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-Could I have a beer?
-[man 1] Of course.

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-Thank you.
-[man 1] I'll get you one.

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-[bottle opening]
-[lid clattering]

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-[siren wailing in distance]
-[liquid pouring]

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[man 1] Why did you agree to meet me?

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[laughing]

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It's an interesting story, and, um…

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I've got a different perspective.

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[brooding music rising]

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[chanting]
Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil! Sieg Heil!

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[man 2] I spent 10 years undercover
in the far right.

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It was so much worse than I thought
it was going to be. Really.

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It was hardcore.

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The first years, especially,
it was like full-on Nazi,

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and people were, like,

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competing to be as radical as possible.

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And there was talk
about starting a race war.

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Yeah, the race war.

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We would come to a time
where we needed to, like, kill people.

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[crowd yelling]

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[man 2] And we'd have hit lists.

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And then, like, you'd have, like,
the bomb makers themselves.

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[crowd shouting]

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[man 2] In the 1990s,
there was trouble in the streets.

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A lot of tension.

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All someone had to do was light a match.

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But we didn't think anyone
was really gonna do it.

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But then one person did.

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[suspenseful music playing]

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[projector clicking]

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[stopwatch ticking]

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[siren wailing]

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[suspenseful music playing]

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[man 3, on recording] This interview
is being tape-recorded.

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I am Detective Sergeant Terrence Boland,

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attached to the Anti-Terrorist branch
at New Scotland Yard.

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The other officer present is…

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[Johnstone]
Detective Constable Philip Johnstone

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from the Anti-Terrorist branch
of New Scotland Yard.

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[Boland] Today is the 1st of May, 1999,

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and the time is now 18:13
according to my watch.

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[machine clicks, whirs]

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[Boland] You know,
the whole idea of us sitting here

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is to get to the truth.

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[suspect]
I'd just be the spark, that's all.

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The spark that would set fire
to this country.

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The thoughts,
they were getting stronger and stronger.

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I just couldn't get it out of my head.

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My destiny, you know?

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Eventually, I woke up one morning,
and I weren't thinking about it anymore.

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I was gonna do it.

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[Johnstone]
When were you intending to blow it up?

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[suspect] Saturday.

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Half past five.

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["Red Alert" by Basement Jaxx playing]

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♪ Red alert, red alert
It's a catastrophe ♪

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♪ But don't worry ♪

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♪ Don't panic ♪

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♪ Ain't nothing going on but history… ♪

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That beautiful morning

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everybody was everywhere,

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the sunshine, Brixton was bubbly,

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and people were doing
their own things.

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[fruit vendor] Peaches, plum, nectarines!
There are strawberries! Come on!

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We got Harrod's fruit
at Woolworth's prices!

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Brixton is amazing place to be.

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It's a historical place to be, you know?

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This is where all the Black people

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came to first in London.

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♪ Don't panic ♪

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People work together,
people live together.

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We knew people from all over the world.

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People selling everything and everywhere,

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getting their penny from where they can.

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[CD vendor] Yeah, that's £2, darling.

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[man 4] We got all the C--
every CD in the charts.

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[man 5] Snoop Dogg…

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[man 4] Michael Jackson, Madonna.

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I actually had an adult film
made by Snoop Dogg.

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Yeah.

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-Pirate it-- But I never watched it.
-We never sold that.

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-We did.
-Didn't think so. All right then.

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[man 4] Sorta Robin Hoods.
In their eyes, we were Robin Hoods,

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but not in Our Price's eyes anyway.
Our Price used to be over the road,

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and we used to say things like,
"This is my price, not Our Price."

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We had a lot of rhymes.

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"Didn't fall off a lorry,
had to jump and get it myself."

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"I don't care if you're in the game
or out the fucking game,

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half the shopping store prices."

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-Really liked that. High-five.
-[laughs]

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-Don't leave it hanging.
-[both laughing]

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[clock beeps]

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[woman 1] Coconut!

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Coconut, coconut, very fresh here.

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We were all there, a happy, lovely day.

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All of a sudden, my neighbor said to me,

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"Wow, Talent, there is a bag here,

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and I can hear the noise."

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I said, "What sound are you hearing?"
He said, "Come and see."

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So, I came out of my stall,

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and it was going… [rhythmically]
"Tinkum, tinkum, tinkum, tinkum, tink--"

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That was just the sound in that black bag.

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[stopwatch ticking]

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[man 4] It could've been gold bullion.
It could've been loads of drugs.

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It could've been loads of money.
It weren't our bag.

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I opened it up, I had my face in it

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and then we're like, "It's a bomb."

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[stopwatch ticking]

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Then it's like, "Is it a bomb?"
I'm not a bomb expert,

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but I knew it was a bomb when I see it.

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And I'd never seen a bomb before.

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It was like a cartoon bomb, you know?

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-Yeah.
-With a clock, ding-a-ling, and all that.

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-So, you kinda just know.
-The alarm clocks with the old bells.

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With the bells on.

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-The round face clock in a Tupperware box.
-It was like that.

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[man 5] And outside-- Coming out the box
was wires, and they were going…

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-[man 4] Into a brown block-- box.
-[man 5] …into a box full of nails.

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I said, "Call the police, call the police"

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because we don't know what was happening
or who kept the bag there,

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because there was nobody there.

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So, I walked back into my stall
by the time--

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to attend to my customers.

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I remember walking off,
going, "I ain't having none of this,"

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and then coming back.

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I remember the guy,

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like, people was going,
"Oh, don't be so stupid."

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"Put it in the bin, wheel it down there,
never happened."

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It was mad--
It was like no one knew what to do.

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[clock beeps]

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No one would believe this story.
I've told this story many times.

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A crackhead took the bomb out of the bag
and nicked the bag.

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"Nah, you're joking me."

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"No way did it happen."

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"Yes, I swear down. It happened, man."

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-Even now there's crackheads--
-The crackhead come from this angle.

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[whistles] He come kind of from, like--

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from around the stall, picked it up.

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At this time, we're going, "Leave
the fucking bag, you nutter. It's a bomb."

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Where he's touching the bomb,
everyone's going, "What are you doing?"

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Everyone can see the bomb now,
he took it out.

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It's there, it's blatantly there,
and he just gradually--

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He just went like that… [clicks tongue]
…took the bag, and walked off up the road.

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He wanted the bag.
He just took the bag. I mean--

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The security guard phoned the police,
the police come over--

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As the police walked over I went,
"That's a bomb."

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-[explosion]
-[high-pitched ringing]

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[people screaming distantly]

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[sirens wailing]

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[officer, on megaphone]
Everyone move back, please! Thank you.

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[crowd clamoring]

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[clamoring continues]

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I don't remember landing
or getting thrown off my feet.

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-All I remember is getting off the floor.
-[man 4] Exactly.

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Just getting off the floor.

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-I could hear you shout at me.
-Yeah.

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-He was screaming out my name.
-That was after.

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[man 5] I found him on a stretcher
underneath, um, a bus stop.

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"I'm over here, Lee."

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[people clamoring]

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I had to dodge…

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under my trolley.

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I didn't think anybody survived,

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because it was like the whole building
collapsed on everybody.

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[explosion]

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[uneasy music playing]

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I got a little nail in the leg.

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I can't believe he didn't get hit.
He was in front. That's mad.

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There's people with, like, limbs missing,
with nails in their head, I thought,

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"Why do I need to waste a stretcher
going to hospital with a nail?"

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-[man 5] They cut his jeans up.
-[Lee] It hit me in the leg.

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So, me mum just bought me these
for me birthday.

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"Don't cut my jeans! My mum got me these
for my birthday." I'll never forget that.

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[Talent] There were glasses
all over the place.

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Because I wasn't hurt,

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I was grateful for that.

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Most people around there,

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there were lots of casualties.

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Everybody were running all over the place

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trying to find out
if their loved ones are safe.

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It was a horror in the day.

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[suspenseful music playing]

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[tape recorder clicks]

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[Johnstone] Did you think
of the consequences?

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[suspect] No.

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On the train,
I just kept imagining it exploding.

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I had to do it.

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I was like a robot.

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[Johnstone] Did you think of the…

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the people?

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[suspect] No.

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Not at all.

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[tense music playing]

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[man 6] Thirty-nine people were injured,

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including a child with a four-inch nail

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embedded in their skull.

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[sirens wailing]

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The combination of burns
and blast injuries

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with severe shrapnel injuries
is a very difficult thing to deal with.

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This bomb was designed

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to kill as many people as possible,

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and it is miraculous
that nobody lost their life on that day.

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The whole design of a nail bomb

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is-- is to do the maximum amount of harm

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to the maximum number of people,
to kill as many people as possible.

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Putting fragments of metal inside a bomb

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and-- and then exploding,

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it's going to carry this metal

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300 miles an hour.

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Nails are accompanied by anything else

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that the blast wave picks up on the way.

