1 00:00:19,172 --> 00:00:21,209 - The most famous and best known UFO case in the world, 2 00:00:21,243 --> 00:00:24,523 the UFO crash at Roswell in New Mexico. 3 00:00:24,557 --> 00:00:27,215 [ominous music] 4 00:00:54,863 --> 00:00:57,245 In 1993, a letter 5 00:00:58,626 --> 00:01:02,526 crossed my desk from a gentleman called Ray Santilli 6 00:01:02,561 --> 00:01:04,666 that would change things forever. 7 00:01:10,534 --> 00:01:12,156 He did go on to mention 8 00:01:13,537 --> 00:01:17,852 that he had film of the Roswell UFO crash. 9 00:01:19,854 --> 00:01:22,615 Not only did he have some film footage of Roswell, 10 00:01:22,650 --> 00:01:25,860 but the actual aliens themselves being dissected, 11 00:01:25,894 --> 00:01:27,240 an Alien Autopsy. 12 00:01:27,275 --> 00:01:30,002 [dramatic music] 13 00:01:54,129 --> 00:01:56,649 - An Alien Autopsy is always going to be 14 00:01:56,684 --> 00:01:58,824 something so ridicule. 15 00:01:58,858 --> 00:02:00,101 Who's gonna believe 16 00:02:00,135 --> 00:02:02,137 an Alien Autopsy is an alien autopsy. 17 00:02:02,172 --> 00:02:04,692 It's such a ridiculous subject. 18 00:02:21,709 --> 00:02:23,642 - I did get to the bottom of it. 19 00:02:23,676 --> 00:02:26,161 It just took me a lot longer than I expected. 20 00:02:29,406 --> 00:02:32,789 - Interestingly, internal communications from the CIA 21 00:02:32,823 --> 00:02:35,481 have been released where they are actually 22 00:02:35,515 --> 00:02:37,759 talking about Alien Autopsy back then 23 00:02:37,794 --> 00:02:41,694 and verifying that they believed that the footage is real 24 00:02:41,729 --> 00:02:43,316 and they've seen it themselves. 25 00:02:48,459 --> 00:02:53,464 - Perhaps in the desert of Roswell, New Mexico, in 1947, 26 00:02:55,501 --> 00:02:59,678 we have first contact with beings not of this Earth. 27 00:03:19,180 --> 00:03:21,596 [soft music] 28 00:03:27,464 --> 00:03:31,468 When I, rather naively, began by involvement, 29 00:03:31,502 --> 00:03:35,990 I expected to read a few books, ask a few questions, 30 00:03:36,024 --> 00:03:38,233 maybe write a few letters, 31 00:03:38,268 --> 00:03:41,271 and I'd have all the information I could ever dream of. 32 00:03:42,721 --> 00:03:46,586 I've certainly found some of those answers down the years, 33 00:03:46,621 --> 00:03:48,968 but by no means have I found them all. 34 00:04:09,023 --> 00:04:10,645 My name is Philip Mantle, 35 00:04:10,679 --> 00:04:14,856 and I've been involved in UFO research for 14 years. 36 00:04:15,892 --> 00:04:17,583 During that 14 years, you know, 37 00:04:17,617 --> 00:04:22,139 I've researched and investigated UFO cases 38 00:04:22,174 --> 00:04:23,727 of every description really, 39 00:04:24,866 --> 00:04:27,593 probably best known for my involvement 40 00:04:27,627 --> 00:04:30,630 in the Alien Autopsy film. 41 00:04:54,516 --> 00:04:57,830 - [Reporter] Headline of July 8, 1947. 42 00:04:57,865 --> 00:05:00,453 The Army Air Forces has announced that a flying disc 43 00:05:00,488 --> 00:05:04,526 had been found and is now in the production of the army. 44 00:05:06,597 --> 00:05:09,773 - The town of Roswell was in the middle of the desert 45 00:05:09,808 --> 00:05:13,052 in New Mexico, and its main employer 46 00:05:13,087 --> 00:05:17,816 was the Roswell Army Air Force base that was nearby. 47 00:05:19,334 --> 00:05:23,580 And one night in early July, there was a lightning storm. 48 00:05:24,961 --> 00:05:27,860 And the next day, on a sheep rancher's property, 49 00:05:27,895 --> 00:05:30,069 a chap called Mac Brazel come out 50 00:05:30,104 --> 00:05:32,244 to inspect his sheep one day 51 00:05:32,278 --> 00:05:34,625 and found this wreckage across his land. 52 00:05:34,660 --> 00:05:36,869 The sheep wouldn't go anywhere near it. 53 00:05:36,904 --> 00:05:40,252 He'd never seen this type of material before. 54 00:05:40,286 --> 00:05:41,701 He didn't have a telephone. 55 00:05:41,736 --> 00:05:43,876 He didn't even have electricity on his ranch. 56 00:05:43,911 --> 00:05:47,328 So he took some of this material to his neighbor, 57 00:05:49,951 --> 00:05:52,781 a lady by the name of Loretta Proctor at a nearby ranch. 58 00:05:53,921 --> 00:05:55,923 And she advised him to take it into the town. 59 00:05:55,957 --> 00:05:58,718 She said it might be something to do with the military. 60 00:05:58,753 --> 00:06:00,548 So we waited a few days 61 00:06:00,582 --> 00:06:02,688 until he had to go into town for something, 62 00:06:02,722 --> 00:06:05,518 and he gathered some of this material up 63 00:06:05,553 --> 00:06:07,072 and took it to the sheriff, 64 00:06:07,106 --> 00:06:10,523 and that was Sheriff George Wilcox. 65 00:06:10,558 --> 00:06:13,733 Again, Sheriff Wilcox had never seen anything like it. 66 00:06:13,768 --> 00:06:17,392 So he'd put in a phone call to the Roswell Army Air Force, 67 00:06:17,427 --> 00:06:19,739 which seemed the obvious thing for him to do. 68 00:06:25,366 --> 00:06:27,851 - I was calling the headquarters, 69 00:06:29,197 --> 00:06:32,752 was given copies of a press release which stated, 70 00:06:32,787 --> 00:06:37,792 in essence, that we had in our possession a flying disc. 71 00:06:39,173 --> 00:06:43,453 I was told to hand deliver to the four news media 72 00:06:43,487 --> 00:06:45,489 we had in town at that time, 73 00:06:45,524 --> 00:06:47,906 to radio stations and to newspapers. 74 00:06:54,119 --> 00:06:56,052 - That, of course, then went out on the wire service. 75 00:06:56,086 --> 00:06:57,777 The local radio covered it, 76 00:06:57,812 --> 00:07:00,401 and the story shot around the world. 77 00:07:00,435 --> 00:07:02,541 You know, the sheriff did say they were getting phone calls 78 00:07:02,575 --> 00:07:05,682 from, you know, all four corners of the globe. 79 00:07:05,716 --> 00:07:07,926 So that's how we got to know about it, 80 00:07:07,960 --> 00:07:11,722 not through any unofficial statement 81 00:07:11,757 --> 00:07:14,104 but from an official press release. 82 00:07:14,139 --> 00:07:17,073 Within hours, in fact, the next newspaper the following day, 83 00:07:17,107 --> 00:07:20,731 the retracted that, said, "Sorry, big mistake. 84 00:07:20,766 --> 00:07:22,147 "It was a weather balloon." 85 00:07:23,010 --> 00:07:26,013 [explosion blasts] 86 00:07:38,266 --> 00:07:39,888 The Roswell Army Air Force 87 00:07:39,923 --> 00:07:43,582 housed what is known as the 509th Bomb Group, 88 00:07:43,616 --> 00:07:47,206 and they were the only atomic bomb wing in the world. 89 00:07:47,241 --> 00:07:52,073 It was the 509th, for example, that dropped the atomic bombs 90 00:07:52,108 --> 00:07:54,524 on Japan to end the Second World War. 91 00:07:54,558 --> 00:07:57,044 So this wasn't some little, you know, air base 92 00:07:57,078 --> 00:07:58,700 stuck out in the middle of nowhere. 93 00:07:58,735 --> 00:08:01,255 It was a very important installation. 94 00:08:01,289 --> 00:08:05,500 It was a very different world than we have here today. 95 00:08:05,535 --> 00:08:10,505 There was very real fear that the US and the Soviet Union 96 00:08:10,540 --> 00:08:15,441 were heading for war, and that war would be a nuclear war. 97 00:08:19,342 --> 00:08:22,069 So there was still a great respect for officialdom, 98 00:08:22,103 --> 00:08:23,449 certainly in the military. 99 00:08:24,864 --> 00:08:28,903 Both the US and the USSR, in opposite direction, 100 00:08:28,937 --> 00:08:30,594 were keeping tabs on each other. 101 00:08:31,630 --> 00:08:33,563 We know that the atomic bomb 102 00:08:33,597 --> 00:08:36,221 was designed and invented in the United States. 103 00:08:36,255 --> 00:08:40,777 However, the secrets were leaked to the Soviet, 104 00:08:40,811 --> 00:08:43,987 so they did have atomic bombs, 105 00:08:44,022 --> 00:08:47,439 and the US were keeping a close eye on them 106 00:08:47,473 --> 00:08:48,681 the best they could. 107 00:08:48,716 --> 00:08:52,651 So tensions were very real in 1947, 108 00:08:52,685 --> 00:08:55,516 and there were many who suspected that, you know, 109 00:08:55,550 --> 00:08:57,035 war could well be imminent. 