 --> 00:36:28,436
-Jokes? Uh-huh.
-[Rick] Uh-huh. That's you.

652
00:36:28,936 --> 00:36:32,982
Now is the time that you really need
to be straight up with me

653
00:36:33,065 --> 00:36:35,234
because I am your only ally right now.

654
00:36:35,318 --> 00:36:37,528
I think after a while that wore him down.

655
00:36:37,612 --> 00:36:40,406
The problem is if you sit and tell me,
"I wasn't there…"

656
00:36:40,489 --> 00:36:42,700
All right, like, I'll say the truth, but--

657
00:36:42,783 --> 00:36:44,994
[Rick] That's what I want you to tell me.
The truth.

658
00:36:45,077 --> 00:36:47,205
I wasn't involved in it. It just happened.

659
00:36:47,288 --> 00:36:49,332
[Rick] Tell me. Tell me what happened.

660
00:36:49,415 --> 00:36:52,293
[suspenseful music playing]

661
00:36:54,253 --> 00:36:56,714
[Will] I don't know.
We were just cruising.

662
00:36:56,797 --> 00:36:58,507
Like, driving around by Rutland.

663
00:36:58,591 --> 00:37:00,968
[Rick] Rutland Park?
Is that 5150 territory,

664
00:37:01,052 --> 00:37:03,054
or isn't that close to MD territory?

665
00:37:03,137 --> 00:37:05,056
[Will] Yes, that's MD's territory.

666
00:37:05,139 --> 00:37:07,308
[Rick] And everybody's piled
into your Expedition?

667
00:37:07,391 --> 00:37:10,770
[Will] It was full,
probably like seven people in the car.

668
00:37:11,812 --> 00:37:14,649
This white Expedition passed quick,
almost hit my truck.

669
00:37:14,732 --> 00:37:16,734
He cuts us off, like, whoosh.

670
00:37:16,817 --> 00:37:19,237
Almost, like,
this close to hitting the truck.

671
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:23,407
"This is where we were
when we saw the SUV Robert was driving."

672
00:37:23,491 --> 00:37:26,035
"This is where we stopped
when the cars drove up on us."

673
00:37:26,118 --> 00:37:28,454
And then they started…

674
00:37:28,537 --> 00:37:31,999
The… The white Expedition
started shooting at the car, at my truck.

675
00:37:32,083 --> 00:37:34,043
-[Rick] They shot at your truck?
-[Will] Yeah.

676
00:37:34,126 --> 00:37:37,255
I was gonna take off,
and Lil Huero's like, "Just stop."

677
00:37:37,338 --> 00:37:38,839
-He got out.
-[Rick] Okay.

678
00:37:38,923 --> 00:37:40,549
So Little Huero gets out, right?

679
00:37:43,261 --> 00:37:45,221
Where did he walk to?
Did he walk to--?

680
00:37:45,304 --> 00:37:48,432
I don't know. I started ducking.
There was bullets everywhere.

681
00:37:48,516 --> 00:37:50,518
[gunshots]

682
00:37:50,601 --> 00:37:53,729
[Rick] That's pretty ballsy to get out
if somebody is shooting at you.

683
00:37:53,813 --> 00:37:55,690
Pretty ballsy to get out of the car.

684
00:37:55,773 --> 00:37:58,859
He's crazy. He's psycho. It's weird.

685
00:38:00,403 --> 00:38:03,281
[Rick] What did you see in the car
with the girl inside when it went by?

686
00:38:03,364 --> 00:38:05,032
-I don't know.
-Did it look like it got hit?

687
00:38:05,116 --> 00:38:07,034
-It did.
-[Rick] It have bullet holes in it?

688
00:38:07,118 --> 00:38:08,828
No, like the window was shattered.

689
00:38:08,911 --> 00:38:10,496
[Rick] Which window?

690
00:38:10,579 --> 00:38:13,874
The front… The front,
like, um, passenger side.

691
00:38:13,958 --> 00:38:14,792
[Rick] Okay.

692
00:38:15,710 --> 00:38:19,380
And you said you were getting shot at?
Did your car get hit?

693
00:38:19,463 --> 00:38:22,550
No. Um, I don't think it got hit.

694
00:38:22,633 --> 00:38:24,844
[Rick]
That's close for them not to hit you.

695
00:38:24,927 --> 00:38:27,346
-I'd have thought you've been hit.
-I don't know.

696
00:38:28,806 --> 00:38:33,227
[Rick] And we had no bullet strikes
in William's SUV, no shell casings,

697
00:38:33,311 --> 00:38:36,605
no weapons that were found
within the Theobald household.

698
00:38:36,689 --> 00:38:40,359
And lacking that evidence,
I don't have anything to substantiate

699
00:38:40,443 --> 00:38:43,487
that they were fired at
by the Theobald family.

700
00:38:47,116 --> 00:38:49,243
Okay, when did you see Little Huero again?

701
00:38:49,327 --> 00:38:52,413
I never saw him. I never heard from him
or saw him ever again.

702
00:38:52,496 --> 00:38:53,414
-[Rick] No?
-Mm-mm.

703
00:38:53,497 --> 00:38:56,584
[Rick] They had not had contact with him,
Julio Heredia.

704
00:38:56,667 --> 00:39:00,338
They hadn't seen him. He wasn't out
doing the crimes that he'd been doing.

705
00:39:00,421 --> 00:39:01,672
He was kind of a ghost.

706
00:39:01,756 --> 00:39:04,091
So, Little Huero, Julio Heredia,

707
00:39:04,842 --> 00:39:07,470
he's definitely looking
like a prime suspect.

708
00:39:07,553 --> 00:39:10,056
I need to find him.
I need to get ahold of him.

709
00:39:10,598 --> 00:39:13,392
Why don't we take a break?
Mind hanging out for a few minutes?

710
00:39:13,476 --> 00:39:15,186
-Okay.
-[Rick] Okay, be right back.

711
00:39:16,979 --> 00:39:20,191
-Is this, like, all gonna stay here?
-[Rick] What's that?

712
00:39:20,274 --> 00:39:22,693
Is anybody else
going to find out about this?

713
00:39:22,777 --> 00:39:25,571
-[Rick] Am I gonna go run and tell?
-I don't wanna get killed.

714
00:39:25,654 --> 00:39:28,074
[Rick]
I ain't gonna tell Little Huero about it.

715
00:39:28,157 --> 00:39:29,575
[door closes]

716
00:39:34,497 --> 00:39:37,458
[Rick] I didn't have enough for an arrest
for William at that point.

717
00:39:37,541 --> 00:39:42,838
And since everything was on
his willingness to help me out, legally,

718
00:39:42,922 --> 00:39:45,800
I was going to have to let him go
at the end of it. Um…

719
00:39:46,634 --> 00:39:48,219
because I promised him I would.

720
00:39:48,302 --> 00:39:51,055
-San Bernadino or--?
-Could you drop me off at Parkview?

721
00:39:51,138 --> 00:39:52,890
[Rick] Parkview? I can do that.

722
00:39:52,973 --> 00:39:55,351
But he was huge. Very big piece.

723
00:39:57,311 --> 00:40:00,815
This is the matrix covering
the different people also at the homicide,

724
00:40:00,898 --> 00:40:02,566
at the scene when it happened.

725
00:40:02,650 --> 00:40:04,402
Um, this is William Lemus Junior,

726
00:40:04,985 --> 00:40:06,946
and his nickname was Little Rascal.

727
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:09,824
And his brother Manuel.

728
00:40:11,909 --> 00:40:13,953
Manuel's nickname was Tripper.

729
00:40:14,829 --> 00:40:16,956
[Manuel] I felt like it was just bullshit.

730
00:40:17,665 --> 00:40:21,210
At school,
gangs were aiming for little kids,

731
00:40:21,293 --> 00:40:23,462
to take them in when they were little.

732
00:40:23,546 --> 00:40:26,090
I wasn't with it.
I told them, "They're too young."

733
00:40:26,173 --> 00:40:29,552
And they looked at me and said,
"How do you think we got you in?"

734
00:40:31,720 --> 00:40:33,013
[indistinct chatter]

735
00:40:34,765 --> 00:40:38,853
[Manuel] I went to their house party,
and I liked everything that they did.

736
00:40:39,728 --> 00:40:41,730
And that house was full of people.

737
00:40:42,731 --> 00:40:44,358
Loud music playing.

