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-(quiet rumbling)
-(jet roaring)

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-(clicking)
-(indistinct announcement)

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-(airport chatter)
-Walter Cronkite:
<i>When he got on a plane</i>

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<i>in Portland,
Oregon, last night,</i>

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<i>he was just
another passenger.</i>

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<i>But today, after hijacking
a Northwest Airlines jet,</i>

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<i>a description on
one wire service...</i>

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master criminal.

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♪ ♪

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Reporter 1:
<i>It was Thanksgiving Eve, 1971,</i>
<i>when a hijacker named</i>

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<i>DB Cooper parachuted
out of the tail door</i>

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<i>of a Northwest
Airlines 727...</i>

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Reporter 2:
<i>A daring parachute</i>
<i>escape somewhere</i>

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<i>between Reno
and Seattle, Washington.</i>

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(helicopter hovering)

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Reporter 3:
<i>The only unsolved</i>
<i>airplane hijacking</i>

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<i>in United States history.</i>

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Man:
<i>He demanded $200,000</i>
<i>and four parachutes.</i>

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<i>Then, he disappeared.</i>

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Reporter 4:
<i>They really didn't know</i>

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<i>if the hijacker parachuted
around here.</i>

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Reporter 5:
<i>The story begins there,</i>
<i>but how it ends?</i>

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<i>That's the mystery.</i>

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Reporter 6:
<i>But today, they still</i>
<i>could not explain</i>

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<i>what really happened
to DB Cooper.</i>

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Reporter 7:
<i>Leaving only the question,</i>

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<i>did the man
the world now knows</i>

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<i>as the legendary
DB Cooper live...</i>

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<i>or did he die?</i>

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♪ ♪

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Bruce Smith:
<i>DB Cooper.</i>
<i>Don't know his identity.</i>

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<i>Don't know where
he came from.</i>

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<i>Don't know what
happened to him.</i>

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<i>It's just one more
mystery after another.</i>

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♪

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Marla Cooper:
<i>I remembered my father</i>
<i>telling me this story.</i>

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<i>"Don't you remember?
He hijacked that airplane."</i>

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Ben Anjewierden:
<i>He ended up</i>
<i>being my roommate,</i>

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<i>and he talked an awful
lot about hijacking.</i>

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Bernie Rhodes:
<i>He knew that I was</i>
<i>closing in on him.</i>

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Cooper:
<i>The first thing that kind</i>
<i>of hit in my head was</i>

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<i>that looks like my dad.</i>

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♪ ♪

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Geoffrey Gray:
<i>It almost defied</i>
<i>the imagination.</i>

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<i>Defied the imagination
to do it...</i>

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<i>and defied the imagination
to get away with it.</i>

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(birds chirping)

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John Dower:
<i>DB Cooper.</i>

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Sounds like he's been
a big part of your life.

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Yeah.

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It's used up a lot of good years

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that I could've
put somewhere else.

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That I should have
put somewhere else.

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And I lost a lot of my life.
I mean, you know...

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I wish he had never
told me anything.

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(slide projector clicking,
focusing)

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♪ ♪

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<i>He treated me nice.
He...</i>

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<i>When he would dance with you,</i>

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<i>he knew exactly where to
put his hand on your back.</i>

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<i>I mean, it was... I'd never
been treated like a queen.</i>

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(projector clicking)

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Dower:
<i>What did you know</i>
<i>about his past life?</i>

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Weber:
<i>I didn't ask.</i>

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<i>If you love someone,</i>

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<i>the past is not important.</i>

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(clicking)

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<i>We were married
March the 27th, 1978.</i>

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<i>He died on
March the 28th, 1995.</i>

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<i>And that's where
the story starts.</i>

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(clicking, focusing)

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<i>He was in the hospital</i>

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three days before he died.

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-(ECG beeping)
-(ventilator hissing)

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<i>He had some kidney disease.</i>

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<i>At first, he allowed
them to dialysize him,</i>

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<i>and then he removed
himself from the machine.</i>

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<i>The doctors told him
he would be dead
within so many days.</i>

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When you're like that,
you're going back into things.

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Your brain takes you
back to your memories.

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-(ventilator hissing)
-(ECG beeping)

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<i>I went to adjust
his pillow,</i>

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<i>and then he tries
to tell me something.</i>

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(inaudible)

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<i>He kept on rambling,
rambling,</i>

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<i>"I buried a bucket
and I don't know where--
I can't find the bucket."</i>

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-Tim Collins: Jo.
-Huh?

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You know it
better than I do.

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No, the day, the day
you brought him,

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you brought him
to the hospice care,

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-and you were helping
him put on his pants.
-Weber: Uh-huh.

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And you asked him
about his knee.

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Yeah. He said he hurt
it jumping out of a plane.

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Right. Then,
you got to hospice care...

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<i>And when the nurses left,</i>

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<i>he wanted to
tell you a secret.
He says, "Come closer."</i>

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<i>-And you thought
he wanted a cigarette.</i>
-Weber:<i> Yeah.</i>

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-Collins:
<i>So start, start with that.</i>
-Weber:<i> Right.</i>

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(beeping)

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He says, "Jo,
you and I've got to talk."

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(inaudible)

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<i>He was trying to
tell me who he was.</i>

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He says-- talking about
jump out of a plane.

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I said,
"You jump out of a plane?
Come on. Gimme a break."

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And that's when he...
I'm gonna say a bad word.

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That's when
he shouted, "Oh, fuck!

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<i>Let it die with me."
Well, then they came in</i>

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<i>and started giving
him injections.</i>

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<i>He still kept trying
to tell me the story.</i>

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<i>I did not know what
he was talking about.</i>

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Dower:
But there was one key
thing he said to you.

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"I'm Dan Cooper."

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(ECG continuous beep)

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♪ ♪

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<i>Those were
his last words...</i>

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<i>except, "I love you."</i>

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Dower:
What did you do next?

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Called the FBI.

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♪ ♪

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Narrator 1:
<i>The jet age is now here.</i>

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<i>The advent of
commercial flying</i>

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<i>by jet clipper.</i>

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<i>Near sonic speed,</i>

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<i>but inside, one of
the most stunning
discoveries.</i>

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<i>There is no feeling
of movement at all.</i>

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(jet whirring)

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Narrator 2:
<i>Now, over 400 flights a day</i>

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<i>by 22 airlines serving
over 80 destinations.</i>

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You'll find this airplane

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much more roomy than
the ones you've been used to.

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♪

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Narrator 3:
<i>If this is what comes</i>
<i>with the coffee,</i>

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<i>you can imagine
what goes before.</i>

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Tina Mucklow:
Let's see if I can
find anything else.

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Some letters...

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<i>My name is Tina,</i>

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and, um, I was hijacked

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many years ago.

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-Dower: There's you.
-Mucklow: And there's me.

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<i>Think I must've been 20 or 21</i>

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<i>at the time of the hijacking.</i>

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They painted the job as
being glamorous, and it...

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I guess, to a certain extent,
it was glamorous.

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Narrator:
<i>When a Braniff International</i>
<i>hostess</i>

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<i>meets you on the airplane...</i>

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<i>she'll be dressed like this.</i>

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Pilot:
<i>I believe that</i>

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for every dollar that
our passengers give us,

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they're gonna get $1.50
back in terms of service.

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We do it because we want to
and not because we have to.

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Mucklow:
<i>We signed a contract</i>
<i>that we wouldn't gain</i>

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<i>over a certain
amount of weight,
but when I was hired,</i>

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even if you were married
and you became pregnant,

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you had to resign.

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Plus one thing no other
airline can ever offer.

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Me.

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It was a different world.

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Another airplane
has been hijacked.

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This time by a gunman who
said he wanted to go to Cuba

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because he said he was
tired of TV dinners.

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John Chancellor:
<i>Governments of Cuba</i>
<i>and the United States</i>

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are talking about getting
together to curb hijacking.

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<i>The only time American
planes go to Cuba</i>

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<i>is when
they've been hijacked.</i>

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(siren blaring)

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William Rataczak:
<i>There was a fair amount</i>
<i>of frequency of hijacks.</i>

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Typically Cuban nationals

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who wanted to return
to their homeland.

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<i>Everybody on the airplane
would get a bottle of rum</i>

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<i>and a couple of cigars
and got back on the airplane</i>

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<i>and flew home and thought
it was really a fun thing.</i>

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<i>But this one was
different because it was</i>

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a hijacking demanding money.

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Bill Mitchell:
<i>I was coming home</i>
<i>for Thanksgiving</i>

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<i>from the University of Oregon.</i>

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<i>I had run into
Portland Airport.</i>

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<i>I threw down cash.</i>

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This is 50 years ago,

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and there was no...

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<i>metal detectors.
It was just...</i>

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<i>a different era.</i>

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Bob Fuhriman:
<i>All you had to</i>
<i>have was a ticket</i>

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<i>to get on the flight.</i>

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Dower:
Security?

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What? (laughs)

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(plane idling)

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Mitchell:
<i>You just walked up</i>

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<i>the back steps of
the stairs and sat down.</i>

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He sat

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in the middle seat

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on the back row on the right.

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<i>This guy in this suit and tie,</i>

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<i>he had sunglasses on,</i>

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<i>and it was dark.</i>

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<i>And I thought...</i>

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that's not very cool.

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Rataczak:
<i>Florence Schaffner, the number</i>
<i>two stewardess, was...</i>

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<i>tending to the passengers
when they came in,</i>

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<i>helping them find their seats</i>

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and magazine handouts
and what have you.

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Um, and he gave her this note.

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<i>And she thought he
was hitting on her.</i>

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<i>So she tucked it in
her coat pocket,</i>

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<i>if you will,
her jacket pocket.</i>

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<i>Finally, he said,</i>

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"Miss, I want you
to read that note."

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Just as we were starting
to roll down the runway...

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(PA announcement)

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<i>the flight attendant
next to me, Flo,</i>

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<i>handed me this note,</i>

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and it said, um,

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"Miss, you're, um...

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you're being hijacked.
I've got a bomb.
Come sit next to me."

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<i>He opened the briefcase
and showed me that</i>

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<i>there were these,
what looked like, dynamite.</i>

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They were strapped together
with electrician's tape,

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<i>and out of it was running wire,</i>

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<i>and there was a large battery.</i>

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<i>And he also expressed</i>

229
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that he wasn't going
to be taken alive.

230
00:11:50,209 --> 00:11:52,334
(plane chatter)

231
00:11:52,417 --> 00:11:54,375
Rataczak:
<i>We were rolling</i>
<i>down the runway.</i>

232
00:11:54,459 --> 00:11:56,584
All of a sudden, we hear chimes.

233
00:11:56,667 --> 00:11:59,751
-(chiming)
<i>-One chime is usually,</i>

234
00:11:59,834 --> 00:12:02,417
"Would you like
a cup of coffee?"

235
00:12:02,500 --> 00:12:04,042
Harold Anderson:
<i>Immediately followed by</i>

236
00:12:04,125 --> 00:12:05,626
a number of rings.

237
00:12:05,709 --> 00:12:07,667
-(ringing)
-Rataczak:
<i>When a series of chimes rings,</i>

238
00:12:07,751 --> 00:12:10,334
<i>that is an emergency.</i>

239
00:12:10,417 --> 00:12:13,834
And it was Tina Mucklow
that came on--

240
00:12:13,918 --> 00:12:16,459
<i>on the interphone,
and she said,</i>

241
00:12:16,542 --> 00:12:20,209
<i>"We are being hijacked,
and I'm serious."</i>

242
00:12:20,292 --> 00:12:22,083
But it was too late
to abort the takeoff.

243
00:12:22,167 --> 00:12:25,083
(jet engines roaring)

244
00:12:25,167 --> 00:12:27,751
♪ ♪

245
00:12:27,834 --> 00:12:31,584
Mitchell:
<i>I did think, you know,</i>
<i>this is, I guess,</i>

246
00:12:31,667 --> 00:12:34,042
<i>my college sophomore ego.</i>

247
00:12:34,125 --> 00:12:35,918
<i>But I couldn't
quite figure out</i>

248
00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:39,167
<i>why this young
flight attendant</i>

249
00:12:39,250 --> 00:12:40,792
would be sitting next

250
00:12:40,876 --> 00:12:44,542
and talking to this guy.

251
00:12:44,626 --> 00:12:48,000
Mucklow:
<i>He had ordered</i>
<i>a drink, a bourbon.</i>

252
00:12:48,083 --> 00:12:51,626
<i>He was a smoker,
and I actually lit</i>

253
00:12:51,709 --> 00:12:53,459
several of his cigarettes

254
00:12:53,542 --> 00:12:57,542
<i>because he didn't wanna take
his finger off that trigger.</i>

255
00:12:59,167 --> 00:13:01,876
I said a prayer
for the passengers,

256
00:13:01,959 --> 00:13:05,292
<i>and for the crew, and...</i>

257
00:13:05,375 --> 00:13:07,876
for the hijacker as well.

258
00:13:07,959 --> 00:13:11,209
Um, you know, I didn't know
what his history was.

259
00:13:13,209 --> 00:13:14,709
<i>I wanted to run.</i>

260
00:13:14,792 --> 00:13:16,918
But, you know, on a 727,

261
00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:18,709
there's no place to run.

262
00:13:18,792 --> 00:13:21,709
♪ ♪

263
00:13:21,792 --> 00:13:24,918
(insects chirping)

264
00:13:27,125 --> 00:13:29,209
-Dower:<i> If you could</i>
<i>mentally time travel...</i>
-Ron Forman:<i> Yeah.</i>

265
00:13:29,292 --> 00:13:31,459
Dower:
<i>...go back to that</i>
<i>very first day.</i>

266
00:13:31,542 --> 00:13:34,375
Pat Forman:
<i>I was just hanging out at</i>
<i>the airport, as always,</i>

267
00:13:34,459 --> 00:13:36,459
<i>and Ron took</i>

268
00:13:36,542 --> 00:13:38,042
a break, and he said,

269
00:13:38,125 --> 00:13:40,417
"Let's go over
and talk to that lady

270
00:13:40,500 --> 00:13:41,834
that's out there
on the field."

271
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♪ ♪

272
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Ron:
<i>Every weekend,</i>
<i>if the weather was good,</i>

273
00:13:45,709 --> 00:13:47,792
<i>she was up flying.
And if it was a rainy day,</i>

274
00:13:47,876 --> 00:13:49,417
<i>she would just be
sitting in her car,</i>

275
00:13:49,500 --> 00:13:51,500
<i>you know, if it's pouring
down, always by herself.</i>

276
00:13:51,584 --> 00:13:53,667
<i>And I thought there was
something unusual about her,</i>

277
00:13:53,751 --> 00:13:55,125
<i>but I didn't know what,</i>

278
00:13:55,209 --> 00:13:57,459
<i>so that's why I decided,
let's go talk to her, right?</i>

279
00:13:58,876 --> 00:14:01,167
And then,
Ron was telling her

280
00:14:01,250 --> 00:14:04,125
that he had just got
his pilot's license,

281
00:14:04,209 --> 00:14:07,000
and he was
actually flying

282
00:14:07,083 --> 00:14:09,209
for the Kiwanis Club
to build up hours

283
00:14:09,292 --> 00:14:11,125
to get
a commercial license.

284
00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:15,542
Dower:
<i>And what was</i>
<i>she like as a pilot?</i>

285
00:14:15,626 --> 00:14:17,209
-Pat:<i> Oh, man. (laughs)</i>
-Ron:<i> Great.</i>

286
00:14:17,292 --> 00:14:20,250
<i>-She was great.
And she was daring.</i>
-Pat:<i> She was a great pilot.</i>

287
00:14:20,334 --> 00:14:23,042
-She had all the talents,
I mean...
-She had all the talents.

288
00:14:23,125 --> 00:14:25,667
Pat:
<i>She was parachuting.</i>

289
00:14:25,751 --> 00:14:28,792
Ron:
<i>Then, after that, she came</i>
<i>over every Sunday night.</i>

290
00:14:28,876 --> 00:14:31,250
When she came over, after
we knew her a year, right?

291
00:14:31,334 --> 00:14:33,500
That's when she
told us, you know...

292
00:14:33,584 --> 00:14:35,083
You-you-you tell that story.

293
00:14:35,167 --> 00:14:37,876
♪ ♪

294
00:14:37,959 --> 00:14:42,125
Pat:
<i>Well, she came over one</i>
<i>Sunday night, as usual.</i>

295
00:14:42,209 --> 00:14:45,959
<i>She said that
she had something
that she had to tell us.</i>

296
00:14:46,042 --> 00:14:49,250
<i>All of a sudden,
I had this funny feeling.</i>

297
00:14:49,334 --> 00:14:51,083
<i>It was really weird.</i>

298
00:14:51,167 --> 00:14:53,334
<i>I started forming
in my mind that...</i>

299
00:14:54,751 --> 00:14:57,459
maybe she used
to be a man.

300
00:14:57,542 --> 00:15:00,834
<i>Can that be possible?
Can they do that?</i>

301
00:15:00,918 --> 00:15:02,876
Barb stopped talking in
the middle of talking,

302
00:15:02,959 --> 00:15:04,542
and she told Ron,
she says,

303
00:15:04,626 --> 00:15:06,959
<i>"Well, your wife knows now."</i>

304
00:15:07,042 --> 00:15:09,125
(laughs)

305
00:15:09,209 --> 00:15:11,542
<i>Then she started telling
us all the details</i>

306
00:15:11,626 --> 00:15:13,417
<i>of what she had gone through,</i>

307
00:15:13,500 --> 00:15:15,667
<i>and why she had
gone through it.</i>

308
00:15:17,167 --> 00:15:19,292
Ron:
<i>She was the first woman</i>
<i>to have a sex change</i>

309
00:15:19,375 --> 00:15:21,250
<i>-in Washington.</i>
-Dower:<i> Or the first man.</i>

310
00:15:21,334 --> 00:15:25,459
-Yeah, first man!
Yeah, first man. Yeah.
-(laughing)

311
00:15:25,542 --> 00:15:28,751
Dower:
<i>What was she called before</i>
<i>she had the sex change?</i>

312
00:15:28,834 --> 00:15:31,292
Pat:
<i>Her name was Robert Dayton.</i>

313
00:15:32,292 --> 00:15:33,334
(click)

314
00:15:33,417 --> 00:15:38,083
Dower:
<i>How did DB Cooper</i>
<i>first come up?</i>

315
00:15:38,167 --> 00:15:41,626
Pat:
<i>The pilots always are</i>
<i>discussing DB Cooper.</i>

316
00:15:41,709 --> 00:15:43,876
-Dower:<i> Well it's this area?</i>
-Ron:<i> Yeah, it's this</i>
<i>area right here.</i>

317
00:15:43,959 --> 00:15:47,042
<i>And it's one of the,
you know, a great mystery,
you know?</i>

318
00:15:47,125 --> 00:15:48,667
Pat:
<i>Every time there</i>
<i>was an article</i>

319
00:15:48,751 --> 00:15:50,626
<i>that said that DB Cooper
was an idiot,</i>

320
00:15:50,709 --> 00:15:52,667
-that he did stupid things...
-Common criminal.

321
00:15:52,751 --> 00:15:55,542
He was a common criminal,
she would actually get angry.