110 00:08:59,106 --> 00:09:03,110 Primarily, if the military said something was so and so, 111 00:09:03,144 --> 00:09:05,250 then you'd probably believe them. 112 00:09:05,284 --> 00:09:06,492 A lot of people in the town 113 00:09:06,527 --> 00:09:08,460 maybe even served in the military at one point. 114 00:09:08,494 --> 00:09:11,980 The town depended on the air base for its living 115 00:09:12,015 --> 00:09:12,912 during those days. 116 00:09:12,947 --> 00:09:15,156 It certainly did have an effect. 117 00:09:18,711 --> 00:09:20,437 After the telephone call 118 00:09:20,472 --> 00:09:23,406 went to the air base from the sheriff, 119 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,685 they dispatched their intelligence officer, 120 00:09:26,719 --> 00:09:29,653 which was a Lieutenant Jesse Marcel. 121 00:09:29,688 --> 00:09:32,863 He took with him a gentleman called Sheridan Cavitt, 122 00:09:32,898 --> 00:09:35,694 and they made their way out to the Brazel ranch 123 00:09:36,902 --> 00:09:38,593 and collected some of this material. 124 00:09:39,974 --> 00:09:43,081 And on their way back, Marcel stopped at his home. 125 00:09:43,115 --> 00:09:44,289 He didn't live on the base. 126 00:09:44,323 --> 00:09:46,532 He lived off base with his wife 127 00:09:46,567 --> 00:09:50,018 and his 11-year-old son, Jesse Marcel, Jr. 128 00:09:52,193 --> 00:09:54,057 - When he came in, he was very excited. 129 00:09:54,092 --> 00:09:55,507 He woke my mother and myself up. 130 00:09:55,541 --> 00:09:58,372 It must have been one or two o'clock in the morning. 131 00:09:58,406 --> 00:10:00,581 And he wanted us to see 132 00:10:00,615 --> 00:10:02,824 what he was bringing in from the field. 133 00:10:02,859 --> 00:10:05,206 He said, "This is parts of a flying saucer." 134 00:10:05,241 --> 00:10:06,794 And it was all brought in 135 00:10:06,828 --> 00:10:09,486 and spread out on the kitchen floor, 136 00:10:09,521 --> 00:10:12,075 and we just looked at it. 137 00:10:12,110 --> 00:10:17,115 - Young Marcel picked up a rod about this long 138 00:10:18,219 --> 00:10:20,946 that looked edged on like a capital letter I. 139 00:10:20,980 --> 00:10:22,706 So it got the nickname of an I beam. 140 00:10:22,741 --> 00:10:25,468 - You know, I picked up this particular I beam 141 00:10:25,502 --> 00:10:27,711 and held it up to my upper left to look at it 142 00:10:27,746 --> 00:10:31,059 with the kitchen light reflecting on the inner surface, 143 00:10:31,094 --> 00:10:33,545 and that's when I saw the writing 144 00:10:33,579 --> 00:10:35,581 or the symbols of some sort. 145 00:10:35,616 --> 00:10:38,308 I thought at first, this is hieroglyphics 146 00:10:38,343 --> 00:10:40,552 or some kind of writing like that. 147 00:10:40,586 --> 00:10:42,105 It sort of looked alien to me. 148 00:10:43,624 --> 00:10:47,455 - And his father said, "Son, you may be the first person 149 00:10:47,490 --> 00:10:49,733 "to ever see writing from another world." 150 00:10:51,149 --> 00:10:53,323 He gathered this stuff up and took it back to the base. 151 00:10:56,568 --> 00:10:59,053 There are some people, even today, who would say, 152 00:10:59,087 --> 00:11:01,642 "Well, you know, the military did make a mistake, 153 00:11:01,676 --> 00:11:05,128 "and it was indeed simply a balloon 154 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:09,201 "but attached to a secret project. 155 00:11:09,236 --> 00:11:12,722 "Hence, you know, the reason for keeping it quiet." 156 00:11:12,756 --> 00:11:17,071 You go back to Major Marcel himself, they used to release 157 00:11:17,105 --> 00:11:19,729 weather balloons twice a day from the air force base. 158 00:11:19,763 --> 00:11:21,972 He'd been trained in how to do this. 159 00:11:22,007 --> 00:11:24,285 He knew what a weather balloon looked like. 160 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:28,116 And he said, "That material that I posed for in his office 161 00:11:28,151 --> 00:11:30,498 "was a weather balloon, but that wasn't the material 162 00:11:30,533 --> 00:11:33,432 "that I've picked up that day on the ranch." 163 00:11:34,813 --> 00:11:36,987 He claimed that there'd been a switch, 164 00:11:37,022 --> 00:11:39,473 and he was told to keep quiet and saying nothing. 165 00:11:41,682 --> 00:11:45,720 Why the coverup was put in place is still hotly debated. 166 00:11:45,755 --> 00:11:46,928 But we have to remember, 167 00:11:46,963 --> 00:11:49,137 this is just after the Second World War, 168 00:11:49,172 --> 00:11:51,588 so people were used to keeping secrets. 169 00:11:51,623 --> 00:11:53,487 And the nature of the air base itself, 170 00:11:53,521 --> 00:11:56,662 it was a nuclear facility. 171 00:11:56,697 --> 00:12:00,218 So you know, secrets were part of everyday routine. 172 00:12:05,084 --> 00:12:08,260 - I sincerely believe we had a crash 173 00:12:08,295 --> 00:12:11,021 of something from outer space 174 00:12:11,056 --> 00:12:14,024 because we still don't have materials 175 00:12:14,059 --> 00:12:18,028 that compare with the descriptions that I've gotten 176 00:12:18,063 --> 00:12:22,550 of the material that was picked up out on the ranch 177 00:12:22,585 --> 00:12:23,862 and brought into town. 178 00:12:24,966 --> 00:12:26,278 - He couldn't figure this out. 179 00:12:26,313 --> 00:12:28,522 There were some other bits and pieces, 180 00:12:28,556 --> 00:12:30,248 the likes of which he'd never seen before. 181 00:12:30,282 --> 00:12:31,697 This was the puzzling thing. 182 00:12:31,732 --> 00:12:36,288 They had seen weather balloons and things of that nature 183 00:12:36,323 --> 00:12:37,979 but nothing like this at all. 184 00:12:39,153 --> 00:12:41,742 - I think at last count, I had spoken 185 00:12:41,776 --> 00:12:44,400 to around four dozen people 186 00:12:44,434 --> 00:12:48,127 who handled various aspects of the debris. 187 00:12:48,162 --> 00:12:51,855 The most dramatic is the foil-like material 188 00:12:51,890 --> 00:12:53,754 that you can wad up in a ball and let it go 189 00:12:53,788 --> 00:12:55,411 and it would unfold itself. 190 00:12:55,445 --> 00:12:59,173 - Mac Brazel, like Sheriff Wilcox and others, 191 00:12:59,207 --> 00:13:02,176 claim that some of this material was almost, 192 00:13:02,210 --> 00:13:04,109 almost looked like tin foil. 193 00:13:05,524 --> 00:13:09,045 But it was very light, and when you rolled it up 194 00:13:09,079 --> 00:13:12,807 or crushed it in your hand and then let go again, 195 00:13:12,842 --> 00:13:14,533 it would immediately unfurl 196 00:13:14,568 --> 00:13:16,432 and go back to its original shape 197 00:13:16,466 --> 00:13:19,400 without any creases or bents or dents, 198 00:13:19,435 --> 00:13:21,713 and it got the nickname of memory metal. 199 00:13:23,162 --> 00:13:25,130 - They tried to burn it and they couldn't burn it, 200 00:13:25,164 --> 00:13:26,718 and it wouldn't catch on fire. 201 00:13:26,752 --> 00:13:28,513 And they took out their pocket knives 202 00:13:28,547 --> 00:13:31,792 and they tried to cut it, and they couldn't cut it. 203 00:13:31,826 --> 00:13:33,828 I guess they all had their chance to play with it 204 00:13:33,863 --> 00:13:35,520 for a while, and it was laying on the table, 205 00:13:35,554 --> 00:13:37,867 so I reached up and picked it up, 206 00:13:37,901 --> 00:13:40,318 and I played for it probably about five minutes. 207 00:13:41,215 --> 00:13:42,734 When you would wad it up in your hand, 208 00:13:42,768 --> 00:13:44,977 you couldn't feel it in your hand. 209 00:13:45,012 --> 00:13:47,635 You couldn't feel you had anything there. 210 00:13:47,670 --> 00:13:49,948 And it would go to a size that was so small 211 00:13:51,501 --> 00:13:55,367 that you'd have to look to see if it was still in your hand. 212 00:13:55,402 --> 00:13:58,819 And then when you drop it, it spread out over the table. 213 00:13:58,853 --> 00:14:01,097 Daddy came in so excited, 214 00:14:01,131 --> 00:14:04,894 and he said what they saw was not from this world. 215 00:14:04,928 --> 00:14:06,689 There were two bodies 216 00:14:08,484 --> 00:14:11,107 that were laying on the ground outside of this craft 217 00:14:11,141 --> 00:14:14,766 and that there was one, what he called little person. 218 00:14:14,800 --> 00:14:16,319 And he said there's one little person 219 00:14:16,354 --> 00:14:19,287 that was walking around, and he said they were still alive. 