- The most famous and best known UFO case in the world,
the UFO crash at Roswell in New Mexico.
[ominous music]
In 1993, a letter
crossed my desk from a gentleman called Ray Santilli
that would change things forever.
He did go on to mention
that he had film of the Roswell UFO crash.
Not only did he have some film footage of Roswell,
but the actual aliens themselves being dissected,
an Alien Autopsy.
[dramatic music]
- An Alien Autopsy is always going to be
something so ridicule.
Who's gonna believe
an Alien Autopsy is an alien autopsy.
It's such a ridiculous subject.
- I did get to the bottom of it.
It just took me a lot longer than I expected.
- Interestingly, internal communications from the CIA
have been released where they are actually
talking about Alien Autopsy back then
and verifying that they believed that the footage is real
and they've seen it themselves.
- Perhaps in the desert of Roswell, New Mexico, in 1947,
we have first contact with beings not of this Earth.
[soft music]
When I, rather naively, began by involvement,
I expected to read a few books, ask a few questions,
maybe write a few letters,
and I'd have all the information I could ever dream of.
I've certainly found some of those answers down the years,
but by no means have I found them all.
My name is Philip Mantle,
and I've been involved in UFO research for 14 years.
During that 14 years, you know,
I've researched and investigated UFO cases
of every description really,
probably best known for my involvement
in the Alien Autopsy film.
- [Reporter] Headline of July 8, 1947.
The Army Air Forces has announced that a flying disc
had been found and is now in the production of the army.
- The town of Roswell was in the middle of the desert
in New Mexico, and its main employer
was the Roswell Army Air Force base that was nearby.
And one night in early July, there was a lightning storm.
And the next day, on a sheep rancher's property,
a chap called Mac Brazel come out
to inspect his sheep one day
and found this wreckage across his land.
The sheep wouldn't go anywhere near it.
He'd never seen this type of material before.
He didn't have a telephone.
He didn't even have electricity on his ranch.
So he took some of this material to his neighbor,
a lady by the name of Loretta Proctor at a nearby ranch.
And she advised him to take it into the town.
She said it might be something to do with the military.
So we waited a few days
until he had to go into town for something,
and he gathered some of this material up
and took it to the sheriff,
and that was Sheriff George Wilcox.
Again, Sheriff Wilcox had never seen anything like it.
So he'd put in a phone call to the Roswell Army Air Force,
which seemed the obvious thing for him to do.
- I was calling the headquarters,
was given copies of a press release which stated,
in essence, that we had in our possession a flying disc.
I was told to hand deliver to the four news media
we had in town at that time,
to radio stations and to newspapers.
- That, of course, then went out on the wire service.
The local radio covered it,
and the story shot around the world.
You know, the sheriff did say they were getting phone calls
from, you know, all four corners of the globe.
So that's how we got to know about it,
not through any unofficial statement
but from an official press release.
Within hours, in fact, the next newspaper the following day,
the retracted that, said, "Sorry, big mistake.
"It was a weather balloon."
[explosion blasts]
The Roswell Army Air Force
housed what is known as the 509th Bomb Group,
and they were the only atomic bomb wing in the world.
It was the 509th, for example, that dropped the atomic bombs
on Japan to end the Second World War.
So this wasn't some little, you know, air base
stuck out in the middle of nowhere.
It was a very important installation.
It was a very different world than we have here today.
There was very real fear that the US and the Soviet Union
were heading for war, and that war would be a nuclear war.
So there was still a great respect for officialdom,
certainly in the military.
Both the US and the USSR, in opposite direction,
were keeping tabs on each other.
We know that the atomic bomb
was designed and invented in the United States.
However, the secrets were leaked to the Soviet,
so they did have atomic bombs,
and the US were keeping a close eye on them
the best they could.
So tensions were very real in 1947,
and there were many who suspected that, you know,
war could well be imminent.
Primarily, if the military said something was so and so,
then you'd probably believe them.
A lot of people in the town
maybe even served in the military at one point.
The town depended on the air base for its living
during those days.
It certainly did have an effect.
After the telephone call
went to the air base from the sheriff,
they dispatched their intelligence officer,
which was a Lieutenant Jesse Marcel.
He took with him a gentleman called Sheridan Cavitt,
and they made their way out to the Brazel ranch
and collected some of this material.