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And as it moves through different people,

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it can carry bits of one person

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into another.

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So, you end up with very complex wounds

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where bits of somebody's leg

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can end up… end up in their chest,

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or they can end up in the chest
of the next person.

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We had never seen anything
quite like this before.

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You join me in the heart of Brixton

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where the mood is one of rising anger

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against whoever was responsible
for the nail bomb.

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[man 7] Brixton is a very tense area.

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We just want to sort out
what happened Saturday,

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and we take it from there.

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With me now is Mike Franklin.

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He's from the community police
consultative group.

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Mike, I've seen today how high tensions
are running here.

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Yes, uh, people are angry.

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This was a-- a-- a cowardly,
callous attack on innocent people

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going about their lawful
daily business in Brixton on Saturday.

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Limbs amputated,

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shredding injuries
from-- from-- from nails.

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People that-- deafened, blinded.

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It wasn't a bomb,
a bit of a loud noise down the road.

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This was--
This-this ruined people's lives.

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Police were very, very careful
not to jump to conclusions.

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You know, they wanted to say,
"We're keeping an open mind

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about what the motivation of this is."

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[tense music playing]

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I thought it was a racist attack.

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Instinctively.

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You live--
live down here and that happens,

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and you normally have an idea.

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And you had police officers
saying things to you like, you know,

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"We wanna catch the bomber
as much as you do."

250
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And you'd say to them, "No, no, you don't,
because, like, where do you live?"

251
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"You're not living in an area
that's a target for this."

252
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And the fact that the bomber
didn't kill anybody the first time around,

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there's a possibility he might come back.

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[man 8] You know,
London had had bombings before.

255
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The IRA campaigns, you know,
weren't that distant a memory.

256
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[reporter 1] This morning,
evidence taken from the wrecked building

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is being minutely examined
by the bomb squad.

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One theory is that the attack

259
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was a calculated act of defiance
by the IRA

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after the discovery in Southampton…

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But what we hadn't had experience of

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was a bomb of that type

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in the middle of a pedestrianized
shopping high street.

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[phone ringing]

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Annette, hi. Simon Foy here.

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I was the young,
fresh-faced, inexperienced,

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quite aspiring,

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probably slightly naive

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potential commander to Brixton Division.

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It was the most challenging place
to… to work.

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[uneasy music playing]

272
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It was quite a tense atmosphere.

273
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There was lots and lots of speculation

274
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about what was going on
and who was responsible for it.

275
00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,920
A whole load of reasons
went through my mind.

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We knew there was some gang violence
brewing up,

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and there had been some shootings
fairly recently.

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Was it that?

279
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And people were sort of saying,
"Come on, then…"

280
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You know,
"What are you gonna do about it?"

281
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[man 9] Don't you think, sir, it is time

282
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to come clean and say
you have not got enough police officers

283
00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,200
to do the job that is necessary
within this community?

284
00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,360
[Franklin] People felt under-protected
and over-policed.

285
00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:14,960
We'd all been through
the Brixton riots of '81.

286
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Deaths in custody,
we'd been through all that stuff,

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so a lot of us in the community

288
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weren't that happy or comfortable

289
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working with the police,
'cause we didn't trust them.

290
00:16:25,800 --> 00:16:29,560
[man 10] The police are harassing members
of our community through stop and search.

291
00:16:29,640 --> 00:16:32,480
The police announced
that they're going to swamp our area

292
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because of the bombing.

293
00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,400
[Franklin] Police stop and search was
a real issue when I was young growing up.

294
00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:40,880
Going into Brixton
on a Saturday afternoon with friends,

295
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to record shops, things like that.

296
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One of the things
that would happen most Saturdays

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is you'd be stopped and searched
by the police.

298
00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:50,680
[reporter 2] The senior policeman
who runs this area was telling me

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that the advice he'd give you lot

300
00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,920
is to think seriously
about joining the police force.

301
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-He hasn't got enough--
-[youths laughing]

302
00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:00,680
[Franklin] Friends got taken
to the police station,

303
00:17:00,760 --> 00:17:01,920
come out with bruises,

304
00:17:02,000 --> 00:17:04,920
and they'd tell you they got punched
in the face by a police officer.

305
00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,760
That was-- That was fairly normal.

306
00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:09,080
[crowd shouting]

307
00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,440
Those were the things
that  sowed the seeds of antipathy

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between the community and the police.

309
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Now to the day's other news.

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Detectives investigating
yesterday's bomb explosion

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in Brixton in South London

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say they're keeping an open mind
about who planted the device.

313
00:17:29,800 --> 00:17:32,680
The attack has not been linked
to a known terrorist group.

314
00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:34,560
Were you here last Saturday?

315
00:17:35,120 --> 00:17:37,360
[man 11] We've had lots of people
that have come forward,

316
00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:39,800
uh, but no one has been able to tell us

317
00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:43,080
anything particular, uh, about the bomber
at this moment in time.

318
00:17:44,040 --> 00:17:46,320
[man 12] No one really had a clue
of anything.

319
00:17:46,760 --> 00:17:49,680
Was it a group of people?
Was it one person?

320
00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:51,040
It created real fear.

321
00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,640
The police were not really monitoring
the far right at that time.

322
00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:59,160
They say they were and people
were getting picked up every now and then,

323
00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,880
but there was a mindset at the top
of the security services

324
00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:04,760
saying that the far right
weren't a threat.

325
00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,840
They just wrote about these things,
they weren't going to carry it out.

326
00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,880
You know, just a bunch of hooligans.
Why are we having to look at these people?

327
00:18:15,920 --> 00:18:19,720
Searchlight was
a private intelligence operation.

328
00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:24,040
We infiltrated and monitored
fascist groups.

329
00:18:24,120 --> 00:18:27,640
[crowd chanting] Rights for whites!
Rights for whites!

330
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[man 12]
We'd been warning about it for years.

331
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Terrorist movement
defending the last stand,

332
00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:34,920
taking on the system.

333
00:18:36,080 --> 00:18:38,120
Kind of an underground guerrilla army.

334
00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:41,320
And it was all about terrorism.
All about killing people.

335
00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:43,840
[crowd chanting] Sieg Hiel! Sieg Hiel!

336
00:18:46,360 --> 00:18:48,400
Sieg Hiel! Sieg Hiel! Sieg Hiel!

337
00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:52,800
[man 12] These were dangerous times,
and we wanted to stop these people.

338
00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:57,920
The more we can find out
what they're up to, the more we can…

339
00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:59,360
stop what they're doing,

340
00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:01,960
draw attention to what they're doing.

341
00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:06,840
And then, we were contacted by someone

342
00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:08,640
volunteering to get involved.

343
00:19:09,120 --> 00:19:10,240
Hello, Searchlight.

344
00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:14,560
Said he was a young lad in his early 20s,
who was political,

345
00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:16,200
very, very anti-racist.

346
00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,760
Obviously, from my perspective,
the best thing he could do

347
00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:22,560
was to go inside the far right.

348
00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:25,280
And that's what he did.

349
00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:28,080
[siren wailing in distance]

350
00:19:37,760 --> 00:19:40,760
[man 1] Is it important
to still keep your identity a secret?

351
00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:41,680
[man 2] Yeah.

352
00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:45,080
'Cause, like, these guys
really are dangerous.

353
00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,440
[man 1] And they still believe
that you're a Nazi?

354
00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:51,040
[man 2] Yeah.

355
00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:54,880
[man 1] Why did you do it?

356
00:19:55,480 --> 00:19:57,640
[man 2] I like being a spy. It's, um…

357
00:20:01,360 --> 00:20:03,080
[exhaling]

358
00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:05,040
It's a buzz.

359
00:20:07,400 --> 00:20:09,640
[man 1] Can you start at the beginning,
Arthur?

360
00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:13,640
[Arthur] In 1999,
I was undercover in the BNP.

361
00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:18,000
[Tyndall] For the new century,
we need a new ideal,

362
00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:20,160
a new kind of politics.

363
00:20:20,240 --> 00:20:23,200
[Arthur] The British National Party
was the law and order party.

364
00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:25,080
[Tyndall] We must stop immigration,

365
00:20:25,680 --> 00:20:28,880
and we must help the immigrants
return home.

366
00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:31,920
[Arthur] We projected ourselves
as being decent,

367
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:35,800
honorable, law-abiding citizens.

368
00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,000
We were the good guys.

369
00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:43,000
To build a movement,
which in the coming century

370
00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,360
will put the "great" back into Britain.

371
00:20:46,440 --> 00:20:48,240
[Arthur] But behind that,

372
00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:50,920
you'd be going to, like, a BNP meeting

373
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:54,200
at a church hall or, like,
a back room of a pub.

374
00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:55,880
Fuck off.

375
00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:00,400
[Arthur] And people were, like,
distributing hit lists,

376
00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,200
overtly Nazi propaganda,

377
00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:04,920
bomb manuals.