220 00:14:19,322 --> 00:14:23,602 And he said that the other two were dead 221 00:14:23,637 --> 00:14:25,949 and that this one that was alive was very sad. 222 00:14:27,330 --> 00:14:30,506 My dad would not have gotten excited over a weather balloon. 223 00:14:30,540 --> 00:14:34,026 He was not easily excitable, and this is the most thrilled 224 00:14:34,061 --> 00:14:35,511 I'd ever seen him in my life. 225 00:14:36,960 --> 00:14:39,791 He thought that was the most fantastic thing in the world. 226 00:14:41,724 --> 00:14:43,104 - When you go back to Roswell 227 00:14:43,139 --> 00:14:46,038 and look at the various eyewitnesses, 228 00:14:46,073 --> 00:14:50,664 not many of them stepped forward at that time in 1947 229 00:14:52,079 --> 00:14:54,322 simply because there was no avenue for them to do so. 230 00:14:55,462 --> 00:14:57,809 It wasn't until some years later, 231 00:14:57,843 --> 00:15:01,709 when, in the late 1970s, nuclear physicist 232 00:15:01,744 --> 00:15:06,749 and UFO researcher Stanton Friedman met Colonel Marcel. 233 00:15:07,612 --> 00:15:09,476 He was in retirement now. 234 00:15:09,510 --> 00:15:11,581 He was introduced to him by a TV station 235 00:15:11,616 --> 00:15:12,927 who knew about his story. 236 00:15:13,928 --> 00:15:15,136 Then the word got out. 237 00:15:16,275 --> 00:15:18,864 Roswell became news. 238 00:15:18,899 --> 00:15:22,281 It was featured in television and newspapers and so on. 239 00:15:22,316 --> 00:15:24,801 And it's only when that happened then other people 240 00:15:24,836 --> 00:15:27,666 who were there at the time stepped forward. 241 00:15:27,701 --> 00:15:31,946 Some went on the record, others, you know, in confidence. 242 00:15:34,121 --> 00:15:36,986 Some were also found by UFO researchers. 243 00:15:37,020 --> 00:15:39,713 They looked who was serving in the military at the air base 244 00:15:39,747 --> 00:15:44,131 at that time and were able to track them down and find them. 245 00:15:44,165 --> 00:15:47,721 So many of the airmen and civilian witnesses as well 246 00:15:47,755 --> 00:15:49,412 went on the record. 247 00:15:49,447 --> 00:15:52,657 So the investigation to Roswell 248 00:15:52,691 --> 00:15:56,143 started in earnest in the late 1970s, 249 00:15:56,177 --> 00:15:58,248 and it's still ongoing even today. 250 00:15:58,283 --> 00:16:03,184 There's been lots of firsthand witnesses from the military, 251 00:16:03,219 --> 00:16:07,326 go on the record, even young Marcel himself. 252 00:16:07,361 --> 00:16:11,607 He became a doctor, a medical doctor, and a flight surgeon, 253 00:16:11,641 --> 00:16:13,436 served in the military himself. 254 00:16:14,817 --> 00:16:16,646 He's gone on the record, wrote his own book about it, 255 00:16:16,681 --> 00:16:18,337 spoke at conferences. 256 00:16:18,372 --> 00:16:20,650 Sadly, he's no longer with us. 257 00:16:20,685 --> 00:16:22,963 So a lot of the people who were there, 258 00:16:22,997 --> 00:16:25,966 either first or second hand, stepped forward. 259 00:16:27,415 --> 00:16:31,489 There is this threatening aspect of the Roswell story, 260 00:16:31,523 --> 00:16:34,353 but again, we have to remember, 261 00:16:34,388 --> 00:16:37,495 it was a different era and a different time. 262 00:16:37,529 --> 00:16:40,221 So there were those, certainly in the military, 263 00:16:40,256 --> 00:16:42,430 if they were told to keep quiet, 264 00:16:42,465 --> 00:16:44,156 then they would do exactly that. 265 00:16:44,191 --> 00:16:45,951 That was their duty, and that's the way they were trained, 266 00:16:45,986 --> 00:16:48,575 and that's the way they acted. 267 00:16:48,609 --> 00:16:50,611 A number of the military witnesses 268 00:16:50,646 --> 00:16:53,890 didn't go on the record for a long time, 269 00:16:53,925 --> 00:16:57,100 perhaps when they were in the twilight of their own life 270 00:16:57,135 --> 00:16:59,171 and they thought, "Well, if I don't say something now, 271 00:16:59,206 --> 00:17:01,657 "then I'll never have the opportunity." 272 00:17:01,691 --> 00:17:04,073 And that seems to be the case in, you know, 273 00:17:04,107 --> 00:17:05,419 on a number of occasions. 274 00:17:08,042 --> 00:17:09,527 - The best evidence we have 275 00:17:09,561 --> 00:17:12,737 from a number of eyewitness sources is that the craft 276 00:17:12,771 --> 00:17:15,291 and the bodies were brought to Hangar 84 277 00:17:15,325 --> 00:17:16,948 on the Roswell army airfield 278 00:17:16,982 --> 00:17:20,330 and stored overnight before transport. 279 00:17:20,365 --> 00:17:22,540 What we understand from the eyewitness testimony 280 00:17:22,574 --> 00:17:25,715 is the bodies were sealed in a large wooden crate 281 00:17:27,337 --> 00:17:29,201 kept at the center of the hangar. 282 00:17:29,236 --> 00:17:31,928 It's absolutely brilliant what they did. 283 00:17:31,963 --> 00:17:35,898 They announced they have a flying saucer, 284 00:17:35,932 --> 00:17:36,968 but they've already captured it. 285 00:17:37,002 --> 00:17:38,141 They've already got it. 286 00:17:38,176 --> 00:17:39,349 There's nothing to see. 287 00:17:39,384 --> 00:17:41,386 So nobody goes out looking for the thing. 288 00:17:41,420 --> 00:17:43,181 Then they shift everything to Fort Worth. 289 00:17:43,215 --> 00:17:44,389 The higher headquarters says, 290 00:17:44,423 --> 00:17:45,459 "No, no, those guys made a mistake. 291 00:17:45,493 --> 00:17:47,081 "It was just a weather balloon." 292 00:17:48,496 --> 00:17:50,947 - One of the sinister things about the Roswell affair 293 00:17:50,982 --> 00:17:55,434 is that there are claims that the military 294 00:17:55,469 --> 00:17:58,506 not only ordered the people under their command 295 00:17:58,541 --> 00:18:02,649 to stay quiet, but also civilian witnesses. 296 00:18:02,683 --> 00:18:04,512 - The press can't find Jesse Marcel 297 00:18:04,547 --> 00:18:07,101 because he's in Fort Worth and he's been silenced. 298 00:18:07,136 --> 00:18:09,690 - You know, when he came back from Roswell 299 00:18:09,725 --> 00:18:12,244 after finding the debris, he did tell me 300 00:18:12,279 --> 00:18:13,729 not to talk about this to my brother, 301 00:18:13,763 --> 00:18:14,764 not to talk about this. 302 00:18:14,799 --> 00:18:16,007 This is a non event. 303 00:18:16,041 --> 00:18:17,249 Play like it never happened. 304 00:18:17,284 --> 00:18:18,734 Don't even talk about this with your friends, 305 00:18:18,768 --> 00:18:20,149 which I didn't. 306 00:18:20,183 --> 00:18:23,980 And years later, he confided that he was actually 307 00:18:24,015 --> 00:18:27,018 part of the coverup because he went along 308 00:18:27,052 --> 00:18:29,089 with the Air Force explanation 309 00:18:29,123 --> 00:18:32,092 even though he knew full well that that was not true. 310 00:18:32,126 --> 00:18:34,094 - There's corroborative testimony that suggests 311 00:18:34,128 --> 00:18:38,063 somebody was putting pressure on people to silence them, 312 00:18:38,098 --> 00:18:40,618 and they used what means were necessary 313 00:18:40,652 --> 00:18:41,895 to keep those people silent. 314 00:18:41,929 --> 00:18:43,690 Some of the civilians, they were told 315 00:18:43,724 --> 00:18:45,692 that if you ever talk about it, you will be killed. 316 00:18:45,726 --> 00:18:49,040 - For example, the lady by the name of Frankie Rowe, 317 00:18:49,074 --> 00:18:51,525 her father was a firefighter. 318 00:18:51,559 --> 00:18:54,321 He's claimed that they were dispatched to the event, 319 00:18:54,355 --> 00:18:56,219 and he managed to somehow acquire 320 00:18:56,254 --> 00:18:59,084 a piece of this memory metal and show it to her. 321 00:18:59,119 --> 00:19:00,638 You know, she was his daughter. 322 00:19:02,018 --> 00:19:05,781 Shortly after, they were visited by members of the military 323 00:19:05,815 --> 00:19:08,715 with a stern warning, I mean, a very stern warning 324 00:19:08,749 --> 00:19:11,994 that keep quiet about this and say nothing, you know. 325 00:19:12,028 --> 00:19:14,582 Bullets are cheap, so to speak. 