322
00:15:55,626 --> 00:15:56,959
♪ ♪

323
00:15:57,042 --> 00:15:59,667
<i>-She just went off.</i>
-Ron:<i> She really
defended DB Cooper.</i>

324
00:15:59,751 --> 00:16:01,042
<i>I just looked at her,</i>

325
00:16:01,125 --> 00:16:03,042
and I don't know
what made me say it,
I just said,

326
00:16:03,125 --> 00:16:06,375
"You know what?
I know who DB Cooper is.
It's Barb."

327
00:16:06,459 --> 00:16:07,834
And, man, all of a sudden,

328
00:16:07,918 --> 00:16:11,167
she just stared at me,
gave me a really dirty look.

329
00:16:11,250 --> 00:16:13,292
<i>She says,
"Don't ever
say that again."</i>

330
00:16:15,125 --> 00:16:17,334
<i>So I thought that
was kinda unusual.</i>

331
00:16:17,417 --> 00:16:20,042
-(birds chirping)
-(plane flying)

332
00:16:20,125 --> 00:16:21,792
<i>And then, it was a few--</i>

333
00:16:21,876 --> 00:16:24,667
<i>-a week or two later, right?
She came over. And I...</i>
-Pat:<i> Right.</i>

334
00:16:24,751 --> 00:16:27,751
<i>happened to have a
newspaper article about it,
you know,</i>

335
00:16:27,834 --> 00:16:30,000
<i>with a picture of
DB Cooper, the sketch.</i>

336
00:16:30,083 --> 00:16:32,709
I said, "Let me comb
your hair to the side."

337
00:16:32,792 --> 00:16:35,584
So we combed it to the side,
and we put sunglasses on,

338
00:16:35,667 --> 00:16:37,500
and we had one of
the old Instamatic cameras.

339
00:16:37,584 --> 00:16:40,792
You know, you take a picture,
and it develops.

340
00:16:40,876 --> 00:16:43,083
-(flash)
<i>-We were watching it</i>
<i>develop,</i>

341
00:16:43,167 --> 00:16:45,542
<i>and I looked at the sketch,
and I said, "Jesus Christ."</i>

342
00:16:45,626 --> 00:16:49,042
I said,
"She really matches.

343
00:16:49,125 --> 00:16:51,083
I think maybe
she is DB Cooper."

344
00:16:51,167 --> 00:16:52,459
♪ ♪

345
00:16:52,542 --> 00:16:54,042
Pat:
<i>We had another couple here.</i>

346
00:16:54,125 --> 00:16:56,959
Ron:
<i>A couple here, too,</i>
<i>a young couple here, too.</i>

347
00:16:57,042 --> 00:16:59,417
And we all kind of just were
sitting around the table

348
00:16:59,500 --> 00:17:01,751
with our mouths open,
watching her, like,

349
00:17:01,834 --> 00:17:05,500
what is she--
what is she doing here?

350
00:17:05,584 --> 00:17:07,334
<i>And all of a sudden,
she realized</i>

351
00:17:07,417 --> 00:17:10,375
<i>nobody was talking.
We were all sitting
there staring at her.</i>

352
00:17:10,459 --> 00:17:12,459
<i>And then she,</i>

353
00:17:12,542 --> 00:17:16,167
you know, she said,
"Well," she says, "Okay.

354
00:17:18,417 --> 00:17:21,626
<i>I am Dan Cooper."</i>

355
00:17:21,709 --> 00:17:24,542
Ron:
<i>The couple that was</i>
<i>with us, she panicked.</i>

356
00:17:24,626 --> 00:17:26,459
<i>-She just started screaming.</i>
-(screaming)

357
00:17:26,542 --> 00:17:28,167
<i>"We're all going to jail now,"
you know.</i>

358
00:17:28,250 --> 00:17:30,292
And she just
went into a panic,
and she just tore it

359
00:17:30,375 --> 00:17:32,042
into little bitty pieces.

360
00:17:32,125 --> 00:17:34,334
Threw it down,
and they went home.

361
00:17:34,417 --> 00:17:36,959
♪ ♪

362
00:17:37,042 --> 00:17:40,083
<i>We just spent another
sleepless night</i>

363
00:17:40,167 --> 00:17:42,751
just like we did
when she told us

364
00:17:42,834 --> 00:17:45,918
she was a man
because we were...

365
00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:48,542
what if this is true?
I mean,

366
00:17:48,626 --> 00:17:50,209
what if, uh,

367
00:17:50,292 --> 00:17:51,626
she starts
thinking about it,

368
00:17:51,709 --> 00:17:53,751
and she just told us this,
and she comes back here

369
00:17:53,834 --> 00:17:56,834
-and kills us? (laughs)
-Yeah, 'cause we know
this secret, you know.

370
00:17:56,918 --> 00:18:00,167
(projector clicking, whirring)

371
00:18:00,250 --> 00:18:03,334
Pat:
<i>I don't think I wanted</i>
<i>to believe it actually.</i>

372
00:18:06,500 --> 00:18:08,292
♪ ♪

373
00:18:08,375 --> 00:18:11,959
<i>But then there kept being more
and more and more things</i>

374
00:18:12,042 --> 00:18:15,250
<i>that were popping up.</i>

375
00:18:15,334 --> 00:18:18,709
Then she started giving
us details about the jump.

376
00:18:18,792 --> 00:18:21,250
<i>She said she jumped
from 10,000 feet.</i>

377
00:18:21,334 --> 00:18:24,375
<i>She kept the chute.
She didn't open
the chute till 1,000 feet.</i>

378
00:18:24,459 --> 00:18:27,292
Pat:
<i>She told us that she had tied</i>

379
00:18:27,375 --> 00:18:30,626
-the money belt
around her waist...
-The strap around.

380
00:18:30,709 --> 00:18:32,751
...in a manner that, um,

381
00:18:32,834 --> 00:18:35,167
-she could use it
as a depth finder.
-Depth finder.

382
00:18:36,542 --> 00:18:39,626
<i>And she described the dynamite
to us, too, right?</i>

383
00:18:39,709 --> 00:18:42,042
And I said, "Was it
real dynamite, Barb?"

384
00:18:42,125 --> 00:18:43,792
"I don't do anything
phony," she said.

385
00:18:43,876 --> 00:18:46,083
-Got mad at me
because I brought that up.
-(laughing)

386
00:18:46,167 --> 00:18:48,209
♪ ♪

387
00:18:48,292 --> 00:18:52,209
Pat:
<i>She told us that she landed</i>
<i>in the field near Woodburn.</i>

388
00:18:52,292 --> 00:18:55,876
Which is a perfect place.
There is the Interstate 5,

389
00:18:55,959 --> 00:18:57,918
the freeway,
there's lights there.

390
00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:59,584
<i>Did the jump,
changed her clothes,</i>

391
00:18:59,667 --> 00:19:01,167
<i>took off her suit and tie,</i>

392
00:19:01,250 --> 00:19:03,667
<i>put a blonde wig on.</i>

393
00:19:03,751 --> 00:19:05,042
A policeman
could've picked her up.

394
00:19:05,125 --> 00:19:06,918
Could've hitchhiked home,
they would have never--

395
00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:09,083
She's got a wig on.
She's a woman.

396
00:19:09,167 --> 00:19:11,542
Who's gonna--
who's gonna stop her?

397
00:19:20,417 --> 00:19:24,334
♪ ♪

398
00:19:24,417 --> 00:19:26,209
Dower:
<i>So what happened next?</i>

399
00:19:27,626 --> 00:19:32,250
Anderson:
<i>Well, once we got</i>
<i>into the climb,</i>

400
00:19:32,334 --> 00:19:34,751
<i>Florence Schaffner
came up to the cockpit</i>

401
00:19:34,834 --> 00:19:38,334
with the other note that had
all of the demands on it.

402
00:19:41,292 --> 00:19:45,459
<i>$200,000 in
negotiable currency,</i>

403
00:19:46,500 --> 00:19:47,918
<i>four parachutes,</i>

404
00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,042
fuel truck standing by,

405
00:19:51,209 --> 00:19:54,167
and, "no fuzz."

406
00:19:54,250 --> 00:19:57,209
Rataczak:
<i>That got us thinking that</i>

407
00:19:57,292 --> 00:20:00,167
<i>this guy is no dummy.
Four parachutes.</i>

408
00:20:00,250 --> 00:20:03,209
One for him,
and one for each one of us.

409
00:20:03,292 --> 00:20:05,292
That was our concern that

410
00:20:05,375 --> 00:20:08,751
he wanted us to bail with him.

411
00:20:08,834 --> 00:20:13,417
<i>I get a hold of our company
in Seattle on our</i>

412
00:20:13,500 --> 00:20:15,000
<i>discrete frequency,</i>

413
00:20:15,083 --> 00:20:18,292
<i>and tell them what's going on.</i>

414
00:20:18,375 --> 00:20:20,959
So, the FBI was involved stat.

415
00:20:21,042 --> 00:20:23,834
-(phones ringing)
-(office chatter)

416
00:20:23,918 --> 00:20:25,792
Fuhriman:
<i>I remember being in the office,</i>

417
00:20:25,876 --> 00:20:29,876
and all of a sudden,
over the PA system,
came an announcement.

418
00:20:29,959 --> 00:20:32,000
Man (on PA):
<i>Attention all agents.</i>

419
00:20:32,083 --> 00:20:33,667
<i>We've had a hijacking.</i>

420
00:20:33,751 --> 00:20:35,417
Then a few minutes later,
the boss,

421
00:20:35,500 --> 00:20:36,959
<i>the special agent in charge,</i>

422
00:20:37,042 --> 00:20:38,459
<i>came out of his office
and grabbed me.</i>

423
00:20:38,542 --> 00:20:40,751
He says, "You're driving me
to the airport. Let's go."

424
00:20:40,834 --> 00:20:43,918
♪ ♪

425
00:20:45,542 --> 00:20:47,876
<i>In any hijacking,
or a case like that,</i>

426
00:20:47,959 --> 00:20:50,417
<i>potentially lives
are at stake.</i>

427
00:20:50,500 --> 00:20:51,918
<i>But I just remember
he was saying,</i>

428
00:20:52,042 --> 00:20:53,834
"Get me there. Let's go."

429
00:20:53,918 --> 00:20:56,709
(plane humming)

430
00:20:56,792 --> 00:20:59,500
I asked Scotty, I said,
"Scotty, do you think
I should make a PA

431
00:20:59,584 --> 00:21:02,542
"and kinda keep people from
roaming around the airplane

432
00:21:02,626 --> 00:21:04,042
while we're trying to
get organized here?"

433
00:21:04,125 --> 00:21:06,083
And he said,
"I think that's a good idea."

434
00:21:07,542 --> 00:21:10,083
<i>My mother and dad told
me never to lie, but...</i>

435
00:21:11,250 --> 00:21:13,125
I told a fib,

436
00:21:13,209 --> 00:21:15,792
and I told them that
we had a mechanical problem,

437
00:21:15,876 --> 00:21:17,292
<i>but it was no
great consequence.</i>

438
00:21:17,375 --> 00:21:18,959
<i>It was just something
that we're gonna--</i>

439
00:21:19,042 --> 00:21:20,876
<i>We're gonna go up into
a holding pattern,</i>

440
00:21:20,959 --> 00:21:23,959
<i>most passengers will
refer to it as circling.</i>

441
00:21:24,042 --> 00:21:26,667
(engines roaring)

442
00:21:26,751 --> 00:21:29,292
-(siren blaring)
-Fuhriman:<i> We had no plan.</i>

443
00:21:29,375 --> 00:21:31,500
<i>The boss is talking to
Northwest Airline people,</i>

444
00:21:31,584 --> 00:21:33,751
<i>the airport people,
the airport police.</i>

445
00:21:33,834 --> 00:21:35,876
Everybody was coordinating
who's gonna do what,

446
00:21:35,959 --> 00:21:38,209
how do we handle this?
What do we do?

447
00:21:38,292 --> 00:21:40,626
(engines roaring)

448
00:21:42,584 --> 00:21:44,083
Mucklow:
<i>I did ask him</i>

449
00:21:44,167 --> 00:21:46,542
<i>did he have a grudge
with the airline.</i>

450
00:21:46,626 --> 00:21:48,042
(inaudible)

451
00:21:48,125 --> 00:21:50,751
He said, "No.
I don't have a grudge

452
00:21:50,834 --> 00:21:53,459
with the airline,
but I do have a grudge."

453
00:21:53,542 --> 00:21:56,584
♪

454
00:22:02,751 --> 00:22:03,709
(tires screech)

455
00:22:03,792 --> 00:22:06,459
♪ ♪

456
00:22:06,542 --> 00:22:08,792
Fuhriman:
<i>Upon landing in Seattle,</i>

457
00:22:08,876 --> 00:22:10,667
the money,

458
00:22:10,751 --> 00:22:13,209
the parachutes were brought out.

459
00:22:14,417 --> 00:22:16,167
<i>One of the flight attendants</i>

460
00:22:16,250 --> 00:22:18,209
<i>was allowed to get off
and pick those up.</i>

461
00:22:21,667 --> 00:22:23,083
I got the money,

462
00:22:23,167 --> 00:22:25,417
<i>brought it back to him.</i>

463
00:22:25,500 --> 00:22:27,584
<i>And then, we asked</i>

464
00:22:27,667 --> 00:22:30,751
if he would allow
the passengers off.

465
00:22:30,834 --> 00:22:32,959
And once he had the money,

466
00:22:33,042 --> 00:22:35,292
he was okay with
passengers getting off.

467
00:22:35,375 --> 00:22:37,918
(siren blaring)

468
00:22:41,125 --> 00:22:43,292
Mitchell:
<i>It was dark, rainy...</i>

469
00:22:45,167 --> 00:22:47,042
and we are...

470
00:22:47,125 --> 00:22:49,918
miles away from
Sea-Tac terminal.

471
00:22:51,167 --> 00:22:54,709
<i>A stairs came up,
portable stairs.</i>

472
00:22:54,792 --> 00:22:56,918
<i>And as we all walked down,</i>

473
00:22:57,042 --> 00:22:58,876
<i>we were all kinda
standing there,</i>

474
00:22:58,959 --> 00:23:01,667
and somebody on the plane said,

475
00:23:01,751 --> 00:23:04,792
"Hey, we--
we were hijacked."

476
00:23:04,876 --> 00:23:06,792
We didn't know
anything was happening.

477
00:23:06,876 --> 00:23:08,250
Nobody knew anything
was happening.

478
00:23:08,334 --> 00:23:10,375
-Reporter: When did
you find out?
-After we landed.

479
00:23:10,459 --> 00:23:11,751
When they brought
the money aboard.

480
00:23:11,834 --> 00:23:15,125
The crew kept us ignorant
of what was taking place,

481
00:23:15,209 --> 00:23:17,209
I guess to avoid a panic.

482
00:23:17,292 --> 00:23:19,375
And so, we really didn't
know what was taking place.

483
00:23:19,459 --> 00:23:21,626
We cruised around for two
and a half hours up there.

484
00:23:21,709 --> 00:23:24,751
Wasn't until
we got off the plane,
got near a vehicle,

485
00:23:24,834 --> 00:23:27,417
and it looked like a money
bag was being handed over.

486
00:23:27,500 --> 00:23:29,417
I then thought of a statement

487
00:23:29,500 --> 00:23:33,375
that I'd heard early on right
as we were just in the air

488
00:23:33,459 --> 00:23:35,792
a few minutes when one
of the stewardesses said,

489
00:23:35,876 --> 00:23:38,751
"Keep the curtain
open so he can see."

490
00:23:39,584 --> 00:23:42,250
(birds cawing)

491
00:23:46,375 --> 00:23:48,000
Dower:
<i>Nice room.</i>

492
00:23:48,083 --> 00:23:50,751
<i>It's very, um, "Twin Peaks."</i>

493
00:23:51,626 --> 00:23:54,125
(Cooper laughs)

494
00:23:54,209 --> 00:23:57,209
Cooper:
<i>Well, back when that</i>
<i>show as on, apparently,</i>

495
00:23:57,292 --> 00:23:58,792
<i>I looked a lot
like the dead girl.</i>

496
00:23:58,876 --> 00:24:00,626
<i>And I would
hear it all the time.
"You look like</i>

497
00:24:00,709 --> 00:24:02,959
<i>the dead girl in 'Twin Peaks.'"
(laughs)</i>

498
00:24:03,751 --> 00:24:05,751
Dower:
<i>Now...</i>

499
00:24:05,834 --> 00:24:07,876
why am I here,
sitting talking to you?

500
00:24:07,959 --> 00:24:11,125
What's, what's your--
Where do you come
into the story?

501
00:24:11,209 --> 00:24:13,500
♪ ♪

502
00:24:13,584 --> 00:24:15,876
Cooper:
<i>It was 1971.</i>

503
00:24:15,959 --> 00:24:19,792
<i>We were back in my
grandmother's home in Oregon,</i>

504
00:24:19,876 --> 00:24:22,667
<i>a couple days
before Thanksgiving.</i>

505
00:24:22,751 --> 00:24:26,375
And my uncles,
LD and Dewey, are there.

506
00:24:26,459 --> 00:24:28,834
(projector clicking, focusing)

507
00:24:32,542 --> 00:24:34,751
I was always
intrigued by them.

508
00:24:34,834 --> 00:24:36,459
They were really rowdy.

509
00:24:36,542 --> 00:24:39,167
<i>And on this particular
Thanksgiving,</i>

510
00:24:39,250 --> 00:24:41,959
<i>we go out in the woods near
my grandmother's house,</i>

511
00:24:42,042 --> 00:24:46,000
<i>and I'm walking along
with Uncle LD,
just shadowing him.</i>

512
00:24:46,083 --> 00:24:47,792
(birds chirping)

513
00:24:47,876 --> 00:24:52,000
<i>I had a great
affection for him.</i>

514
00:24:52,083 --> 00:24:55,626
<i>He was a very sweet man
and...</i>

515
00:24:55,709 --> 00:24:59,167
<i>always my favorite
in my dad's family.</i>

516
00:25:00,626 --> 00:25:02,709
<i>They were talking about</i>

517
00:25:02,792 --> 00:25:04,918
<i>something they were plotting,
and I,</i>

518
00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,250
I said, "What are you doing?
What are you up to?

519
00:25:07,334 --> 00:25:08,751
What's going on?"

520
00:25:08,834 --> 00:25:11,584
-(dogs barking)
<i>-And they said, "Oh,</i>

521
00:25:11,667 --> 00:25:13,792
<i>we're gonna go hunting
tomorrow morning."</i>

522
00:25:13,876 --> 00:25:15,167
<i>I said, "Are you
going turkey hunting?</i>

523
00:25:15,250 --> 00:25:17,083
Because it's almost
Thanksgiving,

524
00:25:17,167 --> 00:25:19,500
and I'm really looking
forward to a turkey.

525
00:25:19,584 --> 00:25:21,959
And, and they kinda laughed.

526
00:25:22,042 --> 00:25:23,417
"Yeah, we're gonna go--

527
00:25:23,500 --> 00:25:25,209
we're gonna go shoot us
a great big turkey."