And on their way back, Marcel stopped at his home.
He didn't live on the base.
He lived off base with his wife
and his 11-year-old son, Jesse Marcel, Jr.
- When he came in, he was very excited.
He woke my mother and myself up.
It must have been one or two o'clock in the morning.
And he wanted us to see
what he was bringing in from the field.
He said, "This is parts of a flying saucer."
And it was all brought in
and spread out on the kitchen floor,
and we just looked at it.
- Young Marcel picked up a rod about this long
that looked edged on like a capital letter I.
So it got the nickname of an I beam.
- You know, I picked up this particular I beam
and held it up to my upper left to look at it
with the kitchen light reflecting on the inner surface,
and that's when I saw the writing
or the symbols of some sort.
I thought at first, this is hieroglyphics
or some kind of writing like that.
It sort of looked alien to me.
- And his father said, "Son, you may be the first person
"to ever see writing from another world."
He gathered this stuff up and took it back to the base.
There are some people, even today, who would say,
"Well, you know, the military did make a mistake,
"and it was indeed simply a balloon
"but attached to a secret project.
"Hence, you know, the reason for keeping it quiet."
You go back to Major Marcel himself, they used to release
weather balloons twice a day from the air force base.
He'd been trained in how to do this.
He knew what a weather balloon looked like.
And he said, "That material that I posed for in his office
"was a weather balloon, but that wasn't the material
"that I've picked up that day on the ranch."
He claimed that there'd been a switch,
and he was told to keep quiet and saying nothing.
Why the coverup was put in place is still hotly debated.
But we have to remember,
this is just after the Second World War,
so people were used to keeping secrets.
And the nature of the air base itself,
it was a nuclear facility.
So you know, secrets were part of everyday routine.
- I sincerely believe we had a crash
of something from outer space
because we still don't have materials
that compare with the descriptions that I've gotten
of the material that was picked up out on the ranch
and brought into town.
- He couldn't figure this out.
There were some other bits and pieces,
the likes of which he'd never seen before.
This was the puzzling thing.
They had seen weather balloons and things of that nature
but nothing like this at all.
- I think at last count, I had spoken
to around four dozen people
who handled various aspects of the debris.
The most dramatic is the foil-like material
that you can wad up in a ball and let it go
and it would unfold itself.
- Mac Brazel, like Sheriff Wilcox and others,
claim that some of this material was almost,
almost looked like tin foil.
But it was very light, and when you rolled it up
or crushed it in your hand and then let go again,
it would immediately unfurl
and go back to its original shape
without any creases or bents or dents,
and it got the nickname of memory metal.
- They tried to burn it and they couldn't burn it,
and it wouldn't catch on fire.
And they took out their pocket knives
and they tried to cut it, and they couldn't cut it.
I guess they all had their chance to play with it
for a while, and it was laying on the table,
so I reached up and picked it up,
and I played for it probably about five minutes.
When you would wad it up in your hand,
you couldn't feel it in your hand.
You couldn't feel you had anything there.
And it would go to a size that was so small
that you'd have to look to see if it was still in your hand.
And then when you drop it, it spread out over the table.
Daddy came in so excited,
and he said what they saw was not from this world.
There were two bodies
that were laying on the ground outside of this craft
and that there was one, what he called little person.
And he said there's one little person
that was walking around, and he said they were still alive.
And he said that the other two were dead
and that this one that was alive was very sad.
My dad would not have gotten excited over a weather balloon.
He was not easily excitable, and this is the most thrilled
I'd ever seen him in my life.
He thought that was the most fantastic thing in the world.
- When you go back to Roswell
and look at the various eyewitnesses,
not many of them stepped forward at that time in 1947
simply because there was no avenue for them to do so.
It wasn't until some years later,
when, in the late 1970s, nuclear physicist
and UFO researcher Stanton Friedman met Colonel Marcel.
He was in retirement now.
He was introduced to him by a TV station
who knew about his story.
Then the word got out.
Roswell became news.
It was featured in television and newspapers and so on.
And it's only when that happened then other people
who were there at the time stepped forward.
Some went on the record, others, you know, in confidence.
Some were also found by UFO researchers.
They looked who was serving in the military at the air base
at that time and were able to track them down and find them.
So many of the airmen and civilian witnesses as well
went on the record.
So the investigation to Roswell
started in earnest in the late 1970s,
and it's still ongoing even today.