326 00:19:14,617 --> 00:19:16,792 - I said, "Yes, I did handle it." 327 00:19:16,826 --> 00:19:19,104 And he started emphasizing, "No, you didn't." 328 00:19:21,037 --> 00:19:24,834 Well, my mother was pretty strict, and we didn't lie. 329 00:19:24,869 --> 00:19:27,147 So I'm insistent that yes, I saw it. 330 00:19:27,181 --> 00:19:28,769 Yes, I held it. 331 00:19:28,804 --> 00:19:31,876 And he got mad, and he got louder. 332 00:19:33,084 --> 00:19:35,776 And he had one of those, 333 00:19:37,536 --> 00:19:38,917 it looks like a small baseball bat 334 00:19:38,952 --> 00:19:40,712 that hooks on the side of your belt. 335 00:19:40,747 --> 00:19:43,266 He took that out, and he's holding it, 336 00:19:43,301 --> 00:19:45,268 and he starts beating his hand. 337 00:19:45,303 --> 00:19:48,340 Every time he said something, he would hit back on his hand, 338 00:19:49,479 --> 00:19:52,310 and he would say, "I want you to understand. 339 00:19:52,344 --> 00:19:53,621 "You were never there. 340 00:19:54,795 --> 00:19:56,521 "You did not see anything. 341 00:19:58,005 --> 00:20:00,042 "You did not hear a conversation." 342 00:20:02,009 --> 00:20:05,288 And he said, "If you can't understand this, 343 00:20:05,323 --> 00:20:07,705 "there are things that we can do." 344 00:20:08,671 --> 00:20:09,879 He said, "We can take you out here 345 00:20:09,914 --> 00:20:11,605 "in the middle of this desert." 346 00:20:11,639 --> 00:20:14,056 He said, "This is a big desert here." 347 00:20:14,090 --> 00:20:16,644 He said, "No one will ever find your bodies ever. 348 00:20:16,679 --> 00:20:19,302 "No one will ever know what happened to you." 349 00:20:19,337 --> 00:20:21,753 He said, "The only way I'm gonna let you 350 00:20:21,788 --> 00:20:23,790 "stay around or live is if you promise 351 00:20:23,824 --> 00:20:26,724 "you'll never talk about this for the rest of your life." 352 00:20:27,932 --> 00:20:30,037 So I told him I wouldn't. 353 00:20:33,075 --> 00:20:36,457 - And that was a reoccurring theme every now and again 354 00:20:36,492 --> 00:20:39,253 both with civilian and military witnesses. 355 00:20:54,544 --> 00:20:56,512 The wreckage at the time, 356 00:20:56,546 --> 00:21:00,067 and it even says this in the newspaper cuttings, 357 00:21:00,102 --> 00:21:03,139 was flown to Wright Field, as it was called, 358 00:21:03,174 --> 00:21:07,281 and it's now called Wright-Patterson air force base, 359 00:21:07,316 --> 00:21:09,076 still in operation. 360 00:21:09,111 --> 00:21:12,493 And it's claimed that is where the wreckage 361 00:21:12,528 --> 00:21:16,601 and possibly even the bodies were studied, 362 00:21:16,635 --> 00:21:17,809 officially studied. 363 00:21:19,259 --> 00:21:22,676 And it was in a mythical, almost mythical hangar, 364 00:21:22,710 --> 00:21:24,195 given the number of Hangar 18. 365 00:21:27,612 --> 00:21:30,926 There are those that claim that when the wreckage 366 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:33,894 was studied at Wright-Patterson air force base, 367 00:21:33,929 --> 00:21:38,623 it was direct fed secretly into civilian research programs 368 00:21:41,453 --> 00:21:43,352 and that it may have helped the technology 369 00:21:43,386 --> 00:21:45,181 for the space race, for example. 370 00:21:46,458 --> 00:21:48,840 - [T.J.] Good Lord ride all the way. 371 00:21:48,875 --> 00:21:50,393 - [Scott] Godspeed, John Glenn. 372 00:21:59,126 --> 00:22:01,922 - Silicon chips, fiber optics, 373 00:22:03,096 --> 00:22:04,856 and eventually, all the way through 374 00:22:04,891 --> 00:22:09,067 to the stealth technology that we see in the aircraft. 375 00:22:09,102 --> 00:22:11,932 That is a rumor, and it's not proven, 376 00:22:13,106 --> 00:22:15,073 but there are those that say that, you know, 377 00:22:15,108 --> 00:22:19,319 most of the technology that was found that day at Roswell 378 00:22:19,353 --> 00:22:22,149 are still yet to be identified, 379 00:22:22,184 --> 00:22:25,325 and we haven't been able to reverse engineer it at all. 380 00:22:33,402 --> 00:22:37,026 The story got a new lease of life, certainly, in the 1980s. 381 00:22:38,648 --> 00:22:41,651 Stanton Friedman, sadly no longer with us, 382 00:22:41,686 --> 00:22:45,000 but he was the main civilian researcher 383 00:22:45,034 --> 00:22:48,969 of the Roswell incident, and he had no doubt, 384 00:22:49,004 --> 00:22:54,009 no doubt whatsoever that this was a crash of a vehicle 385 00:22:55,631 --> 00:22:58,945 that was not of this Earth and that a coverup 386 00:22:58,979 --> 00:23:02,224 was put in place almost immediately, 387 00:23:02,258 --> 00:23:04,916 one that is still intact today. 388 00:23:04,951 --> 00:23:07,194 And I think it was Stanton who coined the phrase 389 00:23:07,229 --> 00:23:09,438 the cosmic Watergate. 390 00:23:09,472 --> 00:23:12,924 So he had no doubt that, a, it was an alien vehicle, 391 00:23:12,959 --> 00:23:14,477 and b, there's a coverup. 392 00:23:16,169 --> 00:23:17,584 - How about the analysis of the materials? 393 00:23:17,618 --> 00:23:19,379 How about the autopsy reports? 394 00:23:19,413 --> 00:23:21,381 How about the eyewitness testimony 395 00:23:21,415 --> 00:23:23,521 from those who stood guard, those who carried it, 396 00:23:23,555 --> 00:23:25,903 those who tested it at various government labs? 397 00:23:25,937 --> 00:23:27,697 There ought to be a ton of other papers. 398 00:23:27,732 --> 00:23:30,908 - Stanton was a diligent researcher, 399 00:23:32,116 --> 00:23:34,877 and he would track down and interview 400 00:23:35,740 --> 00:23:37,949 witnesses to the event. 401 00:23:37,984 --> 00:23:40,779 He was also one of those that would be quite happy 402 00:23:40,814 --> 00:23:44,507 to spend days researching through government archives 403 00:23:44,542 --> 00:23:48,063 to find documentation of one form or another. 404 00:23:48,097 --> 00:23:50,582 And he was literally, once he got his teeth into something, 405 00:23:50,617 --> 00:23:52,274 he was like a dog with a bone. 406 00:23:52,308 --> 00:23:54,379 And he did uncover a number of witnesses. 407 00:23:54,414 --> 00:23:57,693 He interviewed just about anybody and everybody. 408 00:23:57,727 --> 00:24:01,628 But what he also did was helped spread the word. 409 00:24:01,662 --> 00:24:02,870 You know, he was the man 410 00:24:02,905 --> 00:24:05,080 that actually put Roswell on the map. 411 00:24:05,114 --> 00:24:08,807 And gradually, you know, the UFO story was out there 412 00:24:08,842 --> 00:24:10,395 for all of us to digest. 413 00:24:11,500 --> 00:24:15,607 Roswell, the town itself is still thriving. 414 00:24:15,642 --> 00:24:18,576 The air force base closed many years back. 415 00:24:18,610 --> 00:24:21,165 Back in the 1980s, some documents 416 00:24:21,199 --> 00:24:25,134 known as Majestic 12 or Magic 12 were leaked, 417 00:24:25,169 --> 00:24:29,276 and it mentioned here that, you know, the bodies 418 00:24:29,311 --> 00:24:32,693 and other things were studied at a secret base. 419 00:24:32,728 --> 00:24:36,111 And of course, you put two and two together, 420 00:24:36,145 --> 00:24:40,529 and that secret base is alleged to be Area 51. 421 00:24:47,432 --> 00:24:50,125 I was the press officer 422 00:24:50,159 --> 00:24:53,991 for the British UFO Research Association. 423 00:24:54,025 --> 00:24:56,510 And in 1993, 424 00:24:56,545 --> 00:25:01,550 a letter crossed my desk that would change things forever. 425 00:25:02,137 --> 00:25:04,656 [ominous music] 426 00:25:09,075 --> 00:25:12,285 And it was a letter from the Merlin Group in London, 427 00:25:13,527 --> 00:25:15,529 from a gentleman called Ray Santilli. 428 00:25:17,014 --> 00:25:20,293 After the initial letter, we corresponded some more 429 00:25:20,327 --> 00:25:22,571 and I spoke to Ray Santilli on the telephone. 430 00:25:22,605 --> 00:25:26,989 He apparently knew very little about the UFO subject, 431 00:25:27,024 --> 00:25:30,613 so I arranged to meet Ray Santilli in London. 432 00:25:30,648 --> 00:25:32,098 Obviously, a businessman, 433 00:25:32,132 --> 00:25:34,755 music was his main area of business. 434 00:25:34,790 --> 00:25:36,826 He obviously knew about that. 435 00:25:37,689 --> 00:25:40,278 However, he did go on to mention 436 00:25:41,693 --> 00:25:46,043 that he had film of the Roswell UFO crash. 