528
00:25:25,292 --> 00:25:27,042
<i>And they're just sort of
playing a game</i>

529
00:25:27,125 --> 00:25:28,542
<i>of mental keep-away with me.</i>

530
00:25:28,626 --> 00:25:30,626
<i>Like they've got a secret.
What they're telling me</i>

531
00:25:30,709 --> 00:25:33,959
<i>is not the whole truth,
and so I keep probing,</i>

532
00:25:34,042 --> 00:25:35,834
<i>trying to get
information out of them,</i>

533
00:25:35,918 --> 00:25:37,709
and they're not
talking about it.

534
00:25:37,792 --> 00:25:40,459
They're just taunting me with
this story of a turkey hunt.

535
00:25:42,709 --> 00:25:47,417
<i>And so early the next morning,
I'm waiting in the driveway.</i>

536
00:25:47,500 --> 00:25:49,792
And they came driving up,
and I came

537
00:25:49,876 --> 00:25:52,125
running to the side of the car.

538
00:25:52,209 --> 00:25:55,292
♪ ♪

539
00:25:57,083 --> 00:25:59,959
<i>And I looked in
the passenger seat,</i>

540
00:26:00,042 --> 00:26:02,667
<i>and there was my Uncle LD,</i>

541
00:26:02,751 --> 00:26:06,334
in a white T-shirt that
had blood all over it,

542
00:26:06,417 --> 00:26:08,500
and he's nearly unconscious.

543
00:26:08,584 --> 00:26:11,417
♪ ♪

544
00:26:11,500 --> 00:26:15,751
<i>"Daddy, Daddy!
Come out here!
Uncle LD's hurt!"</i>

545
00:26:15,834 --> 00:26:18,417
And my dad came running
out of the house,

546
00:26:18,500 --> 00:26:21,042
and ordered me
to go back inside.

547
00:26:21,125 --> 00:26:22,709
But I didn't go back inside.

548
00:26:24,459 --> 00:26:27,334
-(barking)
<i>-And then I heard</i>
<i>Uncle Dewey say,</i>

549
00:26:27,417 --> 00:26:29,959
"Well, we did it.
We hijacked the airplane.

550
00:26:31,500 --> 00:26:33,959
We're rich. Our money
problems are over."

551
00:26:35,250 --> 00:26:38,209
<i>As soon as my uncles left,
my dad sat me down,</i>

552
00:26:38,292 --> 00:26:41,792
<i>and he swore me to secrecy,
telling me</i>

553
00:26:41,876 --> 00:26:43,500
it's a matter of life and death.

554
00:26:43,584 --> 00:26:46,292
"You cannot talk about
this to anybody."

555
00:26:51,626 --> 00:26:54,250
<i>I was 8 years old, and now,</i>

556
00:26:54,334 --> 00:26:55,959
<i>I am left</i>

557
00:26:56,042 --> 00:26:58,375
with keeping a secret that

558
00:26:58,459 --> 00:27:02,125
one of them is hurt
horribly, and...

559
00:27:03,542 --> 00:27:07,542
and not able to talk about
what I'd seen that morning.

560
00:27:07,626 --> 00:27:10,292
(engines roaring)

561
00:27:14,083 --> 00:27:17,167
♪ ♪

562
00:27:19,292 --> 00:27:21,918
Fuhriman:
<i>We know the destination was</i>
<i>supposed to be Reno, Nevada,</i>

563
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:24,250
and he wanted to go
further south from that,

564
00:27:24,334 --> 00:27:27,209
I believe into
Mexico as I recall.

565
00:27:27,292 --> 00:27:28,959
But... (clears throat)

566
00:27:29,751 --> 00:27:31,125
we didn't know.

567
00:27:34,626 --> 00:27:36,542
Rataczak:
<i>I guess I said</i>
<i>something about,</i>

568
00:27:36,626 --> 00:27:39,459
"Oh goody. Maybe he
wants to go to Acapulco.

569
00:27:39,542 --> 00:27:40,834
(laughs)

570
00:27:40,918 --> 00:27:43,292
That beats Seattle
on a rainy night."

571
00:27:43,375 --> 00:27:45,334
-(radio chatter)
<i>-We got rid of the people.</i>

572
00:27:45,417 --> 00:27:48,000
<i>We got rid of two of
the three stewardesses.</i>

573
00:27:48,083 --> 00:27:51,667
We have a supposedly calm...

574
00:27:51,751 --> 00:27:53,250
guy back there,

575
00:27:53,334 --> 00:27:55,250
and Tina is still there.

576
00:27:57,709 --> 00:28:00,751
Mucklow:
<i>I brought him to the back</i>
<i>of the airplane.</i>

577
00:28:00,834 --> 00:28:03,375
I was trying to keep him,

578
00:28:03,459 --> 00:28:05,584
and probably myself,

579
00:28:05,667 --> 00:28:08,542
grounded (laughs)
and calm.

580
00:28:10,292 --> 00:28:14,876
<i>Whenever I could, I tried
to engage the intercom,</i>

581
00:28:14,959 --> 00:28:16,751
<i>and I would just
leave it engaged,</i>

582
00:28:16,834 --> 00:28:18,834
<i>so the cockpit could hear</i>

583
00:28:18,918 --> 00:28:21,417
<i>some of the conversation
that was going on.</i>

584
00:28:23,125 --> 00:28:27,834
So I think they were aware
that his anxiety was going up

585
00:28:27,918 --> 00:28:31,500
as the time lapsed.

586
00:28:31,584 --> 00:28:35,083
♪ ♪

587
00:28:35,167 --> 00:28:36,959
Rataczak:
<i>The hijacker demanded</i>

588
00:28:37,042 --> 00:28:39,584
<i>the airplane flew in
at 10,000 feet.</i>

589
00:28:39,667 --> 00:28:42,250
"I want the flaps down
and the gear down."

590
00:28:42,334 --> 00:28:45,000
Dower:
<i>Do you remember what your</i>
<i>reaction in the cockpit</i>

591
00:28:45,083 --> 00:28:47,417
<i>-to those instructions were?</i>
-(chiming)

592
00:28:47,500 --> 00:28:48,959
Well, it was quite obvious

593
00:28:49,042 --> 00:28:51,250
he was going to jump
out of the airplane.

594
00:28:54,500 --> 00:28:57,584
Rataczak:
<i>Our biggest concern was</i>
<i>how it was going to fly</i>

595
00:28:57,667 --> 00:28:59,918
<i>when and if he
lowered the stairs,</i>

596
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:03,709
which he seemed like he
was intent on doing now.

597
00:29:04,876 --> 00:29:06,709
Mucklow:
<i>He wanted me to</i>

598
00:29:07,584 --> 00:29:10,083
open the airstairs.

599
00:29:10,167 --> 00:29:14,542
Rataczak:
<i>There is a bulkhead</i>
<i>door that opens inward,</i>

600
00:29:14,626 --> 00:29:18,000
<i>and it's very noisy
when that door was open.</i>

601
00:29:18,083 --> 00:29:20,542
Mucklow:
<i>At that point, he just said,</i>

602
00:29:20,626 --> 00:29:23,751
"I'll do it.
You go up front."

603
00:29:23,834 --> 00:29:26,500
Rataczak:
<i>And all of a sudden,</i>
<i>the cockpit door opens,</i>

604
00:29:26,584 --> 00:29:28,918
<i>and it's Tina.
And I said, "Tina,</i>

605
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:30,459
<i>"I've never been
so happy in my life</i>

606
00:29:30,542 --> 00:29:33,292
to see a young lady as you."

607
00:29:33,375 --> 00:29:35,000
-(cranking)
-(alarm blaring)

608
00:29:35,083 --> 00:29:37,751
<i>So he's taken over
the telephone back there.</i>

609
00:29:37,834 --> 00:29:40,709
<i>So the first thing we hear is</i>

610
00:29:40,792 --> 00:29:44,083
<i>-he's got the door open.</i>
-(alarm continues)

611
00:29:44,167 --> 00:29:45,918
Now it gets really noisy.

612
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,792
-(rattling loudly)
<i>-And so,</i>

613
00:29:48,876 --> 00:29:51,334
<i>he's...</i>

614
00:29:51,417 --> 00:29:54,083
(PA, distorted):
"I can't get the,
the stairs down.

615
00:29:54,167 --> 00:29:57,334
I can't get the stairs down.
The stairs won't open up."

616
00:29:57,417 --> 00:29:59,042
(undistorted, imitates wind)
All this noise.

617
00:29:59,125 --> 00:30:02,042
<i>Because the stairs
will not come down</i>

618
00:30:02,125 --> 00:30:04,584
<i>all the way because
there's too much wind.</i>

619
00:30:04,667 --> 00:30:06,459
♪ ♪

620
00:30:06,542 --> 00:30:09,667
<i>We slowed the airplane down,
and I got on the phone
then and said,</i>

621
00:30:09,751 --> 00:30:12,209
"Alright, now you should
be able to lower the stairs."

622
00:30:12,292 --> 00:30:15,584
-(wind blowing)
-(alarm blaring)

623
00:30:17,876 --> 00:30:19,792
(mechanical whirring)

624
00:30:19,876 --> 00:30:22,209
Then we got a big bump.

625
00:30:22,292 --> 00:30:26,000
-(loud bang)
-Rataczak:
<i>We felt those stairs</i>

626
00:30:26,083 --> 00:30:29,250
bounce back and closed,

627
00:30:29,334 --> 00:30:31,459
and we felt a pressure
bump in our ears.

628
00:30:31,542 --> 00:30:34,792
-(engines whining)
-(rattling, wind blowing)

629
00:30:39,167 --> 00:30:42,250
Anderson:
<i>Bill turned around and said,</i>

630
00:30:42,334 --> 00:30:44,918
<i>and he said this
over the air...</i>

631
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:46,751
Mark your screens

632
00:30:46,834 --> 00:30:49,626
'cause I think our friend
just took leave of us.

633
00:30:49,709 --> 00:30:52,876
-(rattling)
-(alarm blaring)

634
00:31:00,918 --> 00:31:04,042
(alarm fades away)

635
00:31:06,292 --> 00:31:08,918
♪ ♪

636
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,042
(traffic noise)

637
00:31:13,959 --> 00:31:16,209
Fuhriman:
<i>Seattle had just gone</i>
<i>through what they called</i>

638
00:31:16,292 --> 00:31:18,292
<i>the Great Boeing Bust.</i>

639
00:31:18,375 --> 00:31:21,292
<i>It was a Boeing town largely.</i>

640
00:31:21,375 --> 00:31:25,584
<i>And so, when Boeing laid off
something like 60,000 people,</i>

641
00:31:25,667 --> 00:31:29,125
it just devastated
the whole city.

642
00:31:32,375 --> 00:31:34,834
Man:
<i>This is in anticipation</i>

643
00:31:34,918 --> 00:31:38,209
of early direction from
the Department of Transportation

644
00:31:38,292 --> 00:31:40,250
to close the program down.

645
00:31:43,042 --> 00:31:46,125
Fuhriman:
<i>The economy was hurting.</i>

646
00:31:46,209 --> 00:31:48,209
In fact, there was
a billboard that we saw

647
00:31:48,292 --> 00:31:50,292
when we drove into
town that said,

648
00:31:50,375 --> 00:31:54,083
<i>"Will the last person
out of Seattle
turn out the lights."</i>

649
00:31:56,834 --> 00:31:59,834
Gray:
<i>You think about the time in</i>
<i>which the jump took place.</i>

650
00:32:01,209 --> 00:32:02,292
<i>Poverty.</i>

651
00:32:02,375 --> 00:32:04,834
People, especially in
the Pacific Northwest,

652
00:32:04,918 --> 00:32:06,375
were losing their jobs.

653
00:32:06,459 --> 00:32:08,334
They're losing their
jobs to big machines.

654
00:32:08,417 --> 00:32:10,918
They're losing their
jobs to corporations.

655
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,209
(clicking)

656
00:32:12,292 --> 00:32:15,792
<i>So along comes Cooper,
who sticks it to everybody,</i>

657
00:32:15,876 --> 00:32:18,792
<i>and walks away
with the cash scot-free.</i>

658
00:32:18,876 --> 00:32:21,083
<i>And so, I think
the Robin Hood element</i>

659
00:32:21,167 --> 00:32:23,876
<i>represented
an act of defiance.</i>

660
00:32:23,959 --> 00:32:26,125
I think he's one of the slickest
cats that ever walked

661
00:32:26,209 --> 00:32:27,542
on the face of
the Earth right now.

662
00:32:27,626 --> 00:32:29,292
-Reporter: You think
he's sort of a hero?
-Oh, sure.

663
00:32:29,375 --> 00:32:32,125
I just think that any time that
a fellow's got this much nerve,

664
00:32:32,209 --> 00:32:33,792
and is successful this far that

665
00:32:33,876 --> 00:32:35,459
everybody's kinda rooting
for him a little bit.

666
00:32:35,542 --> 00:32:38,626
But, uh, the man's
beat the system
so to speak a little bit.

667
00:32:38,709 --> 00:32:42,042
And I respect a man
who takes his time

668
00:32:42,125 --> 00:32:44,125
to do a job well done.

669
00:32:44,209 --> 00:32:45,542
(clicking)

670
00:32:45,626 --> 00:32:47,709
Gray:
<i>The cult of Cooper started</i>

671
00:32:47,792 --> 00:32:50,459
<i>before the plane even landed.</i>

672
00:32:52,751 --> 00:32:55,375
<i>Even though it was a crime,
there's a whole community</i>

673
00:32:55,459 --> 00:32:57,834
<i>of people who are
obsessed with this story.</i>

674
00:32:57,918 --> 00:33:00,876
♪ ♪

675
00:33:00,959 --> 00:33:03,584
(birds chirping)

676
00:33:03,667 --> 00:33:06,626
Jerry Thomas:
<i>I started walking</i>
<i>these woods</i>

677
00:33:06,709 --> 00:33:08,375
<i>back in 1988.</i>

678
00:33:09,584 --> 00:33:14,292
<i>That's about
31 years now total.</i>

679
00:33:14,375 --> 00:33:16,417
Dower:
How much area
have you covered?

680
00:33:16,500 --> 00:33:19,250
Oh, more than
I care to remember.

681
00:33:19,334 --> 00:33:21,667
(birds chirping)

682
00:33:21,751 --> 00:33:25,250
Dower:
<i>And how would you</i>
<i>describe the terrain?</i>

683
00:33:25,334 --> 00:33:27,125
Thomas:
<i>Oh, man.</i>

684
00:33:27,209 --> 00:33:30,000
<i>Gotta be some of the roughest
terrain on Earth.</i>

685
00:33:33,834 --> 00:33:37,042
<i>You're not gonna be looking
for a body at this point.</i>

686
00:33:37,125 --> 00:33:41,751
<i>At this point, you're gonna
be looking for a parachute.</i>

687
00:33:41,834 --> 00:33:43,876
That's what you're looking for.

688
00:33:45,334 --> 00:33:49,292
Dower:
<i>So you've spent</i>
<i>31 years looking,</i>

689
00:33:49,375 --> 00:33:52,584
<i>not for DB Cooper,
but for his parachute.</i>

690
00:33:52,667 --> 00:33:54,876
Thomas:
<i>Right.</i>

691
00:33:54,959 --> 00:33:57,250
<i>He didn't make it
out alive that night.</i>

692
00:33:57,334 --> 00:34:00,209
<i>That's an impossible
thing for him to do.
He died that night.</i>

693
00:34:00,292 --> 00:34:03,375
-Dower: You believe.
-I know.

694
00:34:03,459 --> 00:34:05,792
<i>I served in the military
for 20 years.</i>

695
00:34:05,876 --> 00:34:08,000
<i>I enjoyed it. I miss it,</i>

696
00:34:08,083 --> 00:34:10,209
<i>basically.</i>

697
00:34:11,334 --> 00:34:12,292
<i>That's about it.</i>

698
00:34:12,375 --> 00:34:14,751
-Dower: Vietnam?
-Yeah.

699
00:34:14,834 --> 00:34:16,626
-Dower:<i> Special Forces?</i>
-Thomas:<i> Yeah.</i>

700
00:34:16,709 --> 00:34:18,209
♪ ♪

701
00:34:18,292 --> 00:34:20,834
<i>I got out of the military,
and I didn't really...</i>

702
00:34:21,959 --> 00:34:24,584
<i>I just didn't fit in.</i>

703
00:34:26,167 --> 00:34:29,584
I withdrew. I lived off
the grid for 10 years.

704
00:34:29,667 --> 00:34:34,667
I didn't really care that much
to be around a lot of people.

705
00:34:34,751 --> 00:34:36,626
Dower:
<i>And what do you think</i>
<i>about when you're,</i>

706
00:34:36,709 --> 00:34:40,667
<i>you know, walking
the woods out here?</i>

707
00:34:40,751 --> 00:34:44,292
Thomas:
<i>Actually, not really much of</i>
<i>anything. Just a blank mind</i>

708
00:34:44,375 --> 00:34:47,834
<i>to keep my, um,
train of thought</i>

709
00:34:47,918 --> 00:34:52,083
as to what's beneath my feet.

710
00:34:52,167 --> 00:34:54,834
Dower:
<i>If he died out here,</i>
<i>would you not have found him?</i>

711
00:34:54,918 --> 00:34:56,751
Thomas:
<i>No, not necessarily.</i>

712
00:34:56,834 --> 00:35:00,167
<i>There was a man that crashed
his aircraft up here.</i>

713
00:35:00,250 --> 00:35:03,167
<i>A hunter found his skull</i>

714
00:35:03,250 --> 00:35:06,042
and parts of the aircraft
60 years later.

715
00:35:06,125 --> 00:35:07,751
Now, you tell me.

716
00:35:09,209 --> 00:35:10,626
(chirping)

717
00:35:10,709 --> 00:35:12,709
<i>I just would like to
see this case solved.</i>

718
00:35:12,792 --> 00:35:15,209
<i>I don't care who solves it.</i>

719
00:35:15,292 --> 00:35:18,542
<i>But, um, oh, yeah,
I'll keep looking.</i>

720
00:35:22,292 --> 00:35:26,000
Dower:
<i>How would it be possible for</i>
<i>him to land without any trace?</i>

721
00:35:28,250 --> 00:35:30,042
You know...

722
00:35:30,125 --> 00:35:33,792
in that area of the country...

723
00:35:33,876 --> 00:35:36,500
under good conditions,
or even under bad conditions

724
00:35:36,584 --> 00:35:38,000
like the ones he jumped in,

725
00:35:38,083 --> 00:35:40,626
if he were able to
hit an open space

726
00:35:40,709 --> 00:35:43,000
and land and recover
the parachute,

727
00:35:43,083 --> 00:35:45,042
get up and walk away,

728
00:35:45,125 --> 00:35:47,375
it's very possible.

729
00:35:47,459 --> 00:35:50,334
<i>There were other episodes
that followed,
one in particular</i>

730
00:35:50,417 --> 00:35:52,334
<i>involving a guy
named Richard McCoy</i>

731
00:35:52,417 --> 00:35:54,417
<i>where he did a similar thing,
where he jumped</i>

732
00:35:54,500 --> 00:35:58,000
<i>out of an airplane
and was able to survive.</i>

733
00:35:58,083 --> 00:36:01,167
♪ ♪

734
00:36:04,417 --> 00:36:07,167
(traffic noise)

735
00:36:11,918 --> 00:36:13,083
(thunder rumbling)

736
00:36:13,167 --> 00:36:16,792
Dower:
<i>How did you know</i>
<i>Richard Floyd McCoy?</i>

737
00:36:16,876 --> 00:36:20,250
Anjewierden:
<i>We were in</i>
<i>the National Guard together.</i>

738
00:36:20,334 --> 00:36:22,876
I was in the Special Forces,

739
00:36:22,959 --> 00:36:26,834
and he was in the engineers,
but quite often,

740
00:36:26,918 --> 00:36:28,751
he'd come and fly with us.