738
00:40:45,734 --> 00:40:49,447
But at that moment, I felt like
this is where I wanted to be.

739
00:40:51,615 --> 00:40:55,411
Next thing you know, I got a guy
in a bike coming up to me.

740
00:40:56,787 --> 00:40:58,456
I remember beginning of school year,

741
00:40:58,539 --> 00:41:01,792
somebody said that the guy on the bike
is the one that shoots you.

742
00:41:04,044 --> 00:41:04,879
Julio.

743
00:41:06,213 --> 00:41:08,174
He's like, "Right on. Give him a beer."

744
00:41:08,257 --> 00:41:09,633
I don't drink.

745
00:41:10,718 --> 00:41:12,720
"Do you want to be in, or no?"

746
00:41:12,803 --> 00:41:13,679
"Yeah."

747
00:41:15,639 --> 00:41:17,349
"Get him some weed."

748
00:41:17,433 --> 00:41:18,476
"I don't smoke."

749
00:41:19,268 --> 00:41:22,563
"You want to be in? Do this.
You want to be in? Do that."

750
00:41:22,646 --> 00:41:24,148
[indistinct chatter]

751
00:41:26,734 --> 00:41:28,819
Puts up his hand and said, "Get him."

752
00:41:31,030 --> 00:41:32,531
[man] Cut that shit.

753
00:41:32,615 --> 00:41:35,159
[Manuel] One of the kids grabbed me,
tackled me to the floor,

754
00:41:35,242 --> 00:41:36,702
speared me to the floor down.

755
00:41:38,496 --> 00:41:40,706
And then, like, you're in.

756
00:41:40,789 --> 00:41:43,417
And they just started hugging me,
holding me.

757
00:41:43,501 --> 00:41:45,920
"We'll get your back
whenever anything happens."

758
00:41:47,755 --> 00:41:49,965
Next thing in school,
they want me to hang out with them.

759
00:41:50,049 --> 00:41:51,967
They want me to be around their table.

760
00:41:53,302 --> 00:41:55,763
And then I was like,
"Hey, I'm making it in now."

761
00:41:58,224 --> 00:41:59,642
The way I felt was,

762
00:42:00,893 --> 00:42:02,144
"Why should I be scared?"

763
00:42:02,728 --> 00:42:03,938
"Shouldn't I feel safe?"

764
00:42:04,021 --> 00:42:08,192
Have that feeling
that no one will come after me.

765
00:42:09,652 --> 00:42:11,737
I'm with the ones that come after people.

766
00:42:14,865 --> 00:42:16,116
[crickets chirping]

767
00:42:17,993 --> 00:42:22,289
We lived very peacefully there.
Very peacefully.

768
00:42:22,373 --> 00:42:26,377
There were never any problems,
nothing, nothing.

769
00:42:27,336 --> 00:42:33,676
All those guys were his friends because
they were all from the same neighborhood.

770
00:42:33,759 --> 00:42:34,969
They were his friends.

771
00:42:35,553 --> 00:42:38,138
They seemed so innocent.

772
00:42:38,222 --> 00:42:42,393
They showed me respect.
They didn't use bad language.

773
00:42:43,686 --> 00:42:48,232
And I had no idea
what a big problem that was.

774
00:42:59,201 --> 00:43:02,913
It wasn't done yet.
That's why I stayed on for so long.

775
00:43:02,997 --> 00:43:04,373
That's why I never got off

776
00:43:04,456 --> 00:43:06,959
because I still had a lot more to do.

777
00:43:07,042 --> 00:43:07,876
[chimes]

778
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:09,712
[keyboard clacking]

779
00:43:09,795 --> 00:43:12,756
[Jaimie] I really tried to be Crystal.

780
00:43:13,841 --> 00:43:14,800
[chimes]

781
00:43:19,096 --> 00:43:23,267
Making someone fall in love with someone
who's dead is not a good feeling inside.

782
00:43:24,393 --> 00:43:25,227
[sniffles]

783
00:43:28,564 --> 00:43:30,566
When I was messaging as Angel…

784
00:43:32,359 --> 00:43:33,694
pretending to be her,

785
00:43:34,403 --> 00:43:37,364
I was really, really keeping her alive
in my heart.

786
00:43:41,452 --> 00:43:43,370
I was with her again all night long.

787
00:43:44,288 --> 00:43:45,539
Staying up late.

788
00:43:46,415 --> 00:43:47,249
[sniffles]

789
00:43:50,169 --> 00:43:54,131
I think that's what made it
difficult at the end.

790
00:43:57,092 --> 00:43:59,261
It just… It felt like I was…

791
00:44:00,804 --> 00:44:03,265
stuck pretending to be her.

792
00:44:03,349 --> 00:44:06,685
She wasn't here anymore.
It was hard to look at her face every day.

793
00:44:07,353 --> 00:44:08,228
[chimes]

794
00:44:10,981 --> 00:44:11,940
[chimes]

795
00:44:13,359 --> 00:44:15,778
[Jaimie] That's when the MySpace
got hard for me.

796
00:44:17,529 --> 00:44:18,405
[keyboard clicks]

797
00:44:20,783 --> 00:44:22,951
[Jaimie] I told my Aunt Belinda,
[sniffles]

798
00:44:23,035 --> 00:44:25,162
I said I was done.

799
00:44:25,245 --> 00:44:26,872
I couldn't do it anymore.

800
00:44:32,002 --> 00:44:32,836
[mouse clicks]

801
00:44:36,173 --> 00:44:41,428
Oh, yeah, I was so… I was very depressed,
very depressed. Uh…

802
00:44:43,722 --> 00:44:46,350
I said,
"Why isn't William Sotelo in custody?"

803
00:44:47,059 --> 00:44:50,145
After they find out everything,
and he admits to it.

804
00:44:51,814 --> 00:44:54,733
[Justin] Everything has a breaking point,
sooner or later.

805
00:44:55,943 --> 00:44:58,237
Like a jar, all this stuff going in.

806
00:44:59,446 --> 00:45:01,865
There's no release valve.
It just keeps going in,

807
00:45:01,949 --> 00:45:03,617
and the jar is starting to crack.

808
00:45:04,201 --> 00:45:08,247
And stuff's starting to come out
with nowhere to go.

809
00:45:08,872 --> 00:45:11,500
[Rick] I understand how the streets work.
You want to handle this.

810
00:45:11,583 --> 00:45:13,085
Your brothers want to handle this shit.

811
00:45:13,168 --> 00:45:15,254
-Enough harm's been done.
-[Justin] Right.

812
00:45:15,337 --> 00:45:18,382
[Rick] You don't need to go back to jail.
Your brothers don't need to.

813
00:45:18,465 --> 00:45:20,801
Your mom doesn't need
this kind of anguish, so…

814
00:45:20,884 --> 00:45:25,681
I know her boys weren't exactly
interested in us

815
00:45:25,764 --> 00:45:27,349
bringing the resolution about.

816
00:45:27,433 --> 00:45:29,685
They were used
to handling things their way.

817
00:45:29,768 --> 00:45:32,146
And that wasn't going to be good
for anybody.

818
00:45:32,229 --> 00:45:35,983
Are your sons, uh, wanting
to take care of this themselves?

819
00:45:36,066 --> 00:45:37,985
-[Belinda] No.
-[Rick] No? Okay. Good.

820
00:45:38,068 --> 00:45:40,070
Yeah, we don't… We don't need that.

821
00:45:40,612 --> 00:45:43,866
Only because of a promise to my mother

822
00:45:44,867 --> 00:45:48,829
did we not pursue
what we felt we wanted to.

823
00:45:50,038 --> 00:45:53,375
Okay, everybody, no violence.
Not in my daughter's name.

824
00:45:53,459 --> 00:45:58,422
But in the back of my own mind,
I still knew I was going to kill him.

825
00:45:58,505 --> 00:46:01,300
[tense music plays]

826
00:46:01,383 --> 00:46:03,510
And so I took over the site then

827
00:46:04,011 --> 00:46:05,888
because after so many months,

828
00:46:05,971 --> 00:46:09,475
you begin to wonder,
"My God, are they ever going to get him?"

829
00:46:09,558 --> 00:46:12,603
And I just go into the zone
with this anger.

830
00:46:13,479 --> 00:46:15,898
Everything I could learn
about their family.

831
00:46:15,981 --> 00:46:17,816
Everything I could learn about them.

832
00:46:17,900 --> 00:46:20,068
Riverside High School.