378
00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,480
It was their dream that someone
would go out and blow up

379
00:21:09,960 --> 00:21:12,240
someone they've suggested to target.

380
00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:14,240
So, it was pretty extreme.

381
00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:20,160
My assumption was

382
00:21:20,240 --> 00:21:22,680
that they'd keep the Nazi thing

383
00:21:22,760 --> 00:21:25,120
out of the way for new recruits,

384
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,400
but straight away they were saying
killing Jews was a good thing.

385
00:21:29,320 --> 00:21:31,640
-[man 1] First day?
-[Arthur] First day, yeah.

386
00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:33,400
[man 1] What did you think?

387
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:37,120
[Arthur] The thing was, I was shocked.
I was scared, but I was also excited.

388
00:21:37,600 --> 00:21:41,480
And also, like, the fact
that they were so overtly Nazi,

389
00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:45,680
that's more reason to carry on, isn't it?

390
00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,240
[man 1] Did you feel people
were checking you out?

391
00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:50,800
Were they sussing you out?

392
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,320
[Arthur] Not really, no.

393
00:21:52,400 --> 00:21:54,520
I guess they were thinking that

394
00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,520
why wouldn't any white man
want to join their organization?

395
00:21:58,520 --> 00:22:00,520
-[crowd shouting]
-[car alarm blaring]

396
00:22:03,600 --> 00:22:06,840
[Arthur] Obviously, the anti-fascists
had no idea I was on their side.

397
00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:09,440
So, there were a few times I got whacked.

398
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,120
The worst time was actually--
It was, like, a girl,

399
00:22:13,200 --> 00:22:17,200
and, um, like, she was smashing me
over the head with, I think, a hammer.

400
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:21,680
This was my reality.

401
00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:24,680
[unsettling music playing]

402
00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:33,800
[suspenseful music playing]

403
00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:42,520
[tape recorder clicks]

404
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:49,040
[Boland] What do you believe in, son?

405
00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,360
[suspect] We've got so many
poor white people in this country.

406
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:54,800
You get all this bullshit,

407
00:22:54,880 --> 00:22:57,200
everything has to be equal,
everything this…

408
00:22:57,800 --> 00:22:59,000
It just puts white--

409
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,200
It demeans the white man
in this country now.

410
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:03,320
People like me.

411
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:07,480
[Boland] So, you wanted
to put some bombs down?

412
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:10,280
[suspect] Yeah, yeah. As many as I could.

413
00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:12,800
One a week.

414
00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,040
[Johnstone] Why did you put nails in them?

415
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:25,640
[suspect] It means they'd smash windows,
stick into people, and maim people.

416
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:29,720
And kill people.

417
00:23:29,800 --> 00:23:31,840
[somber music playing]

418
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,600
[stopwatch ticking]

419
00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:00,640
[brooding music playing]

420
00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:04,440
[clock beeps]

421
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:18,400
[recorder playing scale]

422
00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,760
[explosion]

423
00:24:25,840 --> 00:24:27,560
[car alarm blaring]

424
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,720
-[crowd screaming]
-[car alarm blaring]

425
00:24:54,840 --> 00:24:56,840
[sirens wailing]

426
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:08,760
[reporter 3] The second weekend
in the capital,

427
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:12,240
it appears that ethnic communities
have once again been targeted

428
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:14,440
in an attack without any warning.

429
00:25:14,520 --> 00:25:16,360
[reporter 4] Brick Lane
is sealed off tonight,

430
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:17,840
and as well as a sense of shock,

431
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,600
there's also a sense of relief
that nobody was actually killed.

432
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,520
This strikes at the heart
of the-- the Bengali community.

433
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,600
We have a problem,
which is tantamount to racial terrorism.

434
00:25:26,680 --> 00:25:28,720
[camera shutters clicking]

435
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:32,680
These things are… are outrageous,
that we will not tolerate,

436
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,480
and we'll make every effort
to find out who-- those responsible.

437
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,360
They'll be prosecuted
and brought to justice.

438
00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:39,480
No doubt about that.

439
00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,720
With me is Siddy Shivdasani,
who's the editor of Eastern Eye newspaper.

440
00:25:44,360 --> 00:25:47,560
We've received, uh, death threats
even today at our offices.

441
00:25:48,120 --> 00:25:50,320
We actually warned our readers last week.

442
00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:53,040
if you live in a Black or Asian area
to be aware.

443
00:25:53,120 --> 00:25:54,960
Whilst politicians and the police

444
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,320
were dithering about
whether it was a racial crime,

445
00:25:57,400 --> 00:26:00,080
in the meantime,
they were planning their next attack.

446
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,960
[Shivdasani] I was just trying
to get my message out there

447
00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:07,120
of my personal frustration
with the police.

448
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,800
You know, try and do the right thing.

449
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,240
That's what I was trying to do then,
to do the right thing.

450
00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:17,680
I was editor of a British Asian paper
at the time.

451
00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:21,880
We faced a fair bit of racism.

452
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:26,240
[scoffs] Oh, you just got
used to it after a while,

453
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:30,320
and it was just a bit mindless, really.

454
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:33,760
But then we got this letter.

455
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:40,000
It was from some group called
the White Wolves.

456
00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:47,040
I knew that an Asian area
was gonna be targeted next. I felt it.

457
00:26:47,560 --> 00:26:51,360
But the police gave us no advice
to look for anything suspicious

458
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,560
or to be vigilant. Nothing.

459
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:56,640
We felt like they didn't give a fuck.

460
00:26:57,640 --> 00:26:59,600
[news jingle playing]

461
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,840
The homemade bomb
that exploded in South London on Saturday

462
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,040
seemed to have been an act of lunacy.

463
00:27:05,120 --> 00:27:07,920
Tonight, you can help, and this is how.

464
00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:11,720
This is the quantity of nails
packed around the explosives.

465
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,080
Who bought this lot?

466
00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,320
It wasn't a regular customer,
wasn't a regular builder.

467
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:17,800
Who came in
for this sort of quantity of nails?

468
00:27:18,360 --> 00:27:21,120
Alan Fry is head
of the Anti-Terrorist branch.

469
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,320
Alan, has it taken you any further,
what you've got so far? Do you know?

470
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:25,600
I'm-- I'm sure it has,

471
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:30,760
although it's-- it's too soon,
uh, to be able to, uh, be particular

472
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,800
in regard to a--
a particular line of inquiry.

473
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:38,480
Well, if there's any way that you think
you can help, please, please do.

474
00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:41,000
There's a £10,000 reward. That may go up.

475
00:27:48,000 --> 00:27:51,600
[woman 2] There weren't many
serial killers in this country,

476
00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:54,720
let alone there'd never been
a serial bomber.

477
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:57,800
You know, people were afraid.

478
00:27:58,760 --> 00:27:59,920
People were afraid.

479
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,080
[tense music playing]

480
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,720
I was the senior investigating officer.

481
00:28:08,520 --> 00:28:10,800
The responsibility was huge.

482
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:15,360
I had no experience
in-- in terrorism investigation.

483
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:19,480
It brought the pressure to a different--
a completely different level.

484
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,640
[reporter 5] Police are viewing
hours of tape

485
00:28:22,720 --> 00:28:24,520
from closed-circuit TV cameras

486
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,880
in the hope that the person
who planted the device

487
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:30,360
will have been caught on film
and someone may recognize them.

488
00:28:30,840 --> 00:28:34,320
The quality of the CCTV in 1999

489
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,400
wasn't great.

490
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:40,320
However, we started to find images

491
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,400
that-- that might be the bomber.

492
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,160
There was someone
wearing a white baseball cap

493
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,560
who was carrying over their shoulder

494
00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:52,880
what appeared to be a sports bag.

495
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,840
The only difficulty was

496
00:28:55,920 --> 00:28:57,800
he wasn't recognizable.

497
00:28:58,560 --> 00:29:00,520
We went to all sorts
of different agencies.

498
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:04,160
We even went to the Americans
and-- and the military.

499
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,400
I mean, we sent it out there hoping,

500
00:29:06,480 --> 00:29:09,240
uh, that-- that someone could enhance it.

501
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:12,240
Um, they couldn't.

502
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,680
We had to just keep looking.

503
00:29:17,440 --> 00:29:19,760
I started working with the police.

504
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,520
I mean, I did joint press conferences.

505
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:25,480
So, when they produced this picture
of an individual

506
00:29:26,120 --> 00:29:27,440
who may be the bomber,

507
00:29:27,520 --> 00:29:30,920
there was arguments with me
about whether it should be published.

508
00:29:31,000 --> 00:29:32,880
Because it's grainy.

509
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,240
Um, it's an inconclusive picture.

510
00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:40,840
My view was, "No. If that was a member
of somebody's family, they'd know it."

511
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,280
"Put it out now. Put it out today."

512
00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,280
"We can't do that."