741
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,375
<i>And McCoy was a fun
one to fly with.</i>

742
00:36:32,459 --> 00:36:35,083
<i>He was very adventurous.</i>

743
00:36:36,334 --> 00:36:39,542
<i>He was a Mormon,
and he was...</i>

744
00:36:40,918 --> 00:36:44,584
<i>a group leader in Vietnam.</i>

745
00:36:44,667 --> 00:36:47,709
Dower:
And he was a war hero
as well, wasn't he?

746
00:36:47,792 --> 00:36:52,042
I understand that he had
received quite a few...

747
00:36:52,125 --> 00:36:53,459
medals in Vietnam.

748
00:36:53,542 --> 00:36:58,751
<i>And McCoy ended up
being my roommate.</i>

749
00:36:58,834 --> 00:37:02,500
And he talked an awful
lot about hijacking.

750
00:37:02,584 --> 00:37:04,792
(quiet chatter)

751
00:37:04,876 --> 00:37:07,751
<i>You've gotta remember</i>

752
00:37:07,834 --> 00:37:10,584
<i>that I was
a Special Forces officer.</i>

753
00:37:10,667 --> 00:37:13,667
<i>And in there,
we would plan raids,</i>

754
00:37:13,751 --> 00:37:16,000
<i>and ambushes,</i>

755
00:37:16,083 --> 00:37:19,083
and in this case,
we just carried it

756
00:37:19,167 --> 00:37:21,959
a little further.
"What would you do?"

757
00:37:22,042 --> 00:37:25,500
♪ ♪

758
00:37:25,584 --> 00:37:27,292
<i>We did some brainstorming,</i>

759
00:37:27,375 --> 00:37:30,667
<i>and we would discuss
things like...</i>

760
00:37:30,751 --> 00:37:33,918
<i>that you come in disguise?</i>

761
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:35,500
<i>Things like that.</i>

762
00:37:35,584 --> 00:37:36,834
Dower:
<i>So would you act out</i>

763
00:37:36,918 --> 00:37:39,292
scenarios of how
you would do it?

764
00:37:39,375 --> 00:37:40,709
(chuckles)

765
00:37:40,792 --> 00:37:43,167
I guess that's basically it.

766
00:37:43,250 --> 00:37:46,667
Trust me.
I wasn't serious at all.

767
00:37:46,751 --> 00:37:48,918
Dower:
<i>So these conversations came up</i>

768
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,334
<i>after the DB Cooper hijacking.</i>

769
00:37:51,417 --> 00:37:53,667
Anjewierden:
<i>Right. He would</i>

770
00:37:53,751 --> 00:37:55,667
appear to be fascinated with it

771
00:37:55,751 --> 00:37:58,292
because DB Cooper had--

772
00:37:58,375 --> 00:38:01,334
had already done
his thing then, see.

773
00:38:01,417 --> 00:38:03,500
♪

774
00:38:06,626 --> 00:38:09,792
Nick O'Hara:
<i>McCoy, using the name</i>
<i>James Johnson,</i>

775
00:38:09,876 --> 00:38:12,667
boarded a flight to Colorado,

776
00:38:12,751 --> 00:38:15,751
then to LA.
And in the process,

777
00:38:15,834 --> 00:38:17,834
<i>produced a note,</i>

778
00:38:17,918 --> 00:38:19,584
<i>a handgun, a grenade,</i>

779
00:38:19,667 --> 00:38:21,792
<i>and demanded
a half-million bucks.</i>

780
00:38:21,876 --> 00:38:23,209
♪ ♪

781
00:38:23,292 --> 00:38:27,375
He basically
followed the instructions that

782
00:38:27,459 --> 00:38:30,876
Dan Cooper had given in Seattle.

783
00:38:30,959 --> 00:38:33,417
<i>Not to say that they're
the same person and not that</i>

784
00:38:33,500 --> 00:38:35,209
<i>McCoy didn't go to
school on Cooper,</i>

785
00:38:35,292 --> 00:38:37,292
<i>but there is such</i>

786
00:38:37,375 --> 00:38:41,083
a remarkable, um...

787
00:38:41,167 --> 00:38:43,334
pattern that's followed in

788
00:38:43,417 --> 00:38:46,626
the McCoy that was used
in the Cooper case

789
00:38:46,709 --> 00:38:50,209
that people say you could
almost overlay them.

790
00:38:50,292 --> 00:38:52,834
Reporter:
<i>The young man wanted $500,000</i>

791
00:38:52,918 --> 00:38:55,000
<i>and requested four parachutes.</i>

792
00:38:55,083 --> 00:38:57,167
♪ ♪

793
00:38:57,250 --> 00:38:59,042
O'Hara:
<i>So once he gets airborne,</i>

794
00:38:59,125 --> 00:39:02,709
<i>he is aware now how to
redeploy the rear airstairs.</i>

795
00:39:02,792 --> 00:39:05,250
Which the first
aircraft hijacking,

796
00:39:05,334 --> 00:39:07,918
Cooper had to have
help doing that.

797
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:11,250
<i>McCoy deploys
the airstairs, bails out,</i>

798
00:39:11,334 --> 00:39:13,876
<i>lands near Provo.</i>

799
00:39:13,959 --> 00:39:16,417
Anjewierden:
<i>I was right here,</i>

800
00:39:16,500 --> 00:39:19,375
<i>and I discussed with the wife.</i>

801
00:39:19,459 --> 00:39:21,584
<i>"I wonder if that's McCoy?"</i>

802
00:39:22,959 --> 00:39:25,334
<i>And called the FBI.</i>

803
00:39:27,834 --> 00:39:30,083
<i>Then they went to his house,</i>

804
00:39:30,167 --> 00:39:33,375
<i>searched it,
and found</i>

805
00:39:33,459 --> 00:39:36,167
half a million dollars
up in the attic.

806
00:39:37,292 --> 00:39:39,584
Minus $20.

807
00:39:39,667 --> 00:39:42,250
He'd pulled a $20 bill off

808
00:39:42,334 --> 00:39:44,292
for lunch.

809
00:39:44,375 --> 00:39:46,209
Reporter:
<i>He was arrested</i>
<i>here in his home</i>

810
00:39:46,292 --> 00:39:48,959
<i>in Provo, Utah,
early this morning.</i>

811
00:39:49,042 --> 00:39:51,959
<i>He was dressed for
a National Guard drill today.</i>

812
00:39:52,042 --> 00:39:55,542
<i>And when the FBI men came,
he did not resist.</i>

813
00:39:55,626 --> 00:39:57,417
♪ ♪

814
00:39:57,500 --> 00:39:59,709
Anjewierden:
<i>I think he knew</i>
<i>the jig was up.</i>

815
00:40:01,834 --> 00:40:03,834
And he told me...

816
00:40:03,918 --> 00:40:06,375
"You know, some of that
money was for you."

817
00:40:07,459 --> 00:40:08,667
You know?

818
00:40:08,751 --> 00:40:10,626
Well, shoot,
you shoulda told me!

819
00:40:13,042 --> 00:40:15,459
<i>And I'll be honest...</i>

820
00:40:15,542 --> 00:40:18,667
<i>I felt like I'd betrayed him.</i>

821
00:40:18,751 --> 00:40:21,584
<i>But I knew it was
the right thing to do.</i>

822
00:40:24,959 --> 00:40:29,500
This is the sketch of
DB Cooper

823
00:40:29,584 --> 00:40:32,000
from witnesses
on the aircraft.

824
00:40:34,042 --> 00:40:36,626
And this is
an arrest photograph

825
00:40:36,709 --> 00:40:39,125
of Richard McCoy.

826
00:40:39,209 --> 00:40:40,375
And...

827
00:40:40,459 --> 00:40:43,250
people can look at that
and form their own conclusions.

828
00:40:44,792 --> 00:40:47,292
You think McCoy
looks like Cooper?

829
00:40:49,125 --> 00:40:52,167
-(engines roaring)
-(radio chatter)

830
00:40:52,250 --> 00:40:54,209
(tires screech)

831
00:40:59,542 --> 00:41:01,667
Dower:
<i>And so you finally</i>
<i>land in Reno.</i>

832
00:41:02,542 --> 00:41:03,959
Yes, we do, John.

833
00:41:04,042 --> 00:41:08,542
♪ ♪

834
00:41:08,626 --> 00:41:11,417
<i>We got off the airplane.
We hugged each other,</i>

835
00:41:11,500 --> 00:41:15,042
and there's
a great sigh of relief.

836
00:41:15,125 --> 00:41:18,375
Mucklow:
<i>It really wasn't until</i>
<i>I got in the FBI car</i>

837
00:41:18,459 --> 00:41:22,083
<i>that I think
the aftermath hit me.</i>

838
00:41:23,375 --> 00:41:27,375
<i>As I sat down and then
Bill got in the car,</i>

839
00:41:27,459 --> 00:41:30,125
I just burst into tears,

840
00:41:30,209 --> 00:41:32,959
and just sobbed for
a couple minutes, you know.

841
00:41:33,042 --> 00:41:35,167
That was kinda
the release of it all.

842
00:41:35,250 --> 00:41:37,918
(inaudible)

843
00:41:38,000 --> 00:41:39,876
-Dower:<i> But it was over.</i>
-Rataczak:<i> Well,</i>

844
00:41:39,959 --> 00:41:42,876
<i>um, it was what...</i>

845
00:41:43,667 --> 00:41:45,250
(clicks tongue)

846
00:41:49,167 --> 00:41:53,125
Young Rataczak:
<i>We felt, in this</i>
<i>specific situation,</i>

847
00:41:53,209 --> 00:41:56,918
that we had his confidence.
We felt he...

848
00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:00,584
was assured that we were
honoring his requests...

849
00:42:00,667 --> 00:42:04,375
and therefore, we made no
attempt to impede his...

850
00:42:05,584 --> 00:42:08,459
the completion of his mission,
if you will.

851
00:42:08,542 --> 00:42:11,876
He was not nervous.
He seemed rather nice.

852
00:42:11,959 --> 00:42:14,459
He never tried to harm myself

853
00:42:14,542 --> 00:42:18,375
and although he was
impatient a few times,

854
00:42:18,459 --> 00:42:21,542
<i>he was never cruel
or nasty or,</i>

855
00:42:21,626 --> 00:42:25,959
<i>um, impolite to me
in any way.</i>

856
00:42:26,042 --> 00:42:28,542
Anderson:
<i>They wanted to get</i>
<i>the airplane to Seattle</i>

857
00:42:28,626 --> 00:42:29,876
<i>as soon as they could</i>

858
00:42:29,959 --> 00:42:33,834
<i>because they still had
the passenger baggage onboard.</i>

859
00:42:34,876 --> 00:42:37,125
We boarded up the backstairs,

860
00:42:37,209 --> 00:42:39,834
and came on,
and we hear cheers

861
00:42:39,918 --> 00:42:42,167
and clapping. (laughs)

862
00:42:43,250 --> 00:42:45,459
That makes me emotional.
I'm sorry.

863
00:42:45,542 --> 00:42:47,459
♪ ♪

864
00:42:47,542 --> 00:42:50,250
There's a huge manhunt on
in the state of Washington

865
00:42:50,334 --> 00:42:53,083
for the middle-aged man
who hijacked a jetliner

866
00:42:53,167 --> 00:42:56,167
and got $200,000
in ransom money,

867
00:42:56,250 --> 00:42:58,751
then escaped by
parachuting into the night

868
00:42:58,834 --> 00:43:00,417
from the hijacked plane.

869
00:43:00,500 --> 00:43:03,042
Reporter 1:
<i>They're looking around here</i>
<i>because the hijacked crew</i>

870
00:43:03,125 --> 00:43:05,250
<i>felt a bump as they
flew over here.</i>

871
00:43:05,334 --> 00:43:07,709
<i>Perhaps the hijacker
jumping out.</i>

872
00:43:07,792 --> 00:43:09,667
Reporter 2:
<i>The morning after the skyjack,</i>

873
00:43:09,751 --> 00:43:11,167
<i>the FBI launched NORJAK,</i>

874
00:43:11,250 --> 00:43:13,834
<i>the codename for
the biggest manhunt</i>

875
00:43:13,918 --> 00:43:16,167
<i>the Portland office
had ever seen.</i>

876
00:43:16,250 --> 00:43:17,751
<i>The FBI had enlisted the aid</i>

877
00:43:17,834 --> 00:43:20,751
<i>of an Army battalion,
the local police,</i>

878
00:43:20,834 --> 00:43:22,292
<i>and even the Boy Scouts.</i>

879
00:43:22,375 --> 00:43:25,083
Reporter 3:
<i>So, the searchers set</i>
<i>out to scour an area</i>

880
00:43:25,167 --> 00:43:27,334
<i>about five miles long
and one mile wide,</i>

881
00:43:27,417 --> 00:43:29,292
<i>where they felt they
had the best chances</i>

882
00:43:29,375 --> 00:43:31,334
<i>of finding something.
They don't know his real name.</i>

883
00:43:31,417 --> 00:43:33,959
<i>They probably wouldn't
know him if they saw him,</i>

884
00:43:34,042 --> 00:43:35,626
<i>and he had a big head start.</i>

885
00:43:35,709 --> 00:43:38,792
♪

886
00:43:44,584 --> 00:43:47,584
Smith:
<i>Well, you're in</i>
<i>Cooper country, so welcome.</i>

887
00:43:50,250 --> 00:43:53,834
-Dower:<i> Is this also</i>
<i>where you do your writing?</i>
-Smith:<i> Yes. Right here, baby.</i>

888
00:43:53,918 --> 00:43:55,292
This is action central.

889
00:43:55,375 --> 00:43:58,584
We are sitting in
the center of my world.

890
00:43:58,667 --> 00:44:00,834
Dower:
And this is where
you wrote your book...

891
00:44:00,918 --> 00:44:02,751
-Yep.
-"DB Cooper & the FBI"?

892
00:44:02,834 --> 00:44:04,626
Correct. Right here.

893
00:44:04,709 --> 00:44:07,792
♪ ♪

894
00:44:08,751 --> 00:44:10,459
(helicopter whirring)

895
00:44:10,542 --> 00:44:12,209
Reporter:
<i>An FBI spokesman in Portland,</i>

896
00:44:12,292 --> 00:44:14,083
<i>who declined
an on-camera interview,</i>

897
00:44:14,167 --> 00:44:16,209
<i>said his agents are
checking for clues</i>

898
00:44:16,292 --> 00:44:18,334
<i>and circulating
a composite picture</i>

899
00:44:18,417 --> 00:44:22,167
<i>in a 200-mile corridor south
to the California border.</i>

900
00:44:27,459 --> 00:44:30,000
(birds chirping)

901
00:44:31,709 --> 00:44:34,751
Smith:
<i>Where do we go</i>
<i>looking for DB Cooper?</i>

902
00:44:34,834 --> 00:44:36,500
<i>They're asking
Northwest Orient,</i>

903
00:44:36,584 --> 00:44:38,083
<i>"Where was your plane
when Cooper jumped?"</i>

904
00:44:38,167 --> 00:44:39,959
<i>"Well, we don't know
where the plane was,</i>

905
00:44:40,042 --> 00:44:42,250
<i>"but we know it was
8:13 in the evening.</i>

906
00:44:42,334 --> 00:44:44,459
<i>It would've been
around here somewhere."</i>

907
00:44:44,542 --> 00:44:46,459
<i>Well, around here is about</i>

908
00:44:46,542 --> 00:44:49,584
<i>20 to 25 miles of woods.</i>

909
00:44:49,667 --> 00:44:53,375
So Cooper had 40 hours lead

910
00:44:53,459 --> 00:44:56,709
before anybody was on
the ground looking for him.

911
00:44:56,792 --> 00:44:59,876
♪ ♪

912
00:45:02,125 --> 00:45:04,751
Fuhriman:
<i>And they brought in</i>
<i>some military people,</i>

913
00:45:04,834 --> 00:45:08,375
<i>as well as FBI agents.
There were a lot of people</i>

914
00:45:08,459 --> 00:45:10,375
<i>searching the mountain
area for him,</i>

915
00:45:10,459 --> 00:45:13,083
or for any remains of
whatever might be there.

916
00:45:13,167 --> 00:45:14,459
(helicopter whirring)

917
00:45:14,542 --> 00:45:16,334
Trooper:
<i>He either got away,</i>
<i>or else he sure made</i>

918
00:45:16,417 --> 00:45:17,876
<i>a big hole in
the ground up there.</i>

919
00:45:17,959 --> 00:45:19,584
And if he made
a hole in the ground,

920
00:45:19,667 --> 00:45:21,667
he's gonna be hard to find also.

921
00:45:21,751 --> 00:45:23,292
Fuhriman:
<i>I think there's a good chance</i>

922
00:45:23,375 --> 00:45:26,250
<i>that he hit a tree or a rock</i>

923
00:45:26,334 --> 00:45:30,626
<i>or fell in a body
of water and died.</i>

924
00:45:30,709 --> 00:45:34,375
I also think he might've known
enough about what he was doing

925
00:45:34,459 --> 00:45:37,500
that he was able to steer
himself into an area

926
00:45:37,584 --> 00:45:41,209
where he could land
and get out and go.

927
00:45:41,292 --> 00:45:43,792
♪ ♪

928
00:45:43,876 --> 00:45:47,167
Mitchell:
<i>I had FBI over for</i>
<i>probably over a year,</i>

929
00:45:47,250 --> 00:45:49,250
<i>two or three times</i>

930
00:45:49,334 --> 00:45:51,417
a week, with pictures.

931
00:45:51,500 --> 00:45:54,584
I mean, they'd always come
with 10 pictures.

932
00:45:55,751 --> 00:45:57,375
(clicking)

933
00:45:57,459 --> 00:46:00,083
<i>They were making
a composite drawing.</i>

934
00:46:00,167 --> 00:46:02,334
Fuhriman:
<i>Well, from</i>
<i>the composite picture,</i>

935
00:46:02,417 --> 00:46:06,542
<i>he had a slender
face and, and, uh...</i>

936
00:46:06,626 --> 00:46:09,667
<i>a Caucasian, maybe
dark Caucasian features.</i>

937
00:46:09,751 --> 00:46:11,709
Gray:
<i>It was very thin</i>
<i>hair to the sides,</i>

938
00:46:11,792 --> 00:46:13,417
<i>almost a little balding.</i>

939
00:46:13,500 --> 00:46:15,167
<i>There was a very thin nose.</i>

940
00:46:15,250 --> 00:46:17,626
<i>There was sunglasses
over the eyes,</i>

941
00:46:17,709 --> 00:46:19,375
<i>one without sunglasses,</i>

942
00:46:19,459 --> 00:46:22,125
<i>but how would they know
what his eyes looked like?</i>

943
00:46:22,209 --> 00:46:25,459
Fuhriman:
<i>Uh, no unusual...</i>

944
00:46:25,542 --> 00:46:28,042
<i>identifying characteristics.</i>

945
00:46:29,792 --> 00:46:32,542
The picture on your left is

946
00:46:32,626 --> 00:46:36,500
the artist's conception
of the hijacker.