833
00:46:21,195 --> 00:46:23,113
I started getting a little braver.

834
00:46:24,072 --> 00:46:27,534
And I'd drive past their houses
and go take pictures of the vehicles,

835
00:46:27,618 --> 00:46:29,495
the license plate numbers.

836
00:46:29,578 --> 00:46:30,496
[shutter clicking]

837
00:46:30,579 --> 00:46:33,081
I called the FBI and ICE.

838
00:46:33,165 --> 00:46:35,000
I was trying to get them all deported.

839
00:46:35,083 --> 00:46:38,086
If there was a problem
I could bring to one of them, I would.

840
00:46:38,670 --> 00:46:41,298
Looked at some of their religious effects.

841
00:46:41,381 --> 00:46:42,299
Santería.

842
00:46:42,382 --> 00:46:44,676
Dropped a couple things off in their yard.

843
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:49,556
Black candles, and that little
voodoo doll that came from Spencer's

844
00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:51,391
with a million pins in it.

845
00:46:51,475 --> 00:46:55,521
Belinda was just kind of, uh,
psycho, you know?

846
00:46:55,604 --> 00:46:57,397
In her own little world. And, uh…

847
00:46:58,899 --> 00:47:03,862
loved her to death because she's…
You know, but she can be crazy.

848
00:47:04,655 --> 00:47:07,491
[Belinda] I befriended
some Casa Blanca gang members.

849
00:47:08,784 --> 00:47:10,702
I went on there and told them,

850
00:47:10,786 --> 00:47:13,789
"William Sotelo is talking
a gang a shit about you.

851
00:47:13,872 --> 00:47:16,834
He says you motherfuckers are pussies."

852
00:47:16,917 --> 00:47:18,126
And pissing them off.

853
00:47:18,210 --> 00:47:20,671
They're like,
"Oh, you wanna bang on the MySpace?"

854
00:47:20,754 --> 00:47:23,382
Bangin' on the mic and shit, MySpace…

855
00:47:23,465 --> 00:47:25,843
[Belinda] I'm like,
"Bitch, you want to come see me?"

856
00:47:25,926 --> 00:47:27,469
"Take the 91 Freeway."

857
00:47:27,553 --> 00:47:30,138
"Exit at La Sierra. Turn right."

858
00:47:30,222 --> 00:47:33,141
"And I drive
the white Ford Expedition, bitch."

859
00:47:33,225 --> 00:47:36,562
[Rick] She went on a bit of a tirade
with that MySpace account.

860
00:47:36,645 --> 00:47:39,356
What we did was great,
but this is gonna screw stuff up

861
00:47:39,439 --> 00:47:42,109
if now, you start threatening them,
start doing things

862
00:47:42,192 --> 00:47:45,153
that will draw any kind
of sympathy on their part.

863
00:47:45,237 --> 00:47:47,197
Detective Wheeler came and said,

864
00:47:47,281 --> 00:47:52,703
"There's been an exceptionally large
number of white Ford Expeditions

865
00:47:52,786 --> 00:47:56,665
that are being shot up
and burned up and vandalized."

866
00:47:57,499 --> 00:48:00,961
I just don't want there to be
any loose cannons out there

867
00:48:01,044 --> 00:48:02,713
that can throw a wrench in everything.

868
00:48:02,796 --> 00:48:05,883
He goes, "I think you need
to knock off all your bullshit."

869
00:48:05,966 --> 00:48:09,011
"And stay off the Internet,
and let us do our job."

870
00:48:09,094 --> 00:48:12,306
And I'm like, "Okay. Yeah, right.
Sounds good."

871
00:48:12,389 --> 00:48:14,600
Sounds like I'm getting somewhere
with something,

872
00:48:14,683 --> 00:48:16,894
Last thing I was going to do is back off.

873
00:48:16,977 --> 00:48:18,520
[crickets chirping]

874
00:48:22,774 --> 00:48:28,614
[Belinda] Then it was around April 20th,
four, 20, the penal code for marijuana.

875
00:48:31,909 --> 00:48:34,620
And they were all up there. "Happy 4/20."

876
00:48:34,703 --> 00:48:38,540
"Smoking a big one,"
and, "We're all partying." You know?

877
00:48:38,624 --> 00:48:40,542
And then I got to thinking, party.

878
00:48:45,756 --> 00:48:49,051
[tense music playing]

879
00:48:51,803 --> 00:48:54,097
I started sending bulletins out

880
00:48:54,181 --> 00:48:59,311
saying Angel's having an End of the World
party on 6/6/06,

881
00:48:59,394 --> 00:49:02,022
and I'm not gonna tell you
where the party's gonna be

882
00:49:02,105 --> 00:49:03,649
till six o'clock that night.

883
00:49:06,610 --> 00:49:10,447
[Christy] I remember her telling me
about the 5150 gang,

884
00:49:10,530 --> 00:49:15,035
and that she was portraying
somebody else to lure one of the guys.

885
00:49:15,118 --> 00:49:17,955
She was having this party.
Something about some party.

886
00:49:18,038 --> 00:49:21,458
[Belinda] Out there through Perris,
there's a road called Ryder Road.

887
00:49:23,585 --> 00:49:25,712
Here's where the story gets even trippier.

888
00:49:25,796 --> 00:49:28,715
[tense music intensifies]

889
00:49:36,014 --> 00:49:39,601
[Belinda] Someplace where I can see them
coming in, but they not see me.

890
00:49:39,685 --> 00:49:43,105
And I just… Yeah.

891
00:49:44,898 --> 00:49:47,609
[Christy] She says,
"You won't believe what I'm doing."

892
00:49:47,693 --> 00:49:49,778
And I said what I was scared more of.

893
00:49:49,861 --> 00:49:53,573
I go, "I know this is what you want to do,
but I thought it was insane."

894
00:49:54,324 --> 00:49:56,326
[keyboard clacking]

895
00:50:05,043 --> 00:50:06,712
[interviewer]
Who was gonna do the shooting?

896
00:50:06,795 --> 00:50:10,048
Oh, I was gonna shoot them.
I was gonna… That was mine.

897
00:50:10,132 --> 00:50:12,467
They were mine.
I was gonna shoot them myself.

898
00:50:15,679 --> 00:50:17,973
Yeah, I had a plan, and I had a gun.

899
00:50:18,056 --> 00:50:21,268
-[interviewer] Are you a good shot?
-I wasn't gonna be that far.

900
00:50:21,351 --> 00:50:24,271
Just have him pull in
and just up on the top,

901
00:50:24,354 --> 00:50:26,440
and figure we'd get the drop on them.

902
00:50:27,691 --> 00:50:28,692
You know?

903
00:50:33,155 --> 00:50:35,407
And it was gonna be
the end of their world.

904
00:50:46,126 --> 00:50:47,461
[birds chirping]

905
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:55,886
[Robbie] I remember coming home, and, uh…

906
00:50:58,013 --> 00:51:00,849
yeah, she was headed out.
She was determined.

907
00:51:01,391 --> 00:51:04,269
Regardless what it was,
it was gonna make her feel better.

908
00:51:04,352 --> 00:51:06,772
And that's what she wanted, you know? Um…

909
00:51:10,567 --> 00:51:14,654
[Belinda] My husband, my boys are like,
"Mom, you need to back off."

910
00:51:14,738 --> 00:51:15,989
"You need to stop."

911
00:51:16,907 --> 00:51:18,658
[Robbie]
We weren't gonna let her act on it.

912
00:51:18,742 --> 00:51:21,328
It was like we were gonna lose our mom,
you know?

913
00:51:24,456 --> 00:51:29,795
I made a plan to go murder people.
I made a plan to go murder people.

914
00:51:29,878 --> 00:51:31,379
Let that sink in a minute.

915
00:51:33,799 --> 00:51:36,760
You're suicidal,
or you're homicidal, you're just…

916
00:51:36,843 --> 00:51:39,721
You don't care, but you care too much.

917
00:51:42,891 --> 00:51:43,850
[mouse clicks]

918
00:51:45,060 --> 00:51:46,311
[keyboard clacking]

919
00:51:47,687 --> 00:51:50,232
[Belinda] It was just, uh, the day before.

920
00:51:54,277 --> 00:51:56,780
I'm not gonna hurt him.
I'm not gonna kill him.

921
00:51:58,240 --> 00:52:01,576
But I was just at the computer,

922
00:52:01,660 --> 00:52:04,663
and I was crying, crying, crying.