513
00:29:45,360 --> 00:29:46,320
[clears throat]

514
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:49,080
I said, "Well, while you're prevaricating,

515
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,480
the bomber is preparing the next bomb."

516
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,160
"It's urgent. Put it out now."

517
00:29:54,680 --> 00:29:56,080
"Don't waste time."

518
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:57,680
"What are you gonna say to me

519
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,440
if a bomb goes off while we're here
having this conversation?"

520
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,240
"And I'm telling people
that you could've stopped it."

521
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:05,320
"Put the fucking picture out."

522
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:07,560
But nobody did.

523
00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:19,800
[man 12] Police were coming to us,
"Had we heard anything?

524
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,280
What was our view?"

525
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,080
We were asking people the same questions.

526
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:28,160
Who's going to be targeted next?
Are people gonna get killed?

527
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:31,960
By that stage, people were taking credit
for it around the country. White Wolves.

528
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:34,560
There were letters were being circulated
out of the East Midlands.

529
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,760
We went into overdrive.
I remember at the time, it was like

530
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:41,120
24/7 trying to figure out who could it be.

531
00:30:41,200 --> 00:30:45,600
Drawing up lists, who-who… who could
have been doing this sort of thing?

532
00:30:46,560 --> 00:30:48,400
No-- no one had heard anything.

533
00:30:48,480 --> 00:30:50,480
[somber music playing]

534
00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,920
[man 1] What were you doing
to try and find the bomber?

535
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:00,480
I was just finding people.

536
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,080
Pretending, first of all,
that I was happy,

537
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,680
and I was saying, like,
"Any idea who it is?"

538
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:07,760
That sort of thing.

539
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:09,880
But no one had a clue.

540
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:12,480
No one had a clue.

541
00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:18,800
It's quite difficult to be in a situation
where you're… you're spying on people

542
00:31:19,280 --> 00:31:23,120
and you-- you try to switch that-- that,

543
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,400
like, the voices off in your head,

544
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,800
but it's not easy.

545
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:31,040
I--

546
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,680
I became immune to-- to the racism

547
00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:36,240
and the fascism.

548
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:41,600
We'd-- we'd-- we'd look up to… heroes

549
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:44,880
within our movement,
like the Waffen SS,

550
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,680
Hitler, of course.

551
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,400
For a racist,
it was an inspiring environment.

552
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,560
[man 1] Did you feel yourself
being brainwashed?

553
00:31:56,640 --> 00:31:59,080
[Arthur] I'd love to say I thought
it was all bullshit.

554
00:31:59,920 --> 00:32:00,760
But--

555
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:02,800
Yeah, definitely.

556
00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,880
Yeah, they indoctrinated me. Yeah.

557
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:06,400
It was like you--

558
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,680
Yes, I doubted the Holocaust happened.

559
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,440
And I was even thinking

560
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:17,520
that maybe I was naive

561
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:21,640
if I followed the mainstream view

562
00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:24,280
that it did happen.

563
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:28,400
If they can get inside my head,

564
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,360
imagine what it was doing to other people.

565
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:34,880
-Come on!
-[crowd shouting]

566
00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:36,600
When you're ready!

567
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,360
[crowd chanting]
Rights for whites! Rights for whites!

568
00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:47,440
When you were in that bubble,

569
00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:50,480
you were with like-minded people.

570
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,480
They had the same grievances as you,

571
00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,520
they had the same background as you,
a lot of them.

572
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,800
You were, like, insulated from reality.

573
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:01,480
I was part of it back then.

574
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,160
This is our country!

575
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:07,400
Our own race traitors,

576
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,240
who are trying to destroy this country,

577
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,120
they are the enemy!

578
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,880
[crowd cheering]

579
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,120
[man 14] A guy called John Tyndall
was our leader.

580
00:33:18,200 --> 00:33:21,880
He was a very high-profile
right-wing politician at the time.

581
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,320
Tyndall was a magnet for misfits,

582
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,280
lunatics, and losers, really.

583
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:29,240
That's what he wanted,

584
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:31,600
'cause he could… he could control 'em.

585
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,960
He would never say,
"Go out and blow people up,"

586
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:39,400
or "Attack people,"
but he was very clever with words.

587
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:45,640
His speeches were quite rousing,
you know.

588
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:50,840
We will fight on, work on,
march on, and struggle on

589
00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:54,200
to build a country for which they died

590
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:57,360
and give Britain back
to the British people!

591
00:33:57,440 --> 00:33:59,960
[crowd applauding and cheering]

592
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,280
[man 14] We used to go
to different meetings,

593
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,080
and they were always in pubs.

594
00:34:06,160 --> 00:34:09,040
And so, you had all these
violent young men,

595
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:10,760
intoxicated,

596
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:15,560
being told that they're being threatened
by these hordes of immigrants,

597
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:20,840
and they're gonna murder you in your beds
and rape your wife and eat your children.

598
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:22,680
[crowd shouting]

599
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,880
[man 14] After the meeting,
there would always be violence.

600
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,560
-[rioter] Come on then, you wanker!
-[cheering]

601
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,720
Are you all right? Can I get vitals?

602
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,800
[man 14] You've got this rage
inside you all the time, and…

603
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,560
anger and frustration,

604
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:45,560
and then it just--

605
00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:48,680
You can-- you can spew it all out.
You know what I mean?

606
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,400
You can vent it on someone else.

607
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:56,960
I remember after one particular meeting,

608
00:34:57,520 --> 00:34:58,720
I had a transit van.

609
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:01,320
It toured the area

610
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,160
and dragged Black people off the street.

611
00:35:05,680 --> 00:35:07,120
Kidnapped them, basically,

612
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:11,640
and they were subjected
to some pretty awful violence.

613
00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:17,440
If the BNP didn't have that meeting
in the pub…

614
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,480
and tell everyone that
they were under threat and in danger,

615
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,120
they wouldn't have gone out
attacking people.

616
00:35:25,200 --> 00:35:29,600
You know, they-they incited them to do it,
and then they'd wipe their mouth

617
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:30,880
and go home to his…

618
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,040
million-pound pile in Surrey
or wherever it was and…

619
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,320
we'd go back to our shitholes
in Stockwell, you know what I mean?

620
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:39,320
Job done, then.

621
00:35:39,400 --> 00:35:41,040
That's-- that's how it happens.

622
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:43,840
That's how they manipulate people
and use people, and--

623
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,960
Yeah, I've done some pretty…
pretty shit things, really.

624
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,200
Really bad things.

625
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:56,880
[machine whirring]

626
00:36:06,880 --> 00:36:09,760
[Johnstone] When did this come
into your head that you wanted to do this?

627
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:12,280
[suspect] Oh, don't know. A few years ago.

628
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,120
[Boland] 'Cause you're only 22 now, right?

629
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:17,400
[suspect] Yeah, so I was about 20.

630
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,640
[Boland]
You've heard in the newspaper, no doubt,

631
00:36:19,720 --> 00:36:23,080
and it's been printed, about this White…
White Wolves organization.

632
00:36:24,240 --> 00:36:27,080
[suspect] I don't know who they are.
I-I don't know who they are.

633
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:28,560
I-I don't care who they are.

634
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:31,280
[Boland] So, they would have
no idea who you are?

635
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,240
[suspect] No. No idea at all.

636
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:35,720
[Boland] So their claims
are purely fictional?

637
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:36,720
[suspect] Made up.

638
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,760
Just trying to, you know, take my glory.

639
00:36:40,240 --> 00:36:42,320
[machine clicks, whirring]

640
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:48,120
[suspect] My aim was political.
To cause a racial war in this country.

641
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:50,640
[unsettling music playing]

642
00:36:50,720 --> 00:36:52,120
[Johnstone] What does that mean?

643
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,320
[suspect] There'll be the uprising
and all that.

644
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,120
You know, the racial violence
in the street, whatever.

645
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,160
[Johnstone]
What was your intention at that point?

646
00:37:01,240 --> 00:37:04,040
[suspect] I was thinking of a target
I was gonna blow up.

647
00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:07,560
[Johnstone] Had you decided at this time
where you were going to put the bomb?

648
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:08,880
[suspect] Yeah.

649
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:09,880
Soho.

650
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:16,960
[reporter 6] Two bomb attacks in London

651
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,840
have understandably led to fears
in the capital that there is more to come.

652
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:23,400
Racists, we are told,
were probably behind the bombs,

653
00:37:23,480 --> 00:37:25,840
and they probably
intend to strike again.

654
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,400
["Alice From Above"
by Dave Antrell playing]

655
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,960
♪ Alice from above ♪

656
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:39,120
♪ Has a face that makes you
Want to fall in love ♪

657
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:40,840
♪ Fall in love ♪

658
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:44,720
♪ All I wanted is a… ♪

659
00:37:45,600 --> 00:37:49,360
[man 15] Nobody knew which community
was gonna be targeted next.

660
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:51,800
Would it be the Chinese community?