947
00:46:36,584 --> 00:46:39,334
The picture on the right
is a picture of me.

948
00:46:39,417 --> 00:46:42,083
When I got a copy of the sketch,

949
00:46:42,167 --> 00:46:45,292
I sent it to my mother without
saying anything about it.

950
00:46:46,375 --> 00:46:48,125
Her comment back to me was,

951
00:46:48,209 --> 00:46:50,209
"Who did that sketch of you?

952
00:46:50,292 --> 00:46:52,667
Looks pretty accurate." (laughs)

953
00:46:52,751 --> 00:46:55,876
And I go, whoa, whoa, whoa!
That's not me.

954
00:46:55,959 --> 00:46:59,959
(water lapping)

955
00:47:00,042 --> 00:47:02,918
Smith:
<i>Well, I'm one of the few</i>
<i>people that put a harsh light,</i>

956
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,584
<i>or I like to think</i>

957
00:47:04,667 --> 00:47:07,250
<i>a strong light, on the FBI.</i>

958
00:47:07,334 --> 00:47:10,000
<i>In 1971, the FBI,</i>

959
00:47:10,083 --> 00:47:11,959
I think fairly,
was considered to be

960
00:47:12,042 --> 00:47:14,751
the premier law enforcement
agency in the world.

961
00:47:14,834 --> 00:47:19,125
<i>But we now know that bigness
does not mean greatness.</i>

962
00:47:19,209 --> 00:47:22,500
<i>And there were a lot of gaps,
and a lot of limitations.</i>

963
00:47:22,584 --> 00:47:24,417
Dower: They lost the most
valuable piece of evidence.

964
00:47:24,500 --> 00:47:26,125
Oh, they've lost
a ton of stuff!

965
00:47:26,209 --> 00:47:28,417
♪ ♪

966
00:47:28,500 --> 00:47:30,083
<i>They lost the cigarette butts.</i>

967
00:47:30,167 --> 00:47:33,167
<i>The cigarette butts
are probably</i>

968
00:47:33,250 --> 00:47:36,709
the most salient piece
of evidence right now

969
00:47:36,792 --> 00:47:39,959
because we now have DNA testing.

970
00:47:43,876 --> 00:47:47,876
-Dower:<i> So what happened</i>
<i>to the cigarette butt?</i>
-Montoya:<i> Good question.</i>

971
00:47:47,959 --> 00:47:49,834
A very, very good question.

972
00:47:49,918 --> 00:47:54,209
Um, I don't know.
I can't answer that question

973
00:47:54,292 --> 00:47:56,417
because I don't know
what happened to them.

974
00:47:58,334 --> 00:48:01,125
Dower:
<i>Some say they</i>
<i>might've been lost.</i>

975
00:48:02,667 --> 00:48:05,834
Montoya:
<i>That's always a possibility.</i>

976
00:48:05,918 --> 00:48:09,000
-Dower: Is anyone
looking for them?
-You know, I,

977
00:48:09,083 --> 00:48:11,417
I think there have
been multiple efforts

978
00:48:11,500 --> 00:48:14,167
over the last four decades

979
00:48:14,250 --> 00:48:17,417
to do so, um, but I don't...

980
00:48:18,709 --> 00:48:20,459
I don't know what
the answer is to that.

981
00:48:20,542 --> 00:48:23,584
They're-- They weren't
available to us, so.

982
00:48:23,667 --> 00:48:25,250
Dower:
There were also issues with

983
00:48:25,334 --> 00:48:27,250
the fingerprinting
on board the plane
after it landed in Reno.

984
00:48:27,334 --> 00:48:30,000
Smith:
<i>Oh! What a mess that is.</i>

985
00:48:30,083 --> 00:48:32,459
<i>What a mess.
To this day, I don't know</i>

986
00:48:32,542 --> 00:48:35,083
<i>how many fingerprints
were recovered.</i>

987
00:48:35,167 --> 00:48:38,083
<i>That is total meshugas!</i>

988
00:48:39,918 --> 00:48:43,500
Dower:
<i>I mean, do you think it was</i>
<i>fair to say that the FBI</i>

989
00:48:45,042 --> 00:48:48,000
<i>made mistakes in this case?</i>

990
00:48:48,083 --> 00:48:51,500
(chuckles) I don't know
what you mean by mistakes.

991
00:48:51,584 --> 00:48:55,417
The FBI worked with the best
information available

992
00:48:56,709 --> 00:48:58,417
and used...

993
00:48:58,500 --> 00:49:01,250
the best judgment
that they could

994
00:49:01,334 --> 00:49:04,792
get together at the time
with the facts they had,

995
00:49:04,876 --> 00:49:07,792
and perhaps there
were mistakes made,

996
00:49:07,876 --> 00:49:11,751
which is not that unusual
in any investigation.

997
00:49:11,834 --> 00:49:14,959
-(river flowing)
-(birds chirping)

998
00:49:15,042 --> 00:49:18,792
Smith:
<i>Eight and a half years</i>
<i>after the skyjacking,</i>

999
00:49:20,459 --> 00:49:23,000
<i>the FBI had diddly squat.</i>

1000
00:49:23,083 --> 00:49:27,459
There was no hard evidence
in the DB Cooper case.

1001
00:49:27,542 --> 00:49:29,667
No body, no parachute,

1002
00:49:29,751 --> 00:49:31,667
no bomb, no briefcase,

1003
00:49:31,751 --> 00:49:33,584
no Cooper, no money.

1004
00:49:36,083 --> 00:49:37,542
<i>Then, in 1980...</i>

1005
00:49:37,626 --> 00:49:38,792
(birds chirping)

1006
00:49:38,876 --> 00:49:41,083
<i>a kid found three bundles</i>

1007
00:49:41,167 --> 00:49:44,667
<i>on a beach on
the Columbia River.</i>

1008
00:49:45,709 --> 00:49:48,250
Oh my God.

1009
00:49:48,334 --> 00:49:51,334
Bob Schieffer:
<i>A child has led the FBI</i>
<i>to the start of a trail</i>

1010
00:49:51,417 --> 00:49:52,709
<i>it hopes will help them solve</i>

1011
00:49:52,792 --> 00:49:55,459
<i>the eight-and-a-half-year-old
mystery of skyjacker</i>

1012
00:49:55,542 --> 00:49:58,876
DB Cooper. The first break
in the only unsolved

1013
00:49:58,959 --> 00:50:01,334
airplane hijacking in
United States history

1014
00:50:01,417 --> 00:50:03,167
<i>came on a Columbia River beach,</i>

1015
00:50:03,250 --> 00:50:05,542
<i>along the Oregon-
Washington border,</i>

1016
00:50:05,626 --> 00:50:08,584
<i>where an 8-year-old boy
dug up the shreds of</i>

1017
00:50:08,667 --> 00:50:10,584
<i>$3,000 on Sunday.</i>

1018
00:50:11,876 --> 00:50:14,083
Reporter:
<i>How do you feel right now?</i>

1019
00:50:14,167 --> 00:50:17,250
Well, I feel pretty good.

1020
00:50:17,334 --> 00:50:19,584
I'll feel a lot better after
we get the money though.

1021
00:50:19,667 --> 00:50:23,334
<i>You know, after it's all over.</i>

1022
00:50:23,417 --> 00:50:27,375
Smith:
<i>Now, the story gets</i>
<i>a little bit more complicated.</i>

1023
00:50:27,459 --> 00:50:30,542
There's no question that
the three bundles of money

1024
00:50:30,626 --> 00:50:33,584
were Cooper's money
from the ransom

1025
00:50:33,667 --> 00:50:36,542
<i>because the serial
numbers match up.</i>

1026
00:50:37,667 --> 00:50:39,250
<i>But, to this day,</i>

1027
00:50:39,334 --> 00:50:42,500
nobody knows how
that money got there.

1028
00:50:42,584 --> 00:50:44,209
Or when.

1029
00:50:44,292 --> 00:50:46,292
How long was it at the beach?

1030
00:50:46,375 --> 00:50:48,292
<i>Money was wet, soggy,</i>

1031
00:50:48,375 --> 00:50:51,250
<i>had holes in it.
It was very compressed.</i>

1032
00:50:51,334 --> 00:50:53,334
As if it had been under weight,

1033
00:50:53,417 --> 00:50:55,417
and the paper, the bills,

1034
00:50:55,500 --> 00:50:58,626
<i>were stuck together.
When you tried
to peel the bills off,</i>

1035
00:50:58,709 --> 00:51:00,375
<i>you'd get chunks.</i>

1036
00:51:00,459 --> 00:51:02,334
Dower:
But also the thing
about Tina-Bar is

1037
00:51:02,417 --> 00:51:05,292
it's 45 miles south
of where DB Cooper

1038
00:51:05,375 --> 00:51:08,000
-supposedly landed.
-Yep.

1039
00:51:09,626 --> 00:51:11,167
So how'd the money get there?

1040
00:51:11,250 --> 00:51:15,125
♪ ♪

1041
00:51:15,209 --> 00:51:17,959
Reporter 1:
<i>Finally, we close tonight</i>
<i>with a mystery story.</i>

1042
00:51:18,042 --> 00:51:20,334
<i>It has a villain
and a hero, but in this case,</i>

1043
00:51:20,417 --> 00:51:23,834
<i>they may be the same person.
A man in a dark suit</i>

1044
00:51:23,918 --> 00:51:27,125
<i>who bought a $20
one-way plane ticket</i>

1045
00:51:27,209 --> 00:51:28,792
<i>from Seattle to Portland...</i>

1046
00:51:28,876 --> 00:51:31,626
Weber:
<i>I'm gonna go smoke this,</i>
<i>or part of it anyway.</i>

1047
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,209
Reporter 2:
<i>At age 60, Jo Weber admits</i>

1048
00:51:37,292 --> 00:51:39,751
<i>she fell in love and fell hard</i>

1049
00:51:39,834 --> 00:51:43,709
<i>for a slick-looking,
smooth-talking
insurance salesman.</i>

1050
00:51:43,792 --> 00:51:46,584
<i>And since her husband's
death in 1995,</i>

1051
00:51:46,667 --> 00:51:49,584
<i>she's pieced together clues
dropped over the years.</i>

1052
00:51:49,667 --> 00:51:53,209
<i>In fact, a forensic artist
who has worked with the FBI</i>

1053
00:51:53,292 --> 00:51:55,417
<i>says the physical
similarities between</i>

1054
00:51:55,500 --> 00:51:57,292
<i>this composite sketch of Cooper</i>

1055
00:51:57,375 --> 00:52:00,292
<i>and a younger
Duane Weber are striking.</i>

1056
00:52:00,375 --> 00:52:02,959
What makes you so sure
that he's the guy?

1057
00:52:03,042 --> 00:52:06,500
There's too many pieces
of the puzzle that fit.

1058
00:52:06,584 --> 00:52:09,709
♪ ♪

1059
00:52:13,792 --> 00:52:16,042
Weber: Holy cow.

1060
00:52:16,125 --> 00:52:17,876
I don't know where
the albums are.

1061
00:52:17,959 --> 00:52:20,876
They are not where
they're supposed to be.

1062
00:52:21,959 --> 00:52:23,626
I'm starting to panic.

1063
00:52:24,918 --> 00:52:27,125
Collins:
This happens to me,
too, at home.

1064
00:52:27,209 --> 00:52:29,709
Dower:
<i>Remind me how you</i>
<i>two know each other.</i>

1065
00:52:29,792 --> 00:52:32,709
Collins:
<i>I grew up about</i>
<i>five miles from where</i>

1066
00:52:32,792 --> 00:52:37,167
<i>DB Cooper jumped,
so I was curious about</i>

1067
00:52:37,250 --> 00:52:39,542
what happened,
and contacted Jo,

1068
00:52:39,626 --> 00:52:43,626
and we've been
talking ever since.

1069
00:52:43,709 --> 00:52:46,250
-Weber: Okay. Yeah.
-Collins: Right there,
Sentimental journey.

1070
00:52:46,334 --> 00:52:48,500
-Collins: Right there.
-Weber: Yeah. We got it.

1071
00:52:48,584 --> 00:52:51,417
<i>Well, he's like a son to me.</i>

1072
00:52:51,500 --> 00:52:53,918
I mean, he has been...

1073
00:52:54,000 --> 00:52:56,792
been there when no one
else could give me answers.

1074
00:52:56,876 --> 00:52:59,042
He's brilliant.
He sees things

1075
00:52:59,125 --> 00:53:02,709
that other people
can't see like this.

1076
00:53:02,792 --> 00:53:05,250
This was the wallet
that we found

1077
00:53:05,334 --> 00:53:09,125
in the vehicle after he died.

1078
00:53:09,209 --> 00:53:12,209
-Dower: So that's
the driving license?
-Weber: This one is a fake one.

1079
00:53:12,292 --> 00:53:15,375
-Dower: John Carson Collins.
-Weber: I did not know

1080
00:53:15,459 --> 00:53:18,000
who that was, but that
was his picture on there.

1081
00:53:18,083 --> 00:53:19,709
Dower:
So was his real name

1082
00:53:19,792 --> 00:53:22,250
John Carson Collins
or Duane Weber?

1083
00:53:22,334 --> 00:53:24,375
Weber:
Duane Weber.

1084
00:53:24,459 --> 00:53:26,542
But he'd gone
and gotten fake IDs.

1085
00:53:26,626 --> 00:53:29,959
-Dower: That's all
the different IDs.
-Collins: Yes. Yeah.

1086
00:53:30,042 --> 00:53:32,083
What was all this about?

1087
00:53:32,167 --> 00:53:34,709
And then to find out
that he had actually been

1088
00:53:34,792 --> 00:53:38,334
in prison under
the name of John C. Collins.

1089
00:53:38,417 --> 00:53:40,500
These are in a very,
very old criminal file.

1090
00:53:40,584 --> 00:53:42,500
-Reporter: This is
your husband in prison?
-Weber: Yes.

1091
00:53:42,584 --> 00:53:45,709
Reporter:
<i>A man who she now</i>
<i>knows lived a lie,</i>

1092
00:53:45,792 --> 00:53:48,542
<i>and may have kept a secret
of legendary proportions.</i>

1093
00:53:48,626 --> 00:53:51,751
Collins:
This tax return really
meant something to me.

1094
00:53:51,834 --> 00:53:55,918
Right after the crime,
Duane purchased two cars.

1095
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:58,125
Brand new, paid cash.

1096
00:53:58,209 --> 00:54:00,542
He made that year

1097
00:54:00,626 --> 00:54:03,542
little more than $1,000.
He didn't have that much money.

1098
00:54:03,626 --> 00:54:05,375
He buys two new cars
right after the crime.

1099
00:54:05,459 --> 00:54:07,876
I mean, it was like...

1100
00:54:07,959 --> 00:54:10,042
a great, big puzzle!

1101
00:54:10,125 --> 00:54:11,918
It bugged the hell out of me,

1102
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,751
and it still bugs
the hell out of me.

1103
00:54:14,834 --> 00:54:19,417
He handed over his will
to her in the hospital,

1104
00:54:19,500 --> 00:54:22,375
with a safety deposit key
taped to the will.

1105
00:54:22,459 --> 00:54:25,542
<i>The one that you were able
to open, you found this.</i>

1106
00:54:25,626 --> 00:54:29,042
Dower:
Strange thing to leave in
a safety deposit box, isn't it?

1107
00:54:29,125 --> 00:54:32,709
Why would a guy who confessed
to DB Cooper have this magazine?

1108
00:54:33,876 --> 00:54:35,500
And my jaw drops.

1109
00:54:35,584 --> 00:54:37,918
"The Man Who Held the Secrets."

1110
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:39,751
-That's Duane.
-(Weber laughs)

1111
00:54:39,834 --> 00:54:42,125
Collins:
What secrets...

1112
00:54:42,209 --> 00:54:44,125
did we miss?
What did we miss?

1113
00:54:45,876 --> 00:54:48,250
Weber:
That's Duane up there.

1114
00:54:48,334 --> 00:54:50,167
Dower:
It's a very pretty urn.

1115
00:54:50,250 --> 00:54:52,876
Well, I figured, you know,

1116
00:54:52,959 --> 00:54:55,334
we'll be together again one day.

1117
00:54:55,417 --> 00:54:59,334
So, when they bury me,
that gets buried same time.

1118
00:55:00,876 --> 00:55:03,167
Dower:
<i>So you married Duane Weber.</i>

1119
00:55:03,250 --> 00:55:07,334
<i>He then tells you
on his death bed
that he's Dan Cooper,</i>

1120
00:55:07,417 --> 00:55:09,542
<i>and then a few months later,</i>

1121
00:55:09,626 --> 00:55:11,876
<i>you find a wallet in which</i>

1122
00:55:11,959 --> 00:55:14,918
-a driving license
says he's John Collins.
-Mm-hmm.

1123
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,167
You then started
having these memories,

1124
00:55:17,250 --> 00:55:19,417
strange things that
Duane told you,

1125
00:55:19,500 --> 00:55:21,918
places he took you.

1126
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:24,417
The picture fell together.

1127
00:55:24,500 --> 00:55:27,584
♪ ♪

1128
00:55:29,334 --> 00:55:32,500
(insects chirping)

1129
00:55:35,375 --> 00:55:39,042
Weber:
<i>We had a convention</i>
<i>in Seattle.</i>

1130
00:55:39,125 --> 00:55:42,500
<i>And he said,
"I want to go, uh...</i>

1131
00:55:42,584 --> 00:55:44,209
<i>a few days early."</i>

1132
00:55:46,500 --> 00:55:49,167
<i>He showed me
an awful lot of things</i>

1133
00:55:49,250 --> 00:55:52,876
<i>and I never did ask
a lot of questions.</i>

1134
00:55:55,834 --> 00:55:58,250
<i>One point he stopped at</i>

1135
00:55:58,334 --> 00:56:00,792
<i>was not too far
from Lake Merwin.</i>

1136
00:56:00,876 --> 00:56:03,876
And he pointed about at a place,

1137
00:56:03,959 --> 00:56:06,876
and he said something about,
"That's where Cooper

1138
00:56:06,959 --> 00:56:09,834
walked out of the woods."
And I didn't know
who Cooper was.

1139
00:56:16,626 --> 00:56:20,834
Dower:
<i>You basically went on a trip</i>
<i>to the DB Cooper drop zone.</i>

1140
00:56:22,250 --> 00:56:24,626
Weber:
<i>I labeled it</i>
<i>"the sentimental journey"</i>

1141
00:56:24,709 --> 00:56:26,584
because of all the places
he wanted to go to,

1142
00:56:26,667 --> 00:56:30,000
the places he took me to,
the places he disappeared.

1143
00:56:30,083 --> 00:56:33,167
♪ ♪

1144
00:56:48,751 --> 00:56:51,584
Dower:
Not long after Duane's
deathbed confession,

1145
00:56:51,667 --> 00:56:54,500
she started having
these memories,

1146
00:56:54,584 --> 00:56:56,209
and even pointed
to the woods

1147
00:56:56,292 --> 00:56:58,167
and says, "That's where
Cooper walked out."