923
00:52:05,747 --> 00:52:07,749
[keyboard clacking]

924
00:52:07,833 --> 00:52:08,708
[dings]

925
00:52:13,130 --> 00:52:14,923
[keyboard clacking]

926
00:52:15,006 --> 00:52:15,841
[dings]

927
00:52:18,426 --> 00:52:19,344
[chimes]

928
00:52:19,886 --> 00:52:22,139
[Belinda] I wanted him to hurt
like we were hurting.

929
00:52:22,931 --> 00:52:24,933
[keyboard clacking]

930
00:52:28,603 --> 00:52:29,521
[chimes]

931
00:52:30,147 --> 00:52:31,690
[keyboard clacking slowly]

932
00:52:31,773 --> 00:52:32,649
[chimes]

933
00:52:35,277 --> 00:52:37,279
[keyboard clacking]

934
00:52:38,113 --> 00:52:38,989
[chimes]

935
00:52:39,072 --> 00:52:42,784
[Belinda] You're not talking to Angel.
This is the little girl you killed.

936
00:52:44,536 --> 00:52:47,372
Apparently, you didn't even know
who you had killed

937
00:52:47,455 --> 00:52:50,125
because none of you
recognized her picture.

938
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:53,211
Why'd you kill me?

939
00:52:54,004 --> 00:52:56,214
I had dreams. I had hopes.

940
00:52:57,716 --> 00:52:59,426
Why did… Why?

941
00:53:06,850 --> 00:53:08,935
He didn't respond to that, no.

942
00:53:15,442 --> 00:53:17,277
That's when I gave, uh,

943
00:53:18,153 --> 00:53:20,739
the detective, uh, the MySpace.

944
00:53:21,656 --> 00:53:25,327
I handed over the passwords and MySpace

945
00:53:25,410 --> 00:53:27,078
to keep myself in check.

946
00:53:28,413 --> 00:53:29,372
[shutter clicking]

947
00:53:32,584 --> 00:53:35,837
[Rick] So Jokes, uh,
he just dropped off the face of the earth.

948
00:53:35,921 --> 00:53:38,381
Nobody saw him anymore.
Nobody had any more contact with him.

949
00:53:45,597 --> 00:53:48,892
Because we didn't have William
in custody at the time,

950
00:53:48,975 --> 00:53:52,479
I needed somebody else to tell me
what took place in that car.

951
00:53:53,605 --> 00:53:57,359
All right, so this is Wyburn,
epicenter for 5150 back in the day.

952
00:53:58,109 --> 00:54:01,905
There was a street where there were
also two other gang members

953
00:54:01,988 --> 00:54:04,407
that had been inside the car,
the Lemus brothers.

954
00:54:04,491 --> 00:54:08,870
This house over here on my left,
that was the Lemus brothers' house.

955
00:54:08,954 --> 00:54:13,333
So knowing that Jokes had named them
as being people in the car,

956
00:54:14,000 --> 00:54:16,586
they were my next step,
since I couldn't find Julio.

957
00:54:17,128 --> 00:54:18,421
There was a shooting.

958
00:54:19,381 --> 00:54:21,591
I don't know if people
were shooting at you.

959
00:54:21,675 --> 00:54:23,802
I don't know if you
were shooting somebody.

960
00:54:23,885 --> 00:54:25,595
If I was involved in a shooting…

961
00:54:25,679 --> 00:54:27,847
-I think they shot at us.
-[Rick] …I would remember.

962
00:54:28,890 --> 00:54:30,684
[Manuel] And he asked me again.

963
00:54:31,268 --> 00:54:32,686
"We know everything."

964
00:54:35,313 --> 00:54:37,649
"You're the only one that's not talking."

965
00:54:37,732 --> 00:54:40,652
[Rick] You told me you didn't know
and you weren't in the car.

966
00:54:40,735 --> 00:54:42,112
Now I know that's all lies.

967
00:54:42,195 --> 00:54:44,572
'Cause you're telling me
that my brother's over here,

968
00:54:44,656 --> 00:54:46,032
then you let us talk a bit.

969
00:54:46,116 --> 00:54:49,327
Then he's coming telling me,
"You gotta tell them this and this."

970
00:54:49,411 --> 00:54:53,206
-"'Cause then he's gonna lock you up."
-[Rick] He was being honest about it.

971
00:54:53,290 --> 00:54:56,042
He didn't hide anything.
He said, "I was there."

972
00:54:56,126 --> 00:54:58,878
[Manuel] He goes,
"Your brother is in the other room."

973
00:54:58,962 --> 00:55:00,380
"And he told us everything."

974
00:55:00,463 --> 00:55:04,009
-[Rick] Is this the front of the car?
-Yeah. The front of the car.

975
00:55:05,093 --> 00:55:05,927
[Rick] Okay.

976
00:55:06,511 --> 00:55:10,682
This is me. This is my brother.
We're the only ones in the back.

977
00:55:10,765 --> 00:55:12,475
-[Rick] You're in the very back?
-Yeah.

978
00:55:12,559 --> 00:55:14,769
[Rick] This is William Lemus, his drawing.

979
00:55:15,603 --> 00:55:18,064
So you can see
he's talking about Jokes and Huero.

980
00:55:18,148 --> 00:55:20,400
Jokes said,
"These people were in the car,"

981
00:55:20,483 --> 00:55:24,487
William Lemus confirmed the same thing.
Stories were starting to look the same.

982
00:55:24,571 --> 00:55:26,823
Vehicles were the same.
Shooter was the same.

983
00:55:26,906 --> 00:55:30,744
He fired one kind of high,
and then he pointed at the car.

984
00:55:30,827 --> 00:55:32,495
-Yeah.
-Bam, bam, bam, bam.

985
00:55:32,579 --> 00:55:35,373
-And those hit the car.
-Those hit the car. Okay.

986
00:55:38,626 --> 00:55:40,962
That's him. It's not me.

987
00:55:42,922 --> 00:55:43,882
[swallows]

988
00:55:43,965 --> 00:55:47,177
"We're going to bring him in here." Okay.

989
00:55:47,719 --> 00:55:49,804
[Rick] Let's see if we can talk with him.

990
00:55:53,683 --> 00:55:57,228
[Manuel] They brought him in.
And right there, in that instant,

991
00:55:58,688 --> 00:56:00,357
I wanted to lunge at him…

992
00:56:02,567 --> 00:56:04,152
and just attack my brother.

993
00:56:08,365 --> 00:56:11,242
The rules say, "You don't say anything."

994
00:56:12,369 --> 00:56:14,871
-[Rick] You're telling me the truth?
-[Manuel] They will kill him.

995
00:56:14,954 --> 00:56:16,748
[Rick] The other way, you're lying.

996
00:56:16,831 --> 00:56:20,460
So you want to lie to me
in the middle of a murder investigation?

997
00:56:20,543 --> 00:56:21,878
Roll the dice.

998
00:56:21,961 --> 00:56:24,756
Or tell the truth,
and tell me what actually happened.

999
00:56:24,839 --> 00:56:26,883
It doesn't get any more black and white.

1000
00:56:26,966 --> 00:56:28,593
I know I didn't kill anybody.

1001
00:56:28,676 --> 00:56:30,637
[Rick] So, fine. Tell me what happened.

1002
00:56:32,305 --> 00:56:36,601
[Manuel] I was like, "It's okay.
You're not gonna get one word from me."

1003
00:56:39,020 --> 00:56:41,439
[inhales deeply] And they released us.

1004
00:56:42,482 --> 00:56:43,691
When they released us…

1005
00:56:45,860 --> 00:56:50,782
I looked at my brother, and I told him,
"I don't know what you just did."

1006
00:56:59,833 --> 00:57:03,586
I already knew the gang wants
to kill me and my brother.

1007
00:57:08,341 --> 00:57:10,343
[sighs]

1008
00:57:11,386 --> 00:57:14,681
Well, one day, or should I say one night…

1009
00:57:16,641 --> 00:57:18,393
5150 did a meeting.

1010
00:57:20,228 --> 00:57:24,607
They were talking and telling us,
"Hey, it was your brother, wasn't it?"

1011
00:57:25,525 --> 00:57:29,070
"I don't know. He wasn't in the same room.
He was in a different room."

1012
00:57:31,281 --> 00:57:35,326
"Why was he in a different room?
Why was he longer?