661
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:53,840
Would it be the Jewish community?

662
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:56,840
There was a lot of discussion.

663
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:01,600
But the early conversations
were all about race, all about ethnicity.

664
00:38:01,680 --> 00:38:04,520
Nobody was thinking about, uh, the fact

665
00:38:04,600 --> 00:38:06,640
that this could go wider
to the gay community.

666
00:38:06,720 --> 00:38:08,720
[dance music playing]

667
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:17,880
[man 15] The visible part
of the gay community was in Soho,

668
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,400
and probably Old Compton Street.

669
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,440
You could kind of barhop

670
00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:26,560
from one bar or one gay venue to another.

671
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:29,800
They were thriving, they were energetic,

672
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,480
they were full of life.

673
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:34,480
It felt very free.

674
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,560
It felt as if you could be in those spaces
and be yourself.

675
00:38:38,640 --> 00:38:40,640
[dance music continues]

676
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:49,520
When the second bomb went off,
things became very clear very quickly.

677
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:53,360
This was somebody who hated difference.

678
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,240
They hate people who are different,

679
00:38:56,320 --> 00:39:00,400
who-- who don't fit their perception
of normal society.

680
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,080
We began having conversations
with the police at quite a senior level.

681
00:39:06,560 --> 00:39:09,640
We were told that it was a--
a racial issue.

682
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:14,840
And we raised our concerns,
and it was met with some skepticism

683
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,120
and some disbelief at Scotland Yard.

684
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:20,600
So it was really pretty much down to us

685
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,800
to ring round the managers
of the key venues,

686
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:28,680
the pubs, the clubs, the coffee bars,
the restaurants, to say…

687
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,320
"This could come to us.
Please be aware. Be vigilant."

688
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,680
[suspenseful music playing]

689
00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:42,440
We will defeat the people
who are responsible for these bombs.

690
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:43,560
We will catch them.

691
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:48,320
We don't have specific corroboration
for any particular group,

692
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,200
uh, who are responsible
for these outrages,

693
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:56,360
but clearly, it is--
it is most likely to be, um,

694
00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:00,320
far-right extremists
who are targeting minority groups.

695
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:04,480
[man 12] Everyone was kind of blind to it,
'cause no one knew where it was coming.

696
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:06,680
But everyone was expecting
for it to happen.

697
00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,520
I'd meet Arthur in places
where we thought

698
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,520
other people who knew him
or knew me wouldn't be.

699
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:17,640
Tourist hotels in London,

700
00:40:17,720 --> 00:40:19,440
meet outside London.

701
00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:21,640
He understood what his mission was.

702
00:40:21,720 --> 00:40:24,640
And he understood
that he had to stop them.

703
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,520
[Arthur] I'd meet my contact

704
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:31,520
and go through all these names
of people I knew already…

705
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:35,560
and mentioned this guy

706
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,280
who I'd referred to as "Dave from Barking"

707
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:42,080
because he-- he mentioned
that was where… where he was living.

708
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:45,800
We were a similar sort of age,

709
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:47,800
bonded a little bit,

710
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,560
talked about music

711
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:56,920
and the fact he didn't like people
with brown faces very much.

712
00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,680
I last saw him at the annual rally

713
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,720
when, um, he was acting like a-a steward.

714
00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,640
He had, like, a steward's armband.
He stood next to John Tyndall.

715
00:41:10,920 --> 00:41:14,840
I think Tyndall got quite badly beaten up
by anti-fascists.

716
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:21,960
After that, Dave just, like, disappeared.

717
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:24,240
And I didn't think anything of him.

718
00:41:24,720 --> 00:41:26,280
[projector clicking]

719
00:41:26,360 --> 00:41:28,360
[uneasy music playing]

720
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:33,120
[tape recorder clicks, whirring]

721
00:41:36,200 --> 00:41:38,880
[suspect] After Saturday at Brick Lane,

722
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:41,440
I got a taxi to Soho to do a bit of recon.

723
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,120
[Johnstone] Roughly what time
would this have been?

724
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:46,680
[suspect] Must've been about 7:00.

725
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,800
[Johnstone] Right. So, what was
your intention at that point?

726
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:52,080
[suspect] I was thinking what pub
I was gonna blow up.

727
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:57,800
I went down to Old Compton Street.

728
00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,000
I wanted to make sure it was the right pub
'cause I was after a queer one.

729
00:42:02,720 --> 00:42:04,720
A gay one or whatever you wanna call it.

730
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,000
[Boland] Have you got a problem
with gays, then?

731
00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,000
-[suspect] Yeah, I have.
-[Boland] Why?

732
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:15,400
[suspect] I'm just very homophobic.

733
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:18,480
That's pretty-- You know, I just hate 'em.

734
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:19,400
[Johnstone] Why?

735
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,480
[suspect] I don't know. You just do.

736
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,160
[Johnstone] There must be a reason.

737
00:42:23,240 --> 00:42:25,200
[suspect] I got a thing about homosexuals.

738
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:29,280
I just don't like talking about it,
you know what I mean?

739
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,560
I chose the gays 'cause I hate them.

740
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:37,640
You know? I mean, that was personal.

741
00:42:41,760 --> 00:42:45,480
[Johnstone] The tape doesn't pick this up,
but when we speak to you about the gays,

742
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:50,440
you-- you have to close your eyes,
and you seem quite intense there, David.

743
00:42:50,520 --> 00:42:52,240
[David] Yeah. I just don't like them.

744
00:42:54,240 --> 00:42:56,040
I just don't like them, yeah?

745
00:42:56,120 --> 00:42:57,840
[stopwatch ticking]

746
00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,080
I'm completely straight.
Don't worry about that.

747
00:43:01,680 --> 00:43:05,240
[Johnstone] No, no, no.
It's not a problem, but it upsets you.

748
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,680
You know? I don't know why it upsets you.

749
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:12,320
It upset you enough to plant a bomb.

750
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:15,200
But I don't know why.

751
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,760
[unsettling music playing]

752
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,600
[reporter 7] After the two
Saturday afternoon bombings in London,

753
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:34,040
police forces around the country
are warning people

754
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:37,520
who could be potential targets
to be vigilant this weekend.

755
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:40,280
Detectives fear the Brick Lane
and Brixton bombs

756
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:43,320
could be the start of a nationwide
racist terror campaign.

757
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:46,200
Police say they don't want to spread panic

758
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,840
but want everyone to be aware
of the possible threat

759
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,320
of another bomb this bank holiday weekend.

760
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:52,800
[suspenseful music playing]

761
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:18,200
[Foy] There were two things
that drew attention to the suspect.

762
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,360
Instead of looking at thousands of people,

763
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:26,720
your job is to look at all those thousands
of people who might be carrying a bag.

764
00:44:29,320 --> 00:44:34,840
And then once that bag was found,
then there was the hat he was wearing.

765
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:40,320
But there was hundreds and hundreds
and hundreds and hundreds of hours.

766
00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:52,080
[woman 2] At first, the images were so bad
you couldn't tell who it was.

767
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:59,640
But then we started to find other images
that were clearer.

768
00:45:01,120 --> 00:45:04,680
The guys were straight down at my office.
"Boss, you've gotta see this."

769
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:09,960
[Foy] I distinctly remember that moment.

770
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,560
Here's the image. This is the bomber.

771
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:18,480
[thrilling music playing]

772
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,840
[reporter 8] Before rush hour,
it was on posters at stations

773
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,160
and other key locations
across the capital.

774
00:45:24,240 --> 00:45:26,440
The images have been posted
on the internet

775
00:45:26,520 --> 00:45:29,400
and are being sent
to every police force in the country.

776
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,440
[reporter 9] Even though the police
suspect he may be behind the bombing,

777
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:35,120
if he's watching this broadcast

778
00:45:35,200 --> 00:45:38,120
and he honestly thinks he's innocent,
then he should come forward.

779
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:39,800
[tape recorder clicks, whirring]

780
00:45:39,880 --> 00:45:42,160
[David] I heard on the radio
that you had pictures of me.

781
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,080
And at first, I thought,
"That's it. I'm caught."

782
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:49,960
So, I've immediately gone straight home,
and I've realized I ain't been caught yet.

783
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,920
I built my device, set the time,
I packed it all up.

784
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:00,760
Waited till about half past four,
caught a taxi up to Soho.

785
00:46:02,000 --> 00:46:04,960
[Johnstone] What time did you set
the timer up for the Soho bomb?

786
00:46:06,120 --> 00:46:07,080
[David] Six thirty.

787
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:21,520
[clock beeps]

788
00:46:30,640 --> 00:46:32,000
[man 16] It was my day off.

789
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:36,360
I think I'd been to a gallery,
and I was on my way home.

790
00:46:37,680 --> 00:46:39,240
And it was a Friday,

791
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:42,640
beginning of a-- a holiday weekend.
The weather was glorious.

792
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:45,840
I think maybe it was late afternoon.