437 00:25:48,700 --> 00:25:51,427 Not only did he have some film footage of Roswell 438 00:25:51,462 --> 00:25:54,741 but the actual aliens themselves being dissected 439 00:25:54,775 --> 00:25:56,087 an alien autopsy. 440 00:26:49,934 --> 00:26:51,349 - The story from that point on 441 00:26:51,384 --> 00:26:52,937 became quite a roller coaster. 442 00:26:56,182 --> 00:26:58,874 - At the time, you know, I didn't look upon it 443 00:26:58,908 --> 00:27:02,049 as being anything other than just a film. 444 00:27:02,084 --> 00:27:05,570 You have to ask yourself, okay, we have a film. 445 00:27:05,605 --> 00:27:07,503 What could it be? 446 00:27:07,538 --> 00:27:10,023 - First of all, could it be a hoax? 447 00:27:10,057 --> 00:27:11,542 Of course it could, you know. 448 00:27:11,576 --> 00:27:13,337 When you look at the movie Jurassic Park, 449 00:27:13,371 --> 00:27:15,166 they made full sized dinosaurs, 450 00:27:15,201 --> 00:27:16,961 you know, move and look real. 451 00:27:16,995 --> 00:27:20,102 So with enough time and money, yes, it could be a hoax. 452 00:27:21,276 --> 00:27:22,829 Then we looked at could it be real. 453 00:27:22,863 --> 00:27:26,660 Could it really be, you know, from Roswell? 454 00:27:26,695 --> 00:27:28,041 Like I said, it had always been rumored 455 00:27:28,075 --> 00:27:30,492 that film and still photographs were taken. 456 00:27:30,526 --> 00:27:32,839 There was also another idea that perhaps 457 00:27:32,873 --> 00:27:35,566 this was some kind of poor, deformed human being 458 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,084 that we were looking at. 459 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,191 So it was, again, a real film, but it was of some, 460 00:27:40,226 --> 00:27:43,263 you know, some deformed person. 461 00:27:43,298 --> 00:27:46,956 And there was even another theory, if you like, 462 00:27:46,991 --> 00:27:51,996 that could this be some US military disinformation film, 463 00:27:52,928 --> 00:27:54,999 not to disinform UFO researchers. 464 00:27:55,033 --> 00:27:58,451 Perhaps it was made to fool the Soviets, you know, 465 00:27:58,485 --> 00:28:01,108 and leak it into the Soviet Union to say, 466 00:28:01,143 --> 00:28:02,696 look what we've gone. 467 00:28:02,731 --> 00:28:04,698 So there was a number of ideas, you know, 468 00:28:04,733 --> 00:28:07,529 as to what may or may not be, none of which could be proven 469 00:28:07,563 --> 00:28:09,255 one way or another at that point. 470 00:28:12,085 --> 00:28:15,157 I spent, in total, 14 years 471 00:28:16,262 --> 00:28:18,229 researching the Alien Autopsy film. 472 00:28:19,575 --> 00:28:22,268 And in 2006, we'd already been given a name, 473 00:28:22,302 --> 00:28:25,547 a first name of a gentleman, and the name was Spyros. 474 00:28:26,651 --> 00:28:27,859 I knew the film was a fake. 475 00:28:27,894 --> 00:28:29,033 I just couldn't prove it. 476 00:28:29,067 --> 00:28:31,518 I had a few missing pieces. 477 00:28:32,623 --> 00:28:35,073 A colleague of mine called Russell Callahan 478 00:28:35,108 --> 00:28:38,560 had a phone call from a gentleman called 479 00:28:41,390 --> 00:28:42,633 Spyros Melaris. 480 00:28:43,910 --> 00:28:45,636 And he said, Russell said, 481 00:28:45,670 --> 00:28:47,051 "It's not me you want to speak to. 482 00:28:47,085 --> 00:28:48,501 "It's Philip." 483 00:28:48,535 --> 00:28:51,124 And bang, there was our mysterious man 484 00:28:51,158 --> 00:28:52,090 we'd been looking for. 485 00:28:52,125 --> 00:28:53,713 And as soon as I spoke to him, 486 00:28:53,747 --> 00:28:55,542 he just filled in all the gaps. 487 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:57,268 Game over. 488 00:28:58,511 --> 00:28:59,753 - Spyros. 489 00:28:59,788 --> 00:29:03,619 Spyros Melaris is a very talented 490 00:29:03,654 --> 00:29:07,865 and very interesting and creative filmmaker. 491 00:29:07,899 --> 00:29:11,834 I used Spyros on Alien Autopsy when we did 492 00:29:11,869 --> 00:29:13,526 The Investigation Continues, 493 00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,529 which was a 60-minute documentary 494 00:29:16,563 --> 00:29:19,739 based on everything that happened at Roswell. 495 00:29:21,188 --> 00:29:25,779 So he was quite involved in most parts of the project. 496 00:29:29,162 --> 00:29:33,304 And you know, I know that there's, you know, 497 00:29:34,236 --> 00:29:36,031 some difficulty at the moment 498 00:29:36,065 --> 00:29:39,206 because he's laying claim to coming up 499 00:29:39,241 --> 00:29:41,554 with the entire concept of Alien Autopsy 500 00:29:41,588 --> 00:29:45,040 and doing everything, but that's absolutely not true. 501 00:29:45,074 --> 00:29:48,457 He was not involved in our trip in America, 502 00:29:48,492 --> 00:29:51,391 finding the cameraman, bringing the footage over 503 00:29:51,426 --> 00:29:52,806 and all of that part of it. 504 00:29:55,015 --> 00:29:58,605 - All the questions I'd been asking for years, 505 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:00,538 he had an answer for all of them. 506 00:30:00,573 --> 00:30:03,921 It's like I'm in a jigsaw puzzle with bits missing. 507 00:30:03,955 --> 00:30:06,441 And I needed a good idea of what the jigsaw was. 508 00:30:06,475 --> 00:30:08,788 And once you got the missing part, 509 00:30:08,822 --> 00:30:11,342 it just, that was it, finished. 510 00:30:18,384 --> 00:30:23,389 At some point in the 2000s, I was contacted by a gentleman 511 00:30:24,562 --> 00:30:26,046 who claimed to have some information about it. 512 00:30:26,081 --> 00:30:28,635 So I met him, and he said 513 00:30:28,670 --> 00:30:33,675 a good friend of a sculptor here in the UK. 514 00:30:35,124 --> 00:30:36,436 He wouldn't tell me the sculptors name. 515 00:30:36,471 --> 00:30:40,509 However, before he left the meeting, he let slip 516 00:30:40,544 --> 00:30:43,995 one of the projects this sculptor was responsible for, 517 00:30:44,030 --> 00:30:47,654 and it was a channel for recreation some years prior 518 00:30:47,689 --> 00:30:50,864 called Max Headroom, which was quite popular. 519 00:30:52,383 --> 00:30:55,559 So we checked out who this gentleman was, 520 00:30:55,593 --> 00:30:58,182 and he was indeed a UK sculptor, 521 00:30:59,390 --> 00:31:00,805 and he was called John Humphreys. 522 00:31:03,187 --> 00:31:06,604 - John Humphreys is one of the best makers 523 00:31:06,639 --> 00:31:08,054 in terms of prosthetics. 524 00:31:08,088 --> 00:31:08,882 He's a sculptor. 525 00:31:08,917 --> 00:31:10,367 He's an artist. 526 00:31:10,401 --> 00:31:11,989 He's a creative. 527 00:31:12,023 --> 00:31:16,959 - Spyros, then and now, went on to tell me 528 00:31:16,994 --> 00:31:21,964 that he'd heard Ray Santilli's story about, you know, 529 00:31:23,310 --> 00:31:26,348 meeting this fake cameraman and so on. 530 00:31:26,383 --> 00:31:30,456 He'd met Ray by chance at a film festival in France, 531 00:31:30,490 --> 00:31:33,079 contacted him again when he came back to the UK. 532 00:31:34,287 --> 00:31:36,600 Ray Santilli shows Spyros a piece of film, 533 00:31:38,187 --> 00:31:42,053 and supposedly, that's never been filmed on celluloid. 534 00:31:42,985 --> 00:31:44,366 It's VHS. 535 00:31:45,816 --> 00:31:48,439 So Ray told him this fake story about the cameraman 536 00:31:48,474 --> 00:31:49,992 and him paying for this footage. 537 00:31:50,027 --> 00:31:54,790 So he took off to drive home, Spyros, and he had this idea. 538 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,208 He phoned a friend of his which was the sculptor, 539 00:31:59,243 --> 00:32:01,797 John Humphreys, and told him about this story. 540 00:32:01,832 --> 00:32:05,042 And they said, "Well, why don't we make him one? 541 00:32:05,076 --> 00:32:08,459 "I.e., why don't we make him an alien autopsy film?" 542 00:32:08,494 --> 00:32:11,117 So Spyros went back to Ray and said, 543 00:32:11,151 --> 00:32:14,396 "If you want an alien autopsy film, you know, 544 00:32:14,431 --> 00:32:17,123 "we can make it for you," simple as that. 545 00:32:19,436 --> 00:32:22,404 Well, I think Ray Santilli's reaction was, 546 00:32:22,439 --> 00:32:25,131 you know, the light bulb moment. 547 00:32:25,165 --> 00:32:27,789 It was just a question of the financing. 