There's been lots of firsthand witnesses from the military,
go on the record, even young Marcel himself.
He became a doctor, a medical doctor, and a flight surgeon,
served in the military himself.
He's gone on the record, wrote his own book about it,
spoke at conferences.
Sadly, he's no longer with us.
So a lot of the people who were there,
either first or second hand, stepped forward.
There is this threatening aspect of the Roswell story,
but again, we have to remember,
it was a different era and a different time.
So there were those, certainly in the military,
if they were told to keep quiet,
then they would do exactly that.
That was their duty, and that's the way they were trained,
and that's the way they acted.
A number of the military witnesses
didn't go on the record for a long time,
perhaps when they were in the twilight of their own life
and they thought, "Well, if I don't say something now,
"then I'll never have the opportunity."
And that seems to be the case in, you know,
on a number of occasions.
- The best evidence we have
from a number of eyewitness sources is that the craft
and the bodies were brought to Hangar 84
on the Roswell army airfield
and stored overnight before transport.
What we understand from the eyewitness testimony
is the bodies were sealed in a large wooden crate
kept at the center of the hangar.
It's absolutely brilliant what they did.
They announced they have a flying saucer,
but they've already captured it.
They've already got it.
There's nothing to see.
So nobody goes out looking for the thing.
Then they shift everything to Fort Worth.
The higher headquarters says,
"No, no, those guys made a mistake.
"It was just a weather balloon."
- One of the sinister things about the Roswell affair
is that there are claims that the military
not only ordered the people under their command
to stay quiet, but also civilian witnesses.
- The press can't find Jesse Marcel
because he's in Fort Worth and he's been silenced.
- You know, when he came back from Roswell
after finding the debris, he did tell me
not to talk about this to my brother,
not to talk about this.
This is a non event.
Play like it never happened.
Don't even talk about this with your friends,
which I didn't.
And years later, he confided that he was actually
part of the coverup because he went along
with the Air Force explanation
even though he knew full well that that was not true.
- There's corroborative testimony that suggests
somebody was putting pressure on people to silence them,
and they used what means were necessary
to keep those people silent.
Some of the civilians, they were told
that if you ever talk about it, you will be killed.
- For example, the lady by the name of Frankie Rowe,
her father was a firefighter.
He's claimed that they were dispatched to the event,
and he managed to somehow acquire
a piece of this memory metal and show it to her.
You know, she was his daughter.
Shortly after, they were visited by members of the military
with a stern warning, I mean, a very stern warning
that keep quiet about this and say nothing, you know.
Bullets are cheap, so to speak.
- I said, "Yes, I did handle it."
And he started emphasizing, "No, you didn't."
Well, my mother was pretty strict, and we didn't lie.
So I'm insistent that yes, I saw it.
Yes, I held it.
And he got mad, and he got louder.
And he had one of those,
it looks like a small baseball bat
that hooks on the side of your belt.
He took that out, and he's holding it,
and he starts beating his hand.
Every time he said something, he would hit back on his hand,
and he would say, "I want you to understand.
"You were never there.
"You did not see anything.
"You did not hear a conversation."
And he said, "If you can't understand this,
"there are things that we can do."
He said, "We can take you out here
"in the middle of this desert."
He said, "This is a big desert here."
He said, "No one will ever find your bodies ever.
"No one will ever know what happened to you."
He said, "The only way I'm gonna let you
"stay around or live is if you promise
"you'll never talk about this for the rest of your life."
So I told him I wouldn't.
- And that was a reoccurring theme every now and again
both with civilian and military witnesses.
The wreckage at the time,
and it even says this in the newspaper cuttings,
was flown to Wright Field, as it was called,
and it's now called Wright-Patterson air force base,
still in operation.
And it's claimed that is where the wreckage
and possibly even the bodies were studied,
officially studied.
And it was in a mythical, almost mythical hangar,
given the number of Hangar 18.
There are those that claim that when the wreckage
was studied at Wright-Patterson air force base,
it was direct fed secretly into civilian research programs
and that it may have helped the technology
for the space race, for example.
- [T.J.] Good Lord ride all the way.
- [Scott] Godspeed, John Glenn.
- Silicon chips, fiber optics,
and eventually, all the way through
to the stealth technology that we see in the aircraft.