1013
00:57:35,410 --> 00:57:38,663
Why did you get out, and then
he got out right when you got out?"

1014
00:57:40,039 --> 00:57:41,166
"I don't know."

1015
00:57:41,958 --> 00:57:43,126
[crickets chirping]

1016
00:57:45,587 --> 00:57:47,672
"What would you do
if I killed your brother?"

1017
00:57:49,716 --> 00:57:51,134
"Would you be okay with it?"

1018
00:57:53,386 --> 00:57:55,096
I looked at him and I was like…

1019
00:58:00,477 --> 00:58:01,311
[sighs]

1020
00:58:01,394 --> 00:58:05,148
"I would do exactly the same thing
you'd do if someone killed your brother."

1021
00:58:10,153 --> 00:58:12,238
So I made my choice right there and then.

1022
00:58:13,865 --> 00:58:15,033
I'm out.

1023
00:58:16,993 --> 00:58:18,328
And I just walked away.

1024
00:58:24,792 --> 00:58:26,628
I wanted my brother to be okay.

1025
00:58:31,758 --> 00:58:34,844
I went with my brother,
and we left to L.A.

1026
00:58:37,305 --> 00:58:38,848
Well, if they couldn't get us,

1027
00:58:38,932 --> 00:58:41,434
I knew they were gonna try to get
my mom and dad.

1028
00:58:42,977 --> 00:58:45,104
I told my mom and dad to get out of there.

1029
00:58:49,859 --> 00:58:51,361
Mom and Dad didn't listen.

1030
00:58:53,488 --> 00:58:55,823
[operator]
Sir, what is your address, please?

1031
00:58:55,907 --> 00:58:59,077
[Will] 3445 Glasgow.

1032
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,829
[Betty]
A bunch of kids all dressed in black.

1033
00:59:01,913 --> 00:59:05,291
Maybe they weren't kids.
I couldn't tell, they were so far away.

1034
00:59:05,375 --> 00:59:08,378
[operator] Okay, and how many kids
are you talking about?

1035
00:59:08,461 --> 00:59:10,004
[Will] About ten, 12.

1036
00:59:10,088 --> 00:59:13,841
My husband called the police, and they
asked, "Are you going to stay there?"

1037
00:59:13,925 --> 00:59:17,679
"No, how can I stay here?" he said.
"We're leaving, send someone to check."

1038
00:59:18,263 --> 00:59:21,558
-[operator] What is your name?
-[Will] My name is William Lemus,

1039
00:59:21,641 --> 00:59:23,977
but I do not want to get involved in this.

1040
00:59:24,060 --> 00:59:25,979
[operator] You don't want the officer
to knock?

1041
00:59:26,062 --> 00:59:26,980
[Will] Of course not.

1042
00:59:27,063 --> 00:59:29,107
[Betty]
We were able to leave, we left.

1043
00:59:29,190 --> 00:59:31,818
But we did not know
what they were going to do.

1044
00:59:31,901 --> 00:59:33,903
[police siren wailing]

1045
00:59:33,987 --> 00:59:35,738
[crackling]

1046
00:59:40,827 --> 00:59:43,413
[Manuel] I have a feeling
that if my mom would have not left,

1047
00:59:43,496 --> 00:59:45,665
they probably would've burned them alive.

1048
00:59:48,710 --> 00:59:50,461
[Betty] All the sentimental things.

1049
00:59:51,754 --> 00:59:54,674
But since I am Christian, the Bible says,

1050
00:59:54,757 --> 00:59:57,510
"The thoughts of man
are not the same as those of God."

1051
01:00:00,471 --> 01:00:03,182
[Manuel] Is there such thing
as loyalty in this world?

1052
01:00:04,601 --> 01:00:06,144
It means nothing, actually.

1053
01:00:06,227 --> 01:00:09,564
[Rick] All right, Manuel,
your dad said you wanna talk more?

1054
01:00:09,647 --> 01:00:11,524
-Yeah.
-[Rick] Okay. To remind you…

1055
01:00:11,608 --> 01:00:15,111
[Manuel] When they tried to do something
to my mom and dad, I said,

1056
01:00:15,194 --> 01:00:20,033
"Okay, fine. Give me the detective.
I'll tell him anything he wants to hear."

1057
01:00:20,617 --> 01:00:22,910
Do you remember
more of what happened that night?

1058
01:00:24,287 --> 01:00:26,080
I can tell you the whole story now.

1059
01:00:26,164 --> 01:00:26,998
[Rick] Okay.

1060
01:00:28,082 --> 01:00:30,627
The beginning was that, my friends,

1061
01:00:30,710 --> 01:00:33,671
I don't know about what time,
late at night,

1062
01:00:34,297 --> 01:00:36,007
they came knocking at our house.

1063
01:00:39,010 --> 01:00:40,261
So it's nighttime.

1064
01:00:42,555 --> 01:00:44,015
I'm in an SUV.

1065
01:00:46,267 --> 01:00:47,226
A car pulls up.

1066
01:00:49,312 --> 01:00:51,939
One of the guys gets out
of the car like, "Hey."

1067
01:00:53,149 --> 01:00:54,567
"They tried to kill me."

1068
01:00:54,651 --> 01:00:57,236
"And tried to shoot me
with my daughter in the car."

1069
01:00:58,905 --> 01:01:02,158
It's a big SUV, big truck or something.

1070
01:01:03,993 --> 01:01:05,244
It was MD.

1071
01:01:06,746 --> 01:01:07,705
Another gang.

1072
01:01:08,915 --> 01:01:12,960
Julio, he was determined to do something.

1073
01:01:14,796 --> 01:01:17,674
Fuck them.
We're taking them out right now.

1074
01:01:19,092 --> 01:01:22,303
[Rick] They had shown up in the area
of Greenpoint and Geranium

1075
01:01:22,387 --> 01:01:27,058
looking to retaliate against
a rival gang that they thought

1076
01:01:27,141 --> 01:01:30,061
had shot at one of their
gang members earlier in the day.

1077
01:01:30,144 --> 01:01:34,524
They didn't know who the Theobalds were.
They didn't have any connection with them.

1078
01:01:35,149 --> 01:01:37,860
But they run into Robert's SUV.
They see him.

1079
01:01:39,779 --> 01:01:42,865
I don't know what happened.
I was in the SUV sitting there.

1080
01:01:42,949 --> 01:01:45,702
We're parked right here,
and he's facing us right here.

1081
01:01:45,785 --> 01:01:47,036
[engine revving]

1082
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:48,454
[tires screeching]

1083
01:01:50,498 --> 01:01:52,917
[Rick] And when Robert takes off,
they chase him.

1084
01:01:53,459 --> 01:01:56,087
And it's at that point that they lose him

1085
01:01:56,170 --> 01:01:58,923
and stop at the intersection
of Greenpoint and Geranium.

1086
01:01:59,006 --> 01:02:01,592
Two vehicles drive up
to their car that has stopped

1087
01:02:01,676 --> 01:02:03,928
almost in the middle of the intersection.

1088
01:02:04,011 --> 01:02:07,807
And they thought that this was rival
gang members coming to attack them.

1089
01:02:09,559 --> 01:02:13,146
[Manuel] Julio gets out of the SUV,
and walks in the middle of the road.

1090
01:02:15,231 --> 01:02:17,567
By that moment,
he's pulling out his piece

1091
01:02:17,650 --> 01:02:19,736
and just fired away.

1092
01:02:20,319 --> 01:02:24,782
The one round that struck Crystal
caught her in the back of the head,

1093
01:02:24,866 --> 01:02:26,743
kind of just around the neckline.

1094
01:02:26,826 --> 01:02:30,788
And, um, that would've been
one of the final rounds that was fired

1095
01:02:30,872 --> 01:02:32,623
as the vehicle's leaving the area.

1096
01:02:33,833 --> 01:02:34,876
[tires screeching]

1097
01:02:35,752 --> 01:02:38,379
And then four blocks ahead,
we see it pull over.

1098
01:02:39,088 --> 01:02:40,715
We already knew someone got hit.

1099
01:02:42,049 --> 01:02:44,135
-[Rick] Out, like outside?
-[Manuel] Yeah.

1100
01:02:44,927 --> 01:02:46,637
-Lil Huero.
-[Rick] Just Lil Huero?

1101
01:02:46,721 --> 01:02:47,889
-Just him.
-[Rick] Okay.