548 00:32:27,823 --> 00:32:32,828 And they had a gentleman who could provide that finance, 549 00:32:33,691 --> 00:32:36,004 so you know, the game was afoot. 550 00:32:40,698 --> 00:32:43,839 I've been involved in looking at Roswell 551 00:32:43,874 --> 00:32:46,704 probably from about 1993. 552 00:32:47,912 --> 00:32:49,673 Everybody knows a bit about Roswell, 553 00:32:49,707 --> 00:32:51,882 and the reason we're talking about it again 554 00:32:51,916 --> 00:32:54,436 is because of the Alien Autopsy. 555 00:32:57,232 --> 00:33:00,615 - Interestingly, internal communications from the CIA 556 00:33:00,649 --> 00:33:03,341 have been released where they were actually 557 00:33:03,376 --> 00:33:05,620 talking about Alien Autopsy back then 558 00:33:05,654 --> 00:33:09,520 and verifying that they believe that the footage is real 559 00:33:09,555 --> 00:33:11,177 and they've seen it themselves. 560 00:33:12,489 --> 00:33:17,183 - And is has been called the Alien Autopsy memo. 561 00:33:19,806 --> 00:33:21,843 It is a string of emails 562 00:33:23,292 --> 00:33:27,987 between a chap called Eric Davis and Dr. Kit Green. 563 00:33:29,954 --> 00:33:34,372 On this 11-page document, they are evaluating 564 00:33:34,407 --> 00:33:36,858 a number of things on which they were working on. 565 00:33:38,445 --> 00:33:39,585 But primarily, 566 00:33:40,758 --> 00:33:43,105 it is the Alien Autopsy film they're discussing. 567 00:33:48,525 --> 00:33:52,459 It's addressed to us billionaire Bob Bigelow 568 00:33:52,494 --> 00:33:54,082 who used to run an organization 569 00:33:54,116 --> 00:33:57,913 called the National Institute for Discovery Science, NIDS, 570 00:33:57,948 --> 00:34:01,538 and he employed a number of scientists to study UFOs. 571 00:34:01,572 --> 00:34:05,300 One of those scientists is Dr. Kit Green. 572 00:34:05,334 --> 00:34:07,647 Kit Green formerly worked for the CIA. 573 00:34:09,097 --> 00:34:13,619 This email list is clarifying statements made by Kit Green 574 00:34:15,448 --> 00:34:17,139 concerning the Alien Autopsy film. 575 00:34:17,174 --> 00:34:18,900 It's dated 2001. 576 00:34:20,246 --> 00:34:22,628 Without going into too great a detail, 577 00:34:22,662 --> 00:34:25,389 he came to the conclusion, as did the others 578 00:34:25,423 --> 00:34:29,600 copied in on these emails, that the Alien Autopsy film, 579 00:34:29,635 --> 00:34:32,983 in his opinion, was real, and that he'd seen 580 00:34:33,017 --> 00:34:35,261 exactly the same type of film 581 00:34:35,295 --> 00:34:40,300 at a briefing at the Pentagon back in 1987/'88. 582 00:34:41,474 --> 00:34:43,994 And it's caused quite an uproar yet again 583 00:34:44,028 --> 00:34:46,790 [dramatic music] 584 00:35:01,459 --> 00:35:05,325 When you look at the consensus of UFO researchers 585 00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:09,122 around the world when it comes to these documents, 586 00:35:09,157 --> 00:35:12,885 and it's like, "Oh, no, not the Alien Autopsy again. 587 00:35:12,919 --> 00:35:14,058 "I thought we'd done that. 588 00:35:14,093 --> 00:35:16,095 "I thought we proved it's a fake. 589 00:35:16,129 --> 00:35:17,441 "Let's move on. 590 00:35:17,475 --> 00:35:19,892 "You know, let's forget about it, please." 591 00:35:23,585 --> 00:35:26,726 The leaked documents was sent to me 592 00:35:26,761 --> 00:35:29,971 by three different individuals 593 00:35:30,005 --> 00:35:32,870 the day before they were released online. 594 00:35:32,905 --> 00:35:36,356 I had no idea this was about to happen, but it just did. 595 00:35:46,332 --> 00:35:49,646 It is believed it has come from an archive 596 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,339 of a well-known gentleman who had passed away. 597 00:35:54,374 --> 00:35:55,582 I'll not mention his name 598 00:35:55,617 --> 00:35:57,308 because he's not yet been verified. 599 00:36:00,829 --> 00:36:02,244 But it seems plausible enough. 600 00:36:02,279 --> 00:36:04,419 He was involved in UFO research. 601 00:36:04,453 --> 00:36:06,076 He's an extremely well-known gentlemen 602 00:36:06,110 --> 00:36:07,284 if I mention his name. 603 00:36:08,457 --> 00:36:10,218 - [Man] And there it is, Houston. 604 00:36:10,252 --> 00:36:12,289 - [Alan] Nice job, down there. 605 00:36:12,323 --> 00:36:13,290 - [Edgar] That was beautiful. 606 00:36:13,324 --> 00:36:14,843 - [Alan] Auto. 607 00:36:14,878 --> 00:36:16,120 - [Edgar] We're on the surface. 608 00:36:16,155 --> 00:36:18,536 - [Alan] Okay, we made a good landing. 609 00:36:18,571 --> 00:36:19,986 - [Edgar] Roger, on target. 610 00:36:20,021 --> 00:36:20,918 - [Narrator] Four minutes later, 611 00:36:20,953 --> 00:36:22,230 he was joined by Ed Mitchell. 612 00:36:34,380 --> 00:36:36,106 - There's a number of people who were copied in 613 00:36:36,140 --> 00:36:39,730 on this email, and one of those who was copied in, 614 00:36:39,765 --> 00:36:41,767 I emailed them and asked them 615 00:36:41,801 --> 00:36:45,356 if the documents in question were authentic. 616 00:36:45,391 --> 00:36:49,015 And he said, "Off the record, Philip, yes, they are." 617 00:36:50,845 --> 00:36:53,019 The gentleman I contacted on email 618 00:36:53,054 --> 00:36:55,746 has refused to answer any more questions. 619 00:36:55,781 --> 00:36:59,474 And it would appear to me that both him and his colleagues, 620 00:36:59,508 --> 00:37:03,236 who are mentioned in this document, are embarrassed 621 00:37:03,271 --> 00:37:06,067 because this was an internal set of emails 622 00:37:06,101 --> 00:37:10,174 and was never meant for public consumption. 623 00:37:10,209 --> 00:37:15,214 The only person so far to speak to Kit Green about this 624 00:37:16,077 --> 00:37:19,114 is US researcher, Richard Dolan. 625 00:37:19,149 --> 00:37:22,221 You know, Richard has interviewed him on the telephone, 626 00:37:22,255 --> 00:37:24,154 and I think one of the first things he asked him 627 00:37:24,188 --> 00:37:29,090 was is this email list, is it authentic. 628 00:37:29,124 --> 00:37:30,954 And he said, yes, it is. 629 00:37:30,988 --> 00:37:33,473 Another chap who worked for Robert Bigelow 630 00:37:33,508 --> 00:37:35,648 was a chap called Colin Callaghan. 631 00:37:36,787 --> 00:37:39,859 And he contacted me, and he asked me 632 00:37:39,894 --> 00:37:43,000 to speak with Ray Santilli for him. 633 00:37:44,726 --> 00:37:47,556 What Colin was thinking at the time 634 00:37:47,591 --> 00:37:51,629 was a good quality copy of the Alien Autopsy film, 635 00:37:51,664 --> 00:37:55,254 and of course, some celluloid, 636 00:37:55,288 --> 00:37:58,119 some 16-millimeter film to analyze. 637 00:37:59,258 --> 00:38:01,536 So I did, like I've done many times before, 638 00:38:01,570 --> 00:38:05,091 put him in touch with Santilli and left them to it. 639 00:38:06,990 --> 00:38:09,958 The main gentleman mentioned in these documents 640 00:38:09,993 --> 00:38:12,512 who is commenting on the Alien Autopsy film 641 00:38:12,547 --> 00:38:16,137 is a gentleman called Christopher Kit Green. 642 00:38:16,171 --> 00:38:17,828 Everyone knows him as Kit Green. 643 00:38:17,863 --> 00:38:20,693 He's an MD, he's a PhD, 644 00:38:20,727 --> 00:38:24,559 and still practices medicine even now in the United States. 645 00:38:25,905 --> 00:38:30,530 Dr. Green at one point was employed by the CIA, 646 00:38:30,565 --> 00:38:32,878 worked on a number of projects for them 647 00:38:32,912 --> 00:38:35,225 in a variety of capacities. 648 00:38:35,259 --> 00:38:38,918 So he's, you know, a highly intelligent gentleman 649 00:38:38,953 --> 00:38:41,162 and one that's very well qualified as well. 650 00:38:42,715 --> 00:38:47,375 He claims that the briefing he was given in 1988/'87 651 00:38:48,479 --> 00:38:51,724 was specifically about the alien autopsy. 652 00:38:51,758 --> 00:38:54,175 [soft music] 653 00:39:08,223 --> 00:39:10,777 I think the main reason, when you look at these documents, 654 00:39:10,812 --> 00:39:13,815 as why they would want Kit Green to evaluate 655 00:39:13,850 --> 00:39:17,474 the Alien Autopsy film, there are two reasons. 