That is a rumor, and it's not proven,
but there are those that say that, you know,
most of the technology that was found that day at Roswell
are still yet to be identified,
and we haven't been able to reverse engineer it at all.
The story got a new lease of life, certainly, in the 1980s.
Stanton Friedman, sadly no longer with us,
but he was the main civilian researcher
of the Roswell incident, and he had no doubt,
no doubt whatsoever that this was a crash of a vehicle
that was not of this Earth and that a coverup
was put in place almost immediately,
one that is still intact today.
And I think it was Stanton who coined the phrase
the cosmic Watergate.
So he had no doubt that, a, it was an alien vehicle,
and b, there's a coverup.
- How about the analysis of the materials?
How about the autopsy reports?
How about the eyewitness testimony
from those who stood guard, those who carried it,
those who tested it at various government labs?
There ought to be a ton of other papers.
- Stanton was a diligent researcher,
and he would track down and interview
witnesses to the event.
He was also one of those that would be quite happy
to spend days researching through government archives
to find documentation of one form or another.
And he was literally, once he got his teeth into something,
he was like a dog with a bone.
And he did uncover a number of witnesses.
He interviewed just about anybody and everybody.
But what he also did was helped spread the word.
You know, he was the man
that actually put Roswell on the map.
And gradually, you know, the UFO story was out there
for all of us to digest.
Roswell, the town itself is still thriving.
The air force base closed many years back.
Back in the 1980s, some documents
known as Majestic 12 or Magic 12 were leaked,
and it mentioned here that, you know, the bodies
and other things were studied at a secret base.
And of course, you put two and two together,
and that secret base is alleged to be Area 51.
I was the press officer
for the British UFO Research Association.
And in 1993,
a letter crossed my desk that would change things forever.
[ominous music]
And it was a letter from the Merlin Group in London,
from a gentleman called Ray Santilli.
After the initial letter, we corresponded some more
and I spoke to Ray Santilli on the telephone.
He apparently knew very little about the UFO subject,
so I arranged to meet Ray Santilli in London.
Obviously, a businessman,
music was his main area of business.
He obviously knew about that.
However, he did go on to mention
that he had film of the Roswell UFO crash.
Not only did he have some film footage of Roswell
but the actual aliens themselves being dissected
an alien autopsy.
- The story from that point on
became quite a roller coaster.
- At the time, you know, I didn't look upon it
as being anything other than just a film.
You have to ask yourself, okay, we have a film.
What could it be?
- First of all, could it be a hoax?
Of course it could, you know.
When you look at the movie Jurassic Park,
they made full sized dinosaurs,
you know, move and look real.
So with enough time and money, yes, it could be a hoax.
Then we looked at could it be real.
Could it really be, you know, from Roswell?
Like I said, it had always been rumored
that film and still photographs were taken.
There was also another idea that perhaps
this was some kind of poor, deformed human being
that we were looking at.
So it was, again, a real film, but it was of some,
you know, some deformed person.
And there was even another theory, if you like,
that could this be some US military disinformation film,
not to disinform UFO researchers.
Perhaps it was made to fool the Soviets, you know,
and leak it into the Soviet Union to say,
look what we've gone.
So there was a number of ideas, you know,
as to what may or may not be, none of which could be proven
one way or another at that point.
I spent, in total, 14 years
researching the Alien Autopsy film.
And in 2006, we'd already been given a name,
a first name of a gentleman, and the name was Spyros.
I knew the film was a fake.
I just couldn't prove it.
I had a few missing pieces.
A colleague of mine called Russell Callahan
had a phone call from a gentleman called
Spyros Melaris.
And he said, Russell said,
"It's not me you want to speak to.
"It's Philip."
And bang, there was our mysterious man
we'd been looking for.
And as soon as I spoke to him,
he just filled in all the gaps.
Game over.
- Spyros.
Spyros Melaris is a very talented
and very interesting and creative filmmaker.
I used Spyros on Alien Autopsy when we did
The Investigation Continues,
which was a 60-minute documentary
based on everything that happened at Roswell.
So he was quite involved in most parts of the project.
And you know, I know that there's, you know,
some difficulty at the moment
because he's laying claim to coming up
with the entire concept of Alien Autopsy
and doing everything, but that's absolutely not true.
He was not involved in our trip in America,
finding the cameraman, bringing the footage over
and all of that part of it.