1148
00:56:58,250 --> 00:57:01,834
Collins:
Right. So, she
remembered the journey,

1149
00:57:01,918 --> 00:57:04,500
but she didn't know
its significance

1150
00:57:04,584 --> 00:57:06,792
until she later...

1151
00:57:06,876 --> 00:57:09,417
understood who
Dan Cooper was.

1152
00:57:09,500 --> 00:57:11,667
Dower:
That's kind of your
role with Jo, isn't it?

1153
00:57:11,751 --> 00:57:13,626
You sort of help
put her memories

1154
00:57:13,709 --> 00:57:15,918
into some sort of order or...

1155
00:57:16,000 --> 00:57:18,667
I would say so.

1156
00:57:18,751 --> 00:57:21,959
I would say even today
she doesn't--
she has these memories

1157
00:57:22,042 --> 00:57:24,292
but she doesn't
quite understand

1158
00:57:24,375 --> 00:57:27,292
all the significance of
different parts of them.

1159
00:57:27,375 --> 00:57:30,626
Whereas I can listen,
I'll filter out a lot of it,

1160
00:57:30,709 --> 00:57:33,375
but I can pick out pieces

1161
00:57:33,459 --> 00:57:36,751
that seem, um, relevant.

1162
00:57:36,834 --> 00:57:38,000
♪ ♪

1163
00:57:38,083 --> 00:57:40,125
Weber:
<i>I remember when he stopped</i>

1164
00:57:40,209 --> 00:57:42,334
<i>at a place on the water.</i>

1165
00:57:42,417 --> 00:57:45,667
<i>There was a little
motel at that time</i>

1166
00:57:45,751 --> 00:57:48,667
<i>called the Red Lion.</i>

1167
00:57:48,751 --> 00:57:51,167
What made it significant is

1168
00:57:51,250 --> 00:57:54,292
what happened at the location.

1169
00:57:55,459 --> 00:57:57,042
Weber:
<i>The next morning,</i>

1170
00:57:57,125 --> 00:58:00,375
<i>he tells me he's got
some place he's gonna go.</i>

1171
00:58:02,542 --> 00:58:05,000
He left 7:00 in the morning.

1172
00:58:05,083 --> 00:58:08,125
It's getting close
to checkout time.

1173
00:58:08,209 --> 00:58:10,751
<i>Just about that time,
he walks in the door,</i>

1174
00:58:10,834 --> 00:58:13,626
<i>he has to go take a bath.</i>

1175
00:58:15,042 --> 00:58:16,542
He'd been digging in something.

1176
00:58:16,626 --> 00:58:19,375
-And--
-Dower: What made you
think he'd been digging?

1177
00:58:20,209 --> 00:58:23,042
'Cause he was dirty!

1178
00:58:23,125 --> 00:58:26,584
He had on dress pants,
but his hands were dirty.

1179
00:58:26,667 --> 00:58:29,500
I don't know what
he went digging.
I don't know where he went.

1180
00:58:29,584 --> 00:58:31,918
<i>While he was cleaning up
and I handed him a drink,</i>

1181
00:58:32,000 --> 00:58:33,584
<i>and I still have the picture</i>

1182
00:58:33,667 --> 00:58:37,334
where when I went to take
the picture, he gets up,

1183
00:58:37,417 --> 00:58:39,918
and he jumps. "Geronimo!"

1184
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:41,751
(shutter snaps)

1185
00:58:41,834 --> 00:58:44,000
<i>Like he was jumping, okay?</i>

1186
00:58:44,083 --> 00:58:45,959
<i>I got the picture
to prove that</i>

1187
00:58:46,042 --> 00:58:49,167
<i>because I snapped
the daggum picture
at that time.</i>

1188
00:58:49,250 --> 00:58:50,792
(slide projector clicking)

1189
00:58:50,876 --> 00:58:53,500
♪ ♪

1190
00:58:53,584 --> 00:58:54,876
<i>And when he gets into the car,</i>

1191
00:58:54,959 --> 00:58:57,000
<i>I said, "What's in
that paper bag?"
He says,</i>

1192
00:58:57,083 --> 00:59:00,167
<i>"Oh, just some trash I'm gonna
get rid of at the next stop."</i>

1193
00:59:00,250 --> 00:59:03,334
He spent an awful
lot of time there,

1194
00:59:03,417 --> 00:59:05,751
just looking out at the water.

1195
00:59:06,792 --> 00:59:10,334
It was odd. It was strange.

1196
00:59:10,417 --> 00:59:12,626
<i>And I said,
"What you doing?" He says,</i>

1197
00:59:12,709 --> 00:59:15,584
<i>"Watching that bag go
down the river, flow down."</i>

1198
00:59:15,667 --> 00:59:17,000
<i>I hit the ceiling.</i>

1199
00:59:17,083 --> 00:59:19,626
I said, "You littered?!
You put what?!

1200
00:59:19,709 --> 00:59:22,542
"You put a bag in the water?!

1201
00:59:23,667 --> 00:59:26,459
A bag of trash
in the water?!"

1202
00:59:26,542 --> 00:59:29,375
I was angry
because I had been raised,

1203
00:59:29,459 --> 00:59:32,292
you do not contaminate
your waterways.

1204
00:59:32,375 --> 00:59:34,667
You do not throw
things in there.

1205
00:59:34,751 --> 00:59:37,751
If I had done that,
I'd have got
the whipping of whippings.

1206
00:59:40,334 --> 00:59:42,417
Collins:
<i>He buried the money someplace.</i>

1207
00:59:42,500 --> 00:59:44,083
<i>He left that morning,
drove all the way</i>

1208
00:59:44,167 --> 00:59:47,167
to wherever it was
he had buried this.

1209
00:59:47,250 --> 00:59:49,000
Located it, dug it up.

1210
00:59:49,083 --> 00:59:51,375
So this is the night
when he says "Geronimo,"

1211
00:59:51,459 --> 00:59:53,500
and, and she took
the picture of him.

1212
00:59:53,584 --> 00:59:56,459
<i>Sift through the money
and he's discovered that</i>

1213
00:59:56,542 --> 00:59:58,667
<i>almost all of it's
in great condition.</i>

1214
00:59:58,751 --> 01:00:02,667
<i>He's just elated,
but some of it's damaged.</i>

1215
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:06,334
<i>Had he thrown the paper
sack into the trash,</i>

1216
01:00:06,417 --> 01:00:08,876
<i>which probably would've
been a wiser choice,</i>

1217
01:00:08,959 --> 01:00:10,918
no one would've ever
looked inside it,

1218
01:00:11,000 --> 01:00:12,375
no one would ever
been the wiser.

1219
01:00:12,459 --> 01:00:15,083
<i>But instead,
he threw it in the river,</i>

1220
01:00:15,167 --> 01:00:17,792
<i>which then
ultimately was found</i>

1221
01:00:17,876 --> 01:00:20,584
<i>about nine miles away
from here. Tina-Bar.</i>

1222
01:00:20,667 --> 01:00:21,959
♪ ♪

1223
01:00:22,042 --> 01:00:24,709
Reporter 1:
<i>The speculation is</i>
<i>endless. For instance,</i>

1224
01:00:24,792 --> 01:00:27,209
<i>is it possible that
DB Cooper lived</i>

1225
01:00:27,292 --> 01:00:31,000
and buried some of the money
right here, next to the tree?

1226
01:00:32,375 --> 01:00:34,209
Reporter 2:
<i>By analyzing the sand,</i>

1227
01:00:34,292 --> 01:00:36,459
<i>geologists hope to learn
how several thousand dollars</i>

1228
01:00:36,542 --> 01:00:39,042
<i>in Cooper ransom
money arrived here.</i>

1229
01:00:39,125 --> 01:00:41,250
(waves washing ashore)

1230
01:00:41,334 --> 01:00:43,042
Collins:
<i>So the FBI,</i>

1231
01:00:43,125 --> 01:00:46,042
<i>they thought,
"We don't have
the expertise to decide</i>

1232
01:00:46,125 --> 01:00:48,125
<i>when did this money get here."</i>

1233
01:00:48,209 --> 01:00:51,334
<i>They dug trenches
three feet down.</i>

1234
01:00:51,417 --> 01:00:53,834
Now, the money was
found at the top,

1235
01:00:53,918 --> 01:00:58,500
but there's a dredge layer down
in the middle of the trench.

1236
01:00:58,584 --> 01:01:01,876
<i>That dredge layer
was from October 1974.</i>

1237
01:01:01,959 --> 01:01:05,042
<i>The money's found above
that dredge layer.</i>

1238
01:01:05,125 --> 01:01:07,918
♪ ♪

1239
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:09,834
<i>The crime happened in 1971.</i>

1240
01:01:09,918 --> 01:01:12,042
<i>So if the money got here
that night or whatever,</i>

1241
01:01:12,125 --> 01:01:14,250
it should be under

1242
01:01:14,334 --> 01:01:16,709
that identifiable
strata in the sand.

1243
01:01:18,042 --> 01:01:20,250
<i>But it wasn't.
It was found at the top.</i>

1244
01:01:22,167 --> 01:01:25,500
Reporter:
<i>The area where the money was</i>
<i>found has been dug and re-dug</i>

1245
01:01:25,584 --> 01:01:28,250
<i>and results of yesterday's
geologic survey are</i>

1246
01:01:28,334 --> 01:01:30,250
<i>that the money couldn't
have been on this beach</i>

1247
01:01:30,334 --> 01:01:32,292
<i>as long as nine years.</i>

1248
01:01:40,000 --> 01:01:42,459
Dower:
So this is a map that
you've made, Tim.

1249
01:01:42,542 --> 01:01:45,876
Yeah. Basically, what I wanted
to see was the waterways

1250
01:01:45,959 --> 01:01:48,459
in all of the county,
where do they go.

1251
01:01:48,542 --> 01:01:51,876
So, if he lands
in this area here,

1252
01:01:51,959 --> 01:01:54,167
all the waterways here

1253
01:01:54,250 --> 01:01:55,959
go to the north this way.

1254
01:01:56,042 --> 01:01:58,751
Yet, the money's
found down here.

1255
01:01:58,834 --> 01:02:01,250
Well, if you listen to Jo,

1256
01:02:01,334 --> 01:02:04,626
he came back in 1979

1257
01:02:04,709 --> 01:02:07,417
and threw in a paper
sack right here.

1258
01:02:08,667 --> 01:02:11,459
And the money drifted
around this bend

1259
01:02:11,542 --> 01:02:13,584
and stopped here.

1260
01:02:13,667 --> 01:02:15,626
It explains everything.

1261
01:02:15,709 --> 01:02:18,792
♪ ♪

1262
01:02:29,292 --> 01:02:32,375
(rumbling)

1263
01:02:35,083 --> 01:02:38,167
Barbara Dayton used
to be Bobby Dayton,

1264
01:02:38,250 --> 01:02:41,667
until 1969,
or Robert Elmer Dayton.

1265
01:02:41,751 --> 01:02:43,626
That was my father.

1266
01:02:43,709 --> 01:02:44,792
(click)

1267
01:02:53,417 --> 01:02:54,500
(sniffles)

1268
01:02:56,292 --> 01:02:59,584
<i>Picture of my dad
when he was younger,</i>

1269
01:02:59,667 --> 01:03:01,667
<i>with, I guess, his first car</i>

1270
01:03:01,751 --> 01:03:04,792
<i>or something. Doesn't say.</i>

1271
01:03:04,876 --> 01:03:08,334
And this is a picture of
my dad at the ranch house.

1272
01:03:11,250 --> 01:03:13,125
<i>He was like a cowboy,</i>

1273
01:03:13,209 --> 01:03:16,459
<i>and my mother thought
he looked really sexy.</i>

1274
01:03:17,459 --> 01:03:20,292
<i>But, according to my mother,</i>

1275
01:03:20,375 --> 01:03:22,584
<i>my dad kept dressing in
women's clothes.</i>

1276
01:03:22,667 --> 01:03:24,876
He wanted to
come out and play cards

1277
01:03:24,959 --> 01:03:26,834
wearing the women's clothes.
He'd ask her,

1278
01:03:26,918 --> 01:03:29,375
"Do you mind if
I wear your clothes today?"

1279
01:03:29,459 --> 01:03:32,792
And she would say,
"Fine."

1280
01:03:32,876 --> 01:03:36,250
<i>But, I think she began
looking at him as a friend</i>

1281
01:03:36,334 --> 01:03:39,125
<i>instead of a lover.</i>

1282
01:03:39,209 --> 01:03:42,292
<i>When I had left home,
my brother was in Vietnam.</i>

1283
01:03:42,375 --> 01:03:44,083
♪ ♪

1284
01:03:44,167 --> 01:03:47,042
<i>But, he died in 1975.</i>

1285
01:03:48,834 --> 01:03:52,792
And I came out
to the funeral,

1286
01:03:52,876 --> 01:03:57,542
and my dad flew down
in his Cessna 140.

1287
01:03:57,626 --> 01:04:00,542
And I got to meet her

1288
01:04:00,626 --> 01:04:04,209
as a her for the first time.

1289
01:04:05,792 --> 01:04:10,167
<i>And he told me about
the surgery and why</i>

1290
01:04:10,250 --> 01:04:12,292
<i>and that he was a freak.</i>

1291
01:04:12,375 --> 01:04:14,000
And I felt bad.
I felt really bad

1292
01:04:14,083 --> 01:04:16,626
that he kept calling
himself that.

1293
01:04:16,709 --> 01:04:19,083
<i>I was on my way
with my cousin.</i>

1294
01:04:19,167 --> 01:04:23,667
<i>We were going to
Catheys Valley
after the funeral.</i>

1295
01:04:23,751 --> 01:04:25,709
As we were traveling,

1296
01:04:25,792 --> 01:04:28,584
my cousin Billie-Jan said, um,

1297
01:04:28,667 --> 01:04:30,709
"Did you know your dad
was DB Cooper?"

1298
01:04:30,792 --> 01:04:34,709
And I said,
"No. Who's DB Cooper?"

1299
01:04:34,792 --> 01:04:36,375
♪ ♪

1300
01:04:36,459 --> 01:04:41,292
Sharon Power:
<i>When the composite</i>
<i>sketch came out,</i>

1301
01:04:41,375 --> 01:04:44,209
and her dad saw it,
Bill saw it.

1302
01:04:44,292 --> 01:04:48,125
-He said, "That's my brother."
-And it scared him.
It scared my dad.

1303
01:04:48,209 --> 01:04:50,542
Dower:
This was at the actual
time of the hijacking?

1304
01:04:50,626 --> 01:04:53,292
Whenever that sketch came out
in Bakersfield, California,

1305
01:04:53,375 --> 01:04:55,792
<i>because I remember exactly
where we were sitting
'cause it just--</i>

1306
01:04:55,876 --> 01:04:58,584
<i>We were sitting in a car
and it was pouring down rain.</i>

1307
01:04:58,667 --> 01:05:00,834
He was reading the paper,
like he always did and he goes,

1308
01:05:00,918 --> 01:05:03,167
"That's Bobby."
And just like that.

1309
01:05:03,250 --> 01:05:07,542
And I could tell
he was afraid, you know?

1310
01:05:07,626 --> 01:05:09,834
And, uh, but he
never really, to me,

1311
01:05:09,918 --> 01:05:11,918
Dad never really talked
about it after that point.
It was like--

1312
01:05:12,000 --> 01:05:14,500
-No, he didn't.
-He didn't wanna...

1313
01:05:14,584 --> 01:05:17,209
-deal with that.
-He didn't approve of it at all.

1314
01:05:17,292 --> 01:05:19,542
Yeah, yeah, well,
and the sex change.

1315
01:05:19,626 --> 01:05:21,125
He didn't approve
of that either.

1316
01:05:21,209 --> 01:05:22,918
♪ ♪

1317
01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:25,167
Dower:
<i>And those are--</i>
<i>these are the diaries?</i>

1318
01:05:25,250 --> 01:05:28,375
Ruddell:
<i>We don't really know where</i>
<i>he was that Thanksgiving.</i>

1319
01:05:28,459 --> 01:05:32,083
<i>When the DB Cooper
hijacking happened,</i>

1320
01:05:32,167 --> 01:05:35,042
<i>my grandmother kept
diaries of every year.</i>

1321
01:05:35,125 --> 01:05:37,083
<i>My dad would say</i>

1322
01:05:37,167 --> 01:05:38,876
<i>that he wasn't coming
to Thanksgiving</i>

1323
01:05:38,959 --> 01:05:41,292
<i>or where he was gonna
be on Thanksgiving.</i>

1324
01:05:41,375 --> 01:05:44,626
That one particular
year in 1971,

1325
01:05:44,709 --> 01:05:46,542
he said nothing.

1326
01:05:46,626 --> 01:05:49,918
<i>It just says,
"house cleaning, etc.</i>

1327
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:52,834
"Ruth brought the turkey.

1328
01:05:52,918 --> 01:05:54,959
Irene made pumpkin pies."

1329
01:05:56,042 --> 01:05:58,792
<i>So nothing was even mentioned.</i>

1330
01:05:58,876 --> 01:06:02,459
It was just nothing.
And I believe
my grandparents knew.

1331
01:06:02,542 --> 01:06:05,083
Dower:
<i>And so, when it</i>
<i>comes to DB Cooper,</i>

1332
01:06:05,167 --> 01:06:07,083
<i>and your father,</i>

1333
01:06:07,167 --> 01:06:10,542
<i>-you're a believer.</i>
-Ruddell:<i> Oh yeah. Oh yeah.</i>

1334
01:06:10,626 --> 01:06:12,751
<i>I definitely believe.</i>

1335
01:06:12,834 --> 01:06:15,000
I believe it's my dad.

1336
01:06:16,334 --> 01:06:20,209
♪ ♪

1337
01:06:20,292 --> 01:06:21,834
Gray:
<i>You know, it's hard to pick</i>

1338
01:06:21,918 --> 01:06:24,709
<i>among these suspects
who's more fascinating.</i>

1339
01:06:24,792 --> 01:06:26,500
<i>You have Barbara Dayton,</i>

1340
01:06:26,584 --> 01:06:29,000
<i>who had the ability, the guts,</i>

1341
01:06:29,083 --> 01:06:32,167
-to just do the job.
-(shutter flash)

1342
01:06:32,250 --> 01:06:35,125
<i>I really saw Barb Dayton
with that kind of mind,</i>

1343
01:06:35,209 --> 01:06:38,375
with that kind of
jump experience,
and with nothing to lose.

1344
01:06:39,918 --> 01:06:43,083
Dower:
<i>What do you make of</i>
<i>the Floyd McCoy story?</i>

1345
01:06:43,167 --> 01:06:46,083
Gray:
<i>Yeah, McCoy was</i>
<i>somebody, to me, who,</i>

1346
01:06:46,167 --> 01:06:49,209
<i>who, mentally,
had the capacity</i>

1347
01:06:49,292 --> 01:06:51,083
<i>to be a skyjacker</i>

1348
01:06:51,167 --> 01:06:53,709
<i>and understand the skyjacker,</i>

1349
01:06:53,792 --> 01:06:54,918
but was he the one?