656 00:39:17,508 --> 00:39:22,513 One is that in 1988/'87, Kit Green himself says 657 00:39:24,826 --> 00:39:28,726 he was taken to the Pentagon and briefed 658 00:39:28,761 --> 00:39:33,766 and shown films that looked exactly the same 659 00:39:34,629 --> 00:39:35,457 as the Alien Autopsy film. 660 00:39:38,012 --> 00:39:40,531 But also, he's an MD. 661 00:39:40,566 --> 00:39:42,292 He's a medical doctor. 662 00:39:42,326 --> 00:39:46,089 So later in these documents, Dr. Kit Green, 663 00:39:46,123 --> 00:39:48,574 looking at the Alien Autopsy film itself, 664 00:39:48,608 --> 00:39:51,957 nothing to do with any briefing he'd had at the Pentagon, 665 00:39:51,991 --> 00:39:54,856 but he gives his own medical opinion 666 00:39:54,891 --> 00:39:56,651 on what he sees on that film, 667 00:39:56,685 --> 00:39:59,309 and he says, "I think it's real. 668 00:39:59,343 --> 00:40:01,035 "It's the genuine article." 669 00:40:08,939 --> 00:40:12,978 - A field of expertise do these people have 670 00:40:13,012 --> 00:40:18,017 dealing with anatomies of alien beings? 671 00:40:20,019 --> 00:40:21,089 I assure you, none. 672 00:40:22,194 --> 00:40:23,091 We were learning. 673 00:40:23,126 --> 00:40:25,231 That was day one at school 674 00:40:25,266 --> 00:40:27,475 when they first cut into the first specimen. 675 00:40:28,821 --> 00:40:33,274 One time, there was a requirement for our OIC 676 00:40:34,171 --> 00:40:36,794 to go to Fort Belvoir, Virginia. 677 00:40:36,829 --> 00:40:38,900 So I went ahead and I was selected as the driver 678 00:40:38,935 --> 00:40:41,489 to take him to Fort Belvoir, Virginia. 679 00:40:41,523 --> 00:40:42,973 After we arrived there, 680 00:40:43,008 --> 00:40:45,942 he went to where the officers were meeting for a briefing. 681 00:40:45,976 --> 00:40:49,359 The drivers went to another location. 682 00:40:49,393 --> 00:40:51,982 There was myself and an airman first class, 683 00:40:52,017 --> 00:40:54,191 and we went inside to the balcony area 684 00:40:54,226 --> 00:40:58,989 which had plexiglass cover where we could look down 685 00:40:59,024 --> 00:41:01,026 to where the officers were. 686 00:41:01,060 --> 00:41:02,303 When we looked down there, 687 00:41:02,337 --> 00:41:04,236 we found that they were watching films. 688 00:41:04,270 --> 00:41:06,445 We were watching, thinking, well, it has to be 689 00:41:06,479 --> 00:41:09,931 some type of science fiction movies that they're watching 690 00:41:09,966 --> 00:41:13,038 where they're splicing together trailers 691 00:41:13,072 --> 00:41:14,763 at the end of a movie. 692 00:41:14,798 --> 00:41:17,870 We couldn't figure out what type of movies they were. 693 00:41:17,904 --> 00:41:19,596 So while we were talking amongst ourselves, 694 00:41:19,630 --> 00:41:22,185 we looked and we had two gentlemen coming in 695 00:41:22,219 --> 00:41:23,980 and told us we were to follow them. 696 00:41:29,054 --> 00:41:31,608 The airman and myself thought we were in trouble 697 00:41:31,642 --> 00:41:33,437 because we'd seen all these officers 698 00:41:34,645 --> 00:41:37,269 being brought together with taxpayers' money, 699 00:41:37,303 --> 00:41:41,825 watching what we perceived to be little clips 700 00:41:41,859 --> 00:41:45,725 from science fiction movies, because I honestly didn't think 701 00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:47,451 that we would ever be in a position 702 00:41:47,486 --> 00:41:51,386 where I could be so easily exposed to something like that. 703 00:41:51,421 --> 00:41:55,632 However, after four days and five nights of that, 704 00:41:55,666 --> 00:41:58,911 I went ahead and finally convinced them 705 00:41:58,945 --> 00:42:02,294 that I wouldn't be discussing this situation. 706 00:42:02,328 --> 00:42:04,020 The interesting thing I found out 707 00:42:04,054 --> 00:42:09,025 when I first saw the films, the films of the dissection, 708 00:42:11,406 --> 00:42:15,790 the word that I use to describe what I saw was haunting, 709 00:42:16,998 --> 00:42:18,689 and it has special significance to me 710 00:42:20,726 --> 00:42:25,110 because I was seeing images of what I saw in 1969. 711 00:42:27,250 --> 00:42:30,011 That brought back specific memories. 712 00:42:31,219 --> 00:42:32,358 What happened to me 713 00:42:32,393 --> 00:42:34,533 is what they call intensified debriefing. 714 00:42:34,567 --> 00:42:35,775 And I can tell you this much. 715 00:42:35,810 --> 00:42:39,193 Intensified debriefing, you'll drill your head 716 00:42:39,227 --> 00:42:41,712 and you'll take sleep over food. 717 00:42:42,851 --> 00:42:44,784 You'll get water, because see, 718 00:42:44,819 --> 00:42:47,201 it's important to have water or you'll die. 719 00:42:49,479 --> 00:42:54,484 They'll provide you with food, but you slept in spurts. 720 00:42:55,657 --> 00:42:58,350 You'd go and lay your head down on the pillow, 721 00:42:58,384 --> 00:43:00,421 you'd go into what they call deep sleep. 722 00:43:01,594 --> 00:43:02,837 That's about three to five minutes, 723 00:43:02,871 --> 00:43:04,425 and you'd be woken up and you'd be taken back, 724 00:43:04,459 --> 00:43:08,670 put under the lamps again for more intensified debriefing. 725 00:43:10,120 --> 00:43:14,366 And what they do, they knew that you were wondering 726 00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:15,815 what was gonna happen to you. 727 00:43:17,127 --> 00:43:18,439 So it had an effect on you. 728 00:43:19,854 --> 00:43:23,202 And that's about the gist of it. 729 00:43:24,479 --> 00:43:25,308 Forgive me. 730 00:43:35,214 --> 00:43:38,804 - Is Kit Green saying that the things he saw 731 00:43:38,838 --> 00:43:43,843 in the 1980s were similar or the same 732 00:43:45,051 --> 00:43:48,917 as the being in the 1995 Santilli film? 733 00:43:48,952 --> 00:43:51,713 He emphasizes it and actually spells it out 734 00:43:51,748 --> 00:43:56,132 in capital letters and says they are the same, 735 00:43:56,166 --> 00:43:58,651 not similar but the same. 736 00:43:58,686 --> 00:44:02,138 And of course, that's simply not possible. 737 00:44:04,174 --> 00:44:06,797 There are those that think that perhaps, 738 00:44:07,867 --> 00:44:10,560 you know, Ray Santilli is not behind 739 00:44:10,594 --> 00:44:13,701 the invention of the Alien Autopsy. 740 00:44:13,735 --> 00:44:15,392 Well, nor is Spyros Melaris. 741 00:44:15,427 --> 00:44:19,224 But instead, for some mysterious reason, it's the CIA. 742 00:44:19,258 --> 00:44:23,573 But there are a number of well-known UFO researchers, 743 00:44:23,607 --> 00:44:27,404 primarily in the United States, who can't believe 744 00:44:27,439 --> 00:44:32,306 that someone of Kit Green's experience and standing 745 00:44:34,377 --> 00:44:37,207 would be fooled by a fake film. 746 00:44:39,382 --> 00:44:41,936 So there must be something more to it, 747 00:44:41,970 --> 00:44:46,561 and they believe that he was indeed shown other films, 748 00:44:46,596 --> 00:44:51,601 fake or real, by the CIA that look either the same 749 00:44:52,464 --> 00:44:55,708 or similar to the Santilli film. 750 00:44:55,743 --> 00:45:00,748 Therefore, the CIA must, in some mysterious way, 751 00:45:01,783 --> 00:45:03,544 be linked to the faking of it. 752 00:45:04,683 --> 00:45:06,857 I can't see any sense in that at all 753 00:45:06,892 --> 00:45:08,445 and don't believe a word of it. 754 00:45:09,481 --> 00:45:12,277 It is alleged that the CIA 755 00:45:12,311 --> 00:45:17,316 have fed false stories about UFOs 756 00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:22,183 into the public domain for a variety of reasons. 757 00:45:22,218 --> 00:45:27,223 We do know for a fact that they did feed fake UFO sightings 758 00:45:28,707 --> 00:45:30,709 into the public domain to cover up 759 00:45:30,743 --> 00:45:33,470 all the flights of their own spy plane. 760 00:45:35,092 --> 00:45:39,027 So they may have other reasons for putting 761 00:45:39,062 --> 00:45:41,927 fake alien stories into the public domain. 762 00:45:44,688 --> 00:45:49,037 If we jump back to Roswell, for example, some people claim 763 00:45:49,072 --> 00:45:54,077 that the alien aspect of it is a fake story to cover up 764 00:45:55,492 --> 00:45:58,668 what really did happen, but this is only speculation. 