- All the questions I'd been asking for years,
he had an answer for all of them.
It's like I'm in a jigsaw puzzle with bits missing.
And I needed a good idea of what the jigsaw was.
And once you got the missing part,
it just, that was it, finished.
At some point in the 2000s, I was contacted by a gentleman
who claimed to have some information about it.
So I met him, and he said
a good friend of a sculptor here in the UK.
He wouldn't tell me the sculptors name.
However, before he left the meeting, he let slip
one of the projects this sculptor was responsible for,
and it was a channel for recreation some years prior
called Max Headroom, which was quite popular.
So we checked out who this gentleman was,
and he was indeed a UK sculptor,
and he was called John Humphreys.
- John Humphreys is one of the best makers
in terms of prosthetics.
He's a sculptor.
He's an artist.
He's a creative.
- Spyros, then and now, went on to tell me
that he'd heard Ray Santilli's story about, you know,
meeting this fake cameraman and so on.
He'd met Ray by chance at a film festival in France,
contacted him again when he came back to the UK.
Ray Santilli shows Spyros a piece of film,
and supposedly, that's never been filmed on celluloid.
It's VHS.
So Ray told him this fake story about the cameraman
and him paying for this footage.
So he took off to drive home, Spyros, and he had this idea.
He phoned a friend of his which was the sculptor,
John Humphreys, and told him about this story.
And they said, "Well, why don't we make him one?
"I.e., why don't we make him an alien autopsy film?"
So Spyros went back to Ray and said,
"If you want an alien autopsy film, you know,
"we can make it for you," simple as that.
Well, I think Ray Santilli's reaction was,
you know, the light bulb moment.
It was just a question of the financing.
And they had a gentleman who could provide that finance,
so you know, the game was afoot.
I've been involved in looking at Roswell
probably from about 1993.
Everybody knows a bit about Roswell,
and the reason we're talking about it again
is because of the Alien Autopsy.
- Interestingly, internal communications from the CIA
have been released where they were actually
talking about Alien Autopsy back then
and verifying that they believe that the footage is real
and they've seen it themselves.
- And is has been called the Alien Autopsy memo.
It is a string of emails
between a chap called Eric Davis and Dr. Kit Green.
On this 11-page document, they are evaluating
a number of things on which they were working on.
But primarily,
it is the Alien Autopsy film they're discussing.
It's addressed to us billionaire Bob Bigelow
who used to run an organization
called the National Institute for Discovery Science, NIDS,
and he employed a number of scientists to study UFOs.
One of those scientists is Dr. Kit Green.
Kit Green formerly worked for the CIA.
This email list is clarifying statements made by Kit Green
concerning the Alien Autopsy film.
It's dated 2001.
Without going into too great a detail,
he came to the conclusion, as did the others
copied in on these emails, that the Alien Autopsy film,
in his opinion, was real, and that he'd seen
exactly the same type of film
at a briefing at the Pentagon back in 1987/'88.
And it's caused quite an uproar yet again
[dramatic music]
When you look at the consensus of UFO researchers
around the world when it comes to these documents,
and it's like, "Oh, no, not the Alien Autopsy again.
"I thought we'd done that.
"I thought we proved it's a fake.
"Let's move on.
"You know, let's forget about it, please."
The leaked documents was sent to me
by three different individuals
the day before they were released online.
I had no idea this was about to happen, but it just did.
It is believed it has come from an archive
of a well-known gentleman who had passed away.
I'll not mention his name
because he's not yet been verified.
But it seems plausible enough.
He was involved in UFO research.
He's an extremely well-known gentlemen
if I mention his name.
- [Man] And there it is, Houston.
- [Alan] Nice job, down there.
- [Edgar] That was beautiful.
- [Alan] Auto.
- [Edgar] We're on the surface.
- [Alan] Okay, we made a good landing.
- [Edgar] Roger, on target.
- [Narrator] Four minutes later,
he was joined by Ed Mitchell.
- There's a number of people who were copied in
on this email, and one of those who was copied in,
I emailed them and asked them
if the documents in question were authentic.
And he said, "Off the record, Philip, yes, they are."
The gentleman I contacted on email
has refused to answer any more questions.
And it would appear to me that both him and his colleagues,
who are mentioned in this document, are embarrassed
because this was an internal set of emails
and was never meant for public consumption.