1102
01:02:47,972 --> 01:02:51,350
[Rick] I developed a rapport
with William Lemus and Manuel,

1103
01:02:51,434 --> 01:02:55,313
to where I feel like they trusted
that I had their best interests at heart.

1104
01:02:55,396 --> 01:02:58,524
I stood up, and I turned around
so he could see from behind.

1105
01:02:58,608 --> 01:02:59,859
I wasn't wearing a wire.

1106
01:02:59,942 --> 01:03:02,862
And they could be
my very key witnesses in this case.

1107
01:03:02,945 --> 01:03:05,782
He'd be on the passenger side,
but in the seat behind.

1108
01:03:05,865 --> 01:03:07,992
[Rick] That pushed
everything into the area

1109
01:03:08,075 --> 01:03:11,788
that this will end up in a courtroom.
Somebody's gonna be held responsible.

1110
01:03:12,580 --> 01:03:13,790
[knocking]

1111
01:03:13,873 --> 01:03:16,042
[officer]
Police Department! Search warrant!

1112
01:03:16,125 --> 01:03:19,837
[Rick] We ended up doing a large gang
sweep with a whole bunch of agencies.

1113
01:03:19,921 --> 01:03:23,299
[reporter] Police carried out
gang association search warrants.

1114
01:03:23,382 --> 01:03:27,804
Somewhere in the neighborhood of 25
to 30 houses were hit all at the same time

1115
01:03:27,887 --> 01:03:29,931
on a particular morning.

1116
01:03:30,014 --> 01:03:32,683
[reporter] "This was a reign of terror,"
said the D.A.

1117
01:03:32,767 --> 01:03:34,894
"I think we took the gang apart
on Wednesday."

1118
01:03:34,977 --> 01:03:37,355
[reflective music playing]

1119
01:03:38,856 --> 01:03:43,069
[Rick] The guys that were working
the intel for Julio Heredia

1120
01:03:43,152 --> 01:03:45,571
called and said,
"We've got a line on where he's at."

1121
01:03:45,655 --> 01:03:49,075
Julio woke up one day
surrounded with cops.

1122
01:03:49,951 --> 01:03:51,410
And they were Mexican cops.

1123
01:03:51,994 --> 01:03:55,331
I'm wanting to say it was within a day.
I think we got him up here.

1124
01:03:56,123 --> 01:04:00,837
Today we take back our park,
our streets, our neighborhood,

1125
01:04:00,920 --> 01:04:03,965
and a part of our community
and return it to the rightful owners.

1126
01:04:04,048 --> 01:04:06,259
[Belinda] There's no justice.
Justice would be

1127
01:04:06,342 --> 01:04:08,761
if they could find a way
to bring Crystal back to us.

1128
01:04:08,845 --> 01:04:12,181
News vans rolled up.
I was just, like, wow.

1129
01:04:12,265 --> 01:04:14,600
[reporter] Her engagement
on social media gleaned information

1130
01:04:14,684 --> 01:04:17,228
that eventually helped
lead police to arrests.

1131
01:04:17,311 --> 01:04:19,689
[Belinda]
We were notified the night before

1132
01:04:19,772 --> 01:04:25,653
that Julio Heredia had been charged
with my daughter's murder,

1133
01:04:26,279 --> 01:04:28,906
and that he was in custody.

1134
01:04:29,490 --> 01:04:33,119
It was like, "Thank you, Jesus.
Thank you. They got him. They got him."

1135
01:04:36,622 --> 01:04:39,000
[Rick] You're looking at a murder charge,
and you're that…

1136
01:04:39,083 --> 01:04:41,377
Are you that confident?
I'm looking at you.

1137
01:04:41,460 --> 01:04:43,337
I can tell you're not confident.

1138
01:04:43,421 --> 01:04:46,257
No, I'm sure about this.
I'm thinking about other things.

1139
01:04:46,340 --> 01:04:48,509
[Rick] What are you thinking about? Anna?

1140
01:04:49,719 --> 01:04:51,429
-That kid she's carrying?
-Yup.

1141
01:04:55,308 --> 01:04:58,060
[Rick] There's a lot of stuff
in your life right now.

1142
01:04:58,144 --> 01:04:59,562
How far along is she now?

1143
01:05:01,480 --> 01:05:03,190
-Four months.
-[Rick] Four months?

1144
01:05:03,274 --> 01:05:05,484
-Little boy or little girl? Do you know?
-No.

1145
01:05:06,485 --> 01:05:07,695
[Rick] How is she doing?

1146
01:05:08,487 --> 01:05:09,405
She's good.

1147
01:05:12,533 --> 01:05:14,911
[Rick]
You got a four-month-old on the way.

1148
01:05:15,828 --> 01:05:18,998
Set the example and step up
and be a man about this.

1149
01:05:20,124 --> 01:05:22,919
You made a mistake.
Everybody makes mistakes.

1150
01:05:23,002 --> 01:05:24,837
Some of them are bigger than others.

1151
01:05:26,213 --> 01:05:30,259
But right here, right now is the chance
for you to make a change.

1152
01:05:31,469 --> 01:05:33,930
For you to be a different kind
of a person, Julio.

1153
01:05:37,808 --> 01:05:39,644
You want to sleep on it tonight?

1154
01:05:39,727 --> 01:05:42,730
No, I just want to…
Yeah, I want a freaking lawyer.

1155
01:05:42,813 --> 01:05:46,067
I want you to give me my rights.
I want somebody to be right here.

1156
01:05:46,150 --> 01:05:49,487
[Rick] Now you want a lawyer?
You can have an attorney if you want.

1157
01:05:49,570 --> 01:05:51,155
You wanna do that? That's fine.

1158
01:05:52,156 --> 01:05:55,826
-But now you got a lot to think about.
-You don't understand me anyways.

1159
01:05:57,244 --> 01:05:58,204
[door closes]

1160
01:06:03,334 --> 01:06:05,878
[somber music playing]

1161
01:06:15,346 --> 01:06:18,307
[Diallo] I would describe Riverside
as kind of the Wild West

1162
01:06:18,391 --> 01:06:21,811
of the criminal justice system
as far as here in Southern California.

1163
01:06:21,894 --> 01:06:23,396
An intense place to practice.

1164
01:06:23,980 --> 01:06:26,065
The DA's office, they have a reputation.

1165
01:06:26,148 --> 01:06:28,818
You know,
we're aggressive about gang prosecutions.

1166
01:06:28,901 --> 01:06:32,363
So aggressive to the fact we're looking
to put gang members to death.

1167
01:06:33,155 --> 01:06:35,574
You know,
on our side we're representing Julio,

1168
01:06:35,658 --> 01:06:38,744
and trying to convey his humanity
and his interests,

1169
01:06:38,828 --> 01:06:42,415
but they have to have a tough decision
to a family who's lost somebody.

1170
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:49,964
[Rick] Now we bring the family in,

1171
01:06:50,047 --> 01:06:53,467
and we talk with the DA's office
about if it'll be the death penalty.

1172
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:57,138
I know Belinda was very, very passionate.

1173
01:06:57,221 --> 01:06:59,598
She wanted him to pay
the ultimate price for it.

1174
01:06:59,682 --> 01:07:02,893
Um, and I don't blame her.
I don't blame her at all.

1175
01:07:04,770 --> 01:07:06,939
[Belinda] Yeah, I hate him. I hate him.

1176
01:07:07,815 --> 01:07:08,733
I do.

1177
01:07:09,316 --> 01:07:12,611
There's… I can't think of anything
in the world bad enough

1178
01:07:13,946 --> 01:07:15,239
that would be enough.

1179
01:07:22,371 --> 01:07:26,751
Capital cases, your whole mind frame
is changed to saving a person's life.

1180
01:07:27,835 --> 01:07:30,463
So that person's entire life
has to be investigated

1181
01:07:30,546 --> 01:07:32,673
because ultimately,
you're not just killing

1182
01:07:32,757 --> 01:07:36,010
that part of the person that committed
the crime. You're killing all of them.

1183
01:07:36,093 --> 01:07:39,055
Their story has to be told.
How they got to where they were.

1184
01:07:40,473 --> 01:07:42,516
You know, not excuses but explanations.

1185
01:07:46,854 --> 01:07:50,107
[chuckles]
He was so small in this picture.

1186
01:07:50,191 --> 01:07:51,525
He was so tiny.

1187
01:07:53,402 --> 01:07:54,862
His big, old ears.