793
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:52,760
There were people finishing work,
there was an-- an air of gaiety

794
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:54,840
and, you know,
it was like a holiday weekend.

795
00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:56,160
There was an atmosphere.

796
00:46:56,680 --> 00:47:00,040
And I'd been into the Admiral Duncan
once before, I think.

797
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:03,120
Um, didn't really remember it
all that well,

798
00:47:03,200 --> 00:47:05,320
and I was passing by, and I thought,

799
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:06,600
"Fancy a half a beer."

800
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,680
It was a small pub. Narrow.

801
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,640
And it-it was sort of beginning
to be buzzing.

802
00:47:15,720 --> 00:47:17,920
You know?
And people were arriving all the time.

803
00:47:18,520 --> 00:47:20,520
[suspenseful music playing]

804
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:24,880
[Arthur] It was a Friday afternoon.

805
00:47:25,720 --> 00:47:32,400
And I had heard the police
had identified footage from Brixton.

806
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:34,880
I saw copies of the Evening Standard.

807
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:40,040
Pretty much straight away, I thought
that it might be Dave from Barking.

808
00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:45,120
And then my contact at Searchlight phoned,

809
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:48,560
and I just said,

810
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,800
"It could be David Copeland."

811
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:54,880
[Foy] We started going through
our own records,

812
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,600
all the stuff that Arthur
had told us over the years,

813
00:47:57,680 --> 00:48:00,600
and, you know, there we found
Copeland's name

814
00:48:00,680 --> 00:48:03,560
in a number of different meetings,
a number of different events.

815
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,640
So a colleague of mine
contacted the police.

816
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:09,400
[clock beeps]

817
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,360
[siren wailing]

818
00:48:12,440 --> 00:48:14,360
[suspenseful music rising]

819
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,000
[David] Looked at my watch.
I still had, what?

820
00:48:18,600 --> 00:48:20,320
An hour to go before the ignition?

821
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,560
I sort of waited by the telephone box,

822
00:48:23,640 --> 00:48:26,000
making it look
like I was waiting for the phone.

823
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:29,840
I went in there about I'd say ten--

824
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:31,200
ten to six.

825
00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:34,080
Ordered a drink.

826
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,200
When I was in there, I seen the people
I was gonna maim and kill.

827
00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:41,600
I didn't feel joy about it.

828
00:48:41,680 --> 00:48:42,960
I didn't feel sad.

829
00:48:44,360 --> 00:48:45,920
I just didn't feel anything.

830
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:54,560
[Johnstone] And how long were you here for
at the end of the bar, you said?

831
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,200
[David] Fifteen minutes. Twenty minutes.

832
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:00,560
[Johnstone] Is that right?
You had a glass of Coke or something?

833
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,240
[David] A glass of Coke.

834
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:06,640
I left it there and I asked one of the men
in there if there was a bank nearby.

835
00:49:06,720 --> 00:49:09,360
[Johnstone] And this is just as you left,
was it now?

836
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:10,800
-[David] Yeah.
-[Johnstone] Yeah.

837
00:49:12,240 --> 00:49:15,160
[Boland] How many people
were actually in the public house

838
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,960
when you actually put the bag down?
Do you remember?

839
00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,920
[David] Between 15 to 20 people.

840
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:28,480
I struggled to actually
get out of the place.

841
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,840
I had to go around people
and ask them to move.

842
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,320
I knew that people would be killed,
but I had to do it.

843
00:49:39,960 --> 00:49:40,800
[clock beeps]

844
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:43,120
[dance music playing distantly]

845
00:49:44,720 --> 00:49:46,600
[man 16]
The noise level was getting louder.

846
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:49,080
Ordered the beer.

847
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,120
I don't know whether I even sipped it.

848
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:58,960
-And then…
-[snaps fingers]

849
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:00,160
[music stops suddenly]

850
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,400
[high-pitched ringing]

851
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:12,680
I couldn't hear anything.

852
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:15,840
Something's really strange.

853
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:17,240
I felt really strange.

854
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:19,640
Everything switched off.

855
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:23,000
I don't feel right.

856
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:29,400
And I think that I was still
leaning on… on the bar.

857
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:35,920
And I looked across to where the optics
and-- and-- and things--

858
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:39,240
and the bottles should have been,
and there was nothing.

859
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,760
Just darkness, wisps of smoke,

860
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:44,120
and nobody.

861
00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:47,200
I-I couldn't see anybody,
couldn't hear anything.

862
00:50:48,080 --> 00:50:51,200
And I can remember turning

863
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,880
to-- to look to see what was going on,

864
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:57,640
and then the next memory is of being…

865
00:50:58,360 --> 00:51:01,280
looking up at a-- a young woman,

866
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:05,640
and I could see her mouth opening
and closing, screaming, I think.

867
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:09,040
[somber music playing]

868
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:39,560
I learnt later, if you're in a bomb,
your eardrums get blown.

869
00:51:43,240 --> 00:51:46,040
I think that I was dragged outside
and there was a guy

870
00:51:46,120 --> 00:51:50,160
who was with me and--
who said that I was talking to him.

871
00:51:50,240 --> 00:51:52,320
I could tell him where I came from.

872
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:57,080
I don't remember any of that.
None. None of it.

873
00:52:06,720 --> 00:52:08,160
I was taken to hospital.

874
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:12,400
They didn't know whether I was gonna live.

875
00:52:18,720 --> 00:52:20,800
They had me on some pretty strong drugs.

876
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,800
And I remember, sort of, dreaming
and things like that

877
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:29,480
while they were altering, um,
the level of-- of pain medication.

878
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:34,840
I was having this dream about being
in a nightclub, and everybody was rats.

879
00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:38,720
And the rats were dressed
as human beings.

880
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:39,880
[eerie music playing]

881
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,440
There were rats in the wall.
I could hear them.

882
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:46,840
There was a-- a biplane.

883
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,640
You know, one of those planes
that goes onto the water?

884
00:52:49,720 --> 00:52:52,800
That arrived at the… at the nightclub.

885
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:55,600
Rats, rats, and more rats.

886
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:57,440
[rats squeaking]

887
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:05,960
[liquid pouring]

888
00:53:15,320 --> 00:53:19,280
I learned later that, um, Copeland
had let his rats--

889
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:20,480
He had pet rats.

890
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:26,080
And he let them, um, run across the stuff
that he was packing the nail bombs with.

891
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:30,680
And, um, so, from what I can tell,

892
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:32,960
the guys that were
in the same hospital as me,

893
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:34,800
um, we all got these weird infections,

894
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:37,080
and they couldn't figure out
what was wrong with us.

895
00:53:37,160 --> 00:53:39,760
And it was all because
he let these rats…

896
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:43,160
you know, like, urinate and defecate

897
00:53:43,240 --> 00:53:45,760
all over whatever it was
that he was jamming in there.

898
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,320
-[sirens wailing]
-[somber music playing]

899
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:02,880
[man 6] As these patients
came in one at a time,

900
00:54:04,080 --> 00:54:10,080
we began to realize
just how serious this was.

901
00:54:10,560 --> 00:54:13,560
They had quite horrific injuries.

902
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,760
This was like a war scene.

903
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,880
Patients came in with extensive burns,

904
00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:23,280
unconscious,

905
00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:26,400
one after another.

906
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:38,520
And perhaps the most difficult thing
I've had to do in my career

907
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:43,160
was dealing with a patient
who had come in unconscious,

908
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,680
and he remained unconscious
for a few days.

909
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:51,880
As he came round gradually,

910
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,360
we realized that we had to speak to him

911
00:54:55,440 --> 00:54:59,040
to give him the worst possible news.

912
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:03,880
Two friends had both died

913
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:10,560
and tragically his wife and unborn child

914
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,040
had also been killed.

915
00:55:16,720 --> 00:55:19,200
[somber music playing]

916
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,440
It's been revealed that a pregnant woman
and the best man at her wedding

917
00:55:38,520 --> 00:55:40,840
were among the three people killed
in the explosion.

918
00:55:42,240 --> 00:55:44,200
Andrea Dykes was killed almost instantly.

919
00:55:44,280 --> 00:55:47,760
Her husband, Julian,
is in a critical condition in hospital.

920
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,920
[Arthur] I was at home when I heard.

921
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:11,080
It was just complete shock.

922
00:56:13,400 --> 00:56:14,960
And helplessness.

923
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:21,160
You know, we were--

924
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:25,040
We were, uh, close,

925
00:56:25,120 --> 00:56:27,120
um, in terms of--

926
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:31,280
You know, we felt we were getting
very close to catching the perpetrator.

927
00:56:31,360 --> 00:56:32,680
[siren wailing]

928
00:56:33,520 --> 00:56:37,600
We'd tracked down a-- an address
that he was possibly living at.

929
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,720
[siren continues wailing]

930
00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:50,600
[machine clicks, whirring]

931
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,360
[David] Honestly, I wanted to get caught.