The only person so far to speak to Kit Green about this
is US researcher, Richard Dolan.
You know, Richard has interviewed him on the telephone,
and I think one of the first things he asked him
was is this email list, is it authentic.
And he said, yes, it is.
Another chap who worked for Robert Bigelow
was a chap called Colin Callaghan.
And he contacted me, and he asked me
to speak with Ray Santilli for him.
What Colin was thinking at the time
was a good quality copy of the Alien Autopsy film,
and of course, some celluloid,
some 16-millimeter film to analyze.
So I did, like I've done many times before,
put him in touch with Santilli and left them to it.
The main gentleman mentioned in these documents
who is commenting on the Alien Autopsy film
is a gentleman called Christopher Kit Green.
Everyone knows him as Kit Green.
He's an MD, he's a PhD,
and still practices medicine even now in the United States.
Dr. Green at one point was employed by the CIA,
worked on a number of projects for them
in a variety of capacities.
So he's, you know, a highly intelligent gentleman
and one that's very well qualified as well.
He claims that the briefing he was given in 1988/'87
was specifically about the alien autopsy.
[soft music]
I think the main reason, when you look at these documents,
as why they would want Kit Green to evaluate
the Alien Autopsy film, there are two reasons.
One is that in 1988/'87, Kit Green himself says
he was taken to the Pentagon and briefed
and shown films that looked exactly the same
as the Alien Autopsy film.
But also, he's an MD.
He's a medical doctor.
So later in these documents, Dr. Kit Green,
looking at the Alien Autopsy film itself,
nothing to do with any briefing he'd had at the Pentagon,
but he gives his own medical opinion
on what he sees on that film,
and he says, "I think it's real.
"It's the genuine article."
- A field of expertise do these people have
dealing with anatomies of alien beings?
I assure you, none.
We were learning.
That was day one at school
when they first cut into the first specimen.
One time, there was a requirement for our OIC
to go to Fort Belvoir, Virginia.
So I went ahead and I was selected as the driver
to take him to Fort Belvoir, Virginia.
After we arrived there,
he went to where the officers were meeting for a briefing.
The drivers went to another location.
There was myself and an airman first class,
and we went inside to the balcony area
which had plexiglass cover where we could look down
to where the officers were.
When we looked down there,
we found that they were watching films.
We were watching, thinking, well, it has to be
some type of science fiction movies that they're watching
where they're splicing together trailers
at the end of a movie.
We couldn't figure out what type of movies they were.
So while we were talking amongst ourselves,
we looked and we had two gentlemen coming in
and told us we were to follow them.
The airman and myself thought we were in trouble
because we'd seen all these officers
being brought together with taxpayers' money,
watching what we perceived to be little clips
from science fiction movies, because I honestly didn't think
that we would ever be in a position
where I could be so easily exposed to something like that.
However, after four days and five nights of that,
I went ahead and finally convinced them
that I wouldn't be discussing this situation.
The interesting thing I found out
when I first saw the films, the films of the dissection,
the word that I use to describe what I saw was haunting,
and it has special significance to me
because I was seeing images of what I saw in 1969.
That brought back specific memories.
What happened to me
is what they call intensified debriefing.
And I can tell you this much.
Intensified debriefing, you'll drill your head
and you'll take sleep over food.
You'll get water, because see,
it's important to have water or you'll die.
They'll provide you with food, but you slept in spurts.
You'd go and lay your head down on the pillow,
you'd go into what they call deep sleep.
That's about three to five minutes,
and you'd be woken up and you'd be taken back,
put under the lamps again for more intensified debriefing.
And what they do, they knew that you were wondering
what was gonna happen to you.
So it had an effect on you.
And that's about the gist of it.
Forgive me.
- Is Kit Green saying that the things he saw
in the 1980s were similar or the same
as the being in the 1995 Santilli film?
He emphasizes it and actually spells it out
in capital letters and says they are the same,
not similar but the same.
And of course, that's simply not possible.
There are those that think that perhaps,
you know, Ray Santilli is not behind
the invention of the Alien Autopsy.
Well, nor is Spyros Melaris.
But instead, for some mysterious reason, it's the CIA.
But there are a number of well-known UFO researchers,
primarily in the United States, who can't believe
that someone of Kit Green's experience and standing
would be fooled by a fake film.