1188
01:07:55,905 --> 01:07:56,739
[chuckles]

1189
01:07:57,531 --> 01:07:59,867
I remember them sending us out.

1190
01:08:00,993 --> 01:08:04,455
The papers that we have to fill out,
like if you're 18 and older,

1191
01:08:04,538 --> 01:08:07,917
and if you want to go
to the execution, you can.

1192
01:08:10,002 --> 01:08:11,545
Oh, my mom.

1193
01:08:14,340 --> 01:08:16,842
[reflective music playing]

1194
01:08:16,926 --> 01:08:19,136
It was hard living with my mom.

1195
01:08:19,887 --> 01:08:23,307
You know, she was on drugs
and alcohol, and…

1196
01:08:24,433 --> 01:08:27,937
I mean, I would pick stuff
up off the floor, eating it

1197
01:08:28,020 --> 01:08:29,772
'cause we were so hungry.

1198
01:08:30,940 --> 01:08:35,736
So that brings… Seeing this picture
brings back a lot of bad memories.

1199
01:08:36,695 --> 01:08:37,530
Uh…

1200
01:08:38,405 --> 01:08:41,242
We didn't have food.
We didn't have furniture.

1201
01:08:41,325 --> 01:08:46,330
Julio, he had to take care
of all of us, getting money, working.

1202
01:08:47,039 --> 01:08:50,417
For me, the only father figure
I ever had was Julio.

1203
01:08:54,547 --> 01:08:57,091
[Mario] You know, with Julio,
we looked up to him.

1204
01:08:57,174 --> 01:09:00,594
We wanted to be like him.
We would dress like him. [chuckles]

1205
01:09:00,678 --> 01:09:02,263
You know, we were proud.

1206
01:09:02,346 --> 01:09:05,891
We would go to school, and we'd tell
everybody, "That's our cousin."

1207
01:09:05,975 --> 01:09:11,230
This is where we lived up here,
and he lived over there across the street.

1208
01:09:11,939 --> 01:09:15,818
That was his last spot where, like,
he actually, like, lived with his mom.

1209
01:09:16,694 --> 01:09:19,405
Uh, Julio was 14, 15, then.

1210
01:09:19,488 --> 01:09:23,701
I think he couldn't accept that his mom
just didn't care to get them back.

1211
01:09:23,784 --> 01:09:27,246
You know, she didn't try to get them back.

1212
01:09:28,372 --> 01:09:33,836
See, this picture just reminds me,
like, of when they started,

1213
01:09:33,919 --> 01:09:38,340
you know, going out
and getting involved in all that stuff.

1214
01:09:40,467 --> 01:09:42,428
[Mario] He started hanging out
with the older guys.

1215
01:09:42,511 --> 01:09:46,515
And those are guys who would let him
in his house. And they gave him drugs.

1216
01:09:46,599 --> 01:09:50,227
And, you know, uh,
they started having him do things

1217
01:09:50,311 --> 01:09:52,229
that he shouldn't have been doing.

1218
01:09:55,107 --> 01:09:58,402
Oh, this has everybody in it.

1219
01:09:59,069 --> 01:10:02,156
They all look so young in this picture.

1220
01:10:02,990 --> 01:10:06,452
[Mario] This guy stabbed him
with this huge kitchen knife.

1221
01:10:06,535 --> 01:10:10,372
And Julio's skinny,
so the knife, like, came out his back.

1222
01:10:11,790 --> 01:10:16,086
That's when I started realizing
he wasn't, um, the same anymore.

1223
01:10:16,170 --> 01:10:19,840
Like, his joy was gone.
It was, like, done, dead.

1224
01:10:22,092 --> 01:10:25,137
Nick even said,
"Mom, I don't like this fucker."

1225
01:10:25,221 --> 01:10:27,556
He goes, "Yeah, I fucking don't like him."

1226
01:10:27,640 --> 01:10:32,353
"But, Mom, you got to think,
when I was 17, I didn't give a fuck."

1227
01:10:35,105 --> 01:10:36,273
[Nick] I was into sports.

1228
01:10:36,357 --> 01:10:39,610
I mean, playing football
and going to ride my dirt bike.

1229
01:10:39,693 --> 01:10:44,240
And after Crystal was killed, I started
having problems at school with fighting,

1230
01:10:44,323 --> 01:10:47,785
in a bad mood, and mad at the world,
I guess I could say.

1231
01:10:47,868 --> 01:10:53,165
And he started messing up.
He was angry. He wanted revenge.

1232
01:10:53,249 --> 01:10:57,628
And we were losing him to a gang.

1233
01:10:57,711 --> 01:10:59,088
-[interviewer] Which son?
-Nicholas.

1234
01:10:59,171 --> 01:11:03,634
Yeah, like, I was from a gang, and
we were enemies with the 5150s and stuff.

1235
01:11:04,260 --> 01:11:05,928
I just fit in right with them.

1236
01:11:06,011 --> 01:11:09,431
Like, fuck them fools too, you know?
Like let's go look for them and…

1237
01:11:11,225 --> 01:11:16,313
[Belinda] Now I have the fear and worry
about my son being killed in gang violence

1238
01:11:16,855 --> 01:11:19,858
and being a part of a gang,
or killing somebody.

1239
01:11:20,693 --> 01:11:23,195
[Nick] When I was a juvenile,
I was arrested a lot.

1240
01:11:23,279 --> 01:11:27,199
I mean, I have the gun case,
then I'm up for assault with a firearm.

1241
01:11:27,283 --> 01:11:30,452
That's what I got out of prison for,
and it's just not worth it.

1242
01:11:32,830 --> 01:11:34,581
You stay in denial a little bit.

1243
01:11:34,665 --> 01:11:36,709
You don't wanna believe that your child…

1244
01:11:38,002 --> 01:11:40,504
could do something like that. Get a gun.

1245
01:11:40,587 --> 01:11:43,507
I'm like, "How did you get a gun?
Where did you get a gun?"

1246
01:11:47,052 --> 01:11:48,470
This was my bottom.

1247
01:11:49,763 --> 01:11:50,639
This…

1248
01:11:52,182 --> 01:11:54,184
This was Belinda's wake-up call.

1249
01:11:56,520 --> 01:11:59,398
I had to really start taking
a good look at myself,

1250
01:12:00,232 --> 01:12:03,944
and why I was having
all of these… these feelings,

1251
01:12:04,028 --> 01:12:07,031
and just being pissed off at the world.

1252
01:12:07,781 --> 01:12:08,615
And…

1253
01:12:09,408 --> 01:12:11,368
where is the anger coming from?

1254
01:12:11,452 --> 01:12:13,162
What… What is it I'm mad at?

1255
01:12:15,956 --> 01:12:18,208
Well, I was mad at me. I was mad at me.

1256
01:12:18,292 --> 01:12:20,169
I was disappointed in me.

1257
01:12:20,252 --> 01:12:22,921
Who's that? You guys, get down!

1258
01:12:23,005 --> 01:12:26,633
I think they're coming up the road again.
Get behind the car, Ben. Hurry!

1259
01:12:26,717 --> 01:12:29,636
[dispatcher] Wait. Ma'am, hold on.
Do you think he was a teenager?

1260
01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:32,931
[Belinda] The last day I used
was the day Crystal was murdered.

1261
01:12:36,060 --> 01:12:37,644
Yeah. I was high.

1262
01:12:38,354 --> 01:12:41,565
-He was shorter than me.
-[dispatcher] Thin, medium, heavy build?

1263
01:12:41,648 --> 01:12:43,817
Uh. He… uh… Very…

1264
01:12:43,901 --> 01:12:45,152
Oh gosh, uh…

1265
01:12:45,235 --> 01:12:48,489
And that's all Crystal
ever wanted from me.

1266
01:12:49,198 --> 01:12:51,033
"Mom, just get sober."

1267
01:12:51,116 --> 01:12:54,870
My heart's still pounding. I'm just like,
"Oh my God. I can't believe this."

1268
01:12:54,953 --> 01:12:58,540
And I couldn't do it for her.
I couldn't do it for her in life.

1269
01:13:07,174 --> 01:13:09,176
I have to learn to forgive myself.

1270
01:13:13,222 --> 01:13:15,682
And that's harder than forgiving…

1271
01:13:16,475 --> 01:13:17,810
Julio Heredia.

1272
01:13:17,893 --> 01:13:19,019
It really is.