765 00:46:02,223 --> 00:46:05,019 Here you've got a scientist and a medical doctor 766 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,195 being fed information by the CIA. 767 00:46:10,576 --> 00:46:13,855 Dr. Kit Green, who has now been interviewed by Richard Dolan 768 00:46:13,890 --> 00:46:16,237 has changed his attitude somewhat. 769 00:46:16,272 --> 00:46:19,067 He believes now the film is a fake, 770 00:46:19,102 --> 00:46:23,900 and he says that the CIA lied to him back in the '80s. 771 00:46:23,934 --> 00:46:28,387 However, he does now still say that some of the film 772 00:46:28,422 --> 00:46:32,529 that he saw at the Pentagon, some of the aspects of it 773 00:46:32,564 --> 00:46:35,739 like the creature's face and the hand and the room 774 00:46:35,774 --> 00:46:40,779 was still the same as the Santilli film released in 1995. 775 00:46:42,194 --> 00:46:44,955 Now, whether it's the whole film or bits of it, 776 00:46:44,990 --> 00:46:48,787 they cannot be the same because the film 777 00:46:48,821 --> 00:46:53,032 was only designed and made in 1995. 778 00:46:53,067 --> 00:46:56,173 So nothing in it can be the same 779 00:46:56,208 --> 00:46:58,279 as something seen back in the 1980s. 780 00:46:58,314 --> 00:47:00,143 It is simply not possible. 781 00:47:05,942 --> 00:47:08,738 When Kit Green does his evaluation, 782 00:47:08,772 --> 00:47:13,708 he notices a few small mistakes in the medical procedure, 783 00:47:13,743 --> 00:47:15,779 but then, you know, he has an explanation 784 00:47:15,814 --> 00:47:18,368 of why these mistakes may have been made, 785 00:47:18,403 --> 00:47:21,026 because it was back in 1947. 786 00:47:21,060 --> 00:47:24,270 They didn't do things the same then as they do now. 787 00:47:24,305 --> 00:47:26,549 And so, it was the military, you know, 788 00:47:26,583 --> 00:47:29,275 and there are different ways of doing things. 789 00:47:29,310 --> 00:47:34,246 He speculates that if any tissue samples were taken, 790 00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:37,698 they would go to the Walter Reed institution, 791 00:47:37,732 --> 00:47:42,392 which of course is based at Wright-Patterson Air Force base, 792 00:47:42,427 --> 00:47:44,290 which we have mentioned before 793 00:47:44,325 --> 00:47:46,879 and its links with UFO research, 794 00:47:46,914 --> 00:47:48,778 although he's only speculating. 795 00:47:48,812 --> 00:47:50,745 He doesn't know this for sure. 796 00:47:50,780 --> 00:47:53,230 It's just pure speculation at that point. 797 00:47:55,992 --> 00:47:59,444 When you look at Dr. Kit Green's evaluation 798 00:47:59,478 --> 00:48:02,585 of the the Alien Autopsy film, 799 00:48:02,619 --> 00:48:05,208 it doesn't get anything right. 800 00:48:05,242 --> 00:48:06,416 And you think to yourself, 801 00:48:06,451 --> 00:48:09,281 is he looking at the same film as me? 802 00:48:09,315 --> 00:48:12,836 Because he mentions various medical items in it 803 00:48:12,871 --> 00:48:14,010 which you can't see. 804 00:48:15,183 --> 00:48:17,600 You know, they're just not there. 805 00:48:17,634 --> 00:48:19,567 So it does make you wonder 806 00:48:19,602 --> 00:48:21,569 how he's come to these conclusions. 807 00:48:21,604 --> 00:48:23,364 I've tried to get in touch with Mr. Green 808 00:48:23,399 --> 00:48:24,641 to ask him a few questions. 809 00:48:24,676 --> 00:48:26,609 The first one I would ask is, 810 00:48:26,643 --> 00:48:29,543 how did the man of your reputation and experience 811 00:48:29,577 --> 00:48:31,752 come to be fooled by this fake film? 812 00:48:31,786 --> 00:48:33,616 That would be my first question. 813 00:48:33,650 --> 00:48:37,792 But unfortunately, I've not had that chance yet. 814 00:48:43,073 --> 00:48:44,281 There's a number of things 815 00:48:44,316 --> 00:48:45,559 that are important about the memo. 816 00:48:47,008 --> 00:48:51,461 It shows you how someone with the knowledge and experience 817 00:48:52,911 --> 00:48:57,225 of Dr. Kit Green can be fooled by a piece of film. 818 00:48:58,295 --> 00:49:00,159 He wasn't alone. 819 00:49:00,194 --> 00:49:02,921 At the time when the film was released around the world, 820 00:49:02,955 --> 00:49:06,856 there were a number of physicians who went on the record 821 00:49:06,890 --> 00:49:08,754 saying it looks pretty authentic 822 00:49:08,789 --> 00:49:11,516 as far as the medical procedure is concerned. 823 00:49:11,550 --> 00:49:13,518 However, they wouldn't comment 824 00:49:13,552 --> 00:49:16,486 on what the creature on the slab was. 825 00:49:16,521 --> 00:49:19,075 He's gone that one step further. 826 00:49:19,109 --> 00:49:22,872 So it just shows you the impact that this film had 827 00:49:22,906 --> 00:49:24,390 not just when it was released 828 00:49:24,425 --> 00:49:26,738 but, you know, down the decades, 829 00:49:26,772 --> 00:49:31,605 and it still does continue to have such an impact. 830 00:49:31,639 --> 00:49:34,366 I think the biggest revelation is that 831 00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:35,850 just when you think you've heard 832 00:49:35,885 --> 00:49:39,440 everything there is to hear about the Alien Autopsy film, 833 00:49:39,475 --> 00:49:42,443 and I have a huge archive of material on it, 834 00:49:42,478 --> 00:49:45,515 that something else appears and brings it back 835 00:49:45,550 --> 00:49:47,655 into the public domain again, 836 00:49:47,690 --> 00:49:50,451 and the argument starts from scratch. 837 00:49:50,486 --> 00:49:54,455 It was almost as if the 14 years I spent investigating it 838 00:49:54,490 --> 00:49:58,010 would have been a complete waste of time. [chuckles] 839 00:50:01,980 --> 00:50:06,053 What is amazing is that Ray Santilli 840 00:50:06,087 --> 00:50:08,538 had been quiet for quite a while. 841 00:50:08,573 --> 00:50:11,645 But once this email document leaked, 842 00:50:13,060 --> 00:50:17,374 he was back on social media saying I always knew 843 00:50:17,409 --> 00:50:19,618 that there were documents somewhere that would prove 844 00:50:19,653 --> 00:50:22,552 that what I've been saying was correct all along. 845 00:50:22,587 --> 00:50:24,589 He's even done a couple of interviews 846 00:50:24,623 --> 00:50:27,523 on a couple of podcasts, still saying, 847 00:50:27,557 --> 00:50:29,145 "I told I had real film. 848 00:50:29,179 --> 00:50:30,974 "I told you there was a mysterious cameraman." 849 00:50:31,009 --> 00:50:33,770 Well, you know, these documents don't prove anything, 850 00:50:33,805 --> 00:50:35,910 but he's using it to the best effect. 851 00:50:38,464 --> 00:50:39,949 - [Reporter] The Army Air Forces has announced 852 00:50:39,983 --> 00:50:41,709 that a flying disc has been found 853 00:50:41,744 --> 00:50:44,229 and is now in the possession of the army. 854 00:50:44,263 --> 00:50:47,370 Army officers say the metal found sometime last week 855 00:50:47,404 --> 00:50:49,786 has been inspected at Roswell, New Mexico 856 00:50:49,821 --> 00:50:52,582 and sent to Wright field, Ohio for further inspection. 857 00:50:53,756 --> 00:50:55,861 - It's the one case that will not die. 858 00:50:55,896 --> 00:50:58,519 It is claimed that not only a UFO crashed, 859 00:50:58,554 --> 00:51:01,591 but there were dead alien bodies. 860 00:51:01,626 --> 00:51:04,490 It's rumored that perhaps one of those creatures on board 861 00:51:04,525 --> 00:51:06,458 did survive for a short period of time. 862 00:51:06,492 --> 00:51:08,598 It's the case that will not die. 863 00:51:08,633 --> 00:51:10,566 It is shrouded in mystery. 864 00:51:10,600 --> 00:51:13,983 And even now, all those that were at Roswell 865 00:51:14,017 --> 00:51:17,676 or saw something around the time have all passed away. 866 00:51:17,711 --> 00:51:20,886 However, information still comes to light. 867 00:51:22,336 --> 00:51:25,442 It's lying in somebody's fires, or in a cupboard, 868 00:51:25,477 --> 00:51:27,583 or, you know, in the attic, in a box, you know. 869 00:51:27,617 --> 00:51:28,791 Just when you to think you've heard 870 00:51:28,825 --> 00:51:31,103 everything there is to know about Roswell, 871 00:51:31,138 --> 00:51:33,381 something pops up and bites you on the back side. 872 00:51:33,416 --> 00:51:34,244 It really does. 873 00:51:35,660 --> 00:51:38,110 [soft music]