So there must be something more to it,
and they believe that he was indeed shown other films,
fake or real, by the CIA that look either the same
or similar to the Santilli film.
Therefore, the CIA must, in some mysterious way,
be linked to the faking of it.
I can't see any sense in that at all
and don't believe a word of it.
It is alleged that the CIA
have fed false stories about UFOs
into the public domain for a variety of reasons.
We do know for a fact that they did feed fake UFO sightings
into the public domain to cover up
all the flights of their own spy plane.
So they may have other reasons for putting
fake alien stories into the public domain.
If we jump back to Roswell, for example, some people claim
that the alien aspect of it is a fake story to cover up
what really did happen, but this is only speculation.
Here you've got a scientist and a medical doctor
being fed information by the CIA.
Dr. Kit Green, who has now been interviewed by Richard Dolan
has changed his attitude somewhat.
He believes now the film is a fake,
and he says that the CIA lied to him back in the '80s.
However, he does now still say that some of the film
that he saw at the Pentagon, some of the aspects of it
like the creature's face and the hand and the room
was still the same as the Santilli film released in 1995.
Now, whether it's the whole film or bits of it,
they cannot be the same because the film
was only designed and made in 1995.
So nothing in it can be the same
as something seen back in the 1980s.
It is simply not possible.
When Kit Green does his evaluation,
he notices a few small mistakes in the medical procedure,
but then, you know, he has an explanation
of why these mistakes may have been made,
because it was back in 1947.
They didn't do things the same then as they do now.
And so, it was the military, you know,
and there are different ways of doing things.
He speculates that if any tissue samples were taken,
they would go to the Walter Reed institution,
which of course is based at Wright-Patterson Air Force base,
which we have mentioned before
and its links with UFO research,
although he's only speculating.
He doesn't know this for sure.
It's just pure speculation at that point.
When you look at Dr. Kit Green's evaluation
of the the Alien Autopsy film,
it doesn't get anything right.
And you think to yourself,
is he looking at the same film as me?
Because he mentions various medical items in it
which you can't see.
You know, they're just not there.
So it does make you wonder
how he's come to these conclusions.
I've tried to get in touch with Mr. Green
to ask him a few questions.
The first one I would ask is,
how did the man of your reputation and experience
come to be fooled by this fake film?
That would be my first question.
But unfortunately, I've not had that chance yet.
There's a number of things
that are important about the memo.
It shows you how someone with the knowledge and experience
of Dr. Kit Green can be fooled by a piece of film.
He wasn't alone.
At the time when the film was released around the world,
there were a number of physicians who went on the record
saying it looks pretty authentic
as far as the medical procedure is concerned.
However, they wouldn't comment
on what the creature on the slab was.
He's gone that one step further.
So it just shows you the impact that this film had
not just when it was released
but, you know, down the decades,
and it still does continue to have such an impact.
I think the biggest revelation is that
just when you think you've heard
everything there is to hear about the Alien Autopsy film,
and I have a huge archive of material on it,
that something else appears and brings it back
into the public domain again,
and the argument starts from scratch.
It was almost as if the 14 years I spent investigating it
would have been a complete waste of time. [chuckles]
What is amazing is that Ray Santilli
had been quiet for quite a while.
But once this email document leaked,
he was back on social media saying I always knew
that there were documents somewhere that would prove
that what I've been saying was correct all along.
He's even done a couple of interviews
on a couple of podcasts, still saying,
"I told I had real film.
"I told you there was a mysterious cameraman."
Well, you know, these documents don't prove anything,
but he's using it to the best effect.
- [Reporter] The Army Air Forces has announced
that a flying disc has been found
and is now in the possession of the army.
Army officers say the metal found sometime last week
has been inspected at Roswell, New Mexico
and sent to Wright field, Ohio for further inspection.
- It's the one case that will not die.
It is claimed that not only a UFO crashed,
but there were dead alien bodies.
It's rumored that perhaps one of those creatures on board
did survive for a short period of time.
It's the case that will not die.
It is shrouded in mystery.
And even now, all those that were at Roswell
or saw something around the time have all passed away.
However, information still comes to light.
It's lying in somebody's fires, or in a cupboard,
or, you know, in the attic, in a box, you know.
Just when you to think you've heard
everything there is to know about Roswell,
something pops up and bites you on the back side.
It really does.
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