1273
01:13:27,569 --> 01:13:29,238
I had to say that.

1274
01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:33,826
[woman] Just memorials
of all the murders in Riverside County.

1275
01:13:34,952 --> 01:13:37,663
[Belinda] Every single day,
it's on the news.

1276
01:13:38,705 --> 01:13:40,457
It's just the names are changing.

1277
01:13:42,543 --> 01:13:45,546
I can understand where the drugs, gangs,

1278
01:13:45,629 --> 01:13:48,507
and they were all high
as a kite that night too.

1279
01:13:50,926 --> 01:13:54,430
I can actually say, "There go I,
but for the grace of God."

1280
01:13:58,058 --> 01:14:00,269
That was really the reason
that we asked him

1281
01:14:00,352 --> 01:14:02,813
to take the death penalty off the table.

1282
01:14:07,234 --> 01:14:09,820
I did the right thing
for the first time in my life.

1283
01:14:09,903 --> 01:14:12,531
I did the right thing. Yeah.

1284
01:14:26,628 --> 01:14:30,090
If you've got gang members
that are definitely loyal to their gang

1285
01:14:30,174 --> 01:14:33,177
and know the price
that they pay if they snitch,

1286
01:14:33,260 --> 01:14:39,224
it's pretty rare that you get one,
maybe two to be cooperative with us.

1287
01:14:39,308 --> 01:14:40,767
So that was huge.

1288
01:14:41,268 --> 01:14:42,144
[sighs]

1289
01:14:42,227 --> 01:14:45,731
[Manuel] By the time he hears the gunshot,
he comes outside of the car.

1290
01:14:45,814 --> 01:14:46,899
He's coming out.

1291
01:14:47,900 --> 01:14:52,654
And at this time,
I hear several other gunshot noises.

1292
01:14:52,738 --> 01:14:56,533
I was kind of scared
because of the fact that…

1293
01:14:59,286 --> 01:15:02,498
I know how many people
are in this organization.

1294
01:15:05,751 --> 01:15:07,586
And it's not something that you end.

1295
01:15:09,046 --> 01:15:10,964
[woman] You've seen Little Huero on meth?

1296
01:15:11,048 --> 01:15:13,091
-[Manuel] Yeah.
-[woman] You've never smoked with him?

1297
01:15:13,175 --> 01:15:15,177
[Manuel] Never smoked with him,
never seen him do it,

1298
01:15:15,260 --> 01:15:18,013
but I know he's on it,
his eyeballs are all opened up.

1299
01:15:18,096 --> 01:15:22,184
It was just crazy to see them testifying
against my brother, you know?

1300
01:15:22,267 --> 01:15:25,145
'Cause they grew up with us, you know?

1301
01:15:25,229 --> 01:15:27,940
They were always there.
They were always at our house.

1302
01:15:28,023 --> 01:15:30,817
[Will] So I saw when Little Huero
dumped the first shot.

1303
01:15:30,901 --> 01:15:33,153
I didn't see the other shots.
I saw the first one.

1304
01:15:33,237 --> 01:15:37,199
I did feel hurt, you know?
Because we would hang out every day,

1305
01:15:37,282 --> 01:15:39,743
and I just thought,
for you to make up lies

1306
01:15:39,826 --> 01:15:41,828
just to get out of something.

1307
01:15:43,080 --> 01:15:45,999
[interviewer] Did you have interactions
with them? Did they talk to you?

1308
01:15:46,083 --> 01:15:49,836
Not at all. They were just looking at me,
but I didn't want to look at them.

1309
01:15:51,672 --> 01:15:54,633
[Amalia]
I think it was Manuel's crying, um,

1310
01:15:55,717 --> 01:15:57,636
when he was testifying, so…

1311
01:16:00,472 --> 01:16:03,475
[Manuel] I know he didn't mean
to do all those things he did.

1312
01:16:04,518 --> 01:16:08,063
Like how everyone
in this world doesn't mean to do it.

1313
01:16:15,404 --> 01:16:18,865
[Amalia] The comments
that the judge made were really harsh.

1314
01:16:18,949 --> 01:16:21,201
"Mr. Heredia is not a good person."

1315
01:16:21,285 --> 01:16:25,622
"He is a violent, cold-blooded murderer."

1316
01:16:27,207 --> 01:16:29,876
"And he is going to pay
for what he has done."

1317
01:16:33,463 --> 01:16:34,298
[sighs]

1318
01:16:35,257 --> 01:16:36,425
[clicks tongue]

1319
01:16:36,508 --> 01:16:37,384
Um…

1320
01:16:38,468 --> 01:16:40,387
[atmospheric music plays]

1321
01:16:51,231 --> 01:16:53,066
[Manuel] We lived in the fast lane.

1322
01:16:53,692 --> 01:16:56,737
We did things
that you can't even think of.

1323
01:17:00,032 --> 01:17:01,867
For those things, we get nightmares.

1324
01:17:05,829 --> 01:17:07,831
[Justin] I live it every day. I can't…

1325
01:17:07,914 --> 01:17:09,916
drive down the street where I grew up…

1326
01:17:12,044 --> 01:17:14,504
[voice breaks]
without flashing back.

1327
01:17:21,386 --> 01:17:23,639
[Robbie] I've had dreams about her, just…

1328
01:17:25,849 --> 01:17:27,726
I just hold tight to all my memories.

1329
01:17:30,228 --> 01:17:31,730
[Jaimie] It was about a month ago.

1330
01:17:32,856 --> 01:17:34,483
Crystal was standing there.

1331
01:17:35,067 --> 01:17:38,445
And she was in this white dress.

1332
01:17:41,782 --> 01:17:42,908
And then I woke up.

1333
01:17:45,452 --> 01:17:48,413
[Manuel] Now it's going to be difficult
forgiving myself.

1334
01:17:50,957 --> 01:17:54,002
Mom and Dad always try to protect me,

1335
01:17:54,086 --> 01:17:56,546
always try to have something good for me.

1336
01:17:58,507 --> 01:18:01,009
And I'm…
I'm trying not to let them down again.

1337
01:18:03,261 --> 01:18:04,763
I want to have kids.

1338
01:18:05,597 --> 01:18:06,556
Raise a family.

1339
01:18:08,850 --> 01:18:10,227
You know, do something.

1340
01:18:29,788 --> 01:18:32,833
[Belinda] It was personal between
William Sotelo and I.

1341
01:18:34,459 --> 01:18:37,879
It's not over until he's apprehended.

1342
01:18:40,382 --> 01:18:44,636
And I feel like I just need him
in custody so Crystal can rest.

1343
01:18:46,138 --> 01:18:47,806
Let's see what William Sotelo…

1344
01:18:48,598 --> 01:18:49,558
Mm…

1345
01:18:50,517 --> 01:18:52,269
Oh, and Unity.

1346
01:18:53,603 --> 01:18:59,234
It shows me that wherever he is,
he's not doing too badly.

1347
01:19:01,027 --> 01:19:03,071
This is beautiful. The High Priestess.

1348
01:19:03,155 --> 01:19:04,740
Now this would represent me.

1349
01:19:05,490 --> 01:19:08,577
And it shows that I'm wise enough

1350
01:19:09,244 --> 01:19:11,955
to take the steps
to move forward in my life.

1351
01:19:12,038 --> 01:19:15,208
And I'm to listen to my intuition
and have patience

1352
01:19:15,751 --> 01:19:19,546
and consider carefully
what I want before I act.

1353
01:19:22,799 --> 01:19:25,051
And then the Justice card.

1354
01:19:26,094 --> 01:19:28,346
He's ours.
They're going to get him one day.

1355
01:19:29,890 --> 01:19:31,391
Better times are coming.

1356
01:19:32,768 --> 01:19:33,810
Yes.

1357
01:19:34,770 --> 01:19:37,689
[mellow music playing]

1358
01:19:56,333 --> 01:19:58,460
[Belinda] Justice and revenge.

1359
01:19:58,543 --> 01:20:01,546
Yes, they are just about the same thing.

1360
01:20:01,630 --> 01:20:03,715
One means you can stay in the free world,

1361
01:20:03,799 --> 01:20:06,760
and the other means
you can go sit in the defendant's chair.

1362
01:20:08,470 --> 01:20:11,932
And that's a line I almost crossed myself.

1363
01:20:32,077 --> 01:20:34,579
[reflective music playing]

1364
01:21:50,530 --> 01:21:54,200
[ominous music playing]