932
00:56:55,440 --> 00:56:56,280
[Boland] Why?

933
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:00,440
[David] I'd be famous in some sort of way.

934
00:57:01,240 --> 00:57:03,320
[Johnstone] And what does fame
mean to you?

935
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:05,960
[David] It's existence.

936
00:57:07,480 --> 00:57:09,680
[Johnstone] What's that mean?
I-I don't understand.

937
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,920
[David] If no one remembers who you were,
you never existed.

938
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:15,960
[Johnstone] All right.

939
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:21,920
It would be remiss of us not to ask…

940
00:57:22,840 --> 00:57:24,080
why you did it?

941
00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:29,920
[David] To spread fear,
resentment, and hatred.

942
00:57:34,480 --> 00:57:35,560
I am a Nazi.

943
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:37,200
I admit that.

944
00:57:38,480 --> 00:57:39,320
Yeah.

945
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:43,200
[machine buzzing]

946
00:57:43,280 --> 00:57:44,600
[Boland] David, that is the buzzer

947
00:57:44,680 --> 00:57:46,360
indicating that the tape
is about to finish,

948
00:57:46,440 --> 00:57:48,560
so we will finish at this moment in time.

949
00:57:49,440 --> 00:57:50,680
[machine stops whirring]

950
00:57:55,000 --> 00:57:56,320
Yes, ladies and gentlemen,

951
00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:59,320
in the early hours
of Saturday the 1st of May,

952
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:03,320
unarmed officers from
the Organized Crime squad Flying Squad

953
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:07,400
arrested a 22-year-old man
in Cove, Hampshire.

954
00:58:07,480 --> 00:58:09,480
[ominous music playing]

955
00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,400
[man 17] The man is not a member

956
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:22,080
of any of the groups
which have made claims of responsibility

957
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:23,240
for the bombings.

958
00:58:23,320 --> 00:58:26,720
It is understood that he was working alone

959
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:28,480
for his own motives.

960
00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:45,360
[booming, dark music playing]

961
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,360
[reporter 10] The start
of David Copeland's murder trial

962
00:58:56,440 --> 00:58:59,080
was attended by more
than three dozen of his victims

963
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:01,280
and the relatives of those he killed.

964
00:59:01,960 --> 00:59:04,760
The 24-year-old defendant
denies three murder charges

965
00:59:04,840 --> 00:59:06,800
due to diminished responsibility.

966
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:12,400
[man 14] Copeland wouldn't be
the first person

967
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:16,200
who thought he could get away with murder
by claiming he's mad.

968
00:59:20,440 --> 00:59:23,240
I've got a massive problem with people

969
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:25,800
who harm women or children.

970
00:59:26,840 --> 00:59:28,640
And so when Copeland happened--

971
00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:30,920
For-- He's murdered that woman,

972
00:59:31,880 --> 00:59:33,800
and he's murdered an unborn child.

973
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:37,240
You know, I was never gonna let him
get away with it.

974
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:42,640
His only option really

975
00:59:42,720 --> 00:59:45,520
was to plead diminished responsibility,

976
00:59:46,520 --> 00:59:49,960
so I needed him to confess
that he was perfectly sane.

977
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:57,800
But these days, you've got
these pedophile hunters on the internet,

978
00:59:57,880 --> 01:00:00,840
and they pretend to be a male or a female,

979
01:00:00,920 --> 01:00:03,360
and a pedophile
will get in touch with them,

980
01:00:03,440 --> 01:00:06,480
they'll arrange to meet,
then they give the evidence to the police.

981
01:00:06,560 --> 01:00:09,000
Well, if you like, before the internet,

982
01:00:09,720 --> 01:00:12,880
um, I was doing
a different version of that.

983
01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,520
[woman 3] Dear David, you don't know me,

984
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:19,120
but I've been hearing about you
in the news.

985
01:00:19,200 --> 01:00:23,200
How can they call people monsters and evil
without even knowing them?

986
01:00:24,000 --> 01:00:27,080
I believe everyone is innocent
until proven guilty.

987
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:30,960
Anyway, I hope you don't mind me
writing to you.

988
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:32,360
Patsy.

989
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:36,360
[David] Dear Patsy,
thank you for your letter.

990
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:41,360
I'm 5 foot 8, 23 with brown hair.

991
01:00:41,840 --> 01:00:45,160
My mum says I'm handsome,
but I don't know. [chuckles]

992
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:47,040
I can't picture what you look like.

993
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:48,920
Please send me a picture.

994
01:00:50,520 --> 01:00:53,640
[man 14] With Copeland,
he's gonna wanna be in control,

995
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,800
so I invented this girl
called Patsy Scanlon.

996
01:00:58,080 --> 01:01:02,280
Patsy was like these girls you see

997
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:06,120
in the 1940s propaganda films.

998
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:09,880
You know, she's lithe, blonde, beautiful.

999
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,480
Someone who'll do what they're told
without question.

1000
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:15,520
Someone who's vulnerable.

1001
01:01:15,600 --> 01:01:18,040
Totally airhead, do you know what I mean?

1002
01:01:23,120 --> 01:01:25,160
I knew he'd go for that
one million percent.

1003
01:01:25,240 --> 01:01:26,280
I just knew it.

1004
01:01:29,080 --> 01:01:30,760
[reporter 10] For the survivors,

1005
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:33,160
it was a day of harrowing evidence.

1006
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:36,280
As the horrific injuries
caused by the explosions were described,

1007
01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,920
several people were visibly distressed.

1008
01:01:40,640 --> 01:01:43,560
The trial was about
whether he was mad or bad,

1009
01:01:44,040 --> 01:01:46,760
and he had a barrage of lawyers.

1010
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:50,360
He had, you know, more on-- on his side

1011
01:01:50,440 --> 01:01:52,960
than what were on the other side,
than the-- than the Crown.

1012
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:57,600
[reporter 10] David Copeland
pleaded not guilty to murder,

1013
01:01:57,680 --> 01:01:59,880
but said instead he was guilty
of manslaughter

1014
01:01:59,960 --> 01:02:01,800
because of diminished responsibility.

1015
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:04,760
It's now for the jury to decide
his state of mind.

1016
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:08,040
[man 14] Essentially, what I needed
was a smoking gun.

1017
01:02:08,120 --> 01:02:11,040
I needed him to say, you know, something

1018
01:02:11,120 --> 01:02:13,640
that showed he was playing a game
with the doctors,

1019
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:16,200
but I didn't have a lot of time
to get him.

1020
01:02:16,800 --> 01:02:17,640
[Patsy] Dear David,

1021
01:02:18,280 --> 01:02:20,600
I hope you're not too worried
about your trial.

1022
01:02:21,080 --> 01:02:23,040
It must be a stressful time for you.

1023
01:02:23,840 --> 01:02:24,920
[David] Dear Patsy,

1024
01:02:25,000 --> 01:02:27,920
you are a very attractive young lady.

1025
01:02:28,400 --> 01:02:30,120
[laughing]

1026
01:02:30,200 --> 01:02:31,640
Oh, you know.

1027
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:35,440
My plan was to build Copeland up.

1028
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:37,640
By doing that, get him to open up.

1029
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:40,640
[Patsy] I hope you're feeling confident
and thinking positive thoughts.

1030
01:02:40,720 --> 01:02:42,200
[David] It feels strange being famous.

1031
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:43,760
[Patsy] Dear David,

1032
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,280
I saw your picture in the papers
the other day.

1033
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:48,640
Your mum is right.
You really are handsome.

1034
01:02:48,720 --> 01:02:49,960
[David] Dear Patsy,

1035
01:02:50,040 --> 01:02:51,600
I can't get you out of my mind.

1036
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:54,600
All I do is dream about you
and when we can finally meet.

1037
01:02:55,440 --> 01:03:00,960
And he signed that "Love, Dave,"
which was an escalation of things, really.

1038
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:05,120
The whole mood
of Copeland's letters changed.

1039
01:03:05,680 --> 01:03:06,560
[David] Dear Patsy…

1040
01:03:06,640 --> 01:03:09,320
[man 14] I had a…
a flurry of letters at that point.

1041
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:13,120
[David] Your letters are the only things
that are keeping me going here.

1042
01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:15,640
I lie on my bed at night
and think of you.

1043
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:18,120
Promise me, Patsy,
you'll never forget about me.

1044
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:21,880
-Hope I'll hear from you soon.
-[man 14] Then, finally, I had him.

1045
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:24,280
[David] Dear Patsy, this place is a joke.

1046
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:25,560
So are the doctors.

1047
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:26,920
They think they're clever,

1048
01:03:27,000 --> 01:03:28,960
but they're as stupid
as the fools in here.

1049
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:32,240
Things are not looking too bad
for my trial.

1050
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:34,680
I can't believe that I fooled
all the doctors.

1051
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:38,840
"I can't believe that I have fooled
all the doctors."