1350
01:06:55,000 --> 01:06:57,125
-(street chatter)
-(shutters snapping)

1351
01:06:57,209 --> 01:06:59,918
Smith:
<i>Uh, the full story</i>
<i>of Richard McCoy</i>

1352
01:07:00,000 --> 01:07:01,959
<i>has not been told.</i>

1353
01:07:02,042 --> 01:07:04,792
A lot of it has been
told by Bernie Rhodes.

1354
01:07:04,876 --> 01:07:06,834
-(projector clicks)
<i>-Bernie Rhodes was</i>

1355
01:07:06,918 --> 01:07:10,042
<i>a federal sentencing officer</i>

1356
01:07:10,125 --> 01:07:13,834
<i>in the McCoy copycat case.</i>

1357
01:07:13,918 --> 01:07:16,751
<i>But, um, Bernie
won't talk to me.</i>

1358
01:07:16,834 --> 01:07:18,542
<i>Bernie won't talk to anybody.</i>

1359
01:07:18,626 --> 01:07:20,959
Dower:
<i>I've been trying to get</i>
<i>hold of him for over a year.</i>

1360
01:07:21,042 --> 01:07:24,792
I've been trying to get
a hold of him for 11 years!

1361
01:07:24,876 --> 01:07:28,125
-(insects chirping)
-(cars passing)

1362
01:07:36,375 --> 01:07:38,000
Dower:
Don't know...

1363
01:07:39,334 --> 01:07:41,459
Mr. Bernie Rhodes.

1364
01:07:42,918 --> 01:07:44,876
-Finally!
-Bernie Rhodes: Hello!

1365
01:07:44,959 --> 01:07:46,959
-Am I gonna sit back down?
-Yes, sir.

1366
01:07:47,042 --> 01:07:48,959
-(grunts)
-Awesome.

1367
01:07:50,417 --> 01:07:53,000
Smith:
<i>Bernie has</i>
<i>a unique perspective</i>

1368
01:07:53,083 --> 01:07:54,834
<i>because, at the time,</i>

1369
01:07:54,918 --> 01:07:57,667
<i>the whole FBI office
in Salt Lake City</i>

1370
01:07:57,751 --> 01:08:01,083
<i>were absolutely
convinced that McCoy</i>

1371
01:08:01,167 --> 01:08:04,250
did the copycat thing
as a second skyjacking

1372
01:08:04,334 --> 01:08:07,709
because he must've lost
the money on the way down.

1373
01:08:07,792 --> 01:08:10,709
Dower:
If Richard McCoy was DB Cooper,

1374
01:08:10,792 --> 01:08:13,000
why in the world
would he go back

1375
01:08:13,083 --> 01:08:15,000
five months later

1376
01:08:15,083 --> 01:08:18,792
and hijack Flight 855?

1377
01:08:18,876 --> 01:08:21,834
Because he lost
the money the first time.

1378
01:08:21,918 --> 01:08:25,083
<i>The Bureau in Seattle
brought aboard</i>

1379
01:08:25,167 --> 01:08:27,250
<i>a duffel bag that had</i>

1380
01:08:27,334 --> 01:08:29,626
<i>no handles, no zippers,</i>

1381
01:08:29,709 --> 01:08:32,125
so that it would be easily...

1382
01:08:32,209 --> 01:08:36,584
uh, fallen out of--
the money would've fallen out

1383
01:08:36,667 --> 01:08:39,375
of the bag on the way
when he jumped.

1384
01:08:39,459 --> 01:08:41,000
-(wind blowing)
-(engines roaring)

1385
01:08:41,083 --> 01:08:42,834
Dower:
<i>Where did you interview</i>
<i>Richard McCoy?</i>

1386
01:08:42,918 --> 01:08:44,626
<i>Set the scene for me.</i>

1387
01:08:44,709 --> 01:08:47,626
Rhodes:
<i>It was in the old county jail.</i>

1388
01:08:47,709 --> 01:08:49,500
Dower:
<i>You asked him where was he</i>

1389
01:08:49,584 --> 01:08:51,584
the Thanksgiving
the year before,

1390
01:08:51,667 --> 01:08:53,834
the day of
the DB Cooper hijacking.

1391
01:08:54,959 --> 01:08:57,083
He was adamant...

1392
01:08:58,209 --> 01:08:59,959
that he was home.

1393
01:09:00,042 --> 01:09:02,709
There was no question
in his mind.

1394
01:09:02,792 --> 01:09:06,834
And there was no question
in my mind that he was not.

1395
01:09:06,918 --> 01:09:08,542
♪ ♪

1396
01:09:08,626 --> 01:09:11,417
Dower:
<i>You put the picture of</i>
<i>DB Cooper on the table.</i>

1397
01:09:11,500 --> 01:09:14,000
<i>How did he react to
the picture being there?</i>

1398
01:09:14,083 --> 01:09:16,125
Rhodes:
<i>At one point,</i>

1399
01:09:16,209 --> 01:09:18,167
<i>he reacted...</i>

1400
01:09:18,250 --> 01:09:21,417
<i>emotionally. And, uh...</i>

1401
01:09:22,709 --> 01:09:26,209
<i>I think turned his head
away. He avoided it,</i>

1402
01:09:26,292 --> 01:09:29,334
until the end of that day,

1403
01:09:29,417 --> 01:09:31,751
when I had been
tough on him.

1404
01:09:31,834 --> 01:09:36,584
And then he became
very suspicious.

1405
01:09:36,667 --> 01:09:39,083
<i>Did his mood change?</i>

1406
01:09:39,167 --> 01:09:41,751
<i>Did his personality change?</i>

1407
01:09:41,834 --> 01:09:44,709
<i>-Yes.</i>
-Smith:<i> He didn't deny...</i>

1408
01:09:44,792 --> 01:09:47,083
that he was DB Cooper.

1409
01:09:47,167 --> 01:09:50,167
He didn't deny that
he had any part

1410
01:09:50,250 --> 01:09:52,417
in the Cooper case.
He just said,

1411
01:09:52,500 --> 01:09:54,626
"I ain't talkin' about that."

1412
01:09:54,709 --> 01:09:56,751
Rhodes:
<i>Richard's eyes</i>

1413
01:09:56,834 --> 01:09:59,209
<i>rested on the Cooper drawing.</i>

1414
01:09:59,292 --> 01:10:01,167
<i>He was clearly curious,</i>

1415
01:10:01,250 --> 01:10:04,125
<i>but, uh, he never touched it</i>

1416
01:10:04,209 --> 01:10:06,459
<i>with his hands.</i>

1417
01:10:06,542 --> 01:10:10,167
<i>To me, that seemed
a little bit unnatural.</i>

1418
01:10:10,250 --> 01:10:12,250
<i>From where I sat that morning,</i>

1419
01:10:12,334 --> 01:10:16,542
<i>the face across
from me seemed identical</i>

1420
01:10:17,918 --> 01:10:21,459
<i>to the composite
drawing of DB Cooper.</i>

1421
01:10:21,542 --> 01:10:23,000
♪ ♪

1422
01:10:23,083 --> 01:10:24,542
<i>He knew that I was</i>

1423
01:10:24,626 --> 01:10:27,459
close enough and I was
closing in on him.

1424
01:10:27,542 --> 01:10:29,167
(inaudible)

1425
01:10:29,250 --> 01:10:31,709
<i>He just kept saying,
"I was home,"</i>

1426
01:10:31,792 --> 01:10:34,751
when we knew he wasn't.

1427
01:10:34,834 --> 01:10:36,292
<i>We had all of the evidence</i>

1428
01:10:36,375 --> 01:10:38,292
<i>from the Power Thrust
service station</i>

1429
01:10:38,375 --> 01:10:40,167
in Las Vegas, Nevada.

1430
01:10:40,250 --> 01:10:42,918
Dower:
McCoy was in Las Vegas, Nevada,

1431
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,250
the day after
the Cooper hijacking,

1432
01:10:45,334 --> 01:10:47,584
despite saying
that he was at home

1433
01:10:47,667 --> 01:10:50,918
-in Utah for Thanksgiving.
-Bingo.

1434
01:10:51,000 --> 01:10:54,292
<i>Gas receipts,
telephone transcripts</i>

1435
01:10:54,375 --> 01:10:58,125
<i>from the phone company that
he made a phone call back home</i>

1436
01:10:58,209 --> 01:10:59,834
the night of Thanksgiving Day,

1437
01:10:59,918 --> 01:11:02,334
that he wasn't home.
He was in Las Vegas.

1438
01:11:02,417 --> 01:11:05,792
There are, there are
multiple pieces of hard evidence

1439
01:11:05,876 --> 01:11:08,834
putting McCoy in Las Vegas.

1440
01:11:08,918 --> 01:11:11,083
Rhodes:
<i>So there was no question that</i>

1441
01:11:11,167 --> 01:11:14,083
<i>McCoy was in Las Vegas,</i>

1442
01:11:14,167 --> 01:11:17,667
<i>and then went to
a casino, which we think</i>

1443
01:11:17,751 --> 01:11:21,000
he laundered
the $8,000 or $10,000

1444
01:11:21,083 --> 01:11:24,459
that he had,
and had not lost.

1445
01:11:24,542 --> 01:11:29,334
And, uh,
called his wife in Provo,

1446
01:11:29,417 --> 01:11:31,125
<i>and said,
"I'm on my way home."</i>

1447
01:11:31,209 --> 01:11:33,250
Now, that's pretty compelling.

1448
01:11:33,334 --> 01:11:35,709
Is it circumstantial?

1449
01:11:35,792 --> 01:11:39,250
I think it's pretty close
to being hard evidence.

1450
01:11:39,334 --> 01:11:42,417
♪ ♪

1451
01:11:45,751 --> 01:11:49,000
-(reporters chattering)
-Smith:<i> McCoy didn't</i>
<i>take that lying down.</i>

1452
01:11:49,083 --> 01:11:51,209
<i>He busted
out of jail the next day.</i>

1453
01:11:51,292 --> 01:11:53,167
Got apprehended a second time.

1454
01:11:53,250 --> 01:11:55,918
Got sent to a little bit
higher security prison.

1455
01:11:56,000 --> 01:11:58,083
Busted out of there, too,

1456
01:11:58,167 --> 01:12:00,584
and was on the lam
for quite a while.

1457
01:12:00,667 --> 01:12:04,167
And then the FBI got really
serious about Richard McCoy.

1458
01:12:05,751 --> 01:12:10,709
<i>Particularly
Agent Nick O'Hara,</i>

1459
01:12:10,792 --> 01:12:13,751
<i>who actually
apprehended McCoy</i>

1460
01:12:13,834 --> 01:12:16,375
<i>many months later.</i>

1461
01:12:16,459 --> 01:12:19,292
<i>And actually killed
him in a gun battle.</i>

1462
01:12:22,000 --> 01:12:24,792
Dower:
What's it like to
shoot a man though?

1463
01:12:26,834 --> 01:12:29,709
Well, it's pretty easy
if they shoot first

1464
01:12:29,792 --> 01:12:32,500
because you get a lot
of second guessing

1465
01:12:32,584 --> 01:12:35,876
on police-involved shootings,

1466
01:12:35,959 --> 01:12:37,459
but ours was very clean

1467
01:12:37,542 --> 01:12:39,876
because he came in,
he could've given up,

1468
01:12:39,959 --> 01:12:42,876
he chose not to, and...

1469
01:12:42,959 --> 01:12:45,584
-(clicking)
<i>-he just...</i>

1470
01:12:45,667 --> 01:12:47,876
<i>when it's,
when it's clean like that...</i>

1471
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:51,375
that's about it.

1472
01:12:51,459 --> 01:12:55,250
It doesn't...
I don't feel anything, honestly.

1473
01:12:56,459 --> 01:12:58,209
♪ ♪

1474
01:12:58,292 --> 01:13:00,500
Reporter 1:
<i>The FBI has reignited</i>
<i>a cold case</i>

1475
01:13:00,584 --> 01:13:02,542
<i>that has haunted
the bureau for years.</i>

1476
01:13:02,626 --> 01:13:05,083
And this morning,
we have the exclusive story

1477
01:13:05,167 --> 01:13:07,250
from the woman who
believes she knows

1478
01:13:07,334 --> 01:13:09,626
<i>the infamous
hijacker DB Cooper,</i>

1479
01:13:09,709 --> 01:13:12,000
<i>and her name is Marla Cooper.</i>

1480
01:13:12,083 --> 01:13:13,834
Reporter 2:
<i>A woman who gave the FBI</i>

1481
01:13:13,918 --> 01:13:16,792
one of its most important leads
in the mystery of DB Cooper

1482
01:13:16,876 --> 01:13:19,042
says she thinks the case
is all but solved.

1483
01:13:19,125 --> 01:13:21,584
-You're kidding me.
Cooper as in...
-(laughs)

1484
01:13:21,667 --> 01:13:23,792
DB Cooper.
No-- This is not an alias.

1485
01:13:23,876 --> 01:13:27,542
-No.
-You believe that your
uncle was DB Cooper.

1486
01:13:27,626 --> 01:13:28,667
Yes, I do.

1487
01:13:28,751 --> 01:13:29,918
(indistinct chatter)

1488
01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:32,751
Cooper:
<i>Thanksgiving 2011,</i>
<i>I actually met</i>

1489
01:13:32,834 --> 01:13:34,959
<i>the FBI agent here in Seattle,</i>

1490
01:13:35,042 --> 01:13:38,209
<i>and he told me that
he was closing the case.</i>

1491
01:13:38,292 --> 01:13:41,209
He said, "I'm satisfied that
you're telling the truth.

1492
01:13:41,292 --> 01:13:43,417
I think everybody
here is satisfied."

1493
01:13:43,500 --> 01:13:44,751
♪ ♪

1494
01:13:44,834 --> 01:13:46,500
Dower:
<i>Was that the first time</i>
<i>the FBI had actually</i>

1495
01:13:46,584 --> 01:13:48,417
<i>nailed their colors
to a mast on a...</i>

1496
01:13:48,500 --> 01:13:50,042
-Smith:<i> Yeah.</i>
-Dower:<i> suspect?</i>

1497
01:13:50,125 --> 01:13:53,125
I think they wanted
to bury the case.

1498
01:13:53,209 --> 01:13:55,834
I think it was the first effort

1499
01:13:56,918 --> 01:13:59,584
by the FBI to walk away.

1500
01:13:59,667 --> 01:14:02,250
Dower:
She did pass a polygraph test.

1501
01:14:02,334 --> 01:14:04,292
I think she believes it!

1502
01:14:04,375 --> 01:14:07,167
(stammers)
Marla's credible!

1503
01:14:07,250 --> 01:14:09,959
Marla believes her story!

1504
01:14:10,042 --> 01:14:12,000
Cooper:
<i>The last time I saw Uncle LD</i>

1505
01:14:12,083 --> 01:14:15,584
<i>was Christmas a year
after the hijacking.</i>

1506
01:14:15,667 --> 01:14:17,667
♪ ♪

1507
01:14:17,751 --> 01:14:20,167
<i>It was that Christmas</i>

1508
01:14:20,250 --> 01:14:22,834
<i>that my parents took him</i>

1509
01:14:22,918 --> 01:14:25,250
<i>to the airport,</i>

1510
01:14:25,334 --> 01:14:27,334
<i>and I never saw him again.</i>

1511
01:14:27,417 --> 01:14:30,959
(projector clicking)

1512
01:14:31,042 --> 01:14:37,000
And every year,
at Christmas and Thanksgiving,

1513
01:14:37,083 --> 01:14:41,167
I would say, "Where's LD?
Has anybody heard from LD?"

1514
01:14:41,250 --> 01:14:42,667
And nobody ever did.

1515
01:14:42,751 --> 01:14:44,834
(children laughing)

1516
01:14:44,918 --> 01:14:48,167
Dower:
<i>So how did this</i>
<i>then all resurface</i>

1517
01:14:48,250 --> 01:14:50,167
<i>nearly 25 years later?</i>

1518
01:14:52,542 --> 01:14:55,667
Cooper:
<i>I remembered my father</i>
<i>telling me this...</i>

1519
01:14:55,751 --> 01:15:00,959
<i>story which was in
1995 at Christmas.</i>

1520
01:15:01,042 --> 01:15:03,626
<i>And I said, "Dad,</i>

1521
01:15:03,709 --> 01:15:06,250
what do you think ever
happened to Uncle LD?"

1522
01:15:06,334 --> 01:15:08,125
(inaudible)

1523
01:15:08,209 --> 01:15:10,500
<i>He, he goes,
"I really don't know, Marla.</i>

1524
01:15:10,584 --> 01:15:12,167
<i>I don't have any idea."
And I said,</i>

1525
01:15:12,250 --> 01:15:14,083
<i>"Do you think he's
still alive?" He said,</i>

1526
01:15:14,167 --> 01:15:16,542
<i>"Oh yeah. I'm sure
he's still alive."</i>

1527
01:15:16,626 --> 01:15:19,334
<i>He said, "But I think
he's still hiding."</i>

1528
01:15:20,751 --> 01:15:25,250
And I said, "Hiding?
Who would he be hiding from?"

1529
01:15:25,334 --> 01:15:27,209
<i>And he said,
"You know, the CIA</i>

1530
01:15:27,292 --> 01:15:30,042
<i>and the FBI."
And I said,</i>

1531
01:15:30,125 --> 01:15:32,459
"Dad, why would
Uncle LD be hiding

1532
01:15:32,542 --> 01:15:34,542
from the FBI?" And he goes,

1533
01:15:34,626 --> 01:15:37,584
"Don't you remember?
He hijacked that airplane."

1534
01:15:37,667 --> 01:15:39,542
♪ ♪

1535
01:15:39,626 --> 01:15:42,292
<i>So when Dad said this to me,</i>

1536
01:15:44,125 --> 01:15:45,334
<i>it was like</i>

1537
01:15:45,417 --> 01:15:47,167
he unlocked

1538
01:15:47,250 --> 01:15:49,959
a secret box inside of my mind

1539
01:15:50,042 --> 01:15:52,042
that was--
that I'd forgotten.

1540
01:15:55,667 --> 01:15:58,417
<i>My dad died one month after</i>

1541
01:15:58,500 --> 01:16:00,667
<i>I visited him at Christmas.</i>

1542
01:16:00,751 --> 01:16:02,292
<i>He had called me several times</i>

1543
01:16:02,375 --> 01:16:05,959
<i>and said,
"You know what happened.
You'll remember."</i>

1544
01:16:06,042 --> 01:16:07,292
(indistinct chatter)

1545
01:16:07,375 --> 01:16:09,918
<i>And I hadn't taken him
very seriously at the time.</i>

1546
01:16:10,000 --> 01:16:12,125
<i>But when my memories
did surface,</i>

1547
01:16:12,209 --> 01:16:14,584
<i>I remembered that
mandate from him.</i>

1548
01:16:14,667 --> 01:16:16,459
(projector clicking)

1549
01:16:16,542 --> 01:16:18,250
Dower:
<i>Do you believe your uncle was,</i>

1550
01:16:18,334 --> 01:16:21,792
or is, DB Dan Cooper?

1551
01:16:21,876 --> 01:16:25,083
I know my uncle
was DB Dan Cooper.

1552
01:16:26,792 --> 01:16:30,125
Dower:
You think your husband
was DB Cooper?

1553
01:16:30,209 --> 01:16:32,834
I know he was DB Cooper.

1554
01:16:33,959 --> 01:16:37,042
I know it, with all my heart

1555
01:16:37,125 --> 01:16:38,459
and all my soul.

1556
01:16:38,542 --> 01:16:41,751
Do you think I would've
given up 23 years of my life

1557
01:16:41,834 --> 01:16:45,834
if I didn't believe it
with all my heart and soul?

1558
01:16:45,918 --> 01:16:48,667
Dower:
Do you believe that
Richard Floyd McCoy

1559
01:16:48,751 --> 01:16:50,834
was DB Cooper?

1560
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:54,167
You know, I don't know
how you can just

1561
01:16:54,250 --> 01:16:57,667
dismiss all of the evidence.

1562
01:16:57,751 --> 01:17:01,626
Dower:
So do you believe
Barbara was DB Cooper?

1563
01:17:01,709 --> 01:17:03,125
Definitely.

1564
01:17:03,209 --> 01:17:04,626
-Hundred--
-Little by little,

1565
01:17:04,709 --> 01:17:08,459
just every little detail
that kept coming together,

1566
01:17:08,542 --> 01:17:10,500
and um...

1567
01:17:10,584 --> 01:17:13,209
-I just definitely
believe he was.
-I never had a doubt

1568
01:17:13,292 --> 01:17:15,167
from the minute
I saw that picture when

1569
01:17:15,250 --> 01:17:17,375
we combed the hair back,
and I'd flown with her.

1570
01:17:17,459 --> 01:17:19,459
I knew her, what
she was capable of doing.

1571
01:17:19,542 --> 01:17:23,334
(rumbling)

1572
01:17:23,417 --> 01:17:25,334
Let me grab the ashes, too.

1573
01:17:25,417 --> 01:17:29,250
This is Barb Dayton's
ashes, and I...

1574
01:17:29,334 --> 01:17:32,500
every now and then,
she kind of likes to go for
an airplane ride, you know?

1575
01:17:32,584 --> 01:17:36,000
-Dower: So, you seriously
take her ashes--
-I do seriously. Yes I do, yeah.

1576
01:17:36,083 --> 01:17:39,918
-(rumbling)
-Dower:<i> Why do you think</i>
<i>they believe so much?</i>

1577
01:17:40,000 --> 01:17:41,959
Smith:
<i>Part of it is</i>

1578
01:17:42,042 --> 01:17:44,334
it's a validation
of their friend.

1579
01:17:44,417 --> 01:17:47,209
This is what their
friend told them.

1580
01:17:47,292 --> 01:17:51,292
And there's enough
compelling evidence...

1581
01:17:54,709 --> 01:17:56,918
to...

1582
01:17:57,000 --> 01:18:00,584
make all the neurological
synapses fire

1583
01:18:00,667 --> 01:18:02,667
to put it into
the truth category.

1584
01:18:02,751 --> 01:18:05,876
(plane rumbling)

1585
01:18:09,500 --> 01:18:12,584
(roaring)

1586
01:18:17,125 --> 01:18:20,542
Dower:
Now, you're one of
the few people who

1587
01:18:20,626 --> 01:18:23,792
have access to the FBI files.

1588
01:18:26,876 --> 01:18:27,834
Yeah.

1589
01:18:27,918 --> 01:18:31,167
♪ ♪

1590
01:18:33,000 --> 01:18:37,334
<i>I walked
into the basement
of the FBI archives</i>

1591
01:18:37,417 --> 01:18:40,292
in a bureau field office,

1592
01:18:40,375 --> 01:18:44,083
<i>and I just saw these
big closets of files,</i>

1593
01:18:44,167 --> 01:18:45,959
<i>and I thought,</i>

1594
01:18:46,042 --> 01:18:47,918
"This is the Holy Land.

1595
01:18:48,000 --> 01:18:50,292
"Like, I'm in, man. I'm in.

1596
01:18:50,375 --> 01:18:51,542
<i>"It's gotta be here somewhere.</i>

1597
01:18:51,626 --> 01:18:52,918
<i>The answer's gotta
be here somewhere."</i>

1598
01:18:53,000 --> 01:18:54,834
<i>No disrespect to the FBI,
but I thought,</i>

1599
01:18:54,918 --> 01:18:57,584
<i>"I can spend the time
and go through
40 years later,</i>

1600
01:18:57,667 --> 01:18:59,292
and nail the sucker."

1601
01:19:01,542 --> 01:19:04,334
<i>But what happens
in the Cooper case</i>

1602
01:19:04,417 --> 01:19:07,417
is that the Cooper case files,
the majority of them,

1603
01:19:07,500 --> 01:19:09,667
<i>they are hundreds,</i>

1604
01:19:09,751 --> 01:19:11,626
<i>if not thousands of letters,</i>

1605
01:19:11,709 --> 01:19:14,292
<i>poems, different pranks,</i>

1606
01:19:14,375 --> 01:19:16,667
<i>different suspicions
of people, who all</i>

1607
01:19:16,751 --> 01:19:19,125
<i>flooded the FBI
with their best tips,</i>

1608
01:19:19,209 --> 01:19:21,167
<i>thinking that their
neighbor was Cooper,</i>

1609
01:19:21,250 --> 01:19:22,667
<i>their ex-wives were Cooper.</i>

1610
01:19:22,751 --> 01:19:24,834
<i>Every complaint that people
seemed to have in America</i>

1611
01:19:24,918 --> 01:19:26,417
<i>seemed to be blamed on Cooper.</i>

1612
01:19:27,918 --> 01:19:30,125
<i>In the whole FBI file,
the vast majority of it</i>

1613
01:19:30,209 --> 01:19:34,667
<i>are just a sort of
depository of paranoia.</i>

1614
01:19:34,751 --> 01:19:36,500
♪ ♪

1615
01:19:36,584 --> 01:19:39,500
Mitchell:
<i>I've had people that</i>

1616
01:19:39,584 --> 01:19:42,042
<i>come up and tell me
that they've got</i>

1617
01:19:42,125 --> 01:19:45,250
<i>wife's cousin who,</i>

1618
01:19:45,334 --> 01:19:48,083
<i>on his deathbed,
said he was DB Cooper,</i>

1619
01:19:48,167 --> 01:19:50,792
<i>trying to get me to point to...</i>

1620
01:19:52,417 --> 01:19:55,375
<i>somebody-- that I would
recognize something.</i>

1621
01:19:57,334 --> 01:19:59,626
Reporter:
<i>Take the annual</i>
<i>DB Cooper festival</i>

1622
01:19:59,709 --> 01:20:02,542
<i>at the Ariel Washington
Tavern and Store.</i>

1623
01:20:02,626 --> 01:20:05,876
<i>There, enthusiasts
even reenact
Cooper's parachute jump.</i>

1624
01:20:05,959 --> 01:20:07,626
(indistinct chatter)

1625
01:20:07,709 --> 01:20:10,667
Cooper is right here in this
place at this very minute.

1626
01:20:10,751 --> 01:20:12,584
I think he made it myself.

1627
01:20:12,667 --> 01:20:15,834
I do think so that
DB Cooper will live on.

1628
01:20:15,918 --> 01:20:19,125
Cooper:
<i>The first thing that</i>
<i>kinda hit in my head was,</i>

1629
01:20:19,209 --> 01:20:20,834
<i>"That looks like my dad."</i>

1630
01:20:20,918 --> 01:20:23,918
Woman 1:<i> That is Bobby!</i>
<i>That looks just like Bobby!</i>
<i>That's Bobby!</i>

1631
01:20:24,000 --> 01:20:25,834
Man 1:
<i>And he called me</i>

1632
01:20:25,918 --> 01:20:28,292
<i>to his bedside, and he said,</i>

1633
01:20:28,375 --> 01:20:30,959
<i>"There's something
you should know."</i>

1634
01:20:31,042 --> 01:20:33,542
<i>Mr. DB Cooper.</i>

1635
01:20:33,626 --> 01:20:36,959
Ruddell:
<i>I definitely believe</i>
<i>that was my dad.</i>

1636
01:20:37,042 --> 01:20:38,584
Pat:
<i>I miss her a lot.</i>

1637
01:20:38,667 --> 01:20:40,542
<i>I even talk to her
sometimes. (laughs)</i>

1638
01:20:40,626 --> 01:20:43,167
Woman 2:
<i>Can't say that he came</i>
<i>home bloodied and bruised</i>

1639
01:20:43,250 --> 01:20:44,792
<i>'cause he just
never came home.</i>

1640
01:20:44,876 --> 01:20:48,209
Man 2:
That's where the bomb was.
Right in this attaché case.

1641
01:20:48,292 --> 01:20:50,626
Mitchell:
<i>And they would send</i>
<i>me a picture and say,</i>

1642
01:20:50,709 --> 01:20:54,167
<i>"Can you tell me if
this guy was DB Cooper?"</i>

1643
01:20:54,250 --> 01:20:55,876
<i>You know, 50 years ago.</i>

1644
01:20:55,959 --> 01:20:58,459
And I... no, I can't.

1645
01:20:58,542 --> 01:21:00,375
I've quit answering them.

1646
01:21:00,459 --> 01:21:03,500
♪ ♪

1647
01:21:07,042 --> 01:21:09,876
(wind blowing)

1648
01:21:13,417 --> 01:21:15,834
Collins:
<i>I realize that there are</i>
<i>thousands of people who say,</i>

1649
01:21:15,918 --> 01:21:18,334
<i>"I know who Cooper is.
He's my dad, he's my uncle,</i>

1650
01:21:18,417 --> 01:21:21,792
<i>"he's so-and-so.
I've done all this research,</i>

1651
01:21:21,876 --> 01:21:23,209
I know it, I know it,
I know it."

1652
01:21:23,292 --> 01:21:26,834
And I realize I sound
exactly like those people.

1653
01:21:26,918 --> 01:21:28,792
So I look at myself
and go, okay.

1654
01:21:28,876 --> 01:21:30,667
Is there any difference between

1655
01:21:30,751 --> 01:21:32,292
what I'm seeing
and what they're seeing?

1656
01:21:32,375 --> 01:21:34,459
Am I just as delusional
or whatever?

1657
01:21:34,542 --> 01:21:38,417
-Dower: It's endless.
-Collins: Yeah.
It's like an endless loop.

1658
01:21:38,500 --> 01:21:41,125
It just sucks people in.

1659
01:21:41,959 --> 01:21:45,042
♪ ♪

1660
01:21:46,792 --> 01:21:49,751
Dower:
<i>These people all have</i>
<i>a DB Cooper-shaped hole</i>

1661
01:21:49,834 --> 01:21:51,918
<i>-in their lives.</i>
-Smith:<i> Hm.</i>

1662
01:21:52,000 --> 01:21:54,083
<i>I hadn't realized that,
but I think you're right.</i>

1663
01:21:54,167 --> 01:21:56,959
<i>I think that's
an interesting perspective.</i>

1664
01:21:57,042 --> 01:21:59,959
Dower:
<i>What is your</i>
<i>DB Cooper-shaped hole?</i>

1665
01:22:00,042 --> 01:22:03,250
<i>-Why are you so engaged
with this story?
-(Smith sighs)</i>

1666
01:22:03,334 --> 01:22:04,918
I don't have a full
understanding of it.

1667
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:07,292
I don't have a complete
answer for you on that.

1668
01:22:11,000 --> 01:22:14,918
<i>But I think Cooper speaks to
something bigger and deeper</i>

1669
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:17,334
<i>in more people.</i>

1670
01:22:18,751 --> 01:22:20,709
<i>People who think,</i>

1671
01:22:20,792 --> 01:22:24,125
"I'm just not tough enough,

1672
01:22:24,209 --> 01:22:26,500
"I'm just not rich enough,

1673
01:22:26,584 --> 01:22:29,542
"and I just don't have
enough opportunities.

1674
01:22:29,626 --> 01:22:32,584
"And if I had a little
bit more of something,

1675
01:22:32,667 --> 01:22:34,000
"I'd have a better life.

1676
01:22:34,083 --> 01:22:36,751
"But Cooper figured it out.

1677
01:22:36,834 --> 01:22:39,792
"He's a smart guy,
I'm a smart guy.

1678
01:22:39,876 --> 01:22:41,626
"He figured, okay.

1679
01:22:41,709 --> 01:22:44,000
"I'm gonna jump out
of this airplane, 200,000.

1680
01:22:44,083 --> 01:22:45,626
"I'm gonna be in the woods,

1681
01:22:45,709 --> 01:22:49,500
"and he got away with it.
I wanna be a Cooper.

1682
01:22:49,584 --> 01:22:52,709
<i>"I wanna be tough enough
to jump out of an airplane,</i>

1683
01:22:52,792 --> 01:22:57,209
<i>"in November, at 8:00
at night, in the rain.</i>

1684
01:22:57,292 --> 01:22:58,876
"Not give a shit.

1685
01:22:58,959 --> 01:23:01,209
"And be smart enough to make it.
I'll get down to the ground.

1686
01:23:01,292 --> 01:23:03,834
"I'm a tough guy.
I'll know how to survive.

1687
01:23:03,918 --> 01:23:07,125
Country boys
know how to survive."

1688
01:23:07,709 --> 01:23:10,042
♪ ♪

1689
01:23:10,125 --> 01:23:12,834
<i>Like I said,
all Cooper all the time.</i>

1690
01:23:15,876 --> 01:23:17,500
Gray:
<i>It's really not</i>
<i>about him anyway.</i>

1691
01:23:17,584 --> 01:23:18,751
<i>It's about the people.</i>

1692
01:23:18,834 --> 01:23:20,626
<i>It's about believing
in the fantasy.</i>

1693
01:23:20,709 --> 01:23:24,667
<i>It's about believing
in something.</i>

1694
01:23:24,751 --> 01:23:28,000
<i>We're kinda designed to believe
in things, and right now,</i>

1695
01:23:28,083 --> 01:23:29,417
<i>like what do you have
to believe in?</i>

1696
01:23:29,500 --> 01:23:31,209
<i>You know, there's not really
that much out there</i>

1697
01:23:31,292 --> 01:23:34,042
<i>that you get to
believe in that has</i>

1698
01:23:34,125 --> 01:23:36,417
<i>a sense of mystery,
a sense of notoriety attached,</i>

1699
01:23:36,500 --> 01:23:38,042
<i>a treasure to find.</i>

1700
01:23:38,125 --> 01:23:40,167
It gives people
a chance to believe.

1701
01:23:42,334 --> 01:23:43,792
Dower:
<i>It's kind of overwhelming.</i>

1702
01:23:43,876 --> 01:23:45,167
<i>There's so many
different stories,</i>

1703
01:23:45,250 --> 01:23:47,042
<i>so much evidence.</i>

1704
01:23:47,125 --> 01:23:50,292
It's so easy to get lost
down the rabbit hole.

1705
01:23:50,375 --> 01:23:52,209
Well, I'll tell you what.
I want you to walk

1706
01:23:52,292 --> 01:23:54,626
through that rabbit hole
right there.

1707
01:23:54,709 --> 01:23:58,209
Just walk out through there,
and then come back.

1708
01:24:08,584 --> 01:24:11,667
And that actually wasn't
planned. (chuckles)

1709
01:24:11,751 --> 01:24:14,834
♪ ♪

1710
01:24:27,167 --> 01:24:29,918
But he can see
where he's going now.

1711
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:33,000
But he couldn't see it
at night, could he?

1712
01:24:33,083 --> 01:24:36,584
And look at how hard of
a time he's having now.

1713
01:24:47,667 --> 01:24:49,918
Crew Member:
I think he's lost.

1714
01:24:52,751 --> 01:24:54,000
(chuckles)

1715
01:24:54,083 --> 01:24:56,751
He's having some fun, isn't he?

1716
01:25:00,209 --> 01:25:02,918
Okay, just look for
any moving branch.

1717
01:25:03,751 --> 01:25:05,667
I lost track of him.

1718
01:25:05,751 --> 01:25:08,584
He'll be circling around on us.

1719
01:25:16,584 --> 01:25:20,375
Montoya:
<i>There is the reputation</i>
<i>and the mystique</i>

1720
01:25:20,459 --> 01:25:23,250
<i>that the FBI always
gets its man.</i>

1721
01:25:23,334 --> 01:25:25,584
They're kinda like
the Canadian Mounties, right?

1722
01:25:25,667 --> 01:25:27,751
But there are also
those instances

1723
01:25:27,834 --> 01:25:30,125
when we kinda have
to grin and bear it

1724
01:25:30,209 --> 01:25:32,209
and say, well, not in this case.

1725
01:25:34,876 --> 01:25:37,876
Reporter:
Agent Montoya,
why, why now?

1726
01:25:37,959 --> 01:25:40,083
<i>Why the decision
to close this case now?</i>

1727
01:25:40,167 --> 01:25:42,125
♪ ♪

1728
01:25:42,209 --> 01:25:43,876
Montoya:
<i>We would love</i>
<i>to have solved this.</i>

1729
01:25:43,959 --> 01:25:45,709
There's no question
about it.

1730
01:25:45,792 --> 01:25:47,876
I mean,
to see justice served,

1731
01:25:47,959 --> 01:25:49,792
and it doesn't feel good

1732
01:25:49,876 --> 01:25:53,250
to acknowledge that this is

1733
01:25:53,334 --> 01:25:57,834
<i>the only unsolved skyjacking
in American history.</i>

1734
01:25:57,918 --> 01:26:01,167
<i>I think that what helps
is the fact that
it was 45 years old,</i>

1735
01:26:01,250 --> 01:26:05,375
and realizing that there
just wasn't a lot to go on.

1736
01:26:05,459 --> 01:26:08,334
(stammers)
That it was time for us
to make that decision,

1737
01:26:08,417 --> 01:26:10,959
time for me to make
that decision to move on
to other things.

1738
01:26:11,042 --> 01:26:14,876
<i>That's not to say
that it's, you know, dead
and over with forever.</i>

1739
01:26:14,959 --> 01:26:16,417
<i>If something were to arise,</i>

1740
01:26:16,500 --> 01:26:18,918
<i>those parachutes or that
money, we would gladly</i>

1741
01:26:19,000 --> 01:26:22,334
take that
and run with it.

1742
01:26:22,417 --> 01:26:26,083
<i>It's transpired, along
with my history so to speak.</i>

1743
01:26:26,167 --> 01:26:27,667
<i>I remember watching television</i>

1744
01:26:27,751 --> 01:26:30,083
<i>and seeing
the original reports.</i>

1745
01:26:30,167 --> 01:26:32,584
Never did I think I'd
be in this position today,

1746
01:26:32,667 --> 01:26:36,125
saying to you that
we're closing the case
and it's not resolved.

1747
01:26:36,209 --> 01:26:38,626
♪ ♪

1748
01:26:38,709 --> 01:26:41,375
<i>Whether we like it or not,
it's part of our
cultural history.</i>

1749
01:26:41,459 --> 01:26:43,417
<i>Whether it's Jesse James,
you know,</i>

1750
01:26:43,500 --> 01:26:45,000
<i>or Butch and Sundance,</i>

1751
01:26:45,083 --> 01:26:47,209
<i>or Bonnie and Clyde.</i>

1752
01:26:48,459 --> 01:26:50,167
I mean, there are a lot
of mysteries out there.

1753
01:26:50,250 --> 01:26:53,459
There's no question about it,
and this is gonna be
one of those.