1052
01:03:43,200 --> 01:03:47,240
The jury looked at the correspondence
in its entirety.

1053
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:51,880
Saw it as I saw it.
Saw it as the psychiatrist saw it.

1054
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:54,680
There's absolutely nothing wrong with him.

1055
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:02,560
Copeland was showed photographs
of these horrific injuries

1056
01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:05,840
and all the misery and pain he'd caused,

1057
01:04:05,920 --> 01:04:08,400
and not once did he show
a sign of emotion.

1058
01:04:10,160 --> 01:04:12,840
But then when the prosecutor read out

1059
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:15,920
that, um, the girl he wanted to marry

1060
01:04:16,640 --> 01:04:20,680
was actually a… an hairy-arsed bouncer
from Essex called Bernie,

1061
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:24,200
you know, he put his head in his hands
and slumped in the dock.

1062
01:04:24,280 --> 01:04:26,120
You know, his-- his world ended.

1063
01:04:29,680 --> 01:04:31,840
[reporter 11]
David Copeland, the young fanatic

1064
01:04:31,920 --> 01:04:35,320
who worshiped Adolf Hitler
and planted nail bombs across London,

1065
01:04:35,400 --> 01:04:38,800
is in Broadmoor tonight
starting six life sentences.

1066
01:04:39,520 --> 01:04:43,800
He was convicted of murdering three people
and injuring nearly 150 others

1067
01:04:43,880 --> 01:04:46,880
in a bombing campaign
that targeted Blacks and homosexuals.

1068
01:04:47,360 --> 01:04:48,960
The jury rejected his plea

1069
01:04:49,040 --> 01:04:51,400
that he wasn't responsible
for his actions.

1070
01:04:51,480 --> 01:04:54,240
[crowd cheering and applauding]

1071
01:04:54,320 --> 01:04:56,320
[camera shutters clicking]

1072
01:04:57,280 --> 01:04:59,680
[dramatic music playing]

1073
01:05:01,920 --> 01:05:03,920
[crowd cheering]

1074
01:05:04,400 --> 01:05:08,720
[reporter 12] For two of the survivors,
a poignant moment outside the Old Bailey.

1075
01:05:09,560 --> 01:05:13,080
David Copeland has not achieved his aims
of fame and power.

1076
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:18,200
Today's verdict prove he--
proves he is a dangerous, pathetic nobody

1077
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:19,800
who is now where he belongs.

1078
01:05:25,160 --> 01:05:26,920
-Thanks, fellas.
-[reporter 13] Thanks.

1079
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:31,560
[crowd cheering]

1080
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:38,320
Everybody was saying, "Come on,
we'll go out for a drink" and "Yeah."

1081
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:43,600
And I can remember thinking… [scoffs]
"Nothing to celebrate here. Really."

1082
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:45,400
[man 18] Oh, beautiful.

1083
01:05:47,560 --> 01:05:48,680
To new beginnings.

1084
01:05:51,920 --> 01:05:55,000
[man 16] I've always had this real
overwhelming sense of, um,

1085
01:05:55,080 --> 01:05:56,320
what a bloody waste.

1086
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:59,760
What a waste of human life.

1087
01:06:00,800 --> 01:06:01,680
His included.

1088
01:06:02,200 --> 01:06:05,320
'Cause he'll never get out,
he'll never be any use to anybody.

1089
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:09,200
And what he's done
to all these people, you know?

1090
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:11,080
Hundreds and hundreds of people.

1091
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:13,160
[somber music playing]

1092
01:06:20,760 --> 01:06:21,640
[Arthur] I wish…

1093
01:06:22,640 --> 01:06:24,680
I wish we'd been able to stop it.

1094
01:06:27,440 --> 01:06:30,800
Just, like, stop those people
from being killed and injured.

1095
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:35,680
[man 1] So, there's some sort of guilt
that exists, is there?

1096
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:38,360
[Arthur] Yeah.
Yeah, definitely. Definitely.

1097
01:06:39,800 --> 01:06:40,640
Definitely.

1098
01:06:41,880 --> 01:06:43,240
I think about that a lot.

1099
01:06:46,160 --> 01:06:49,560
I thought I'd got over it.
[laughing] And then it came back.

1100
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:51,400
[sighs]

1101
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:55,560
I, you know, well--

1102
01:06:56,320 --> 01:07:00,480
Joining the BNP, I wanted, like,
the excitement of, like, being a spy and…

1103
01:07:02,120 --> 01:07:05,280
all that, and, like,
taking on, like, the bad people.

1104
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,480
But when something on that scale happened,

1105
01:07:08,560 --> 01:07:13,360
I wish-- I wish we'd been able
to stop what happened sooner.

1106
01:07:20,720 --> 01:07:21,560
Yep.

1107
01:07:21,640 --> 01:07:23,360
[somber music playing]

1108
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:28,000
[man 12] Arthur was someone
who was motivated by doing something good.

1109
01:07:29,240 --> 01:07:33,560
At the time, there was a reward.
There was a reward put out by the police.

1110
01:07:33,640 --> 01:07:36,080
Seventy-thousand pounds
for his identification.

1111
01:07:36,560 --> 01:07:38,360
Arthur was never interested in a penny.

1112
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:43,400
And even now. I mean--
There were some people in his family,

1113
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:46,960
only on the 20th anniversary
of the London nail bombings

1114
01:07:47,920 --> 01:07:50,920
that some of his family found out
what-- what he had done.

1115
01:07:53,160 --> 01:07:55,080
That he wasn't a Nazi after all.

1116
01:07:58,760 --> 01:08:01,640
Arthur had been inside for 10 years,

1117
01:08:01,720 --> 01:08:05,880
you know, week in, week out,
going to British National Party meetings,

1118
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:08,120
being chased down the street
by anti-fascists,

1119
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:10,440
being attacked by anti-fascists,

1120
01:08:10,520 --> 01:08:12,920
going to concerts with Nazis,

1121
01:08:13,000 --> 01:08:15,880
and he'd done all of this and--

1122
01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:19,560
Of course, you know, he did far more
than just identify Copeland.

1123
01:08:19,640 --> 01:08:22,200
He played a major role

1124
01:08:22,280 --> 01:08:26,760
in the British National Party not building
on their successes in East London.

1125
01:08:27,840 --> 01:08:32,200
Tyndall failed to take hold
across the country because of Arthur.

1126
01:08:33,520 --> 01:08:38,040
The police say that the BNP presence does
introduce an element of racial tension--

1127
01:08:38,120 --> 01:08:41,560
Oh, "The police say,
the police say, the police say."

1128
01:08:42,040 --> 01:08:44,600
-So you don't believe them.
-No, we don't accept it at all.

1129
01:08:44,680 --> 01:08:48,040
And you don't accept the courts and
the convictions that your members have.

1130
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:49,280
I've told you before,

1131
01:08:49,360 --> 01:08:51,600
our members have no greater proportion

1132
01:08:51,680 --> 01:08:54,320
of convictions
than any other party members.

1133
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:56,200
Okay. Thanks very much.

1134
01:08:56,280 --> 01:08:59,960
Right. Get your stuff out of here
with the minimum delay.

1135
01:09:02,240 --> 01:09:04,200
You people are true to form.

1136
01:09:05,520 --> 01:09:09,680
You're exactly the way that, uh,
we've learned to expect, and…

1137
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,480
[introspective cello music playing]

1138
01:09:24,320 --> 01:09:26,000
[activist] They're trying
to drive us apart,

1139
01:09:26,080 --> 01:09:28,440
and the message
we're giving them here today,

1140
01:09:28,520 --> 01:09:30,480
that it's the reverse effect.

1141
01:09:30,560 --> 01:09:32,400
We're coming together!

1142
01:09:32,480 --> 01:09:35,120
-In a way you've never seen us before!
-[crowd cheering]

1143
01:09:35,200 --> 01:09:38,120
Let's march to fulfill this day!

1144
01:09:48,680 --> 01:09:51,680
I think that someone like Copeland,

1145
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:56,040
someone trying to do what Copeland did,
will never succeed.

1146
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:00,200
What gives me hope

1147
01:10:00,680 --> 01:10:04,080
is that there are still more good people
than bad people.

1148
01:10:05,160 --> 01:10:07,160
And-- and the haters can never win.

1149
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:11,720
In the long-- in the long term,
the haters can ne-- can never win.

1150
01:10:11,800 --> 01:10:16,200
And it must be… it must be horrible
to be consumed with hate.

1151
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:17,240
You know?

1152
01:10:18,120 --> 01:10:22,520
Think about all the things you can't enjoy
'cause, you know, you're full of hate.

1153
01:10:23,520 --> 01:10:26,360
No. Today's Friday.
I'm gonna go home and have a beer.

1154
01:10:27,280 --> 01:10:28,120
[laughing]

1155
01:10:51,600 --> 01:10:55,400
[somber music playing]